The Game is Afoot: Follow Your Spirit, and Upon This Charge, Cry “God for Browder, King and Saint George!!”

Uncle Volodya says,"There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community."

Uncle Volodya says,”There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.”

Probably everyone is now aware of an unusual blip on the British legal radar : the visiting of charges of libel upon William Browder – naturalised British citizen who still swings enough weight with American lawmakers that he sweet-talked them into fielding the Magnitsky Act, even though he has renounced his American citizenship – by Major Pavel Karpov, a police officer whom Browder has frequently accused of corruption, graft and various gross misuses of his office.

And Nick Cohen, of The Guardian, (actually, The Observer, but same outfit) wants you to know that just isn’t right. He splutters in red-faced apoplexy from the vantage point of the popular tabloid, “Are Our Lawyers Being Used by the Kremlin Kleptocracy??” Kremlin kleptocracy, that’s good, I love alliteration. Mr. Cohen apparently fired off that punchy headline without putting too much thought into it beyond dreaming up something katchy to go with “Kremlin”, because to me it sounds as if he believes British lawyers could – and would – help a criminal pin a bad rap on an innocent man. Is that how Britain’s law courts work, Nicky? That’s certainly not the way they advertise themselves, with such pomp and majesty that you almost sneeze from the wig powder. The way they tell it, British justice is a bulldog that will run the truth to earth no matter how many obstacles are placed in its path, and that justice will be served, by God, wherever it may lead, God save The Kween (like that one, Nick? Maybe you can use it, if a woman is ever elected President of Russia. Kween of the Kremlin, what do you think?) Mr. Cohen’s faith in British justice seems, if you’ll forgive me, a little anemic.

I vastly enjoyed his article, because it is wall-to-wall low-hanging fruit; packed with every Russophobic trope you could reasonably expect. He didn’t manage to get anything in there about diminished life expectancy (although he did insinuate near the end that such might apply to certain among Britain’s lawyers, the man appears to imagine he is invincible) or a catastrophically shrinking population, but perhaps his editor took those out. They are, after all, a little off-topic, although some do seem to find them comforting.

Before we start examining the story to see if it is up to the usual standard of journalists The Guardian hires – apparently motivated by pity – let’s get a feel for what libel is and what we might expect from the exercise of due process. According to the good folks at Oxford Dictionaries, libel is, in law, “a published false statement that is damaging to a person’s reputation; a written defamation“. There, see; I learned something already. I though libel included something defamatory you said. According to this, it appears you have to publish it, although perhaps it might qualify if you said it on television. I’m sure someone who knows more about law than I do will enlighten us. Well, look here; never mind, “A Quick Guide to Libel Laws in England and Wales” informs us that libel can indeed be “…on a TV or radio programme, a website, a blog, a drawing, or even a letter sent from one individual to another.” Both libel and slander are descended from the English laws on defamation, and the same reference informs us 90% of libel cases in Britain, according to solicitors, are won by the claimant, who does not have to prove the defamatory statement harmed him or her (although that might figure in damages); instead, the burden of proof rests with the defendant – Browder – to prove the defamatory statements he made are true. According to Justice Jackson’s 2010 review of costs in civil litigation, number of libel cases won by the defendant? Zero. In fact, bringing of defamation charges in England by foreigners, because of England’s idiosyncratic legal reasoning on the matter, is quite popular: Lance Armstrong, who is to the best of my knowledge not a British citizen, brought a libel case against The Sunday Times through English law firm Schillings, for referencing the doping scandal book “LA Confidentiel”. Curious that they would do that, since the book was only ever published in French. But the truly juicy part of that little legal guide, for me, was this: “Damages awarded in libel cases are capped at £200,000. However costs incurred in a libel trial can be extremely high and the losing party is required to pay the winner’s costs as well as their own. This means that individuals and organizations can face bankruptcy if they take on and lose a libel action“.

This, beyond a doubt, is what has set the cat amongst the pigeons in London, and provoked the bawling defenses of Browder the Fifth Musketeer, fearless crusader for justice. Because speculation is that Karpov’s legal action is being backed by the Russian government. If true, it is a master-stroke that could never have come about if Bill Browder did not have a mouth like a mine shaft. The Russian government can outspend Browder’s puny fortune without even breaking a sweat, and Browder is faced with choice of settling out of court – which would be a tacit admission of guilt for such a wealthy man, or conceivably facing bankruptcy if the trial drags on. But, the really beautiful part? All he has to do is prove that what he said is true. And therein lies the best chance to get the entire stinking Magnitsky mess read into the public record, and poked and prodded and turned over.

All right. Let’s take a look at what Angry Nick wants to tell the world.

Okay; first line. One of the main aims of Russian foreign policy is to stop Bill Browder. What, pray, is the substantiation for that loopy assertion? Is The Guardian on the distribution list for Russian foreign policy memorandums? In fact, Browder was denied entry to Russia on arrival at a Moscow airport in 2005, and spent a considerable period trying to quietly sort it all out with the Russian government, so as not to alarm his investors, rather than trumpeting his righteous outrage to the world. In fact, he spent that time lobbying international heavyweights like former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, Tony Blair and George W. Bush to intervene in his behalf, and persuade Russia to let him back into the country. None of these extremely important individuals was able to do so. Yet on this issue, Browder is very vague; he has no idea why, he claims. “The answer is, we just don’t know. You can take five highly placed, well-connected individuals in Russia, who know everything and everyone, and you’ll get five different emphatic answers about who was responsible for my visa being taken away. It could be that they all got together in a room and said that “Let’s just take Browder’s visa away so he can’t come to Russia any more”, I don’t know”, he says.

I’m puzzled. Why would they do that, Bill? Because at one time, Browder was not only making tons of money in Russia and singing its praises, he was one of the loudest defenders of its President, Vlladimir Putin.

A good example of Browder-then-and-now is his positions on the issue of Russia’s jailed oligarch, Mikhail Khodorkovsky.  Browder then (January 2004, almost 2 years before he was declared persona non grata in Russia) – “…he may have become the poster child for corporate cleanups in the last two years, but his activities in the mid-1990s became synonymous with corporate governance abuse…Perhaps his most infamous deal, and the one that made him fantastically rich, was his acquisition of the oil company Yukos from the state. In a series of transactions with the government, Khodorkovsky successfully took control of a 78 percent stake in Yukos for a $310 million immediate cash payment, plus the promise of investing $200 million in the future. Eight months after he secured control, the same stake was worth $12.6 billion. Currently, it is worth $23.3 billion…If that were his only questionable deal, perhaps one could make the argument that we should look beyond what he had done because he turned Yukos around. Unfortunately, there were too many other questionable deals to ignore his behavior.” Browder now – “They take out Khodorkovsky and how many oligarchs want to politically challenge the President? They kick Bill Browder out of the country and how many people want to start complaining about corruption and shareholder rights in Russian companies?” In his own mind, at least, Browder with his alleged $120 Million fortune was on an influential par with Khodorkovsky, multibillionaire, and once Browder was gone from Russia, the fight against corruption withered on the vine. “Khodorkovsky – he got involved in politics, that’s why it happened to him.” Oops; I kind of thought from what you said earlier that it was because he was a compulsive criminal. “What I misread was the arrest of Mikhail Khodorkovsky. I thought that this was part of Putin’s “dictatorship of the law” and this was all part of the national interest. Before that I had had business conflicts with Khodorkovsky in the late 1990s, so I had an emotional reaction to the arrest of someone I had been struggling with. It’s only after his arrest that it has become obvious that the Khodorkovsky trial wasn’t about justice at all. It was pure expropriation and complete persecution of someone who was a threat to the administration and its surroundings.”

Isn’t it possible you’re just “having an emotional reaction to someone you’ve been struggling with” now, too, Bill? Because this is kind of the exact opposite of your matter-of-fact dissection of Khodorkovsky’s crimes earlier. Want a refresher? “Khodorkovsky collected an enormous pile of cheap assets from the government and minority shareholders, and then embarked on an impressive charm and lobbying offensive to legitimize himself and his wealth. He has been very successful in getting people to forget his not-so-distant past.” Including yourself, apparently.

Although Mr. Browder claims this is a go-to technique for the Russian authorities – to “[pick] up a pattern of governance of taking the biggest man or woman in any particular field and doing something, which has a profound demonstration effect for everybody else.” You might know where that’s going when he cites Anna Politkovskaya as an example of muzzling the press, by singling out and murdering the most important reporter in Russia. Anna Politkovskaya, who worked for Novaya Gazeta, which has a circulation of about 185,000 copies in a country of 142 million, and was about half that when she was killed. Yes, that had a profound effect. Anyway, he wants you to know that whenever you start to get too successful, Russia kicks you out of the country, to make an example of you. Uhhh…who else has that happened to? Of the big hedge funds and capital management firms in Russia that are foreign-owned, who else got kicked out? Prosperity Capital is still there, and their flagship funds have appreciated 48% and 49% over the last 3 years – the exile of Browder doesn’t seem to have had much of a chilling effect there. Renaissance Capital is still there, and has been longer than Browder, it was founded in 1995, and was his biggest rival. Unsurprisingly, he accused them of colluding with the Russian government to defraud him; he doesn’t seem to have had many friends in Russia. All these firms are still there, and I don’t know of any of them having their CEO booted out of the country. Just Browder.

In fact, Browder complains in several of the references cited that GAZPROM was inefficient and undervalued, and that the potential for huge moneymaking was going unexploited. In his I-know-you’re-corrupt-Daddy-but-I-love-you rhapsody to Putin in 2004, he specifically mentioned “lifting the discriminatory ring-fence on ownership of GAZPROM” as one of the things Putin needed to get on with. Foreigners were prohibited from trading in GAZPROM stock on the RTS, although they could buy it as an ADR (American Depositary Receipt) on the London Exchange. But the difference in quotes was more than 300%. You certainly don’t have to be a stockbroker to see the potential for easy money there. Hermitage formed two shell companies, Saturn Investments and Dalnya Steppe, in the special offshore zone of Kalmykia, with the apparent aim of getting around the ban on trading in GAZPROM stock. If Browder is truly confused as to why he got kicked out of Russia, he probably needn’t look too much further than that.

Something else that nagged at me, from Bowder’s REP appearance at Chatham House, cited earlier, was his contention that the testimony of Olga Yegorova – Chair of the Moscow City Court – that Magnitsky had been detained because he was about to skip the country and had applied for a Visa, is all a lie. The UK Embassy, in a unified statement that no doubt restored Mr. Cohen’s faith in the best of British pluck, denied this, and Browder says contemptuously that before his arrest, Magnitsky’s internal and international passports were taken from him, so that he could not have gone anywhere. However, Browder frequently – including in this same document – says that he advised all Hermitage’s lawyers, including Sergei (who was not actually a Hermitage employee or a lawyer, he was an accountant employed by British firm Firestone Duncan), to leave the country as of June 2008, when Magnitsky testified. Magnitsky allegedly resisted and announced steadfastly that he would stay, because he had done nothing wrong. Well done, old chap. Except he had no passports, according to Browder, and could not have gone anywhere. Oddly, only Magnitsky had his passport confiscated: all the other Hermitage personnel left.  Perhaps they were not Russians. If they were, why did they not also have their passports confiscated? Firestone Duncan also fled, but only Magnitsky did not – ostensibly because he “believed Russia had changed” and foolishly placed his trust in the rule of law, but you could pretty much say anything you wanted about why, because he hadn’t any passport. And then the police left him alone for 4 months, and then fell upon him and arrested him, only to put him in pre-trial detention because they hadn’t even assembled the case against him yet and had not, in point of fact, when he died (because he would have had to be released in 8 days after the date he died) – when they could have arrested him at any time because he had no passport and couldn’t have gone anywhere. That sound right, to you?

Anyway, back to the article we started with, before we get distracted with the whole Magnitsky thing again. According to Nick, the Kremlin gang fears revolution – maybe there will be a democratic uprising! Yes, probably; everyone knows the opposition and its demonstrators have made tremendous gains this year, the Kremlin must be trembling in its bottinki. That the prospects for revolution seem to have gone from what was never really much of a bang to what is decidedly a whimper appear to have escaped him.

So, Karpov is going to do what all dirty crooks do – seek the protection of “outwardly respectable people”, namely members of the British bar. I’m not sure how they should react to that, as it seems those who are defending Browder are fine, upstanding members of the legal community. Presumably there is an underclass of British barristers, which defends only crooks. Yes, we learn, the honesty and cleanness of English law will be as much on trial when this case comes to court as the reputation of Bill Browder. Bill Browder wins, huzzah!!! British justice triumphant, argued brilliantly by as fine lawyers as ever trod the sod of Merrie England!! Browder fails to make his case because he cannot prove that the allegations he made are factual, fie and despair!! British justice revealed for a shoddy sham, the refuge of third-world scoundrels. Overlooked is that a judge will have to make a decision based on what the lawyers present, and that everything must be done in accordance with British law. Which seemed quite adequate, I might point out, until Berezovsky’s recent humiliation, at which point the British judicial system became a bunch of Commies interested only in exonerating criminals, according to several in The Guardian‘s stable.

Cohen offhandedly throws in that Magnitsky was “probably tortured”, because that’s just what Russians do – especially the star witness in the case, over the theft of $230 million, for which Magnitsky might get a maximum of 6 years if convicted. You can’t really blame him, because Browder has often said darkly that the same fate awaits him if he ever sets foot in Russia again, although there was no evidence Magnitsky was tortured and his lawyers never complained he was being tortured although he met regularly with them.

Why should a Russian policeman enjoy the privileges of British law, wonders Cohen. Why, indeed? Probably because the mouthpiece making the libelous allegations is a British citizen, who will not set foot in Russia despite extradition requests. But that raises an interesting point of international law – why should American lawmakers be allowed to add Russians to a blacklist for censure and sanction without a trial that finds them guilty? They were simply given the list of names…by Browder.

Karpov’s lawyer says there is not a shred of evidence against him – although that’s what you’d expect a lawyer to say, I’d regard that with foreboding, if I were somebody who had spent that better part of the last few years throwing around unsubstantiated accusations against him. Not to mention Cohen, who covers that possibility by suggesting ” If it is true that Karpov is an unfairly maligned man, no one will object”, although he has just spent most of an article pre-objecting. Then he’s off again, threatening to observe a permanent pout of non-forgiveness “if it transpires that Karpov has been exploiting the English legal system to protect the Putin kleptocracy”. He plainly likes that non-word. As if a Russian police Major is so clever that he can bedazzle and bewilder some of the Realm’s most experienced libel lawyers (clang, clang, warning, Nick Cohen, warning) into fabricating a winning case. Either Browder and his lawyers can prove the allegations Browder made are true, or he cannot. If he cannot, he might well be liable not only for damages, but for the legal costs of both parties.

It promises to be interesting.

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741 Responses to The Game is Afoot: Follow Your Spirit, and Upon This Charge, Cry “God for Browder, King and Saint George!!”

  1. Robert says:

    Not a fan of Merry England’s libel laws and I actually agree with Comrade Cohen’s calls for libel reform however if Browder is stung and the Magnitsky law loses all credibilty I won’t be shedding any tears.

    • marknesop says:

      Nor will I, especially if he loses and the judgment wipes him out, like it did Berezovsky. Although in general I loathe the courts and their power to completely disinherit ordinary people or order this one to give his entire life’s savings to that one, when it is a villain like either of those two it is sweet indeed. The shriek of agony from The Guardian’s Russophobes will be like chocolate sprinkles to my enjoyment, if that’s the way it turns out.

      I have a deep conviction that all is not as it seems in Browder-Magnitskyland, and even though Russia does have its problems with corruption, it staggers the imagination that the state would press on with its investigations and accusations against Magnitsky if there was nothing there; it would lick its wounds and sulk, and hope for the fuss to die down rather than deliberately keeping it in the forefront of the news. They have something, and it will be interesting to see what it is considering there is no common ground between the state’s case and Browder’s story except the name, Sergei Magnitsky. I would love to see the Magnitsky Law shown up as Browder’s duping U.S. lawmakers, although for their part they were eager for something to replace Jackson-Vanik.

      • Misha says:

        http://www.serendipity.li/hr/trifkovic.htm

        Excerpt -

        L’affaire Tolstoy proved yet again that British libel laws are flawed. The machinery of the British government seemed to tilt the scales of justice, and the state apparently interfered in a private court case. The Human Rights Court at Strasbourg ruled in a unanimous judgment that the failure to permit an appeal was “unfitting for a democratic society” and “constituted a violation of the applicant’s right … to freedom of expression.”
        A recent reminder of the travesty of justice perpetrated under British libel laws concerned two ITN journalists who successfully sued the LM Magazine (see “News & Views,” April 20). Free speech was damaged both times, and — in the absence of the First Amendment equivalent — free speech is not so strong in Britain that it can take such damage. But, as Cambridge historian Michael Stenton points out, for as long as the rich have all the legal advantages, the chance of constitutional reform is poor indeed: “When historical truth becomes intensely politicized it is possible to get trapped on the wrong side of the factual fence by sympathies and first impressions. All we can do, and must do, is promise to climb over the fence if the evidence demands it.”

        • marknesop says:

          I’m afraid I’m not familiar with either case, so I couldn’t say if either or both were travesties, but it would not be hard to get my agreement that a law which specifies the defendant must prove that his allegations against the plaintiff are true is flawed, especially given the reality of exorbitant legal fees. It’s easy for some TV star with a basket of money to sue a commoner and make him or her settle out of court simply because he or she cannot afford to pursue the matter, not because what he or she said was a lie. But the law as it stands is a perfect vehicle for this situation, because Browder has plenty of money – therefore, if he chooses to settle rather than back his claim, it will be widely perceived that he was lying.

          • Misha says:

            In the UK, it appears that a preferred political stance and a comparatively easier access to quality legal counsel is a big plus over valid, not as well funded views, that aren’t so in sync with officialdom

            • marknesop says:

              Such a case would not even be considered in the USA, and while I don’t know the relevant law in the USA, Canadian law says you – as the plaintiff – have to prove the libelous act or speech damaged you personally or professionally and that it is untrue, as well as that the person who said it knew or ought to have known it was untrue (for malicious libel).

              On its face, the English law is fair; it’s mostly the exorbitant cost of lawyers and the possibility of having to pay both legal bills that is skewed. I mean, you shouldn’t spread gossip about people that is untrue, and if you can prove it is true you should have nothing to fear. The loser pays both, so Mr. Moneybags would have to pay for your lawyer. The rub is that you have to engage counsel in the first place, because your winning is not certain, and quite a few people can’t afford that.

              • Misha says:

                The US isn’t without problems for sure.

                On the matter of free expression, the situation there seems better than what’s evident in the UK (libel laws) and Canada (the flat out bogus way that some law abiding citizens from Western countries have been denied entry for what they’ve said).

                On another front, a national self sufficiency is encouraged in Russia:

                http://in.news.yahoo.com/russian-orthodox-church-head-urges-followers-adopt-children-030701812.html

                • Dear Misha,

                  Why do you persist in defending Tolstoy? He comprehensively lost the libel case and lost the subsequent appeal against the substantive judgment. He tried to reopen the case by citing fresh documents but the High Court ruled the new evidence inadmissible because it was wholly irrelevant to the case that had been brought against him. The decision of the European Court of Human Rights only concerned the amount of compensation he was ordered to pay, which was undoubtedly too high. The point made by the European Court of Human Rights about lack of appeal rights being a breach of human rights only concerned the lack of a right of appeal against the size of the compensation award. At that time no appeal was allowed against the size of compensation awards in libel cases because at that time the size of compensation awards was decided by the juries that heard these cases and the judges in the appeal Courts wrongly felt that they could not interfere with them. That is no longer the case today. The substantive judgment that Tolstoy committed libel stands.

                  I would add that not only did the judgment effectively destroy Tolstoy’s reputation as a historian in academic circles but he subsequently damaged such reputation as he had left in the wider community by his persistent display of contempt for the Court’s judgment and his refusal either to admit his mistake or to pay even the much reduced compensation he was ordered to pay to the Claimant until after the Claimant’s death, which frankly looked vindictive. Instead he poured insult upon injury by trying to get perjury proceedings brought against the Claimant, which were rejected both by the Court and by the police.

                  If Tolstoy was an important historian who had broken important new ground I would understand your persistent advocacy on his behalf though I would still think Tolstoy’s behaviour disgraceful and shabby. He is neither of those things and quite frankly I don’t understand why you continue to waste time on him. Your time and energy is far better spent on such subjects as Srebrenica and the Russo Japanese War of 1905 about both of which I happen to agree with you (the Russo Japanese War especially). For my part I don’t see that there is any value in discussing Tolstoy further.

                • Misha says:

                  Hi Alexander,

                  If anything, a more appropriate inquiry concerns your persistence in challenging what I’ve communicated, without specifically addressing the points raised in the linked Trifkovic article. Tolstoy wasn’t originally the subject of a lawsuit. As reported, he took it upon himself to be a defendant in a case that didn’t directly involve himself.

                  As for “reputation”, Tolstoy didn’t do anything like forge a document. Whether you like it or not, Tolstoy received a good deal of respect for the stand he took on another matter besides the issue in question.

                  You’re of course free to further discuss or not discuss this issue.

                • Dear Misha,

                  The reason I have not discussed Trifkovic is because his opinions are totally irrelevant to Tolstoy’s case. Trifkovic may be an outstanding individual (I know little about him) but he was not involved in the Court case, which was tried before a judge and jury with expert evidence heard from academic historians who are intimately familiar with the subject. The judgment was then repeatedly upheld by superior Courts on appeal. It is perverse to prefer the opinion of someone like Trifkovic (or Solzhenitsyn for that matter) to the carefully considered judgment of the Court made after an exhaustive investigation into the facts of the case.

                • Dear Misha,

                  I have just looked up Trifkovic. He appears to be a Serb American academic with markedly conservative right wing nationalist views. I presume he is also a strong anti Communism. In other words his political beliefs seem to have some similarity to Solzhenitsyn’s. I can understand why such a person (like Solzhenitsyn) might be prepared to give a conservative right wing anti Communist like Nicholas Tolstoy the benefit of the doubt but Trifkovic’s books seem to be largely about Yugoslavia and Islam and the subject of Tolstoy’s book appears to fall far well outside his area of expertise.

                • Misha says:

                  “It is perverse to prefer the opinion of someone like Trifkovic (or Solzhenitsyn for that matter) to the carefully considered judgment of the Court made after an exhaustive investigation into the facts of the case.”

                  ***

                  That’s a matter of opinion which rubber stamps a legal proceeding, that some others besides Trifkovic find faulty and for a good reasoning as previously brought up.

                  Considering the slant of Trifkovic as a questionably negative factor, while not doing likewise of his opposites on Tolstoty and some other issues is IMO flawed.

  2. Misha says:

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/01/04/why_2013_looks_a_lot_like_1913?page=0,1

    Excerpt –

    “In 1913, Lenin was living in exile in the mountains of Galicia; Russia was in the middle of an industrial boom, with many believing that the moment of maximum revolutionary danger had passed and that the Tsarist Empire was on its way to becoming the dominant Eurasian power.”

    • marknesop says:

      Somewhat later, up until the end of the reign of Mackenzie King in Canada, the same was said of Canada versus the USA; that its better industrial base and faster-growing population would see it become the dominant Northern-Hemisphere power. History has a way of surprising you, or else those who make such predictions make them on only a very narrow sample of observations.

      • Misha says:

        Things can happen along the way.

        At one time, Argentina was considered to have a potential comprable to the US.

        History is ongoing.

        The book on Russia continues on.

        • wanderer says:

          “At one time, Argentina was considered to have a potential comprable to the US. ”

          No Mike. At one time, Argentina had a high GNP per capita.

          Argentina was never thought to be a major industrial power, like the US was from the 1880s onward.

          The US started a serious battleship construction program in the 1880s.

          Argentina bought her battleships from the Brits, being incapable of building anything of the sort themselves.

          • Misha says:

            No Wandy, you jump the gun again with your one trick pony trolling.

            I said: “At one time, Argentina was considered to have a potential comparable to the US.”

            Not the same as saying: “Argentina was never thought to be a major industrial power, like the US was from the 1880s onward.”

            Grow up.

            • wanderer says:

              “I said: “At one time, Argentina was considered to have a potential comparable to the US.””

              Indeed you did. And you’re wrong.

              The only “potential” Argentina ever had was to export beef and grain. Nobody, ever, thought of Argentina as anything but a food exporter. And when the bottom dropped out of agricultural prices after World War I, Argentina was screwed.

              The US on the other hand, had potential beyond agricultural exports.

              “Grow up.”

              Stop babbling about topics you know nothing of.

              • Misha says:

                The last set of comments aptly applying to yourself, much unlike yours truly.

                Mark noted how at one time, some saw Canada as being (relative to the US) in a more prominent position than what it became.

                The same was said by some of Argentina.

                • wanderer says:

                  Canada produces cars. Canada produced tanks, ships and aircraft in WWII.

                  Argentina exported beef and grain. Not in Canada’s league. Not even close.

                  Again Mike, you need to stick to topics you know something about.

                • Misha says:

                  You aren’t competent enough to know who is and isn’t qualified.

                  Argentina’s potential was expressed quite some time ago.

                • wanderer says:

                  “Argentina’s potential was expressed quite some time ago”

                  By who, Mike? Name them. Substantiate your assertions, for once.

                • Misha says:

                  “For once”?

                  I’ve more than done that inclusive of your acknowledgement in a prior instance.

                  I’m for loose informal discussion up to a point, that doesn’t include situations like your ongoing incessant trolling, which is of a one trick pony manner.

                  With that in mind, I’ll try to make it a point of ignoring your histrionic screeds. Snark might work with a level of knowledge and intelligence behind it – an aspect which you lack, as indicated by your comments and follow-up comments.

                • Misha says:

                  Again, you carry on like a dim witted troll, who covers his/her ignorance with insults.

                  Canada didn’t produce cars before Henry Ford.

                  Feel free to misinterpret your getting the last word in as a “victrory”.

                • wanderer says:

                  “I’ve more than done that inclusive of your acknowledgement in a prior instance. ”

                  You say “some” say things about Argentina, but never say who.

                  I suspect that’s because you don’t know.

                • Misha says:

                  I do recall such circa early part of the 1800s.

                  Thereafter, the predictions weren’t as grand, while neverthless still seeing Argentina in the position that Brazil sees itself in.

                • wanderer says:

                  Again, Mike, who?

                  Apart fro Mike Averko, that is.

                • Misha says:

                  Quibble on troll.

    • wanderer says:

      That “industrial boom” was trivial in magnitude, as subsequent events would show.

      Imperial Russia lost both WWi and the Russo-Japanese War because her industrial economy was incapable of sustaining industrial-age warfare.

      Stalin fixed that.

      • Misha says:

        Stalin used an overly centralized brutality method that was far from perfect as others including D. Lieven have noted.

        There has been a considerable degree of fault ridden leftist propaganda regarding the Russo-Japaenese War and WW I. America’s loss in Southeast Asia didn’t mean that America ceased being a great power.

        In 1904-05, Japan had the initial advantage of surprise, geographical positioning of its forces and world opinion on its side. It was Japan which was suing for a settlement on account that it was running thin on war funds. In turn, Russia used this point in the settlement negotiations. Some have erroneously spun this process as white men not letting an upstart get their true fruits of vistory.

        In WW I, Russia (especially in retrospect) should’ve not launched an early attack on German territory, which comparatively speaking would be somewhat on par with the USSR attempting to launch a noticeable offensive into Germany immediately after the Nazi attack on the USSR. In addition, the WW I German leadership had a better Machiavellian policy in using disgruntled Russian Empire born individuals like Lenin, in contrast to the Nazis idiotically bigoted approach towards Soviet citizens who weren’t happy with Stalin’s regime.

        In short, Russia had a clearly growing economy prior to WW I. The Bolshevik Revolution wasn’t exclusively needed to advance Russia.

        • wanderer says:

          “Stalin used an overly centralized brutality method that was far from perfect as others including D. Lieven have noted.”

          In WWII, every single army the Wehrmacht ran into before Op. Barbarossa either crumbled in weeks or ran for the nearest coastline. And they all inflicted trivial casualties on the Wehrmacht in so doing.

          So you could very well say that every single force that the Wehrmacht faced up to 22 June 1941 was even more “far from perfect” than the Soviet war effort was.

          “America’s loss in Southeast Asia didn’t mean that America ceased being a great power.”

          However, Russia’s economic collapse by February 1917 indicates that Russia was no longer a great power by that time. You see, Mike, the Vietnam war didn’t result in “No Bread” signs in Washington D.C. Nor did the Vietnam War cause the collapse of the US railroad system. Nor did Vietnam economically strangle the US war effort by blockading the best US ports.

          Imperial Russia was hit by all of that and could not stand the blow.

          Soviet Russia was far better prepared.

          “In addition, the WW I German leadership had a better Machiavellian policy in using disgruntled Russian Empire born individuals like Lenin”

          Again, Mike, Imperial Russia’s war effort was collapsing by February 1917. Lenin had nothing at all to do with Russia losing WWI. All Lenin did was get Russia out of a war that was already lost by Nicky II.

          “In short, Russia had a clearly growing economy prior to WW I.”

          I’ve never said different. However, the rate was clearly insufficcient for the demands of industrial-era warfare.

          “The Bolshevik Revolution wasn’t exclusively needed to advance Russia.”

          Something like it was needed to ensure that Russians (and Poles, and Ukrainians) would survive the mid-20th Century, which cannot be taken for granted.

          • Misha says:

            WW I, in particular how Russia chose to fight that war (taking the offensive early on into Germany, much unlike what the USSR did in WW II) paved the way for some devastating results, which could’ve been averted with a different strategy. The devastating results made it possible for the Bolsheviks to successfully find a niche – something they quite likely wouldn’t have achieved with either no WW I, or a different Russian WW I strategy.

            My Vietnam point was made in reply to your Russo-Japanese War reference and not the WW I situation. Russia rebounded following the Russo-Japanese War. It had a noticeably growing economy with signs suggesting that the country was on the verge of a prolonged gradual change.

            Stalin terror wasn’t needed for a successful industrialization in a short period of time. Prior Russian history exhibits the people’s ability to put forth a winning effort when faced with harsh odds. Prior to WW II, the US militarily lagged from what it was to become – only to crank out massive amounts of weapons upon entering that war. This was done without such a brutally centralized system.

            • wanderer says:

              “Prior to WW II, the US militarily lagged from what it was to become – only to crank out massive amounts of weapons upon entering that war. This was done without such a brutally centralized system.”

              That’s because the US had been one of the top two industrial powers in the world since about the 1880s. Imperial Russia was nowhere close to that. Stalin crammed 50-100 years of industrial development into 12.

              And if he had failed to do so, there would now be no Poles in Poland, no Ukrainians in Ukraine, and a good deal fewer Russians in a much smaller Russia.

              • Misha says:

                You keep rehashing the same talking points which don’t successfully refute the fact that Russia’s noticeable economic development was clear before 1917 and that it would’ve likely continued on without a Bolshevik revolution.

                The FP piece I had earlier linked acknowledges this point. Others have as well.

              • kirill says:

                The sniping at Soviet industrialization during the 1930s is indeed simple BS. As you note, it was quite clear by 1917 that Russia was severely under-developed. There is no evidence or reason to expect that somehow between 1918 and 1939 it would have experienced a quantum leap of development and not trudged along at its previous pace. Stalin’s regime did indeed cram 100 years of industrial development into about 14 years and the USSR was much better able to deal with the Nazi invasion. Here we have more sniping and implicit Nazi apologia that Soviet forces were used like Chinese human waves when there is clear evidence that nothing of the sort occurred and that weaponry was developed with the explicit approval of Stalin that was some of the best and most effective of WWII. The historical evidence does not conform to the cold war narrative.

                • Misha says:

                  The “BS” is to the contrary, as evidenced by the non-acknowledgement that an upward swing was already evident.

                  The situation in 1917 was the result of WW I and (especially in retrospect) a badly planned war effort of Russia taking the war to Germany in the very early stages, which in turn caused considerable suffering that paved the way for Lenin, who in 1913 was an insignificant political player, if even fitting that category.

                  BTW, in 1917, the Russian arms situation if anything improved. However, the morale was shattered, inclusive of the pressing socioeconomic conditions as a reslt of WW I and how Russia chose to fight that war.

                  Once again noting how the WW I era Germans did a better job at exploiting anti-Russian government activity when compared to how the Nazis (in overall terms) dealt with anti-Soviet government Soviet citizens.

                  Stalin and his brutal methods weren’t the end all to Russia advancing. That’s sheer sovok crock. Yes, it can be argued that such methods have an advantage in short term pressing conditions. HOWEVER, it’s faulty to claim that it was either that method or nothing. Ditto the before the revolution nothing to next to nothing and after the revolution great progress BS.

                • wanderer says:

                  “BTW, in 1917, the Russian arms situation if anything improved.”

                  BTW, in 1917 the bread situation was catastrophic. When the bakeries of your capital city have no bread, it means you have lost the war.

                  Why do you think Nicky II quit his job? Do you think he would have abdicated if his side wasn’t clearly losing???

                • Misha says:

                  I didn’t say I would definitely not come back.

                  Your emphasis gives credence to what I said.

                  In 1913, there was good reason to think highly of Russia’s future minus Lenin as the previously linked FP article notes.

                  What you bring up relates to my WW I point.

                • wanderer says:

                  “Your emphasis gives credence to what I said.”

                  False. Russia had lost the war by early 1917.

                  “In 1913, there was good reason to think highly of Russia’s future minus Lenin as the previously linked FP article notes.”

                  Until a big war came up, which they do now and then.

                  And when that war came, Imperial Russia’s industrial deficiencies ensured her defeat.

                  And that’s what Stalin fixed.

                • Misha says:

                  No for reasons previously expressed.

  3. Moscow Exile says:

    Sir,

    I should have you know that neither the “Observer” – the world’s oldest published Sunday newspaper, founded 1791 – nor the daily “Guardian” are popular tabloids: they are quality broadsheets, so designed to hide behind whilst commuting in silence to one’s daily task in the City.

    Cohen’s claptrap concerning Kremlin kleptocracy comes as no surprise from that alliterative arsehole.

    Yours etc.

    ME

  4. cartman says:

    I’m not sure if you are interested in this, but – not surprisingly – Washington and Brussels want Greece to privatize its public gas corporation but do not want it to sell to Russia. I guess Greece will have to do what its dictators tell it to.

    http://www.neurope.eu/article/eu-us-oppose-russia-s-depa-bid

    • marknesop says:

      And in a related article on the same page, discussing the prickly atmosphere between Putin and Barosso: “At the moment there is a great level of cynicism over their [Moscow’s] behaviour and it is up to the Russians to provide that level of confidence. The EU is growing increasingly suspicious of finding itself so dependent on sources of supply coming from Russia.” Yes, naturally, it is up to Russia to “provide that level of confidence” by offering up a great deal while relaxing control, because it’s A-OK for a country to be dominant over energy supplies, just as long as it isn’t Russia.

      Tell you what, boys – build yourselves lots and lots of solar panels, and see if that keeps you warm in winter. Everyone is grateful for the fact that Russia has lots of energy to sell – they just would feel a little more comfortable if they could boss them around while they were selling it.

      • kirill says:

        They have their panties in a bunch in the EU since US natural gas prices are 3 times lower than what Gazprom is asking. Of course the fact that the US prices are artificially depressed due to the shale frakking hysteria are not to be considered. Russia has to subsidize the countries that treat it as an enemy and act as its enemies.

        As I have said many times: shop elsewhere if you are not happy. Nobody forces you to buy Russian natural gas. Qatar has lots of LNG to sell.

  5. Moscow Exile says:

    С Рождеством Христовым!

    Off topic, I know, but today is Christmas Day in the Evil Empire.

    Here’s an article from today’s Komsomolskaya Pravda explaining why the Orthodox Christmas takes place after the Catholic one.

    It bugs me that! My wife always goes on about “Catholic” Christmas in the West and I tell her that it is the Protestant one as well – not that I should be all that bothered about this matter, follower of Woden that I am! :-)

    As usual, the main Moscow cathedral, that of Pussy Riot infamy, was packed last night for the Christmas Vigil . According to at least one report, considerably more Muscovites attended the Christmas service in Christ the Saviour Cathedral than went on the last white-ribbonist “March of a Million” – and that’s not including all those that attended other church services throughout Moscow: my local Orthodox church across the road from our house was packed last night as well.

    I suppose those that go to church here are what Latynina, Chirikova and Co. call “bydlo”.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      I should add, however, that those that attended the cathedral service last night were considerably fewer than the number that attended the “last march of millions” if one believes the figures that the “oppositionists” tout, but were far greater in number than the “thousands” that Voice of America claimed attended the rally at Lubyanka Square a few weeks ago.

      • marknesop says:

        After 10 million or so, I lose all sense of reality, the numbers are just too big for me to comprehend. And, when you think about it, these are the same people who consistently claim the Kremlin is manipulating the vote. Would you trust white-ribbon activists who plainly think 1,500 is 45,000, to count the vote?

    • Misha says:

      Somewhat related, some erroneously refer to all non-Ashkenazi Jews as Sephardic. In the US, there’ve been instances (more so in previous decades than at present) where all non-Catholic Christians are categorized as Protestants.

      I recall mention made about how a good number of Russians refer to all Christian non-Orthodox Christians as “Catholic”. I’ve periodically experienced this as well. There’re also some formal instances where “Catholic” is used among Orthodox-Christian institutions to describe Orthodox Christians – I’m referring to Orthodox Christians as opposed to Greek-Catholics AKA Uniates.

      • Jen says:

        @ Misha: I know someone who refers to himself as Sephardic Jewish even though in Israel he would be known as Mizrahi Jewish. Both his parents and their families lived in Iraq before 1948.

        The example you give in the US where Orthodox Christians were lumped with Protestants sounds very similar to what used to happen in Australia back in the mid-20th century when the biggest political, ethnic, cultural and religious divisions were between Irish and English. You had to be either on side or the other, there were no third or subsequent alternatives even though the population was already very polyglot. Hence, on official govt forms, if you weren’t Catholic, you were automatically Protestant.

        The word “Catholic” can mean the original undivided Christian church community, loyal to the original teachings of Jesus Christ, or the universal Christian church. Orthodox Christianity uses the term to demonstrate its historic continuity with the original Christian church before the split between Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism in 1054.

        To add to the confusion, there’s a distinction between the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox churches (they accept that Jesus has two natures: human and divine) on the one hand and on the other the Orthodox churches in Egypt, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Syria, Georgia and Armenia which accept Jesus as having one nature that is both divine and human. It’s a lot of quibbling over something trivial but it was a big thing in the early Christian church 1500 years ago such that loyalties to the Byzantine empire in its eastern parts were stretched (the Byzantines punished religious dissent severely) and probably contributed to their losses to Arab and Turk conquerors.

        • Misha says:

          Hi Jen,

          As you likely know, Sephardic Jews are technically the Jews who were expelled from Spain. Most of them re-settled in other parts of southern Europe, with many ending up in the Balkans.

          A good number of Balkan Sephardic Jews have Italian surnames. After being expelled from Spain and before settling in the Balkans, these Jews spent time in Italy.

          Sephardic Jews settled elsewhere, with the Netherlands as one example. If I’m not mistkaen, David Ricardo and Benjamin Disraeli (Boo!) were of Sephardic background as was Elias Canetti.

          I concur wth your other points.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            One old monk here once came straight out with it and, calling a spade a spade, told my wife I was a heretic. (Little did the dotard know the full truth of his statement, for although his Jesus may forgive him, my Woden certainly won’t! :-) )

            Her conversation with him came about at the christening of our youngest child, Aleksandra in 2009. (By the way, I usually say “baptism” and “to baptize” in English, which at first led my wife to believe that was a Baptist.) The priest that performed the christening suggested that my wife and I marrry again in church, saying that this would make our marital state blessed because in the eyes of the church we weren’t really married: we had wed in 1997 at the “Palace of Marriages No.4″, Moscow, which is the only registry office in the capital were foreigners are allowed to arry Russian citizens.

            So I told her I wasn’t against the idea – any excuse for a party! – and suggested she make the arrangements if she so wished. It was when she went back to the church in order to discusss this matter that the monk said I was a heretic and would have to take instruction in the Orthodox faith and then be christened before I could marry as an Orthodox Christian.

            The priest that christened my little girl was a young 30-something and made no issue over my “heresy” when my wife told him of my nationality, but the monk was a dyed in the wool, hellfire and brimstone reactionary.

            For those unaware of this matter, I should add that there are two categories of priest in the Russian Orthodox Church: the parish priest or “pop”, who is a family man and usually has a football team of children – they marry as soon as they finish seminary – hence the many people that have “Popov” as a family name, and the “black priests”, who take a vow of celibacy and live a monastic life, though they are not “monks” in the Roman Catholic sense as they receive “Holy Orders” and can perform “rites of sacrament”. It is the “black priests” that can move up in the church hierarchy; the married priests are just the footsoldiers of the church, as it were.

            Anyway, I didn’t go through with the conversion thing and I am still unmarried in the eyes of God.

            • marknesop says:

              Popova was my wife’s maiden name. Oops; no, sorry, that was her surname in her first marriage, before ours. Her maiden name was Pipko.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                I used to live in Sergiev -Posad and one day when I happened to be in the The Trinity Lavra of St. Sergius also turned out to be graduation day for the seminarists there. And many of the newly graduated Orthodox priests, young boys, mostly with whispy beards (Orthodox priests neither shave nor have their hair cut), had very devout and extremely modestly dressed, bashful girlfriends in tow, who were soon to become their wives. And I’ve seen many a young Orthodox “pop” with a a huge tribe of children in tow and his wife alongside carrying a bouncing babe in her arms whilst also clearly expecting the next one. As I said, “Popov” – literally “priest’s son” – is an extremely common family name in Russia.

                I must say though, that all the country priests that I have met are extremely pious and hard working: I’ve often seen them building houses and churches all day in between the times when they perform their amazingly long church rites. And their children, in my
                experience, have always been delightful, whilst their wives have always appeared to me unbelievably patient and quiet.

                However, the senior ranks of the clergy – the ones that remain celibate – are usually very well fed if not obese. Some of them tend to wear expensive watches and drive fast cars
                as well.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  In contrast to the mostly fat “black priests”, all the country priests that I’ve seen have been skinny and look famished. My second child was christened when we were living in the country and the “pop” that did the job looked like Abraham Lincoln. (By the way, he was only in his 30s and didn’t seem that bothered about my being a heretic either.) I think these extremely pious country priests with huge families might be into mortification of the flesh or it’s simply a result of their having too many mouths to feed. Same goes for their wives, who always seem to me to be suffering in silence. But it’s what they want.

            • yalensis says:

              So, which kind of priest was Alexei Fyodorovich Karamazov studying to be? I am guessing the “black priest” type, who is all hellfire and supposedly celibate?

              • Moscow Exile says:

                Alexei Fyodorovich Karamazov was a novice in a monastery, so I reckon he was going to be one of those black-priest rascals.

                The secular or “white” priests can administer the sacraments to lay people in churches and they go to seminaries in order to become priests. In the past, they only received a basic education and learnt Old Church Slavonic (which is really Old Bulgarian), in which language the Russian Orthodox liturgy is conducted.

                I’m pretty sure that it is compulsory that the white priests marry as soon as possible after their ordination. As I said earlier, I once saw a huge gang of newly ordained seminarians at Sergei-Posad. They almost all had a girl by their sides, and I mean “girl”: they all looked only just of legal age, whereas the newly ordained “white” priests were about 20 years of age. So I it wouldn’t surprise me in the least that the church has a gang of willing, devout girls lined up and waiting for the new priests long before they have been ordained: match-making is a regular pastime of Russians and something that I underwent almost to the point of exasperation in the five years that I spent unwed in Russia.

                By the way, such devout girls are not an uncommon sight in Russia: I often see them on the metro reading devotional works and praying. They never wear jeans – only ankle length skirts, and always have their heads and arms covered and their blouses buttoned up to the neck. Whenever I see them, I think: “There goes another priest’s wife!”

                As soon as is physically possible after their marriage, the white priests’ offspring begin to appear – often once every 18 months by the look of it. I reckon the girls that marry priests are nearly all priests’ daughters.

                The “black” priests say mass in churches and administer to lay people, but only they are allowed to conduct the liturgy and administer the sacraments in monasteries and convents. And they are celibate and it is only they who can become the big noises in the church. However, if you are a white priest widower, you can become a black priest. And there was one black priest – I forget his name now: St. Something-Or-Other of St. Petersburg – who lived at the end of the 19th century and who was so devout that he took a vow of celibacy after he had married. His wife lived with him right up to his death – but no hanky panky!

                This article concerning the Russian Orthodox clergy may prove to be of some interest.

  6. AK says:

    Out of curiosity, did anyone see my comment to Nick Cohen’s article (before it was deleted by the Guardianistas, that is)?

    • Jen says:

      @ AK: I did, it was a well-reasoned comment, one of the best and certainly the most detailed on that comments thread. Can’t remember all of it though. Did you manage to save it?

      @ Moscow Exile: There were no snide remarks about Miriam Elder, Luke Harding or any other Guardian “writers” and no slurs on minorities or special interest groups. AK even agreed with Cohen more or less on the question of how Karpov can afford to hire the lawyers he has. Maybe the fact that AK wasn’t completely pro-Karpov or anti-Karpov flummoxed the mods so much that they decided if they couldn’t understand where AK was coming from, no-one else should be allowed to understand either.

      Or perhaps the Guardian just doesn’t like AK’s Putinator avatar.

    • marknesop says:

      I’m afraid I didn’t; I never went back to the article except to reference it, and it wasn’t open for comments yet when I first came upon it. But it’s disappointing that they continue with that “Comment is free” inclusionist bullshit when only one viewpoint – that of enthusiastic agreement with the author – is welcome. And that hackneyed snark that anyone who disagrees must be getting slipped a few rubles by the Kremlin is just so tired and sad.

      Can you reconstruct what you said?

      • Dear Anatoly,

        I thought it was an outstanding comment and far and away the best in what was for once a very interesting and good discussion thread. It was unusual in that for once several lawyers contributed to it all of whom took strong issue with the points Cohen was making.

        • Dear Anatoly,

          I am utterly stunned that your entirely reasonable and good comment was deleted from the Guardian. I am not the only one to think this. A contributor to the thread who calls herself Rozina and who identifies herself as a lawyer working in Australia also challenges the decision to delete your comment, which she says was perfectly reasonable. She also complains that one or two other comments by other lawyers have also been deleted.

      • AK says:

        Thank you all Jen and Alexander for confirming that my comment was in fact reasonable and not politically incorrect. Maybe I’d missed out something?

        In brief, I don’t recall saying anything particularly original, I basically combined Alex’s and my own points from the previous threat at this blog. Nothing particularly controversial as one might think.

        I am going to write to the Guardian’s moderation staff to complain. Wonder if I’ll get any response other than crickets LOL.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          But can you not post it on here? Always nice to peruse your arguments.

          • AK says:

            I haven’t saved it, and I can’t be bothered typing it out again.

            I might write something however based on whether/how the Guardian responds to my complaint to their CiF policing squad.

            • Dear Anatoly,

              It’s not just we who think your comment was reasonable. As I said before so did the poster called Rozina whose comment appears last on the thread and who identifies herself as a lawyer working in Sydney.

              • Jen says:

                Dear Alexander: That person was me actually! I actually work in corporate records in a Sydney law firm. Years ago I used to send short stories to competitions which required entrants to use pseudonyms (to avoid judgement bias) and I used the name Rozina D Argentina. For some reason The Guardian only accepts the Rozina part.

              • AK says:

                Thank you all for confirming the comment was okay. As I kind of expected I did not get a response from the Guardian’s moderation team. Just crickets. That said I have better things to do than pursuing it any further.

                They were “right” to do so anyway as my likeliest response would have been to reprint their email on my blog anyway. Perhaps they guessed LOL.

                @Jen,

                I suspected you were Rozina especially when you said you were a lawyer in Sydney. Good to see it confirmed.

                • marknesop says:

                  It’s pretty bad when most independent blogs run by a single individual have more ethics and integrity than online “professional” media. Most blogs would not have deleted your comment in the first place, and if they did and were challenged, would have offered some kind of explanation. Also, I’ve noted that the comments which are deleted are typically those which offer a clear and lucid alternative view substantiated by facts. Those which are riddled with bad spelling and gratuitous rudeness are typically allowed to remain, sometimes with a smug rejoinder from the author to be sure the point is made that the enemy is both stupid and unlettered.

  7. Moscow Exile says:

    Afraid not!

    You”ve got to be damned quick with those Guardian protectors of moral rectitude.

    I started checking up on the Cohen piece every hour or so and mustn’t have been quick enough to catch your comment.

    They are total shits at the Guardian. What house rules could you have possibly broken to warrant the deletion of your comment?

    Did you – heavens forbid! – dare to criticize a Guardian employee such as their erstwhile “Man in Moscow” Harding; did you use an ad hominem attack on Cohen; did you use racist or sexist terminology?

    Or is it simply because you were previously banned into the wilderness by CiF?

    Pray tell! I am all ears.
    :-)

    • Moscow Exile says:

      AK’s comment was deleted at around 11pm Moscow time yesterday. There was a sudden spate of deletions of many comments after the first few had appeared, and then came the accusations that the Kremlin Stooges had been, as usual, quick on the ball and were dutifully earning their hireling money.

      In my experience, this is the usual pattern for any Guardian article concerning Russian politics: those that defend the Russian side with statistics and hard facts get called “sock puppets”; those who later try to be objective or give the benefit of doubt to the Russian side are promptly told to go and live there – an instruction that I have often received in the past off huffing and puffing Guardianistas, who are mostly, in my opinion, “trendy” lefties brought up to hate the USSR in their student “Trotskyist” factions, which hatred has progressed to hatred of the arch tyrant Putin and his government.

      After the early and usual spate of deletions, the comments then settled down into a debate about the perceived rights and wrongs of British libel law. This lengthy legalistic debate (perhaps AM was taking part) was then rudely interrupted by AK’s comment, which, I should think, was immediately zapped by the CiF censor.

      I always imagine a red alert situation being declared at the Guardian whenever an article such as Cohen’s is published, and a batch of alert censors feverishly sit at their monitor screens with their trembling hand hovering over the delete button.

      Comment is free!
      :-)

      • Misha says:

        Foreign Policy.com is another extremely censoring venue.

        They will leave up comparatively more risky comments (in terms of being taken as inaccurate and/or personally insulting) that spin to their preferences.

        They just don’t delete one disapproving comment from a commenter – but all of their comments throughout FP.

        A nice lesson for Russians to follow.

      • marknesop says:

        Provided it’s not Commie Comment.

      • Dear Moscow Exile,

        I totally agree with this. It seems that Comment is Free for some but not others. The deletion of Anatoly’s comment was outrageous and is straightforward censorship.

  8. yalensis says:

    Following the “Shachtman” thread from Mark’s previous blogpost:
    I was trying to find any confirmation that Nick Cohen was actually a member of any of these English Shachtmanite pseudo-leftie grouplets in his youth. I stubbornly insist on calling them “Shachtmanites” instead of “Trotskyites”, out of respect for Trotsky himself who, as I showed in my previous comment, decreed his followers to back the USSR in wartime no matter what; but the proto-Shachtmanites among them just couldn’t bring themselves to do that, after Molotov-Ribbentrop. And these guys have continued on in their Russia-hatin’ ways ever since.
    Anyhow, Cohen’s wiki-biography is fairly sparse, and I can’t find any indication that he did or did not belong to any of these “Peoples Front of Judea” or “Judean Peoples Front” type organizations. All his bio says about his political views is this:


    ViewsHe was an advocate of the 2003 invasion of Iraq,[9][10] and a critic of the Stop the War Coalition.[11] In 2006, he was a leading signatory to the Euston Manifesto,[12] which proposed “a new political alignment”, in which the left opposes terrorism and anti-Americanism. An opponent of what he has termed the “tyrannophile left”,[13] Cohen has criticised such people as Andrew Murray[11] and George Galloway,[14] while expressing his admiration for the opposition movements in countries such as Belarus.[13] Cohen is an atheist.[15]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Cohen

    I am still going to bet 100 rubles that Cohen belonged to a Shachtmanite cadre grouplet in his youth. Why else would he so reverently bring up the name of Shachtman in an article about the Magnitsky case? Hmm?

    • yalensis says:

      P.S. This is a great blogpost, Mark. I could tell you wrote it in a burst of divine inspiration!
      One of the 9 muses (not sure which one handles bloggers) must have visited you…

      http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0881991.html

      • marknesop says:

        It was Guardiana – and thanks. Don’t forget to tell the Kremlin that my cheque was late this month.

        • Dear Yalensis,

          You are absolutely right about how sparse Nick Cohen’s Wikipedia entry is. Someone (possibly Nick Cohen himself) has obviously gone through it thoroughly so that we are left with very little.

          All I can tell you about Nick Cohen is what he writes about himself. He has frequently mentioned that his parents belonged to the left wing Jewish Communist/Socialist tradition and that he grew up in that tradition. I don’t know whether that means they were Trotskyists and whether he was but it would not surprise me. Today his stance can be described as (1) broadly and sometimes extremely Leftist on British domestic politics, about which however he writes ever less often and (2) passionately Atlanticist on international questions. He also writes about Islamic fundamentalism in ways that I find unattractively obsessive. I also dislike his relentless and I think deeply unfair campaigns against people whose views he dislikes such as the politicians George Galloway and Ken Livingstone.

          • Misha says:

            Very much agree on the “unfair campaigns against people” not liked bit.

            A point that appliesw elsewhere.

            Technically, it’s best to stick more o the non-personalized issues of contention. That thought doesn’t leave out how a given body (ICTY or otherwise) can be flawed in a biased way with the presentation of facts and fact based opinions.

  9. yalensis says:

    Okay, this comment is off-topic (sorry), but also continues a thread from previous blogpost. This is the thread about Adagamov, the Oppositionist blogger whose ex-wife (Tatiana) has accused him of being a paedophile.

    Context: Politrash, who has established a solid reputation as a pro-Putin anti-Opp blogger, ran with this story (naturally, because it helps to discredit an Opp), and published supposedly authentic emails back and forth between Adagamov and his ex-wife:

    http://politrash.ru/594/

    Then some skeptics, including AK, questioned the authenticity of the emails (actually, it was never explained whether these are emails or interactive chat sessions), based on some incongruities in the DateTime stamps. For example, in this exchange, Tatiana mentions that the victim is not yet emotionally ready to testify in court:

    On Jun 23, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Татьяна wrote:
    К сожалению, она сейчас пока не в состоянии присутствовать в суде и давать показания.
    Но, возможно позже….
    ["Unfortunately she is not yet in a condition to go to court and give testimony. But maybe later..."]

    Adagamov (under his nik “Drugoi”) responds in horror:

    On Jun 23, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Drugoi wrote:
    Какого суда, Таня, ты что говоришь????
    Вы что, хотите меня посадить в тюрьму?
    Мне кажется, что это страшный сон.

    ["What court, Tanya, what are you saying???? You actually want to put me in prison? This is like a nightmare..."]

    And so on… Skeptics laugh at the time discrepancy, with Adagamaov “replying” to a comment that was made 2 hours into his future. As if he is a time traveler who bops back and forward in time. Even taking into account, skeptics say, that Tatiana lives in Norway, which (in summertime, when these emails allegedly took place) is 2 hours earlier than Moscow, shouldn’t the timestamps be reversed?

    I think these skeptics are overlooking a very simple point: that the timestamps could be explained away if one assumes that the hacker harvested both sides of the chat session from 2 different servers, one in Norway, and one in Moscow; and that the timestamps refer to the time that the chat/email was RECEIVED, not SENT.
    In other words, in the particular example, Tatiana (in Norway) could have sent her post at 9:02 pm, which was received instantaneously at the Moscow server, where it was timestamped 11:02 pm (Moscow time).
    Approximately 33 minutes later (11:35 pm Moscow time) Drugoi checked his email, was horrified at what he saw, and shot off a response. Tanya received this response instantaneously on her server, and it was timestamped 9:35 pm (Norway time).
    And so on… All of the time discrepancies can be explained in this manner, with this theory.
    As to whether or not Adagamov is actually a paedophile, I have no idea, and could care less. I never even heard of the guy until a couple of days ago, when I read the politrash piece. If he is innocent, then he should take a libel case to London. Oh lookie, I just steered it back on topic!

    • marknesop says:

      Wasn’t there a similar conflict over the timestamps of Razvozzhayev’s Facebook postings, when he was supposedly in the clutches of the kidnappers? Different, though, I suppose, since it was he who theoretically made them all.

      • yalensis says:

        Timestamps can be a funny thing. For example, my above comment would indicate that I pecked it out at 3:59 am this morning. At which time, I assure you, I was sound asleep!

  10. May I take this opportunity to wish everybody in Russia and everyone else who celebrates Christmas on this day a Very Happy Christmas!

  11. Dear Mark,

    This is an exceptional post you have written. I am consistently impressed by the way at the speed and accuracy with which you understand legal issues.

    There is a huge amount to say here but for the moment I am going to confine myself to just three points.

    1. The fact that Magnitsky died 8 days before he was due to be released is a classic red herring and a perfect example of how anti Putin conspiracy theories can only work if they have it both ways. Thus on the one hand for the conspiracy theory to work the Russian authorities have to be not just corrupt and evil but also all powerful so that they can throw Magnitsky into prison and torture him there on a trumped up charge. At the same time for the conspiracy also to work the Russian authorities have to suddenly cease being all powerful so that they can no longer keep Magnitsky in prison beyond the 8 days when he is due to be released but have to murder him instead. Needless to say any theory which requires the Russian authorities to be simultaneously all powerful and powerless suffers from serious problems.

    2. I think too much is being made about the issue of whether or not Magnitsky applied for a visa, which to my mind is another red herring. Unless they had a spy in the British Consulate who was keeping them informed of what Magnitsky was doing (which is possible but unlikely) the Russian authorities would have had no means to know whether Magnitsky had applied to the British Consulate for a visa or not. The Russian judge who says that he did is surely going beyond what she can actually know. However Magnitsky worked for a foreign law firm which was employed by a foreign investment fund controlled by a British citizen most of whose senior employees had already fled abroad. It is entirely understandable that the Russian authorities might have been concerned that Magnitsky might follow them and that they took steps such as putting Magnitsky in custody in order to prevent this. Bear in mind that on the assumption that the Russian case against Browder and Hermitage Capital is genuine then Magnitsky was not only a co defendant but also a potentiallly important witness against Browder and Hermitage Capital. The Russian authorities would therefore have had a vital interest in ensuring that Magnitsky remained in Russia.

    3. There is much routine criticism in Britain of the libel laws. In my opinion British libel law is in itself reasonable but the legal process that must be followed in a libel case is not. Libel cases have to be brought to the High Court and are phenominally expensive to bring and defend. This means that because the state provides no legal aid to persons involved in libel cases, except in the very small number of cases where lawyers agree to act on a no win, no fee basis (which only happens where lawyers assess the prospects of succes at over 80%) access to the libel court is simply closed to poor people who are the ones who are far and away the most vulnerable to being libelled. I was faced with scores of such cases when I was a court official. A few that spring to mind include (1) a case of a man on social security who was falsely accused by a tabloid newspaper of engaging in a benefit fraud (2) a proprietor of a small family hotel who had to face a prolonged campaign of vilification by a mentally disturbed neighbour (3) a young woman who was vilified as a deranged psychopath by another tabloid newspaper because she had slept with a footballer and (4) an attractive young Russian woman who was described by another tabloid newspaper as a spy and femme fatale because she refused to go to sleep with the journalist who wrote the article. In each one of these cases I was able to organise help and justice was eventually done but it was massively time consuming and murderously difficult. What needs to happen is that except for a few high profile cases libel cases should be taken out of the jurisdiction of the High Court and an easily accessible and cost free tribunal (like an employment tribunal) should be set up to try them.

    • marknesop says:

      Ha, ha!!! Yes, I have a wonderful capacity for grasping the nuances of complicated things like law once I am steered in the correct direction by a lawyer! Actually, that’s one of my greatest failings – I think I know a lot about a lot of things, until I come up against somebody who really does and is not afraid to let me know. Quite often it’s my wife, and I sulk for a couple of hours because I hate to admit she is right. But that’s just a man thing. You were absolutely correct about libel – as you could expect to be, it’s your profession – but I had no idea there were such significant differences among Commonwealth countries. I learn a great many things that I didn’t know thanks to my assumption that I do know, because then I have to go and look them up and learn them, and the thing that never ceases to surprise me is the depth of my own ignorance except on a very few issues. But it is only when I look back on how pitifully little I knew when I started blogging that I get cocky. Funny how that works.

      But thank you all the same for your kindness. I actually thought the post was a bit directionless or, more accurately, I still wasn’t sure three-quarters of the way through where I wanted to go with it. I didn’t want to re-walk the entire Magnitsky case again, but I kept going down pathways that encouraged just that, because Browder has done such a stupendous job of repackaging himself as an altruistic activist investor who only ever tried to do good, and who now has been wrenched onto the high road of moral rectitude due to the death of a dear friend. Magnitsky was in prison for almost a year, and I daresay there was a good deal his dear friend Bill could have done for him – it beggars the imagination that he couldn’t have bribed the jailers into letting him go on a promise to return for the trial, considering the very worst he was looking at was a six-year stretch for tax evasion: Christ, Pussy Riot was looking down the barrel of a longer sentence than that, before the prosecutors agreed not to ask for the maximum. But there I go again. Suffice it to say that there is no shortage of journalists willing to carry Activist Bill’s water for him, not because they are evil but because they are dupes pre-duped by their smug belief in the palpable wickedness of Putin’s new Soviet Union, and Activist Bill has blinded their better judgment with the scintillating brilliance of his halo.

      Anyway, the caption for Uncle Volodya this time was a tossup, and I almost went with, “The trick of good journalism is to make your readers so wild with rage that they will write half your paper for you”. So true. We’ll see how this story plays out, but at the moment we are looking good for breaking the total for best day ever in terms of page views. It seems to be a subject with legs.

  12. Moscow Exile says:

    Here’s an interesting thing I’ve come across on the Russian web: Karpov filed the suit for libel in London against Browder, Hermitage Capital Management, and Firestone as long ago as 4 May last year.

    Translation
    Let us recap on the persons involved in this story: Browder – founder of Hermitage; Firestone – head of the auditing company “Firestone Duncan” working for Hermitage fund. The auditor Sergei Magnitsky worked for Firestone and in a consultative capacity with Hermitage (perhaps this is why he is called a lawyer, although by training he is an accountant.)
    On the Internet you can find an article, several videos and a lot of interviews in which Browder and Firestone claim that Magnitsky was murdered whilst in a remand prison because he disclosed a corruption scheme organized by police investigators that enabled them, by using companies controlled by the fund, to embezzle 5.4 billion rubles. One of these videos is completely dedicated to Major Karpov. It argues that Karpov took documents and seals seized during a search of “Firestone Duncan” that resulted in the embezzlement of money from Hermitage. In the same Firestone clip, the mismatch of Karpov’s income and expenditures is revealed, his possession of elite housing and three expensive cars, totalling more than $ 1 million dollars.
    According to the information base of a London court, on 4th May this year Pavel Karpov sued Firestone, seeking compensation for damages caused by the Firestone assertion and protection from the further spreading of defamatory information made by Firestone.
    Pavel Karpov himself has simply confirmed the existence of such a claim, but has flatly refused to make any comment, citing a promise given by him to his lawyers.

    “It’s going to be a difficult affair, so I gave my word that I will not talk to the media”, Karpov said by phone. Karpov’s London lawyer, however, proved to be more sociable.

    “While we cannot disclose any details, but we shall be dealing regularly with this matter” an employee of the Olswang legal firm [HQ London, but offices around the world - ME] told Moskovsky Komsomolets. “We can only make a general statement now: Mr. Karpov filed suit in London against Browder, Hermitage Capital Management, and Firestone, in which he intends to prove that the information campaign waged against him is completely false. Karpov can prove that he was not involved in the arrest and death of Sergei Magnitsky, and was also not involved in the Hermitage machinations involving $230 million. It will also be shown that this is not what Magnitsky claimed. Karpov will present irrefutable documentary evidence that all of his assets were collected over a long period of time and only by legal means, and that they appeared long before this Hermitage scam and Magnitsky’s death.”

    There is a more talkative and helpful source close to the investigator. He explained that in May Karpov sued Firestone, and after a few weeks – Browder. The purpose of these lawsuits is to “refute both of these gentlemen’s claim that Karpov was involved in the theft of 230 million, in Magnitsky’s murder, in the kidnapping businessman Fyodor Mikheev, as stated in an article in the media, as well as the extortion from Mikheev of 20 million rubles”.

    As explained by our source as regards the last part (extortion): “on this occasion the prosecutor’s office conducted its audit and the case was closed for lack of criminal action”. This source has also explained that Pavel Karpov is not major, but a lieutenant colonel in the Ministry of the Interior, and that he does not intend to continue serving in that office.

    “He has already written the appropriate declaration. What is involved as regards his leaving, I just cannot say”, said the source.

    “Is this a resignation or a transfer to another department?”

    “I cannot answer that question.”

    Our source was unable to answer the question about where Karpov’s money to go to court in London comes from. (According to some experts, this process can cost several hundred thousand pounds).
    However, it is possible that the colonel is acting with the support of a certain number of persons from the “Magnitsky list” (perhaps all of them). Recall the position of the Ministry of the Interior Investigation Committee, on which Karpov still serves: it has nothing to do with the law enforcement agencies involved with Magnitsky’s death, nor had it anything to do with Magnitsky – a major con artist who worked for Browder and Firestone and served the interests of Browder.
    The decision to take up the same action [that Karpov has taken] was also taken at the same time by another civil servant who was to appear on “the list”. (At the time this document was in its infancy and had still not been acted upon.) In a private conversation with a reporter, he spoke of the intent of certain circles to “go to court”, but lamented that up to then there had not been enough evidence.
    Apparently, there is sufficient evidence now and it is in circulation at Karpov’s court in London, whose action, it seems, will not be so much as to clear his name, but to determine how matters stand in this whole situation.

    End of translation

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Here’s something about the legal firm Oswang that will be batting for Karpov- Colonel Karpov, that is.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          And here’s the founder of Olswang, courtesy of that Guardian rag, which firm, it turns out, made its name as media, technology and telecoms and not libel specialists, though on its site it is described as a general law firm.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            The other half of the Olswang partnership, Simon Olswang, “one of Britain’s preeminent entertainment and media lawyers” whose firm “has developed into a leading and widely respected practice serving the media, communications and related industries”.

            Could it be that the focus of attack from Karpov’s counsel will be directed at Browder and Firestone’s videos that have swamped the virtual highway, in particular at the one that is dedicated solely to Karpov and his alleged nefarious deeds?

            • Dear Moscow Exile,

              Thank you for this utterly fascinating and very useful information. One has to separate the wheat from the chaff but there is a great deal of useful information here.

              Firstly, this is the first article in the Russian press that I know of which refers to this Court case. None of the English language Russian news sources I can access (Novosti, RT, Itar Tass, Interfax, Voice of Russia etc) have referred to it. I suspect that few people in Russia understand the case’s possible implications or its potential importance.

              Secondly, it is clear that more than one claim has been issued. Apparently Karpov has brought separate claims against Firestone Duncan, Browder and Hermitage. I suspect that it was the Firestone Duncan case that was issued in the High Court on 4th May 2012. It is important to understand that there is a difference between issue of a case and service of the claim form setting out the case on the Defendant. Often there is an interval of several months and it may be that it was only some weeks ago that Firestone Duncan were served and became aware of the case. At some point however a decision was also made to issue separate proceedings against Browder and Hermitage. Probably that was intended from the start, but it is possible that those cases have also been brought because Firestone Duncan has itself applied to join Browder and Hermitage Capital to the case, which it might do if it expects to lose and wants Browder and Hermitage Capital to pay a proportion of the compensation and the costs. I should say that though the claims against Firestone Duncan and the one against Browder and Hermitage Capital are separate cases, the two cases will undoubtedly be combined (or “consolidated”) and will be tried together.

              Thirdly, it is clear that the case is not just about Magnitsky’s death but about the entirety of the allegations against Karpov including the claim that he was in some way involved in a fraud using companies stolen from Hermitage. This is entirely excellent since it means that we now finally have some prospect of finding out the truth about this tangled affair.

              Fourthly and lastly, it seems that some of the other people who have been involved in this case and who have been named by Browder as Karpov’s co participants in the alleged fraud may also at some point join the case. It looks as if Karpov is being used as point man in what may become a class action.

              What I think we can discount is the possibility that the money for the case has been put up by a group of the people involved. Karpov is still as of now a serving officer of the MVD and it beggars belief that he has taken the decision to bring a case like this in a foreign court (especially one in London) without an order or permission from his superiors. 4th May 2012 is shortly after the Presidential election and just before Putin’s inauguration. My guess is that though legal advice was sought about the case several months before (probably in the autumn or late summer of 2011) the final decision was made once the political uncertainty caused by the Presidential election was out of the way and the authorities in Moscow (including Kolokoltsev, the new Interior Minister) were able to turn their attention to other matters. Indeed the timing strongly suggests that the decision was either taken by Putin himself as part of the decisions he had to make following his re election as President or that he was personally consulted about it.

              Lastly, I would just say that Olswang is widely considered to be one of the top law firms in this area of the law. Its private clients include many individuals in the entertainment industry (the pop music world especially) who often have cause to go to the libel courts. It is therefore exceptionally experienced in dealing with this sort of case. If I had been asked to suggest a firm to undertake a case like this Olswang would have been one of the firms I would have suggested.

              • marknesop says:

                That this has been brewing for some time seems borne out by Eugene Ivanov’s response to your comment on his blog – he seemed surprised that this is generating such a stir now, as if it were old news. I don’t remember hearing about it at the time, but in any case there has obviously been some development which has thrust it to the forefront, because it is certainly generating attention now. Could it be that Karpov had not as of the spring engaged counsel, and the bringing aboard of such potent legal hired guns is creating the sensation? Perhaps Browder and The Choir considered savage kleptomonkey Karpov to be merely muttering vague threats, and that he was not to be taken seriously; that he would never be able to muster any support in the bosom of Empire.

                It does seem to be the identities and affiliations of Karpov’s lawyers which caused Mr. Cohen to soil himself with excitement and choler. I’d guess their being linked to Karpov is recent, and that it is in fact this harbinger of his serious intent – moreover, the very real possibility that he will win, expensively – which has sent a frisson of dread through Team Bill.

  13. Robert says:

    Setting up cost free libel tribunals is exactly what Nick Cohen wants to happen. Cohen is like the little girl in the nursery rhyme when he’s good he’s very very good and when he’s bad he’s horrid. Keep him off foreign policy and he’s constructive.

    • Misha says:

      Not completely familiar with all of the British chattering class of overly promoted punditry.

      I take it that N. Cohen is somewhat of an improvement over Oliver Kamm.

      • Dear Robert,

        The proposal to set up cost free tribunals to try libel cases has been talked about for years. The reason it hasn’t happened is because of an unholy alliance opposing it by sections of the legal profession and the news media. Obviously those lawyers who do well out of the present system have no desire to see it reformed whilst the news media has no interest in making libel claims easier to bring since that would limit its “freedom” to trash people’s reputations in the way I described. My one big criticism of Leveson is precisely that he did not propose any reform of the way libel cases are tried. Whilst that would not check all the malpractices Leveson identifies it would certainly deal with some of them and do so moreover in a much more effective way than any system of regulation (even one backed by statute) ever would.

  14. Misha says:

    Franklin Lamb on Assad’s most recent address:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/07/assad-at-the-opera/

    Another view from a Turkish journo:

    http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-303374-moscow-backed-iranian-plan-announced-in-damascus.html

    It’ll be interesting to see what Syria will be like in two years, relative to what has been said.

    ——————–

    Critical commentary, concerning the direction of US foreign policy:

    http://nationalinterest.org/article/leading-blindly-across-minefield-7877

    http://nationalinterest.org/article/spenglers-ominous-prophecy-7878

    • Dear Misha,

      Viz Syria you might find this article by a very well known Saudi funded Lebanese journalist in Al Arabiya interesting by comparison if only for its convoluted language and twisted logic which even I struggled to follow. Anyway it seems it’s all an intricate Russian plot and Brahimi (!) and the Americans (!!) are Russia’s stooges (!!!).

      http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2013/01/04/258569.html

      • Misha says:

        Hi Alexander,

        I’m reminded of this characterization:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Arabiyya

        Excerpts –

        “The channel has been criticized for having a “pro-Saudi agenda”,[7] and it was once banned in Iraq by the US-installed Governing Council for “incitement to murder” for broadcasting audio tapes of Saddam Hussein.[6]”

        &

        “Al Arabiya was created to be a direct competitor of the Qatar-based Al Jazeera.[6] As a response to Al-Jazeera’s criticism of the Saudi royal family throughout the 1990s, members of the Saudi royal family established Al Arabiya in Dubai in 2002.[9] According to a 2008 New York Times profile of Al Arabiya director Abdul Rahman Al Rashed, the channel works ‘to cure Arab television of its penchant for radical politics and violence,’ with Al Jazeera as its main target.”

        ****

        At last glance, that station employs Hisham Melhem, who (along with Fouad Ajami) is a favorite neocon-neolib go to Arab source.

        Regarding Melhem:

        http://www.eurasiareview.com/20112012-marketing-putin-and-russia-to-a-foreign-audience-analysis/

        Excerpt -

        On the subjects of religion, Putin and Russia, Al Arabiya’s Hisham Melhem expressed some neoconservative leaning views at an event hosted by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), which aired on C-SPAN. His comments underscore what is and is not typically preferred at Capitol Hill foreign policy establishment wonk fests – a point that relates to the matters of Putin and Russia.
        Melhem highlighted how the Youssef associated anti-Muslim film is linked to sparking a violent anti-American backlash in the Middle East. He proceeds to contrast that manner to Catholics not going on an anti-Muslim terror spree after the 1981 assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II by Turkish national Mehmet Ali Agca. This comparison has clear differences. Agca was portrayed as someone with clandestine ties to the pro-Soviet Bulgarian government. Hence, the target of outrage on his assassination attempt as not directed so much towards Islam. (With a considerable degree of reasonable doubt, the claim of a Soviet-Bulgarian plot to kill Pope John Paul II has not been firmly established. Over the course of time, Agca has been characterized as a somewhat murky figure. Agca and his infamous act has a cautiously stated degree of similarity with Lee Harvey Oswald and his assassination of President John Kennedy. Upon an extended overview, Oswald’s politically leftwing views and time spent in the Soviet Union did not lead to implicating the Soviet government in the assassination of Kennedy.)

        Melhem made a broad comment on the United States serving as a better role model for the Middle East than Russia under Putin. On the one hand, America can reasonably claim a more advanced level of democratic development than Russia. At the same time, how practical is it to expect a quick leap from the political makeup of a lengthy period of dictatorship to an effective multiparty system of democracy in a short period? Russia’s current status is part of an ongoing and imperfect process, that has so far not reached the level of some doom and gloom analysis since the Soviet breakup.

        Melhem’s AEI sponsored appearance props the idea of a tolerant West which others have not matched. The Russian government involved Valdai Discussion Club offers some critical views of the Kremlin. When it comes to political diversity, does the AEI and some other leading American think tanks show as great or greater a tolerance? In Russia, there is a noticeable non-violent public opposition to the jailed Pussy Riot activists and the Western based pro-Pussy Riot slanting, mixed in with some limited support going the other way for the imprisoned duo. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev recently said he believed they served enough time, while also saying that Pussy Riot are an unsavory lot.

    • marknesop says:

      What a load of twaddle. The Turkish editorial continues to speak of a new administration taking over in Syria and “introducing reforms”, just as if it were a preformed parliament of studious intellectuals waiting to assume power rather than a fragile alliance of handpicked western toadies and vicious sectarian hoodlums. The “reforms” introduced would quite likely be a return to sharia law, a cleansing of the Alawites and a return to the fundamentalism of the Muslim Brotherhood. This sort of stupid fairytale pretending should not be fooling anyone.

      • Misha says:

        Turkish polls indicate apprehension with the Turkish government position on Syria. This is the same government which wasn’t so gung ho in directly intervening against Khadafy and his forces.

        if I correctly recall, that Turkish op-ed piece, negatively speaks (in a suggestive tone) of Israel rooting for a broken up and weakened Syria. Assad simply stepping down arguably serves that purpose. As for Israel, some are mixed on the situation in Syria. The Assad name is known for doing things pragmatically, in the way that a replcement to his government might not follow.

  15. yalensis says:

    Here is the latest news on the Navalny KirovLes case:

    V’acheslav Opalev (who was the Director of KirovLes collective) today received his sentence of 4 years (conditional/probation) after pleading guilty to embezzling 16 million rubles worth of lumber. This relatively mild sentence was due to Opalev’s turning state’s evidence and spilling the beans on his 2 co-conspirators, Petr Ofitserov and Alexei Navalny.
    Legal experts conclude that Opalev’s guilty plea will add an extra layer of prejudice to Mr. Navalny’s case and virtually ensure his conviction. Since Opalev broke first in this game of “Prisoner’s Dilemma”, Navalny will no doubt be convicted and is looking at doing serious time.

    http://izvestia.ru/news/542183

  16. yalensis says:

    And here is another Navalny piece, which actually connects to Magnitsky in 3 degrees of separation:

    http://izvestia.ru/news/541695

    Summary: Izvestiya claims that Navalny’s Cyprus offshore company Alortag Management Limited (AML) is an affiliate of the firm owned by Vladlen Stepanov, one of the members of the “Magnitsky List”.
    This relates to the Investigative Committee (IC) investigation of Aleksei Navalny and his brother Oleg, who are accused of laundering money. IC claims that the Navalny brothers created a dummy company called “Glavpodpiska” which was paid 55 million rubles to perform fictitious services between 2008 and 2011, but in reality the (postal) services were actually performed by a different company, run by one of Navalny’s friends. Glavpodpiska is supposedly owned 99% by the Cyprus offshore Alortag.
    Alortag was founded in 2007 by another company called Koureon which, in turn was founded by British citizen Michael Shein Smith. In turn, Koureon is fully owned by Arivust Holdings, whose director is Vladlen Stepanov, a member of the Magnitsky List.

    “By an irony of fate, the main person who exposed the name of Vladlen Stepanov was Navalny himself — the crusade against him (Stepanov) was conducted on Navalny’s blog in 2011. Vladlen Stepanov is the ex-husband of … Olga Stepanova. According to Hermitage Capital. Magnitsky was investigating the theft of 5.4 billion rubles from the budget of Stepanova and her entourage. Navalny, along with others, published on his blog the video prepared by Hermitage about the tax evaders and their allies, among whom was Stepanov. He (Stepanov) took Navalny to court and demanded one million rubles in damages…”

    Lots more… no time to read it all… big tangled web…

  17. Moscow Exile says:

    A typical piece of snidey BBC anti-Russian bias in today’s BBC World Service that appears in a story about the failure of Gerard Depardieu (Boo! Hiss!) to appear in court in Paris on a drink-driving charge. At the end of the drink-drive story, the BBC goes off on a tangent and states:

    “The actor has developed close ties with Russia and during his visit at the weekend hugged President Vladimir Putin, who described him as a friend.

    Russia has offered him a flat tax rate of 13% if he stays in the country for more than half the year. On his trip to Russia he travelled to the central region of Mordovia, which has invited him to make his home there”.

    All well and good, one might say – but then here comes the sly dig:

    “Mordovia is best known for its Stalin-era gulag prison camps”.

    Now I’m not a gambling man, but I’m willing to bet that if I walked throughout the UK asking people at random where Mordovia is, I should be answered by blank stares. And for those few who do know where Mordovia is, if I asked them what they primarily associate Mordovia with, I’m pretty sure most would say “wine”.

    The BBC, however, advises its readers that “Mordovia is best known for its Stalin-era gulag prison camps”.

    • Jen says:

      Dear ME: Did you see that the Daily Torygraph located Mordovia somewhere in Siberia and then said the area is 438 miles south-east of Moscow?
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9785341/Gerard-Depardieu-offered-post-of-culture-minister-in-Siberia.html

      • Moscow Exile says:

        No, I haven’t, because the Telegraph no longer allows me free entrance as I am an expatriate living in voluntary exile in Mother Russia.

        There’s been some confusion over all of this Mordova matter at the Telegraph, the BBC and also, I think, at the Guardian.

        Mordovia IS situated some 438 miles SE of Moscow and IS in Western Siberia. Depardieu landed at the Mordovian capital Saransk after leaving Sochi, where he had been granted Russian citizenship. Saransk was, therefore, the first city in which Depardieu arrived at as a Russian citizen, and the mayor of Saransk invited him to become resident there.

        The “gulag connection” is that one of the Pussy Riot women is in open prison (“colony” in Russian) there. There are no “gulags” in Russia these days.

        Moldova, on the other hand, is a wine growing region and not part of the Russian Federation and is west situated betweeen the former Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic and Romania. In Soviet times Moldova was the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic, a member republic of the USSR; before that it was part of the Russian Empire or Ottoman Empire, regularly fought over and largely known as Bessarabia. They speak a Romance language there (sounds like Italian to anglophones). There is also a break away territory of Moldova that wants to be part of the Russian Federation.

        Because Depardieu owns a vineyard and likes to down a litre or two of vino, most have automatically, and quite understandably I should think, confused Moldova with Mordova and think that old Gerard might be thinking of setting up shop in Moldova because they think that he has been invited to live there. Furthermore, if you ask most people where Mordova is, they most likely have no idea or they think it’s Moldova, and that’s because they’ve more than likely seen the name on bottles of cheap Moldovian plonk.

        In my experience, nobody but nobody associates Mordova with gulags – because most folk have never heard of the place or they think it’s Moldova, the former
        Moldavia!

        • Moscow Exile says:

          And there you are! I wrote Mordovia above instead of Mordova!

        • yalensis says:

          The toponym “Mordovia” is the Latinized version of the original Elvish “Mordor”, which is cognate with the English word “Murder”. Fact.

          • marknesop says:

            OK, you’re just making that up!! There is no language called “Elvish”. Just because for a few months people were getting cosmetic surgery to make their ears pointy does not mean elves are real, and they do not have a language recognized by humans. Tolkein made up the word “Mordor”; it could have just as easily been “Dishwasher”. You software engineers are always trying to pull a fast one.

            http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ear-pointing-surgery-elf-ears-mr-spock/story?id=13317198

            • yalensis says:

              Harumph! I take umbrage at your insinuation that I make up etymologies.

              Umbrage, from the Latin “Umbrians”, a race of people encountered by Aeneas and the surviving Trojans after their escape to Italy. The Umbrians were famous for being quite thin-skinned and easy to insult. For example, when Aeneas complimented an Umbrian, “It looks like you’ve lost weight,” the Umbrian retorted resentfully: “Are you implying that I used to be fat??” Aeneas responded, desperately trying to please, “Your hair looks nice too. Did you get a haircut?” To which the Umbrian responded, “Are you saying my hair used to be too long?” At which point Trojans and Umbrians simply had at it and went to war. Historical fact.

              • marknesop says:

                Were either of them elves? Oh, wait – I remember the Trojans; they came down the Umbrians’ chimney in a big wooden horse, right? That’s what eventually did for the Umbrians: rather than conquest in war, their spacious chimneys simply allowed too much heat to escape, and they died of exposure.

                • Jen says:

                  The Umbrians were a very shady lot anyway and proud of it, too proud in fact. That’s why they were always defending their honour lest it be exposed to the cold light of day.

                  Umbrians, from L. umbraticum, neut. of umbraticus “of or pertaining to shade,” from umbra “shade, shadow,” from PIE root *andho- “blind, dark” (cf. Skt. andha-, Avestan anda- “blind, dark”).

                • marknesop says:

                  Hence also “umber” in color, meaning to add a dark tint, and ombre, past participle of “shade” in French.

        • Jen says:

          Dear ME: Funny, most maps I’ve seen locate Mordovia away from Siberia (“technically” beginning on the eastern side of the Urals) with Mari El republic and Bashkortostan between the two. Mordvinia is an alternative name for Mordovia.

          BTW Wikipedia advises that Mordovia is not to be confused with Moldova, Moldavia or Moravia (part of Czech republic).

          • Moscow Exile says:

            You’re right! My mistake. It’s not in Western Siberia at all: its eastern border is with the Urals, beyond which is situated Western Siberia. Mordovia is on the East European plain. I reckon the Telegraph associated the place with Siberia because one of the PR women has been sent to a penal establishment that Western journalists like to label as a “gulag”, an open prison camp or “colony”, there; gulags are in Siberia; therefore Mordovia is in Siberia.

    • Misha says:

      The BBC has tremendous resources to do really good objective media work. as is true with other major media venues, they periodically fall short. On the anti-Russian tag vis-à-vis the BBC, this one immediately comes to mind:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18409776

      Excerpts –

      Russia occupied Poland for more than a century and dominated it during the Cold War, after World War II.

      * Late 1770s – Poland is partitioned, Russia begins over 130 years of occupation
      * 19th Century – Russia crushes Polish uprisings
      * Conflict with Russia continues after 1917 Bolshevik Revolution
      * 1939 – USSR and Nazi Germany secretly agree on new partition of Poland
      * 1940 – Soviet police kill some 22,000 Polish officers and other elite prisoners at Katyn
      * USSR turns Poland into a communist satellite state after World War II
      * 1980s – Solidarity union in Poland plays a key role in defeating communism
      * 2010 – Polish President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others die in Polish plane crash near Katyn, in Russia; Moscow’s sympathy leads to warmer relations

      ****

      The above timeline is credited to BBCRussian.com.

      To his credit, the British ESPN sportscaster of the Euro 2012 Russia-Poland football (soccer) match was more objective, when he briefly noted that the two countries have histories of attacking each other.

      The above BBC piece omits:

      - the earlier Polish subjugation of Russia prior to the late 1770s
      - the close to 100,000 Poles who joined Napoleon in his attack on Russia in 1812
      - the tens of thousands of Russian POWs who died under extremely inhospitable conditions in Polish captivity, during the Soviet-Polish War
      - Poland joining Nazi Germany and Hungary in the carve up of Czechoslovak territory before Molotov-Ribberntrop.

      Related article:

      http://www.russiablog.org/2009/10/russian-polish-history-averko.php

    • marknesop says:

      Yes, if a normal upstanding British actor – say, Leslie Grantham – had hugged Putin, his jacket would have started to smoke from the proximity to Satan’s imp.

      The Beeb in this respect is somewhat formulaic – if Russia is mentioned, there shall be a comment present which reasserts British moral superiority and, if possible, the wry amusement that has made us so famous among our American friends. I should imagine Depardieu is quite chuffed with all the press he’s been getting of late; after all, there’s no such thing as bad attention.

    • AK says:

      Actually seeing that for most Anglophone BBC readers this would be the first time they’d ever heard of Mordovia the “best known for its Stalin-era gulag prison camps” is actually a self-fulfilling prophecy. :)

      • The BBC didn’t just say that Mordovia is best known for its Gulags. It also said that the prison system is the biggest employer. Ioffe in her latest piece comes close to saying the same thing. What evidence is there for that?

        • Jen says:

          Dear Alex: They’re not just “gulag prison camps” but they’re “Stalin-era” ones too. Must be Scandinavian-styled open-air museums employing people to act out the roles of prison guards and prisoners for school students and tourist groups.

          The BBC and Daily Torygraph claims had me a bit curious about incarceration rates in Russia and the US so I Googled a bit and found the astounding figures of 629 prisoners per 100,000 and 756 prisoners per 100,000 for the two countries respectively at this link:
          http://edutube.org/interactive/prison-population-capita

          In some parts of rural America now, the high-security prison is the largest employer and many communities now actually compete to host prisons if for no other reason that they need jobs:
          http://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/prisons_as_rural_growth.shtml

          Case of pot calling the kettle black in Julia Ioffe’s case.

          • Dear Jen,

            Thanks for this. The scale of the US prison population is astonishing. The scale of the Russian prison population is still far too high but my impression is it’s falling. Incidentally I think I am right in say that an absolute majority of prisoners in the US prison system are blacks and people from ethnic minority groups; One wonders what proportion of them are in prison. At least Russian prisons don’t function on what essentially are racial lines.

            For the rest I doubt that Depardieu will ever be forgiven for his Russian passport or Mordovia will ever be forgiven for hosting him

          • Misha says:

            The Warden Nortons out there are creative when it comes to finding ways to make money for themselves:

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/

  18. Moscow Exile says:

    When I was resident in Germany, I lived in the German Federal State of Rheinland-Westphalia. Rheinland-Westphalia is best known for its Hitler-era Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.

  19. Moscow Exile says:

    “Sydney suffers power outages as temperature hits 41C, with 100 residents still missing in Tasmania and national parks evacuated” reports today’s Guardian.

    I wonder what Latynina thinks of that?

    A couple of years back when Russia suffered a similar long hot summer with temperatures in the 40s, and as forest fires raged, lives were lost and property was destroyed, Latynina wrote in her usual scathing style that such things only happen in third-world countries. She also, of course, laid the whole blame on Putin’s inept mismanagement of the ship of state because he’s a crook.

    So welcome to the third-world, Australia!

    • Jen says:

      Yeah, it’s all Putin’s fault that it’s so hot down here. The Guardian had better post a story about how Putin’s mismanagement of Russia has caused Australia to experience record degree temperatures and driven us all to wearing sack cloth, heaping ashes on our heads and walking barefoot.

      • kirill says:

        If Putin had listened to Illarionov and not signed the Kyoto Accord then we would have had a never ending stream of such articles. Russia would have been blamed for the failure of global action on climate change. Not India, China, USA, Canada and Australia and assorted other fossil fuel crack addicts.

      • AK says:

        That’s right. During the forest fires that killed 50 people (the fires themselves, not the heatwave) which democratic journalists were spinning for all it was worth I brought up the Australian comparison where 173 people died. This predictably enough brought about the usual “whataboutism” rhetoric along with a particularly entertaining outburst by Miriam Elder’s mom.

        That said, incidentally, until recently one of my close friends had a job in Australia, near Darwin. I was planning to visit but not anymore as he has since left because China is now buying a lot fewer of the products his company made… Anyway, he wan’t very impressed by Australia, said the UK and US were both a lot more modern. The Internet there is apparently especially slow and unreliable; bureaucracy is inept; etc. This puts a question over all those quality of life surveys that put Australia in 2nd or 5th position; he said it’s sooner in 20th or 30th place. Obviously not having been there myself I cannot yet have a firm opinion one way or the other.

        • Jen says:

          AK: Australia is fine if you’re an outdoorsy type who likes sport, sport and more sport esp if it’s football, cricket, swimming or tennis. If you aren’t then you had better live in Melbourne, then Sydney and maybe Brisbane, and stick close to the downtown / business district (within a 10 mile radius) if you want culture. All big Australian cities are very flat, suburbs spread out for miles and the further you travel to the edges, you find the less choice and quality you get in shops and malls.

          I have only been to Melbourne, Canberra and Tasmania so I guess I can’t really comment on Darwin where your friend stayed but that’s not a big town by Australian standards. The climate there is tropical. Places in northern Australia are often stereotyped as backward, racist and full of ignorant pot-bellied beer-swillers who drawl really slowly in nasal Ocker accents and have interests like betting on two flies crawling up a wall or watching cockroach races. Exaggerated and cartoony of course but then stereotypes arise for a reason. Alcoholism is a major problem esp among Aboriginal people. What I hear happens is that some Aboriginal communities, fed up with all the drinking, declare themselves “dry” and kick out the drinkers who then drift into towns and make nuisances of themselves there.

          The Internet here is very slow, our politicians couldn’t agree on having a fibre-optic network linking the whole country or sticking with a copper wire network and add-ons. The quality of local news media is poor: here, Rupert Murdoch dominates almost totally with Fairfax Media a very distant second. The Sydney Morning Herald, the Melbourne Age (both Fairfax Media owned) and The Australian (Murdoch owned) constitute the only decent “quality” papers and all three frequently reprint British news articles (The Guardian is their favourite).

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Dear Jen,

            No mention of rugby? I mean real rugby: rugby league?

            My old town in England is (or was when I last lived there) full of Aussies and Islanders and Kiwis during the antipodes close season. They’d play seasons back to back, northern hemisphere and southern. My old town RL club was world club champion team runners up against Eastern Suburbs in 1976 and champions in 2001 and 2007, both times against Brisbane Broncos. A good number of my old rugby playing pals settled in Australia after retiring. They were always asking me to come and join them. As I explained in another thread, I can’t now. In any case, the wife wouldn’t let me. :-)

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Dear Jen,

            My nephew up in Brunei tells me the IT gear there is antique as well – all copper wires. I regularly have a little chinwag with him on iFace and the picture regularly goes and comes back again.

            Couple of pals of mine went off to Darwin in the early ’70s on a contract to help rebuild the city after an earthquake there – or was it a hurricane? Can’t remember now. Anyway, they were carpenters.

            Never saw them again. Reckon the crocs must have eaten them.

            • Jen says:

              Dear ME: “Football” in Australia includes rugby (league and union), Australian rules and soccer. Irish football and girdiron get much less media attention but there are local clubs here. In Sydney, when people talk footy, they mean league. The State of Origin matches between New South Wales and Queensland are still big here in Sydney. There’ve been a lot of club amalgamations but South Sydney club (the Rabbitohs) still survives with help from Russell Crowe. Eastern Suburbs (the Roosters) and Manly (Sea Eagles) doing very well too.

              Yes, Darwin had the big cyclone on Christmas Day in 1974. The entire city had to be rebuilt.

              • yalensis says:

                Dear Jen: Your famous Russell Crowe has a lot of explaining to do. Did you see his lackluster performance in “Les Miz” movie? He almost ruined the whole film. I can’t believe they let him sing. His voice is not bad, but it is thin. The Javert songs are written as showstoppers, preferably to be sung by a baritone with gigantic pipes!

                • Jen says:

                  @ Yalensis: Haven’t seen the film but I heard all actors in it were hired on the condition that they had to sing live. Crowe has sung and played guitar in two bands; he’s recorded albums and done tours with the bands as well so he’s had the experience. From what you say, it sounds as if the music soundtrack hasn’t been dubbed over with the actors singing the songs again in the studio, post-production, and parts of the new studio soundtrack pasted over the bits in the live recording that didn’t work out.

                  Crowe’s next films are “Man of Steel”, playing Superman’s dad Jor-El, and “Noah”, playing the titular character who collects animals in pairs and keeps them all in a floating zoo. (Strange that he wasn’t considered for the role of flood-maker. That would have given him a swollen head.)

                • yalensis says:

                  Jen: I don’t know whether the film was studio re-dubbed or not. Possibly it was. The problem was not Russell’s voice per se or the sound quality, which is not bad. It’s just that his voice is not powerful enough for the role of Javert. This is an opera, after all, and one expects big operatic voices. In the stage version, whenever the baritone Javert belts out his show-stopper, “I swear by the stars!” (where he swears that he will catch that no-goodnik Jean Valjean and put him back behind bars where he belongs), the audience usually goes nuts with “Bravos!” and a standing ove.
                  In the film version, Crowe barely squeaks out his song, and the audience is, like, “meh…”
                  Aside from that, the film is not bad. They do a decent job with the barricade scene, for starters. And it’s fun to watch bourgeois audiences cheering for red-flag-waving communist revolutionaries.
                  Of course, nothing in the world can ever do justice to Hugo’s great novel. But at the least making Jean Valjean’s story mass-accessible should hopefully result in more people reading the actual book! (Which I personally regard as the greatest novel ever written in the history of the unvierse…)

  20. yalensis says:

    More on the Adagamov alleged “paedophile” case: Hell, one of the best hackers in the world, has emerged from his seclusion to support his friend Politrash and refute the Navalnyites’ claim that the emails between Adagamov and Tatiana are crude fakes. Here is Hell’s take on the supposed “amateurish forgery” of the timelines. His explanation of the time differences turns out to similar to my own theory (in my above comment). Which proves that great minds think alike. (Except I am more fair-minded than Hell, because I use words like “alleged” paedophile.) Anyhow:


    Дело в том, что время в письмах Татьяны — это то время, которое видел педофил содогамов на своем макбуке, когда получал ее письма, если проще — это время по Москве именно, и это время проштамповалось в ответных письма содогамова Татьяне, которые она от него получала. Татьяна, получив ответ содогамова, видит над своим процитированым письмом строчку, в которой идет речь о времени отправления ее письма:

    TRANSLATION: The timestamp in Tatiana’s letters is the time that the paedophile Sodogamov [Hell's abusive epithet for Adagamov] saw on his MacBook, as he was receiving her letters; more to the point it is Moscow time, and this is the time that stamped into his replies to Tatiana, which she then received from him….

    http://torquemada.bloground.ru/?p=14598

    Speaking as a software developer myself, who deals with DateTime stamps quite a lot, this theory explains everything about the DateTime stamps, and should put to rest those particular concerns about the authenticity of the emails. People can defend Adagamov’s innocence and argue other points, but not this particular one, it’s a done deal.

  21. Misha says:

    Washington Post view that the desire to see Assad soon step down is in trouble:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/assad-and-the-us-are-blind-to-reality-in-syria/2013/01/07/0afadf2e-5905-11e2-9fa9-5fbdc9530eb9_story.html

    There’s a roundabout suggestion calling for a greater arming of the anti-Syrian government opposition.

    ————————

    Lengthy commentary on Ukraine’s predicament vis-à-vis the European Union and Customs Union, involving Russia and some other former Soviet republics:

    http://www.dw.de/at-a-crossroads-between-moscow-and-the-eu/a-16503310?maca=en-rss-en-eu-2092-rdf

    Towards the end of this piece, Anders Aslund suggests that the current Ukrainian president is vulnerable to losing authority because of pressing economic issues.

    Several years back in a Johnson’s Russia List promoted piece, Aslund apparently thought it was wise enough to openly back a people power movement to oust the “Putin regime”.

    Another piece on the subject of the EU and Customs Union:

    http://www.rferl.org/content/customs-union-present-russias-neighbours-with-stark-choice/24818232.html

    ————————

    Two different views of Russia’s current economic situation:

    http://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/dmitry-travin/whatever-happened-to-russia’s-economic-miracle

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/01/07/why-russias-economy-isnt-going-to-collapse/

    Concerning a point raised in the above openDemocracy link, Russia has enough of a consumer driven society and democratic trappings which likely makes Russian officialdom wary of an overbearingly unrealistic guns over butter economy – a thought pertaining to the Soviet Union’s shortcomings.

    That said, post-Soviet Russia is capable of upgrading its armed forces in a budget conscious way.

    Russian defense news:

    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20130108/178646802.html

    http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2013/01/07/Russia-takes-delivery-of-fighters-bombers/UPI-27511357584827/

    ————————

    This news item has been spun by some as a soft attempt at censorship:

    http://rt.com/politics/moscow-demonstration-special-parks-484/

    The claim being that it decreases the opposition stature by keeping their gatherings in designated areas which aren’t so high profile. New York City authorities have cracked down on minority activist protests on the premise that they’ve interrupted traffic in busy rush hour areas.

    ————————

    Tatarstan in the news:

    http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsbusiness.php?id=920217

    http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsgeneral.php?id=920213

    http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsgeneral.php?id=920225

    From the same news source, there’s a noticeable difference in how Tatarstan is characterized. The earliest posted piece suggests the Russian republic in question is an independent state. The latter gives a more accurate portrayal.

    • Dear Misha,

      If you read the Washington Post article carefully, it’s quite obvious that it is criticising the Obama administration for not acting more aggressively to overthrow Assad. The Washington Post has had a neocon agenda for quite a while now.

      On the articles, the one on the Ukraine is interesting. I suspect it is correct when it says that one reason why the Ukraine has not joined the Customs Union is because it is opposed by east Ukrainian oligarchs. The true reason for that is not that they think that their goods are more competitive in the EU but (1) that they are afraid of being pushed to the margins by much bigger Russian industrial groups and (2) that they want to gain access to the EU’s structural funds.

      Of the two articles about the Russian economy Mark Adomanis’s is obviously the better one. One of the strengths of his column is that he writes consistently well on economic and demographic issues. I am (much) more optimistic about the Russian economy and its prospects than he is but the I don’t have to get my articles approved by the editorial board at Forbes.

      • Misha says:

        Hi Alexander,

        He doesn’t always stick to subjects that he’s well versed on while having a bit of a coddled brat attitude. So much for the hypocrites out there, who selectively denounce and/or lecture some others on manners.

        Agree on The WP editorial and the Ukrainian situation.

  22. Misha says:

    A partisan Carnegie piece:

    http://carnegieendowment.org/2012/12/17/ukrainians-are-fighting-wrong-enemy/euje

    Excerpt –

    “There are many reasons to worry that Ukraine may indeed be moving eastward.”

  23. AK says:

    This article by our mutual friend Julia Ioffe is literally the most hilarious thing I’ve read in the past month. It takes the butthurt over Depardieu to a whole new levels.

    I claim first dibs on this one. :)

    • marknesop says:

      Oh, my God. Now Putin the judo pro is “petite and frail-looking”? I’m stuck wondering whether Julia is unaware that “petite” is the feminine adjective – where it would be “petit” for a man – or whether it is merely another brick in the wall she is building of Putin the sickly homo. I suppose he is frail-looking alongside Depardieu, who is roughly the size of a Chriscraft cruiser. The rest of it, oh, it’s so juicy and tempting, but you did find it first. Can’t wait to read it.

      In all of it, while the gesture of manly affection from Depardieu has become The Hug Felt Round The World, nobody has pointed out that it was apparently spontaneous, and if Dedpardieu had done that to Obama he would have been borne to the ground under a Brooks Brothers tide of gabardine and earpieces as Obama’s security detail fell upon him like a dropped Steinway. If somebody in the crowd had yelled “gun!!!” in that situation, Depardieu would have been Depard-adieu. Apparently the President of the Russian Federation fears assassination in his own country less than some of his western counterparts.

      Still, I imagine quite a few malicious pairs of eyes in the west watched that hug, and wished Depardieu had about 20 pounds of Semtex in his capacious jacket (it looks like the spinnaker for a sailboat, with sleeves) and they had the remote detonator.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      So Ioffe reckons that 99.9% of Russians live lives of degradation and and abject poverty in a despotic state or at least lives not on a par with those enjoyed by those whom Depardieu met? Another statistic pulled straight out of her arse – just like Latynina does in fact.

      • marknesop says:

        Although Latynina does indeed pull figures straight from her bum, I would have said she was odd-harpy-out in the triumvirate of Miriam Elder, Julia Ioffe and Masha Gessen; all Jewesses whose parents fled the Soviet Union, and all of whom see it as their life’s mission to spit upon what remains for them the heart of the Soviet Union ruled over by the reincarnation of Stalin, until such time as it capitulates and destroys itself in a welter of free-market flopping. Double, double; toil and trouble, fire burn and cauldron bubble. Julia is actually at the top of her form when she is describing the unholy confluence of dissipated sugar-daddies and slutty young women, because it allows her to slander both Russian women for their perceived absence of inhibition, and their misogynistic alcohol-pickled partners for their lecherous japes without, apparently, the slightest apprehensions of responsibility.

        • AK says:

          It is indeed a noted pattern:

          One thing that really stands out is that it is female Jews who dislike Russia more than anything, at least among Western journalists. As this post has already pushed well beyond all respectable limits of political correctness, I might as well go the full nine yards and outline my theory of why that is the case. In my view, the reasons are ultimately psycho-sexual. Male Jews nowadays have it good in Russia, with many Slavic girls attracted to their wealth, intelligence and impeccable charm (if not their looks). But the position of Jewesses is the inverse. They find it hard to compete with those same Slavic chicks who tend to be both hotter and much more feminine than them; nor, like Jewish guys, can they compensate with intelligence, since it is considered far less important for women. This state of affairs leads to sexual frustration and permanent singledom (pump and dump affairs don’t count of course), which in turn gives rise to the angry radical feminism and lesbianism that oozes out of this piece by Anna Nemtsova bemoaning Russia’s “useless bachelors”. Such attitudes further increase male aversion to them, thus reinforcing their vicious cycle of singledom. And the resulting frustration indelibly seeps into their work…

          Mark Ames (of the eXile) incidentally noticed the same thing.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Thanks AK! That was the very comment that was ringing bells at the back of my mind when I was reading Ioffe’s venom about her Russian “sisters”. It was Ames’ words, not Mark’s, that had lodged themselves into the canyons of my mind.

            I think the following must have been another Ames’ comment that I recall as well: he wrote that he had noticed that US girls visiting Moscow seethed with jealousy as they noticed their boyfriends eyeing up the “dyevs” (as I’ve heard US citizens call the girls here), whilst it had become painfully obvious to the US girls that they raised little interest amongst the Russian boys.

            I well remember when I lived as a student in Voronezh more than a quarter of a century ago how my Russian boozing buddies used to always comment on this matter. I had started a very long relatinship with a local girl there – was accepted as part of the family even – and after I had returned to Voronezh in 1992 to live with her, my Russian pals there always congratulated me on my catch and at the same time used to comment on the unattractiveness of Western women and how I was a wise man in choosing a Russian girl as a partner.

            Another thing I think Ames once commented upon was that whilst he believed that the slightly oriental shape that most Russian girls have to their eyes is very attractive to Westerners (doe eyed?), he though that the similar eye feature in Russian men is perceived as menacing by Western girls.

            Well, I blame Genghis Khan and pals for all of this!

            A thing I noticed prettty quickly about Russian women was that they use their eyes far more than Western women do in body talk: I reckon it’s one of these eastern things that have melded themselves into Russian custom: in fact, up to in quite modern times “respectable” unmarried Russian girls were loathe to show their faces to strangers. And in winter of course, girls protect their complexions here by wrapping their faces to just below their eyes, so they let vtheir eyes do the talking! And that’s when I first noticed it one very cold winter’s day a Russian girl “giving me the eye”.

            This eye flashing as practised by Russian women probably seems very coquettish to Westerners. I should imagine, though, that Ioffe would label it as “sluttish”.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              Sorry! It was your comment that had at first rung bells: Ames’ comment was the one concerning the slightly Asiatic features of many Russian men and women that he reckoned scares the pants of Western women and raises the interest of many Western men.

            • AK says:

              That was my comment actually. ;)

              Apart from making similar points (and earlier than me) Ames did note the Oriental features too. I actually disagree with him here though. A composite average of Russian women’s faces was shown to have no Asiatic traces, the same was true for men. This should not be much of a surprise as Russians are genetically identical to Poles who are now considered to be as “European” as they come.

              While the occasional Russian girl does have a “slightly” or even significantly “oriental shape” to her eye that’s hardly unique to Russia though. Proof. (she’s an Icelandic singer/celebrity). Indeed as you go to colder European countries you will generally see more eyes with epicanthic folds though the overall percentage of people with them remains very low. It has been hypothesized that they developed as a mechanism against snow glare during the last Ice Age.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                Well I reckon my missus is most definitely a descendant of Ghengis Khan! :-)

                • yalensis says:

                  I have “slanted eyes” too, or maybe you would call them “hooded eyes”, almost no eyelids. (I don’t like ‘em, I prefer big round eyes.) My father (pure ethnic Russian, from Moscow region, as far as I know) also had slanted eyes, “asiatic” features, and was often mistaken for a Mongolian or Yakut.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  @Yalensis

                  When I was a little kid I used to get skitted at school because I had “Chinese” eyebrows – whatever that’s supposed to mean. And in my rugby playing days, my fellow prop forward, Jethro by name, was always called “Sumo” because… well, he looked like a Sumo! I sometimes used to wonder how he could receive the ball, his eyes always seemingly appearing almost closed. He was as English as they come as well. And this bloke was German, born in Cologne, former mayor of that city and former Chancellor of Germany, Konrad Adenauer.

                  He always looked like one of Emperor Hirohito’s generals to me.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                Absolutely correct in so far as the latest genetic research goes:

                “The extensive analysis of the Russian pool of paternal lineages presented here establishes the following general features: (1) insignificance of the oriental gene flow, highlighted by the lack of typical East and Central Asian haplogroups…”

                Source:

                The American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 82, Issue 1, 10 January 2008, Pages 236-250, “Two Sources of the Russian Patrilineal Heritage in Their Eurasian Context”.

                Many Ukrainian and Polish nationalists, however, believe the aphorism that is sometimes attributed to Napoleon Buonaparte: Scratch a Russian and you’ll find a Tatar!

                The myth of the Asian, Mongol-Tatar Bolshevik hordes was not only held true by diehard
                Nazis.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Again, above in reply to AK.

                • Misha says:

                  “Many Ukrainian and Polish nationalists, however, believe the aphorism that is sometimes attributed to Napoleon Buonaparte: Scratch a Russian and you’ll find a Tatar!”

                  *****

                  Have heard this from a number of Russians. To be exact, the influence in question extended beyond west of Russia, coupled with centuries of inter-action.

                  Awhile back, a Polish friend noted a good number of Poles having Tatar features.

                  The “Russian” typically has blood relations with one or more different ethnic backgrounds – among them being Armenian, Georgian, Baltic, Jewish, German and Turkic.

                  In a loaded informal off beat moment relating to a thought in the above quoted, someone answered that a Ukrainian is a confused and Polonized Russian.

            • yalensis says:

              Polish girls do this too. My Polish friend at work is a master of the rolling eyes and flashing eyes. She can speak volumes, all without saying a word, especially at a time (like in group meetings) when speaking can be dangerous! But I can always tell exactly what she is thinking, just by watching her eyes. I think this must be a Slavic, or maybe European thing. People also talk about Italian women and their “flashing eyes”, but I don’t know any Italian women. Unfortunately…

              • Dear Yalensis,

                Italian women most certainly do flash their eyes.

                By the way I once heard that the reason Slavs flash their eyes so much is because they get swaddled up in clothes as babies and have to use their eyes to look around them because they can’t turn their heads. Absolute rubbish of course.

                • marknesop says:

                  It certainly is, but it is true that swaddling is still a popular technique among Russian moms, to keep the baby quiet and help her/him to go to sleep when it’s nap time or night because they can’t move around, and perhaps it also gives them a secure feeling of being held. I didn’t like it for our daughter and went along with it under sufferance, deferring to my wife’s judgment, but it seemed to work very well and I have no doubt she was taught by her mother.

                  But you’re right that learning the art of the alluring glance begins at swaddling is nonsense – if for no other reason, because we don’t remember much of anything before we’re about 3. Children are only swaddled before they learn to walk.

                • yalensis says:

                  Ha ha! If Italian babies were swaddled, they would grow up mute, not having been able to use their little hands. (’cause, see, Italians use a lot of hand gestures when they speak…. oh never mind!)

                • marknesop says:

                  The French, as well.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Further to Ames’ article on why it would be much more fun and satisfing for morally superior Westerners to focus their ire on Brazil, rather than Russia, further support might be lent to his argument by this report from today’s RT.

            Compare this Brazilian policy with that of the USSR at the time of the Moscow Olympics in 1980: all Moscow prostitutes were rounded up from the city centre and most especially from the sporting venues and shipped off out of town until the games had ended.

            What a po-faced, moralistic, miserable bunch of fanatic oppressors those godless commies were!
            :-)

        • yalensis says:

          Lots of people have noticed Ioffe’s misogyny and contempt for Russian women. Normally this would be interpreted as an unattractive woman’s envy for the attractive; but in Ioffe’s case she is physically attractive herself, so it doesn’t make sense. Only other theory that makes sense is the Freudian one: that Ioffe has MOMMY issues, she subconsciously detests her own mother, perhaps she views her own mother as a self-disresepcting slut who sold herself into marriage (to Ioffe’s dad) for money. Then, in classic Freudian fashion, Julia projects this subconscious contempt for her own parents onto Russian women in general.

          So, there’s my diagnosis. That will be 5 cents please.

          Yalensis,
          Esteemed Doctor of Psychiatry

          http://peanuts.wikia.com/wiki/Lucy's_psychiatry_booth

          • Moscow Exile says:

            My old workmate was the world’s greatest unqualified psychiatrist – he told me so himself, almost every bloody day. His standard psychiatric expression was “It’s all down to SEX!”

            And he wasn’t a central European Jew; he had never read any of Freud’s works. In fact, he never read much except the form in “Sporting Life”. He was an English coal miner who had left school when he was 15.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              PS I’ve added one of my favourite avatars. It’s surprising how many have asked me who it is.

              I walked down those steps on which she is shrieking two summers ago. It was my first visit to Odessa and I was impressed.

          • Dear Yalensis,

            Even attractive western women find Russia intimidating. I was once in a relationship with a beautiful English woman who did a trip to Nizhny Novgorod. I remember her telling me that it was the first time in her life she felt plain.

            • yalensis says:

              That’s a good point. In all of our lives, looking around at other people who are more attractive and/or more successful, it is all too easy to fall prey to the sin of Envy.
              All of us feel this negative emotion, but most of us try to at least conceal from others what we are feeling. Ioffe, on the other hand, takes perverse pride in her own malicious tongue, as if her cattiness were a virtue instead of a deadly sin.


              “Envy according to the aspect of its object is contrary to charity, whence the soul derives its spiritual life… Charity rejoices in our neighbor’s good, while envy grieves over it.”
              (Thomas Aquinas)

              http://deadlysins.com/sins/envy.html

      • Moscow Exile says:

        It’s there again, though, in Ioffe’s rant: she’s bitching about the attractiveness of Russian women in Western men’s eyes:

        “The women, they say, are more beautiful and better (read: more sparsely) dressed, more deferential to men (especially men with money), and always aim to please, sexually”.

        Not so sparely dressed now, Julia, unless you know of any Russian women that parade around in skimpy summer dresses in early January. (Minus 10C here as I write, and snowing.) But it’s often there amongst those Russian nationals of the “fairer sex” that have decamped Westwards: this hatred of their “sisters” that enjoy “the good life” in the Evil Empire at the expense of some Western fat cat. (I think Mark touched on this point in another thread.)

        I take it that Ioffe hasn’t noticed any women in the West that are “more deferential to men (especially men with money), and always aim to please, sexually”.

        I wonder how Ioffe would analyze the reasons for my preferring to live in Russia with my Russian WIFE – not “whore”, as Ioffe all but calls her former fellow countrywomen that associate with Westerners; furthermore, how would she analyze my reasons for living here for 20 years on a slightly above average RUSSIAN salary in Moscow (I now earn 65,000 rubles a month) with my wife of 15 years?

        Has my “orientialism” driven me to such madness, I wonder?

        I should also add that I know of several Westerners who live here in similar circumstances as I do: several fellow countrymen (Scots Irish and Welsh included of course), US citizens, an Australian, a New Zealander, a Canadian and a German. I know these people personally and have become acquainted with many others on the expat websites here who have also chosen to settle in the Evil Empire with their Russian wives and families. And they do not all live in Moscow either: some of them live out in the sticks – in the provinces even. (The Kiwi lives in Lipetsk and the Aussie in Nizhny Novgorod.) None of them are Western fat cats who go out a-whoring with Russian women in nightclubs and reastaurants; none of them are engaged in an endless bachanalia with the extremely attractive and easily available Russian sluts that haunt Ioffe’s mind.

        Anyway, I don’t think all Russian women are drop-dead gorgeous: I think Masha Gessen is as ugly as sin, and Ioffe is nothing much to write home about either.

        Perhaps it’s the ugly ones that emigrate?

        Ну, как говорят здесь: на вкус и цвет товарищей нет!
        :-)

        • Misha says:

          In a 3 for 3 hat trick mode, the established propped dilettante source in question brings out comments like:

          01/08/2013 – 2:28pm EDT | mgorvine
          Maybe Putin can adopt Depardieu as his son, now that he’s sentenced Russian orphans to life imprisonment rather than let Americans adopt them.

          Maybe Putin can adopt Depardieu as his son, now that he’s sentenced Russian orphans to life imprisonment rather than let Americans adopt them.

          01/08/2013 – 8:11pm EDT | magboy47
          This is a well-written and insightful article. For centuries Great Russians have been ashamed of the part of their ancestry that is Asian and blamed it on a Tatar invasion and occupation of their nation, when actually Tatar-Mongolians have always been part of their Empire. That’s the main reason they are in love with individual Europeans. Peter the Great made Europe the gold standard, as has every Russian ruler since. At the same time Russians are xenophobic, with their country having often been invaded by European nations. They like rich and powerful Europeans, but only for what they can get out of them. In that they are like all other peoples. But Putin, if he thought any European c … view full comment

          This is a well-written and insightful article. For centuries Great Russians have been ashamed of the part of their ancestry that is Asian and blamed it on a Tatar invasion and occupation of their nation, when actually Tatar-Mongolians have always been part of their Empire. That’s the main reason they are in love with individual Europeans. Peter the Great made Europe the gold standard, as has every Russian ruler since. At the same time Russians are xenophobic, with their country having often been invaded by European nations. They like rich and powerful Europeans, but only for what they can get out of them. In that they are like all other peoples. But Putin, if he thought any European country was hurting his empire, would try to ruin that country, at least economically.

          I’ve never liked Depardieu’s movies, and now I don’t like him. He reminds me of those Left fools like Lincoln Steffens and Lillian Hellman who worshiped Russia under Bolshevism without any criticism.

          01/08/2013 – 9:55pm EDT | arnon1
          “I’ve never liked Depardieu’s movies,…”

          You didn’t like Cyrano de Bergerac? it’s a great film. Danton was also a great historical film.

          I hated Going Places which was a kind of Gilles Deleuzeean fable. I despise the philosophy and psychology of Gilles Deleuze.

          Depardieu is an ass for moving to a country with very little freedom and shows how a great actor can also be a great dummy.

          Depardieu’s legacy will to re-affirm Plato’s view of actors.

        • Misha says:

          On the subject of observing how others carry on, there’re the Westies (Brit, Irish and others), who advertise marrying Russian, while clinging to some of the inaccurate and arguably bigoted views of Russia/Russians.

          Their comeback being that they’ve lived there for an extended amount of time. Reminded of some of the people who get regular court side seats to Knick or Laker games, while knowing considerably less about the NBA and basketball at large; in contrast to the diehard fans, who aren’t well connected in terms of getting free tickets or being able to shell out hundreds of dollars for one ticket.

          • Misha says:

            The last set of comments leads to the emphasis of not knee jerkingly categorizing people.

            Moscow Exile doesn’t fit the mold of the previously described Westy.

            Conversely, there’re Poles who don’t share Brzezinski’s views on Russia.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Yeah, but I still live in Russia having already lived a third of my life here. I have no intention of leaving this country; neither have my wife and children: we all like it here.

            We’re funny like that.
            :-)

            • Moscow Exile says:

              I should also like to to add that my drunken best buddy, a Scot, who was my best man in 1997, is also still here with his Russian wife, whom he married about 5 years after I got wed and who has also lived here for 20 years; not for a third of his life as I have, for he is 45 years old, but for most of his adult life.

              As a matter of fact, there are quite a few here like us. I know this because I have perused the very large file at the Moscow City Taganka District ОВИР – Отдел виз и регистрации (OVIR – Department of Visas and Registration), where the details of all those foreigners that are resident in just this one city precinct are kept.

              The director of my local OVIR invited me to feel free to check the file out when I suggested that she was kidding me that I had to prove that I had at least $17,000 in my bank account in order to get a permanent Moscow residence visa for a foreigner. In the file were bank statements from assorted foreigners resident in Taganka, proving that they had such a sum in their accounts. I noticed that quite a number of them were Italians.

              The thing is, though, that such strange creatures such as my Scots pal and I are clearly not as vociferous as those that stay here for a few years and then return West with their Russian wives and children in tow, ready to tell all about what a shithole Russia is.

              We must be the silent minority.

              • Misha says:

                I had the pleasure of meeting an elected Scottish politician and his Russian wife when they visited NY sometime ago.

                Along with his wife, the aforementioned Scot is a pleasure over some of his Brit geopolitical opposites.

        • marknesop says:

          I only thought all women in Russia were stunning because so many of them are, and there’s something to the suggestion that many of them are only while young, after which they mature into the hardy, solid peasant stock many of us thought they all were, all along. Much of it for me upon my first visit to Vladivostok was because they seem to make more of an effort – they wear clothes that both fit and flatter them, and you see (or you did, there and then) very few with green hair and a big bovine nose ring or other disfiguring jewelry, and almost none in baggy track pants and an oversize T-shirt. They seemed to dress in their best and to know they were on show. But there also is a look to Slavic women, the Poles and the Czechs and the Ukrainians as well, of scrubbed, natural beauty. Once the bloom was off the rose and I had settled on the woman I wanted to be with, I noticed lots who were not particularly attractive, but I still got a very noticeable impression of femininity – the Russian girls are quite capable of doing anything men can do, just as girls are everywhere, but they like being girls and are not interested in wearing boxer shorts or men’s clothes. Even their sports attire is chosen with care for how it will fit and the impression it will create. They like to look good. Apparently, in some quarters, that’s slutty.

          I’m not going to get into the appearance of the accusers, but suffice it to say only one could be called attractive. Of the three, also, Masha Gessen is the least likely to portray them as tramps willing to cast away their virginal youth at the spin of a coin on the bartop – and that’s because she sees them the way we do.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            When they first started turning up in Voronezh in the early ’90s, it was the Western girls in the baggy pants and oversized sweaters and assorted piercings that shocked the Russian boys and girls. And I stress, the Russian girls were shocked as well.

            When they felt brave enough to criticize, the Russian boys used to ask the Western girls why they wanted to appear so unnattractive. This was, of course, long after they had asked the Westerrn lads how they could tolerate being in the company of such unsightly (to their eyes at least) creatures.

            With me it was different: I was in my early ’40s then and the Voronezh boys used to respectfully ask my opinion about these matters.

            The stock answer off the Western girls – who all seemed to me to be striving to look like Andrea Dworkin clones – was that the Russian boys were all “sexists”.

            Soviet schoolgirls then used to wear big bunches of ribbon in their hair – my girls
            still do.

            I remember once commenting on this fact to a British Angela Dworkin look-alike, saying how I liked how in Russia little girls loooked like little girls, and she launched into a very nasty harangue, stating that I was a potential child molester.

            Bear in mind, I should confess that I do find these Soviet schoolgirls attractive.

            And before I get any angry comments, it’s graduation day and they’re all 17-year-olds!

            • kirill says:

              Interesting, I don’t recall the ribbons being part of the school uniform but fashion could have changed after I left. For some reason self-described feminists in the west think that feminine behaviour should be suppressed and women should act like men to be “equal”. This is rather funny since in the USSR women were indeed equal in terms of education, employment and social standing to a level that has never been achieved in the west. So the whole act-like-a-man shtick is obviously irrelevant to actual rights and opportunities.

              The vitriol cannot hide that the western women were just wearing fashion and it was not particularly attractive to Russians. Sexism, pedophilia and women’s rights have nothing to do with it.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                When I first arrived in the USSR in 1988, the schoolboys and -girls all wore Soviet uniform, as you can see on this site dedicated to Russian graduation day.

                Most of the photographs in the linked site were taken during Soviet times.

                When I first visited a post-Soviet Moscow school in 1992, this uniform was rapidly being discarded and the older girls were even wearing make-up in class. Clearly they already had Western fat cats in mind! :-)

                The pictures towards the end of the site linked above show Russian graduation day girls in fashionable dresses and these photographs were taken quite recently. I should add, however, that each summer in Moscow I still see graduation day girls who don the old Soviet style uniform – just for the fun of it, I suppose. In fact, more and more girls (young women really) seem to be reverting to the old Soviet uniform as this “Last Bell” site made as recently as 2009 shows. Nevertheless, such stiletto heeled shoes as at least one girl is shown wearing would have hardly been tolerated in the Soviet Union, not that such shoes were readily available in any case.

                I still prefer the old Soviet uniform and there are signs that it is being slowly reintroduced in schools here, but only if the pupils wish this.

                My two elder children went to a church school for their first two school years and both had to wear a uniform there. My elder girl’s uniform at the church school was much the
                same as the Soviet one, but my son’s uniform had a jacket with a high “French collar”, such as worn by the young Ulyanov in Imperial Russia.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  “Most of the photographs in the linked site were taken during Soviet times.”

                  No they weren’t. On closer scrutiny, those photographs showing girls wearing sashes were taken in 2007. Even the black and white photos were taken then.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Here are some pictures taken at a Russian Orthodox Church School like St. Aleksandr Nevsky that my two elder children attended. Their old school school was facing my house, but two years after they had started there, it moved to a place that was too inconvenient for my children to travel to. It was a good school with small classes. They had to attend religious instruction only one morning a week in a church attached to the school.

                  One picture shows some “Last Bell” boys and girls in front of an iconostasis with a priest. I think these boys and girls had won prizes. Note the boys’ 19th century uniform with the “French collar” as the Russians call it, and the little bell pinned to the boys’ and girls’ clothes. That’s the uniform my son wore. And the girls are modestly covered as they are obliged to be in church – no bare arms and long dresses and head covered. Some of the boys are wearing trainers though, whereas the girls are wearing “sensible” shoes. Definitely no stiletto heeled shoes are visible!

                  This picture shows younger pupils being inaugurated into the church – like First Holy Communion Day for Roman Catholic children, as does this picture.

                  Pity I couldn’t find any school pictures on the net with my Vova and Lena on them.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Bad link!

                  Here’s the “Last Bell” picture again.

              • yalensis says:

                Yeah, the hair ribbons have long been a part of the school uniform. The bigger the better!

                • marknesop says:

                  The elder of my Russian nieces wore those puffy ribbons, and the short dress with the apron as well, when she graduated; that would have been around 08/09. The younger is still in school. School traditions such as those uniforms for graduation and last bell seem to be holding on fairly well.

                • I was under the presumably mistake impression that hair ribbons were only worn on special days, especially at the beginning and end of the school year.

                • marknesop says:

                  That’s the only time I’ve seen it; at graduation. But throughout the year our daughter has her hair done up in some sort of style every day – usually by her grandmother, while she’s eating breakfast – in fairly elaborate braids or some other style.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Those really big “bantiki” are usually for special days, but some doting mothers/grandmothers sometimes adorn their little girls everyday with them. My little girl is being prepared for kindergarten right now and she has a little one in her hair.

                  My elder daughter has a long plait down her back. She’s 12 now and has never had a haircut; nor has my 4-year-old daughter.

                  I’m a Russian traditionalist! The girls, if I have my way, will have long plaits until they wed, then off they come!

                  I had a girlfriend (a divorcee) here who once showed me the plait that she had until she first wed. It was over metre long and kept wrapped up in her botttom drawer. Don’t why she kept it though. I think the tradition is to give it to nuns who make wigs out of the hair or whatever.

                • yalensis says:

                  Yeah, the elaborate hair braids and plaits are also a crucial component of Russian (actually all Slavic – allude to Timoshenko’s braids and how they helped her political career in Ukraine) culture. Actually, make that peasant culture everywhere in Europe!
                  In traditional peasant culture, a girl was judged by the thickness and length of her braid. (From a crassly Darwinian POV, you could say that she was considered more marriageable and more likely to have healthy children if people could see a clear complexion and thick glossy tresses free of lice and other parasites.)

                  Recall that famous scene in “Morozko” when Marfushka (the ugly step-sister) her momma is trying to marry her off. For the meeting with her potential suitor, In addition to painting Marfa’s face up, momma strives to give her offspring a fine braid. But unfortunately Marfushka’s hair is thin and too short to braid. Mom actually considers chopping off Nastenka’s hair to make a fake braid for Marfushka. But in the end she settles for a fake hair extension. (Not unlike Timoshenko!)

          • Dear Mark,

            I agree with all this though I would make a personal though perhaps rather politically incorrect comment, which is that based on my own observations of women generally, those women who dress more revealingly tend (with a few disastrous exceptions) to be the ones who have most reason to be confident about what they show. If Russian and Slav women tend generally to dress more revealingly than do most women in the west it is because they tend (nearly always with good reason) to be confident that they can carry it off. If women in some parts of the west tend to dress less revealingly it is similarly because with equally good reason they are less confident that they can carry it off.

            In my experience women tend to be good judges of this sort of thing. I should say that the extent to which a woman is able to dress revealingly is far from being the only measure of a woman’s beauty. My young niece is becoming a very beautiful woman. She does not and cannot dress revealingly because like most southern European women and unlike Slav women she lacks the physical attributes to do it. However as someone who has been brought up largely in Belgium and France, she has like many French women learnt to make up for it in other ways.

  24. AK says:

    I am now a believer. Miracles are real!

    Thanks for getting in touch.

    On review I have decided to reinstate your comment…

    • AK says:

      But this time I’m copying it down just in case.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        It must have been your avatar that caused the upset! :-)

        I kid you not! I used to use this Putin picture as an avatar just to bug folk at the Guardian (I rather like the picture, actually) and some Guardianistas complained about it. I was DenisP when I used to write to CiF and I well remember one irate Guardianista blustering “You do realize DenisP uses a picture of Putin as his avatar!”

        I think his astounding revalation concerning my choice of avatar was proof positive that I was a Kremlin hireling.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          I should add, however, that I later changed my Putin avatar to this, which then led to another exasperated outburst off some CiFer which was almost word for word the same as the one quoted above concerning my earlier Putin avatar.

          The irony of my using a Berezovski picture for my avatar in comments which were mostly defending Russia and the Russians from shills like Berezovsky was apparently completely lost on at least one Guardianista.

          • yalensis says:

            Prize for “grossest avatar” goes to this pro-Navalnyite blogger, who calls himself “Honest_Comment”. This hamster picked an avatar which is some kind of horror-film mask, something like a child-zombie, not sure exactly who or what it is:

            http://honest-comment.livejournal.com/

            • yalensis says:

              P.S. even though Navalny is a spent force now, I still follow his blog, only because I have a bet going on the exact date he decides to take a powder and flee to the West.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                Someone on AK’s blog reckons Navalny has a political party now: the People’s Alliance. I replied that there is no mention of Navalny on that party’s site, which argument was countered by the suggestion that I google Navalny Narodny Alliance and I should than see that in mid-December there were “announcements from N”.

                I presume these were announcements of intent to join NA. My interlocutor continued: “Rumors about him and the party started moving around in summer. I guess he’s hedging his bets by not officially leading his party – his brand still has an appeal, but none of the new parties is successful so far”.

                Yeah, and I guess NA is hedging its bets on whether N gets sent down for 10 years.

        • Dear Anatoly,

          First of all congratulations for achieving this.

          Secondly, it begs the question of why your entirely appropriate comment was censored in the first place. I don’t suppose they gave any reason?

  25. Moscow Exile says:

    The “this” above was this!

  26. Moscow Exile says:

    As regards doublethink, one would find it hard to find a better example than this comment to Cohen’s article:

    “The Russian State well knows that the use of groundless litigation and vexatious and oppressive conduct in promoting it, is one very effective means of causing mental health problems for a target. It is a grave abuse of the Courts and solicitors, as Officers of the Court, are under a professional obligation to decline instructions where litigation is being used as a weapon”.

    What the fuck does the Guardianista think the Magnitsky Act and the US legislature that passed it and the persons that promoted it are doing then?

    Another example of “Don’t do as we: do as we say!”

    • Dear Moscow Exile,

      You make an excellent point.

      What the commentator is referring to are abusive and vexatious claims. These are claims which have no prospect of success but which are simply brought as a form of harassment. The Court has the power to strike out such claims and often does so without being asked.

      Needless to say the idea that any claim being prosecuted by a firm of solicitors like Olswang could be abusive or vexatious is frankly comic whilst the idea that Browder of all people might be reduced to a mental wreck because a Court case has been brought against him is simply fanciful.

  27. Moscow Exile says:

    As reported in today’s Moskovsky Komsomolets, Udaltsov has received permission off Moscow City Hall to have his march on January 13th. It’s going to be called “The March against the Anti-Magnitsky Law”, although MK in its headline labels it as “The March Against Scoundrels”.

    Remember, according to the Western media, this march is going to take place in that country where you put your life at risk if you speak out and where the cops are prone to “bludgeon” you for doing so and where you will be “beaten to a pulp” whilst iin custody. You might even be tortured!!!

    It’s the usual route: Pushkin Square to Sakharov Prospekt. Permission has been granted for 20,000 to take part. (Not a million?) Start time 13:00.

    The weather forecast for January 13th, by the way, is minus 10C (plus 14F) – could be much colder though, as a colder than usual spell is setting in right now.

    Any forecasts for the turnout?

    We should have a lottery on the turnout for these farces.

      • Dear Moscow Exile,

        Is this march purely Udaltsov’s initiative or is it supported by the whole opposition Coordinating Committee?

        Either way I would guess no more than a few thousand would come. Quite apart from anything else 13th January 2012 is just a few days away and there simply won’t be enough time to organise a big turnout.

        • kirill says:

          These days the anti-Russian propaganda is so rabid that even a few thousand will be spun to sound like a few hundred thousand.

          Even RIAN is engaged in this anti-Russian propaganda. Their article on the maggot who got sent off to Siberia (see my post below) uses the formula: “opposition activist sent off to Siberia for plotting to overthrow [tyrant] Putin”. So if I put “opposition activist” in front of the name of some criminal does that clear them of their crime and instead implicate the state in criminality? Since when does plotting to overthrow a duly elected leader (who isn’t running gulags and who released hundreds of thousands of prisoners from Russian jails and introduced probation and jury trials) become legitimate? The proper term here is not “opposition activist” but “seditionist criminal”. The word opposition in the context used by these propaganda pieces implies a “democracy promoter”. This is patently not the case.

          • marknesop says:

            What never fails to crack me up is the fact that the same people who, regularly as clockwork, claim that every vote is rigged and that the vote is being falsified in favour of United Russia – are people who exaggerate the number of protesters they were able to attract to their cause by more than double. I gave up counting how many times I saw, in reference to a demonstration, “Police say 27,000, activists and organizers claim more than 80,000 were present”. No need to take my word for it; plenty of examples remain.

            And these are people who expect to be trusted to count the vote? What’s the difference between counting ballots, and counting people? Which weighs more; a pound of lead or a pound of feathers?

        • Moscow Exile says:

          Dear Alexander Mercouris,

          I’m checking it out right now. I’m pretty sure the march is Udaltsov’s thing and he’s pushed it through because he’s sure that he’ll get knee-jerk “think-of-the-children” support on the march, and very likely off people who have never demonstrated before. I don’t think what Udaltsov himself called “a wankers’ committee” was all that too keen to organize a march so soon after the recent Lubyanka fiasco where, according to Voice of America, “thousands” turned up.

          I should imagine that even if Navalny’s hot-air club are dead set against Udaltsov’s posturings, the masturbators’ committee will be forced to give the march the green light “on principle”, in much the same way as the KPRF joined in the Moscow summer march only to show support for fellow “oppositionists”, whereupon some KPRF members immediately engaged in fisticuffs whilst on the march with the anarchist contingent – or vice-versa: it doesn’t really matter who started it.

          Remember, these are the people who are causing the chief executive and his ministers to collectively fill their pants in terror.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            And having just posted the above, this appeared on the Moscow Komsomolets site.

            The headline reads:

            Sick Orphan Asks Putin to Let Him Go to America

            The article continues:

            “However, it has been called a provacation in the Duma.
            A 14-year-old orphan from Chelyabinsk who is suffering from a genetic ailment has written a letter to the President of the RF, Vladimir Putin. The teenager has asked the head of state to allow him to travel to the USA, where an adoptive family is waiting for him. One of the authors of the scandalous “orphans’ law” has called it a provocation”.

            Notice how the new law is labelled as being “scandalous” by a newspaper in Russia, that land where no one is allowed to criticize the head of state on pain of death – especially journalists.

            Articles such as this might pack ‘em in at Udaltsov’s Sunday show!

            I’m sure there’ll be more such stories before the week is out.

            • kirill says:

              This “sick” orphan can wait till the age of maturity and then emigrate. Is the “sickness” of the sort that the “shkval” technology thief Pope and dictator Pinochet had to escape the law? Naturally, such “sicknesses” disappear upon arrival to the destination outside Russia.

              • Dear Moscow Exile,

                I see you got there first and anticipated a comment I made below.

                If it does indeed turn out that this letter from the sick orphan is a forgery, as does frankly seem likely, then this is completely outrageous. If any part of the opposition or the US authorities were behind this forgery then all I can say is that they have plumbed new depths.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Dear Alexander Mercouris,

                  According to this KP article, an American couple have been visiting the orphan in question since they got to know him in 1996. The orphan, Maksim, categorically denies writing a letter to Putin. KP says:

                  - В конце декабря к нам приехал журналист из интернет-портала, уж не вспомню с какого, — говорит Мацко. — Он предложил снять репортаж про Максима, которого хотят усыновить американцы. Что, теперь из-за «закона Димы Яковлева» мечте не суждено сбыться? Мол, сделаем слезливый репортаж, обратимся косвенно к президенту. А я по его сценарию должен был заявить, что если усыновление не состоится, ребенок в России пропадет. У всех же какие представления: американцы усыновляют немощных и неходячих. Но это все не про нашего Максима! Мы от «слезливого репортажа» отказались. Тогда гость попросил об интервью с ребенком. Макс согласился. Что вышло в итоге, мы не видели. Но в один прекрасный день проснулись знаменитыми.

                  - Журналист меня спросил одно: если бы у тебя была возможность обратиться к Путину, что бы ты ему сказал? – вспоминает «герой дня» Максим Каргопольцев. – Я ответил: попросил бы его разрешить мне уехать в Америку. И все. Никакого письма я не писал, никаких петиций не составлял. Я не считаю себя убогим сиротой, я в состоянии сам решать свои проблемы. Будем искать другие выходы, сдаваться не намерены.

                  “In late December we were visited by a journalist from an online news-portal, I do not remember from which”, said Matsko [Orphanage Director -ME]. “He suggested doing a story on Maxim, whom the Americans wanted to adopt. He asked if the dream wouldn’t not come true now because of the “Dima Yakovlev law” and wanted to make a tearful report that would be indirectly targeted at the president. And in his scenario, I was to state that if the adoption takes place, a child is lost to Russia. And it all would follow the line that the Americans were adopting a weak person that couldn’t walk. But that’s not what our Maxim is! So we of the “tearful reportage” refused. Then the visitor asked for an interview with the child. Max agreed. We did not see how it finally turned out in the end. Then one fine day we woke up famous”.

                  “The ournalist asked me one thing: if you had the opportunity of approaching Putin, what would you say to him?” recalls the “hero of the day”, Maxim Kargopoltsev. “I said I’d ask him to let me to go to America. That’s all. No I did not write the letter, did not make any petitions. I do not consider myself to be a pitiful orphan. I am able to sort out my own problems. I will seek out other ways of doing this. I’m not going to give up”.

                • Dear Moscow Exile,

                  Thank you for clarifying this.

                  Well it is now clear that the story of the letter is a straightforward fabrication. It looks to me like someone’s stupid attempt at a provocation to try to drum up support prior to Udaltsov’s forthcoming march. I think this is one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard.

                • yalensis says:

                  More details from the “Orphan Maxim” story, to supplement the bits that Exile translated:
                  The boy, Max, denies that he has a rare genetic defect (as was stated in the original inernet piece on him), he says he is normal, engages in sports, is intelligent, loves to read. His life in the orphanage is okay, and he has a lot of friends. He yearns for a family and does indeed want to move to America, but denies that he wrote a letter to Putin requesting this. (Basically, on being asked a leading question, he stated his wish to a “journalist”, and the story was exagerrated.)
                  The American family who wishes to adopt Max are the Wallens, from Virginia. Mom Diana and Dad Mil [? Not sure of English spelling. They became acquainted with Max 7 years ago, in 2006, when Max was 7 [? not sure if he is now 14 or 16 ?]
                  According to the piece, the Wallen couple met Max in the course of their charitable activities donating their own time and money to build orphanages in Russia. At first they just met him casually, then they bonded with him, and decided to adopt him. Max had spent his whole life in an orphanage, and was ecstatic at the thought of living in a nice house with parents, siblings, and a pet dog.
                  The adoption process has been dragging on for many years, but was almost complete when – BAM ! – the Dima Yakovlev law came along and put a kebosh to it.
                  Every summer the Wallens spend 3 weeks in Russia, of which they allocate one-third of that time to visit Max in his orphanage.
                  “Mama Diana has explained to me that she and her husband divide their trip into three parts,” Maxim relates, with glowing eyes. “At first they put their house in order, repairs, painting and plastering and so on…. [so, they own a house in Russia?]… Then, they spent time with their granddaughter, whom they adore….[so, they have a Russian granddaughter?]… The final ten days is their visit to Chel’abinsk, to our orphanage. A lot of people say that Americans are phonies, that they have false smiles. But that’s not true: Diana and Mil are outstanding people.”

                  Meanwhile, Max keeps up a positive attitude. His career goal is to finish school with good grades, attend Technicum, and study to be a lawyer. He plans to learn English and then emigrate to America regardless. By then he will be too old to adopt, but the Wallens say they will get him a working or student visa so he can go to America, even without the adoption.
                  Article states that Wallens have a huge family, back in Virginia. It doesn’t specify, but I am guessing they are one of these families who collects a lot of adopted and foster kids. They sound like nice people, and my advide to them would be: Write your congressman and urge him to repeat the Magnitsky Law. Then maybe Russian Duma will relent and allow Max to join your family.

                  http://www.kp.ru/daily/26012.4/2936146/

                • yalensis says:

                  Correction: I skimmed the piece too fast and got that last bit wrong. I just re-read it, more slowly. It’s not that the Wallens spend 30 days in Russia (I think). Mama Diana divides her summer vacation (approx. 30 days) into 3 parts: For 10 days they work on their house (in Virginia?), the next 10 days they visit their granddaughter (somewhere in America?), and THEN they spend 10 days with Max in Russia. On re-reading, this sounds like Max explaining to other people (and to himself) why the Wallens don’t spend more time with him, since he only gets to see them once a year.
                  This story is actually quite pathetic. It is making me feel sad.

                • yalensis says:

                  And egregious typos in my comment too: “advide” should read “advice”, and “repeat the Magnitsky law” should obviously read “REPEAL the Magnitsky Law” — LOL!

  28. Moscow Exile says:

    Birds of a feather flock together?

    Celebrating Christmas in the company of Roman Abramovich and his girlfriend Daria Zhukova on his Carribean paradise island St. Bart estate (purchased for $89 million in 2009) were presenter Vladimir Pozner, Boris Yeltsin’s daughter Tatyana Dyachenko and her husband Valentin Yumashev, businesswoman Olga Slutsker, Polina Deripaska and more affluent citizens…” , as ,a href=”http://www.kp.ru/daily/26011/2935537/”>reported in today’s Komsomolskaya Pravda.

    The Abramoviches set off for their paradise at the end of last year, as reported here.

    Every one a criminal!

  29. yalensis says:

    Meanwhile, Switzerland has joined America with its own Magnitsky Law, and has frozen assets of Russian citizens in Swiss banks:

    http://newsru.com/world/09jan2013/cs.html

    (I saw this link on Navalny’s blog. The Navalnyites are in throes of orgasms of joy at this new development. They hope and believe that this Swiss move will bring down the Russian government)

    • yalensis says:

      P.S. I am not good with money or financial matters, so it is hard for me to follow this story. Article says Swiss banks, at prodding of Americans, has determined that 5.4 billion rubles were stolen from Russian taxpayers (by members of Magnitsky List) and stashed in Swiss banks. Does this mean the Swiss bank will give this amount of money back to Russian government? If that were the case, I would not necessarily be opposed! (But I am skeptical if Russian taxpayers will ever see that $$$.)

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Again: no proof. Swiss bank actions taken on the grounds of allegations. These banks should have legal action taken against them. I do not doubt though that “dirty” money has been deposited in Swiss bank accounts; after all, that’s where the Nazis stashed their loot, and untouched it remained for decades.

        • Dear Moscow Exile and Yalensis,

          The important point to make is that Switzerland has not passed a Magnitsky law. If the Swiss authorities have taken this step it merely proves my longstanding point, which is that it is not necessary to pass a Magnitsky type law to take this sort of action.

          There’s a number of further points to make:

          1. I have heard absolutely nothing about this story elsewhere and it is not being reported here. That makes me doubt its truth.

          2. If the money was stolen from the Russian taxpayer then it should be repaid to the Russian government. If it is not then it will be the Swiss (and the Americans) who will have stolen it.

          3. How can the US government decide what money has been stolen from the Russian government? If the Russian government denies the money has been stolen how can the Swiss and the US insist that it has? It is not the US’s money and it is not for the US to interfere in the way Russia manages its money or to say that any money that does not belong to it has been stolen or not. If Moscow Exile gives $100 to Yalensis how can I say that Yalensis has stolen the $100 if Moscow Exile denies it and insists he voluntarily gave the $100 to Yalensis? If I take the $100 from Yalensis to give it back to Moscow Exile but Moscow Exile refuses to take it back because he says it no longer belongs to him but belongs to Yalensis because he gave it to Yalensis then I have stolen from Yalensis what is Yalensis’s property and it is I who am the thief. If this really has happened then the Swiss authorities and the Swiss banks who are involved in this affair could find themselves at the receiving end of some very unpleasant legal proceedings.

          The one good thing about this story is that it may make some Russians less willing to use Swiss bank accounts.

          • yalensis says:

            Dear Alexander: The source for the Russian story is this piece from a Swiss newspaper:

            http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/standard/Verdacht-auf-Geldwaescherei-Bund-blockiert-Millionen/story/10790179

            Do you read German? If not I can try to translate for you, although my German is not as good as I would wish it to be.

            • yalensis says:

              P.S. Thanks for hinting to MoscowExile that he should give me some money. Every little bit is appreciated.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                Warum muss ich Ihnen was Geld?

                At a quick glance, the story looks like bollocks based on hearsay as it links the recent death of the Russian “businessman” in the Surrey stockbroker belt, England, with the “lawyer” Magnitsky affair.

                Remember, that death in Surrey of a Russian man out jogging was immediately plastered all over the British press as yet another murder undertaken on the orders of the Evil One, albeit that. as far as I am aware, no coroner’s report on that “businessman’s” death has yet been made., just as there still hasn’t been one given yet for St. Alexander Litvinenko.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  It’s all a Browder PR stunt and claptrap. Her’s been whinging to the Swiss bankers about those evil Russians, most particularly with Credit Suisse. At the end of the article, which only talks of “suspected” money laundering, there appears tha paragraph:

                  Die Bank will sich nicht zum konkreten Fall äussern. Sie schreibt aber: «Die Credit Suisse hält sich an alle geltenden Gesetze und Vorschriften, einschliesslich jener, die sich auf die Verhinderung von Geldwäscherei, Sanktionen und Terrorismusfinanzierung beziehen.» Ähnliches teilt die UBS mit. Gemäss der russischen Zeitung «Nowaja Gaseta» ist auch die zweite Schweizer Grossbank vom Magnitski-Fall betroffen.

                  [The bank will not comment on the specific case but has made a written statement:: "Credit Suisse adheres to all applicable laws and regulations, including those relating to the prevention of money laundering, terrorist financing and sanctions". UBS [Union bank of Switzerland] says the same. According to the Russian newspaper “Novaya Gazeta”, the second biggest Swiss bank has also been affected by the Magnitsky case.]

                  Well blow me down! Novaya Gazeta is quoted.

                  Well who’d ‘ave thowt!

              • Moscow Exile says:

                PS

                Sehr Geehrter Herr Yalensis: die Übersetzung kostet Ihnen $10.

                Tschüss!
                :-)

  30. Misha says:

    A free to relatively free country allows for an open exchange of different opinions regarding:

    http://rt.com/politics/alternative-communists-want-us-613/

  31. kirill says:

    I was thinking about the modern day western sycophants in Russia and the westerno-philia of the Russian aristocrats 100 years ago. The Russian aristocracy was very much like the Navlnites and white ribbonists. They had contempt for the Russian people (“bydlo”) whom they still viewed as serfs long after 1860. They were the corrupt oligarchs which the present day white ribbonists aspire to be and adore. And both groups could care less about Russia’s development and are all about their own enrichment.

    But as the saying goes: history repeats as a farce. These modern day clowns will not rule over Russia like the clowns of old.

    • Misha says:

      Over the course of time, there has been plenty of the reverse.

      In their younger years, it wasn’t so uncommon for wealthy pre-1917 Russians to spend time in the West. Peter the Great suddenly comes to mind as does Gogol.

      On the latter, when living in the West, he never dissed his country of origin (dissing shouldn’t be confused with constructive criticism) and willingly returned to it – a pointed comment at the latter day revisionism of his life.

      In present times, I’ve come across a good number of Western based Russians and formerly Western based Russians (now back in Russia), who haven’t crapped on their country of origin.

      BTW, a number of them have expressed reservations about expressing their actual views when in the West. This includes some Russian based venues with ties to Western establishment institutions.

      The greater censorship is the one not getting discussed – a thought that gives reason to gag when someone writes of Gessen being courageous.

  32. Moscow Exile says:

    Monsieur Depardieu is nobody’s fool!

    I’ve just noticed on a big lit-up hoarding on a nearby house roof-top that faces the main highway southeast out of Moscow a huge image of Gerard’s ugly mug on an ad for kitchen furnishings.

  33. Moscow Exile says:

    Is Russia really going to start playing hardball with the USA?

    Mosckovsky Komsomolets reports today that the Russian Foreign Ministry has angrily responded to a statement from the US Department that the adoption agreement between the USA has been suspended:

    “Moscow has stressed that the agreement on adoption has not been suspended, but terminated

    On Wednesday the Russian-American agreement on the adoption of children was terminated, which was the result of the signing of the so-called “Anti-Magnitsky Law.” A representative of the U.S. State Department, Nuland, announced that the Russian side had informed the United States of the suspension of the agreement. The Russian Foreign Ministry has responded very strongly to this statement, stressing that the agreement has not been suspended, but terminated”.

    Finito! Konets! Vsyo!

    It’s over!

    Capisce?

    • Misha says:

      There seems like there might be some personal rift between Nuland and the Russian Foreign Ministry.

      From a distance (as in not knowing her well enough), Nuland comes across as a 50ish New Yorker, who grew up being influenced by neocon Commentary Magazine slanting – along the lines of Ethan Burger, whose commentary has gotten a good deal of run in wonky tonk Russia watching circles.

      • marknesop says:

        Victoria Nuland is the wife of ultra-neoconservative ideologue Robert Kagan, joyful advocate of the United States’ imposing its will throughout the world by military force and co-founder of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). He reached his life’s apex of happiness during the George W. Bush presidency, when it looked at first as though the neoconservative dreams were going to come true.

        I could see the Russian Foreign Ministry having a problem with a connection like that.

        • Misha says:

          I’m aware of the Nuland-R. Kagan duo, as well as R’s bro Fred, who has been AEI affiliated.

          It’s not just a matter of political differences. McFaul, S. Rice, H. Clinton and Nuland aren’t diplomatic in the way they carry on. On the flip side, the fluent English speaking Lavrov and Churkin don’t take crap.

  34. yalensis says:

    More on the Adagamov rape scandal:

    http://www.dni.ru/polit/2013/1/9/246277.html

    SUMMARY:
    Rustem Adagamov is a prominent Oppositionist blogger and member of the Sobchak faction on Navalny’s Coordinating Committee.
    Adagamov blogs under the nik “Drugoi”.
    His ex-wife Tatiana, who is a citizen of Norway, wants to take him to court for molesting a minor. This minor (who is asumed to be Tatiana’s daughter, Rustem’s step-daughter) was allegedly molested and raped since the age of 12. Not known how old she is now, but the alleged rapes took place in Norway, which does not have a statute of limitation for this sort of crime.
    Tatiana says she only learned of the rapes a few months back, in June 2012. Supposedly the girl finally broke her silence and blurted it all out. The emails, if authentic, reveal Tatiana as an infuriated Mother Tiger lashing out at he who harmed her cub. Adagamov comes off as a dickweed who doesn’t give a shit about the young girl but is still holding a torch for his ex-wife, and desperately wants the whole affair to be swept under the rug.
    Some Opps such as Lazareva, have come to Adagamov’s defense, they say this is all a bullshit slanderous campaign led by bloody Kremlin, to discredit one of Putin’s top enemies.
    Other Opps not so sure, and are urging Adagamov to take a lie detector test, but he is balking.
    Meanwhile, his business life is already suffering: a couple of major advertisors have already bailed out from his blog.

  35. Misha says:

    Syrian government steadfast as Russia and Turkey discuss Syria’s civil war:

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_01_09/Syrian-minister-slams-West-for-rejecting-Assad-s-proposals/

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_01_09/Turkey-foreign-official-arrives-in-Moscow-for-Syria-talks/

    ———————–

    On Chuck Hegal’s appointment as US Defense Secretary:

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/01/09/obama-choice-of-hagel-as-us-defence-secretary.html

    ****

    To be expected from Charles Krauthammer:

    http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/01/09/foxs-krauthammer-obamas-comment-to-soviet-pres/192113

    ———————–

    To be expected:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/10/opinion/a-frenchman-dreams-of-russia.html?_r=0

    ———————–

    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20130108/OPINION/130109614/1043/OPINION04?Title=Letter-of-the-Day-Condemning-Putin

    Excerpt –

    “What the editorial failed to mention is that Russian children are desired because they are fair-skinned, blond and blue-eyed. That certainly does not promote diversity.
    I say let the Russians take care of the Russians and the the Americans take care of their own. And there are certainly many children in this country born or aborted who deserve to be adopted.”

    Another view:

    http://rt.com/community/blogs/tim-kirby/russia-us-magnitsky-act/

    • marknesop says:

      The article referenced by the Kirby piece, in support of his contention that the Duma is considering a full break of diplomatic relations with the USA, sounds explosive but in reality is more a matter of seizing on an offhand remark and running with it. However, First Deputy Chairman of Foreign Affairs Viacheslav Nikonov did say it in an interview, so perhaps it was more than an emotional response and is a carefully-worded warning. What he said – in a response to the petition on the White House website which collected signatures in support of an initiative to include all those lawmakers who voted for the Dima Yakovlev Act on the Magnitsky List – was, “It will invite an unprecedented reaction, to the brink of breaking off diplomatic relations. Our response, of course, would be the inclusion of all U.S. senators and Congressmen who voted for the Magnitsky Act on our list”. This falls quite a bit short of breaking off diplomatic relations, although perhaps, as I suggested, it was a veiled threat.

      More interesting to me was the contention that the Dima Yakovlev Law includes a ban on NGO’s whose operations include actions that are political and who receive foreign funding. That’s a considerable advance on making them register as foreign agents, and would mean think tanks like the Moscow Helsinki Group and the Carnegie Moscow Centre would be asked to leave Russia rather than just being obligated to register. But the Dima Yakovlev Act has been signed into law, and nobody has been asked to leave that I’m aware of.

      If that report is accurate, it certainly answers the question whether Russia is prepared to play hardball with the USA, because it represents a major deterioration in relations that may be difficult or impossible to arrest. And that possibility will surely have been anticipated by the Russian leader.

      • yalensis says:

        I am personally a hardliner, I think Russia SHOULD break off relations with the U.S. Russia should pull out its ambassador from America and send McFaul packing too. Afterwards they could use Canada as intermediary when absolutely necessary to talk. In the same way that Russia broke off with Gruzia, but every now and then they still need to talk about something, in which case don’t they use the Swiss embassy, or something like that?

        • Misha says:

          Russian-Canadian relations don’t seem to be so good as well.

          Besides the US and The Marshall Islands, Canada was the only country to vote differently from Russia on two recent UN General Assembly resolutions having to do with the category of classifying Palestinian representation and the condemnation of glorifying Nazism. All of the other UN member states either voted the same with Russia on both or one of the two aforementioned resolutions, or just simply abstained on both. (Would’ve have to check on the last to be sure.)

          EVERY Arab country and Turkey voted like Russia on the two.

          On a lighter note, the Russian-Canadian ice hockey rivalry remains pretty intense. The recent IIHF U20 men’s bronze medal game between the two countries highlights this point.

          • marknesop says:

            Prime Minister Harper is extremely pro-American, and a big fan of an ever-closer economic integration between us as well as the common North American security perimeter. Consequently his administration’s policy is – generally speaking – to support the USA in its international ambitions. However, for a Conservative politician he can be surprisingly independent – the decision to not recognize the hand-picked Syrian opposition is a good example. As a general rule, although there are exceptions, Canada’s international votes reflect Canadian will rather than knee-jerk toadying to the U.S., and although I frequently disagree, I am not the majority.

            Russia is nothing if not pragmatic in its foreign relations, and recognizes that other nations will disagree with it for various reasons. As long as disagreements are not the result of partisan ideology or blatant suckholery to some other nation, I think our diplomatic relations will survive.

            • Misha says:

              Russian-American relations will as well.

              If I correctly recall, even Nuland suggestively stated (within the past few days) that Russian-American relations will not significantly decline.

              When compared to the US, Canada seems like it’s more influenced by nationalist anti-Russian leaning folks of central and east European background.

              As stated above, the suggestion that Canada could serve as an effective mediator in a hypothetically broken down US-Russia relationship isn’t so well founded IMO. Somewhat related are instances like the politically heavy handed way that Trifkovic was blocked by the Canadian government from entering Canada to speak at a university. That’s not a sign of being particuklarly open minded. In addition, Trifkovic’s foreign policy views are (to a good extent) in line with Russian officialdom.

  36. Moscow Exile says:

    Remember the brouhaha in the Western media about Putin’s “changing of the constitution” so as to enable him to stand for a third term of office? (He didn’t: the constitution was changed as regards inreasing a presidential term of office from 4 to 6 years; there is no constitutional limitation on the number of times a person can stand for president; however, no president may remain in office for more than two consecutive terms.)

    Well, according to an article in today’s RT, a US congressman is attempting to have a bill passed that would enable Obama to stand for a third presidential term of office.

    Of course, in answer to Western criticism of his standing a third time for president, Putin pointed out that F.D. Roosevelt was elected president of the USA four times, in 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944. The response from the USA was that since that time the US constitution had been changed (22nd Amendment).

    I don’t think Putin should have attempted to defend himself in this way: his re-election was in accordance to the Russian, not the US constitution.

    He should have told his critics, in his own inimicable way, to keep their snotty noses out of the pages of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

    • kirill says:

      I agree. Comparing local laws and customs to the US is akin to bowing before Rome’s imperialism. Why should Russians give a rat’s ass if there are term limits in the USA. There are none in Canada and the UK. For some reason I don’t hear howling of “oppression” when it comes to the latter two countries.

      An good leader sitting in office for 20 or more years during an epic economic and social transformation is much better than some stream of leaders “du jeur” who keep on messing up the country like Yeltsin. Sometimes stability is necessary. When the country is stabilized and approaches normal equilibrium then having a faster turnover of leaders may be better to prevent stagnation. But even then, the real issue is the quality of the leader. Four years of crap leadership from a clown can do a lot of damage. Perhaps the real need is for the law to provide for recall votes to remove scum from office.

      • Robert says:

        If the US Constitution didn’t have Presidential term limits chances are Clinton would have won a second term in 2000 rather than that cretin Bush. The only term limits you need are free and fair elections although Venezuelan style recall votes are also worth looking at.

        • Robert says:

          Sorry that should be third term in 2000. Not a fan of Clinton by any means but he wouldn’t have been as disastrous as Dubya.

          • Misha says:

            With foreign policy especially in mind, that view should IMO be taken with extreme caution, given the likes of Power, Holbrooke, S. Rice, Albright and H. Clinton.

  37. kirill says:

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130109/178666609/Opposition_Activist_Charged_with_Coup.html

    How in the f*ck can a video “purport to show” something? The word purport has the connotation of allegation. Are the black and white images in the video simple allegations? I have never seen smoking gun evidence called allegation. The video showing these revolutionary wannabe clowns betraying their country and plotting violence is correctly described as “evidence”.

    • marknesop says:

      Yes, Mr. Bennetts does have a certain style, doesn’t he? In this case, he can technically get away with “purports”, because although there is no argument about who the people are that appear in it, there is some disagreement that their conversation is “to discuss plans to destabilize Russia”. If that is indeed what they are discussing, though, I submit that 10 years (maximum) is a pretty light sentence. What would you get in the USA if found guilty of conspiring with a foreign national to destabilize the country?

      Another party trick of Mr. Bennetts’ is to introduce an accusation simply by announcing that Putin denies it; “he denies his rule is becoming more authoritarian”, in much the same way he might offer “Putin denies he is a pedophile”, or “Putin denies he has suffered a stroke which leaves him in unbearable pain”. What in law would be referred to – by way of telling you to stop it – as “leading the witness” is considered a mark of accomplishment in tabloid journalism. If you have left it up to the reader to draw his own conclusions, then you have not done your job, which is to render a given conclusion inescapable.

      • Misha says:

        No surprise to see The Washington Times’ Jeff Kuhner uncritically reference MB.

        Kuhner aside, The Washington Times has run some decent pieces – especially contrasted with the overall WaPo slanting.

      • yalensis says:

        “Putin denies that his rule is becoming more authoritarian.”

        “Marc Bennetts denies that his mother mated with an aborted orangutan.”
        “Marc Bennetts denies that he is a serial killer who collects his victims’ toenails as trophies.”

        “Marc Bennetts denies…” (oh, never mind)

        • marc says:

          Yes, Marc Bennetts does deny he is a serial killer. But what’s wrong with quoting a Putin denial? He was asked if he was “tightening the screws” and he said no “everyone must obey Russian law.” What’s the problem?

    • yalensis says:

      The author uses loaded words like “grainy footage”, as if the less-than-IMAX theater quality of the video somehow brings into doubt its authenticity? Udaltsov and Raz don’t even deny that they performed in that “grainy” hidden-camera video and met with Givi. They just claim that they didn’t know who exactly he was.
      And P.S., the reason why Raz is off to the gulag and Udaltsov is still at large, is because Raz tried to do a runner, whereas Udaltsov is being a good boy and obeying the rules of his probation. (At least so far…)

      • kirill says:

        This journalist has contempt for his readers. I can decide for myself if the video is grainy or not. If pressed he’ll probably claim the video was faked. Yeah, the untermensch can pull off miracles once in a while.

        • Dear Kirill and Yalensis,

          You are both absolutely right. Saying that the video is “grainy” is utter nonsense. It is irrelevant whether the video is “grainy” or not. What is relevant is if it is true or a fake. Similarly, the video does not “purport” to show anything. It is a record of a meeting that even Udaltsov admits took place. If what the video shows is true then Udaltsov and Razvozzhaev have a serious case to answer.

          It speaks volumes that in so far as the white ribbon opposition and the western media discuss Razvozzhaev’s part in this story, it is always to dwell on the circumstances of his probable abduction from Kiev. That is a totally secondary and in my opinion frankly minor issue given what the video shows and the nature of the charges against Razvozzhaev. Western governments regularly abduct individuals who engage in the sort of activities tthe video shows Razvozzhaev engaged in. In fact as we know in the west it goes far further. There is no Russian equivalent that we know of to the CIA’s black ops or to extraordinary rendition. If the FSB did do that sort of thing I have no doubt we would have heard of it by now.

          If the white ribbon opposition had any sense (which they obviously don’t) what the disclosure of the video and Udaltsov’s and Razvozzhaev’s dealings with a shady Georgian businessman ought to be doing is making them think hard about whether Udaltsov and Razvozzhaev are the sort of people they want to be involved with. At the very least they ought to be asking Udaltsov some hard questions about what he has been up to. There is no sign of that and I for one get the feeling that the members of the white ribbon opposition and their media supporters are so fixated with their hatred of Putin that they just don’t care whether the charges against Udaltsov and Razvozzhaev are true or not.

          • yalensis says:

            Grainy video quality – pooh!
            Maybe the Belorussian KGB should have shot the video in High Definition with three rolling cameras, Dolby Sound and state of the art lighting. Lots of pans and zooms, too, make sure you show Jabba the Targamadze lolling on his sofa in EXTREME CLOSE-UP, so audience can see his Oscar-winning emoting as he plots the seizure of Kalingrad!

      • marc says:

        1. Udaltsov said he might have met some Georgians. Givi says he’s never met Udaltsov. So “they don’t deny” isn’t exactly accurate, right?
        2. So why is Konstantin Lebedev behind bars? He didn’t “do a runner.”
        Marc

        • 1. It is accurate. The comment did not say that they admit to knowing who they were meeting (though it is hardly credible that they didn’t know). Or are you saying they deny being the people in the video which is the subject under discussion?

          2. I can’t help you there. I don’t know who Konstantin Lebedev is. Is he someone in the video?

          • marc says:

            Yes, they deny it. Parts of the video have different dialogue for the same footage.

            And the guy in the video really doesn’t look like Udaltsov at all. NTV has a history of fake videos. A friend of mine in Moscow filmed Putin protesters being paid to attend pro-Putin rallies, put the clip on the internet, and the next time he saw it it was in a NTV ‘documentary” proving anti-Putin protesters were being paid by the US State Department.

            Lebedev was the first of the three to be arrested over the “Georgia plot.” He didn’t try to run. And, just out of interest, do you believe the Investigative Comm’s statement that Razvozzhayev took a taxi from Kiev to Moscow to hand himself in? (He says he was abducted and tortured by “masked men” into confessing.)

            • cartman says:

              Did they make up the fake bullet in his body as well? Have you ever received any gunshot wounds in the past that you forgot about after a while (even though you did not seek hospital treatment to remove the bullet because that would connect you to a crime)? Maybe you give too much credit to everyone who says they are “anti-Putin”.

              • marc says:

                His lawyer told me last week there was no operation to remove any bullet…

                • cartman says:

                  The lawyer also told everyone he had a heart attack. He has a history of dispensing medical opinions…

                • marknesop says:

                  If you said the Moscow Times is not a reliable source and is often full of shit, I would be the first to agree with you. However, the Moscow Times and RiaNovosti both reported Razvozzhayev not only had a bullet removed from his back, but that it was Razvozzhayev who called the attention of doctors to its existence and location.

                  http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/prosecutors-20-year-old-bullet-found-in-razvozzhayevs-back/474193.html

                  I feel a little uncomfortable being the one to point out to you that “lawyer” and “liar” sound almost the same when you’re drunk for a reason. Because they sometimes have a lot in common, and some of them take the responsibility of defending their client under much greater consideration than the responsibility to tell the truth.

            • Dear Marc,

              To answer your three questions:

              1. I have read (admittedly in translation) statements by Udaltsov that admit he is in the meeting in the video. You yourself say he admits meeting some Georgians The video undoubtedly was edited in transmission but that does not it seems to me affect its value as evidence. It will be the original unedited video that will have to be produced at trial. Incidentally, what you accuse NTV of is not so very terrible or original. Wasn’t it CNN that confused film of riots in Athens with the protests in Moscow and Associated Press which showed photos of the pro Putin protest on 4th February 2012 saying they were photos of the much smaller anti Putin protest on the same day?

              2. I don’t know why Konstantin Lebedev is in detention. Possibly the Investigative Committee think that he would run away if he was released. As I know nothing about Konstantin Lebedev I cannot say.

              3. If you read the comments that have been made on this blog you will see that I have expressed my own opinion on the Razvozzhaev affair at some length. I believe that he was probably abducted from Kiev by the Russian secret service. I have also said that I find nothing surprising or shocking about this and that it happens around the world all the time especially in cases of people suspected of what in the west would undoubtedly be called intended terrorist activity (as Razvozzhaev is). I don’t know whether he was tortured or not. If he was then it was totally and completely wrong.

              • yalensis says:

                Konstantin Lebedev is one of the 3 Russian guys in the NTV video meeting with Givi Targamadze in the secret Minsk meeting. I won’t even bother saying “allegedly”, because the video is clearly NOT a fake. (Although the transmitted version of the video was edited and had some misleading sound mixing, that’s true.)
                Lebedev is also allegedly the guy who relayed Givi’s orders to Udaltsov whilst Udaltsov was speaking from the podium at Bolotnaya. The crowd was about to disperse, but Givi, who was following events realtime (via Skype, or something), ordered Lebedev to relay to Udaltsov to keep the action going. So, Lebedev is a major player, conspirator, and revolutionary. No surprise that he’s in the slammer. The only mystery is why is Udaltsov still walking free??

                • yalensis says:

                  And P.S. I agree with Mercouris that Raz was probably kidnapped from Kiev and brought back to Russia against his will. That’s a no-brainer. I’m okay with that, since he was plotting insurrection and NATO takeover of Kaliningrad. I wouldn’t be okay with it, if I thought he had been tortured. Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter what.

                • marknesop says:

                  “Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter what.”

                  The funny thing is, Americans know this. In what I consider to be a seminal work on the subject, the U.S. National Defense Intelligence College released “Educing Information. Interrogation: Science and Art – Foundations for the Future” in 2006, for senior Intelligence professionals, and was chartered for the project in 2002. Many of those involved were professional litigators, and the board pointed out in the initial pages the example of captured American servicemen in the Korean War who had confessed to dropping germ-warfare bombs on civilian population centres – something they not only never did, but which never happened at all. Obviously, good American boys being forced by cruel torture to admit such a savage crime enraged Americans back home.

                  But if you were looking for a bogeyman to blame for the softening American attitude to smacking prisoners around and the “us first – if they know something, do what you gotta do to get it out of them” doctrine, you could do worse than this; “And what are we to make of “public opinion”? Unfortunately, that is a relatively easy question. Prime-time television increasingly offers up plot lines involving the incineration of metropolitan Los Angeles by an atomic weapon or its depopulation by an aerosol nerve toxin. The characters do not have the time to reflect upon, much less to utilize, what real professionals know to be the “science and art” of “educing information.” They want results. Now. The public thinks the same way. They want, and rightly expect, precisely the kind of “protection” that only a skilled intelligence professional can provide. Unfortunately, they have no idea how such a person is supposed to act “in real life.”

                  Is there a theme here? Yes, a simple one. Prime time television is not just entertainment. It is “adult education.” We should not be surprised when the public (and many otherwise law-abiding lawyers) applaud when an actor threatens the “hostile du jour” with pain or mayhem unless he or she answers a few pointed questions before the end of the episode. The writers craft the script using “extreme” measures because they assume, as our own government has, that police-state tactics studied for defensive purposes can be “reverse engineered” and morphed into cost-effective, “offensive” measures.

                  Republicans, during the days of infamy in which the shameful photos of Abu Ghraib were released, frequently spoke of Jack Bauer (played by Kiefer Sutherland, who is a Canadian, son of Canadian actor Donald Sutherland) from the popular television program “24″ as if he were a real person.

                • cartman says:

                  If Kiev was in on it, then it was extradition, not kidnapping. No different for our good friend Victor Bout. Black people “loot” white people “find”. As for torture allegations… you have to take the word of an armed robber.

              • marc says:

                I’d like to see those comments. I spoke to Udaltsov today and asked him specifically about this – he said he never met Givi, never planned any bombings, etc, and the quality of the footage is so bad even he can’t be sure if he is featured in the footage. But he said even if was him, it was a montage, as there was no meeting with Givi to discuss how to overthrow Putin.

                • marknesop says:

                  Not to insert myself into the conversation or anything, but why would he say he couldn’t be sure if it was him if he was sure he was not there and had never met Givi? I’m curious why he’s such a shrinking violet now, when he’s previously been quite vocal in his desires for the government to be overthrown and has even shouted angrily at people he’s seen leaving demonstrations from his observation point on the stage? He’s all for direct confrontation with the government and violence as a consequence appears perfectly acceptable to him, so why is it hard to believe he would conspire with foreign allies to overthrow the government or would shrink from violence as a provocation?

                  I can’t claim to have had any experience with perpetrators of major crimes, but I’ve met plenty of minor wrongdoers and I don’t think one has ever confessed up front that he was guilty of what he was accused of doing. The “wasn’t me” defense is pretty common and tends to persist until there’s nothing left to hold it up. And I submit that if one were guilty of wrongdoing, the last person one would confess to – except maybe for the judge – would be a journalist.

                • Dear Marc,

                  I hate to call time on this but in light of the fact that criminal proceedings against Udaltsov are underway I think it would be best if we do not on a forum like this engage with Udaltsov even indirectly about things Udaltsov at present should be discussing with his lawyer and which will be the subject of his forthcoming trial. I say this because one possible interpretation of your comment is that Udaltsov whilst denying a meeting with Targamadze and denying plotting with Targamadze is at the same time opening himself up to an admission that he is the person in the video. I don’t know who reads this forum and I don’t want to get involved in discussions that might put Udaltsov in an even worse position than the one he is in already.

              • marc says:

                Why do you all assume that if i report/pass on what someone said i agree with it or support the statement? I’m not arguing either way for the bullet, Just thought it was interesting…

                • marc says:

                  Fair enough. Very thoughtful of you. It’s nothing he hasn’t said, in as many words, to Russian media though.
                  http://lenta.ru/articles/2012/10/19/udal/

                • marknesop says:

                  What would be the interest in it if the attorney was right, and it was completely fabricated? It’s only interesting if it’s true, and the default position you staked out is that it is not. “I just report what I hear” is Fred Weir’s go-to defense as well, and yet his reporting is relentlessly anti-government, as is your own. His excuse there is that it’s incredibly hard to get interviews with anyone in government, while opposition figures are eager to talk to the press. That’s likely because the foreign press is all they have.

                  But I like to think I’m reasonable and open-minded; by all means point me in the direction of any of your pro-government reporting.

                • marc says:

                  That would be logical, if i had reported it. But i didn’t. I simply mentioned it on this forum.
                  “Pro-government” reporting? No. You might find this interesting though.
                  http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20120705/174421636.html

  38. Moscow Exile says:

    Do I detect in this RIAN article criticism of “the regime”?

    Is not such criticism punishable with death by polonium?

    That’s what people in the West are led to believe, isn’t it?

    Whose interests doe RIAN serve?

    Is this an example of objective journalism?

  39. marknesop says:

    Also according to RIAN, Russia to reintroduce railway-based ICBM’s. The new ones are said to be significantly smaller and lighter than their Soviet-era predecessors. According to the wet ends at RIAN, launching missiles from moving trains “makes them more difficult to track”, and according to “prominent Russian military expert” Alexander Konovalov of the Institute for Strategic Assessment – yet another Moscow think tank dedicated to strengthening civil society and promoting democracy – they are both a “bad idea” and designed to respond to U.S. plans to position elements of its missile defense system in Eastern Europe.

    I doubt anyone really thinks that launching a ballistic missile from a moving train makes it harder to track – that’s likely the gavnuki at RIAN being too much in a hurry for coffee break to do any research (or thinking), and a ballistic profile is a ballistic profile regardless its point of origin. The true inspiration for this cold-war retro is found in the real purpose for the U.S. missile defense system, which is to provide a mop-up capability in reserve to take out those ICBM’s remaining to Russia after the bulk have been taken out in their silos by a preemptive first strike. The success of such a strike relies heavily on the position of the silos being known, and being immovable. There are a limited number of backup interceptors, and I doubt they’re expecting to have to deal with much more than 20 missiles surviving a first strike. The more ICBM’s whose position is unknown and unsuitable for destruction by launch against preset coordinates, the more complicated the problem and the stronger the argument against a preemptive strike. All just theoretical, of course, because both countries have pledged not to be first to use a nuclear strike. But just the possibility that one or the other could do so and survive – or even eliminate – counterattack strongly affects negotiating positions. On the other hand, only one nation has ever used them before.

    Not a lot of information available for prominent expert Konovalov, but I hope he knows military hardware better than he knows energy brinksmanship. Here he is last month, offering his opinion that the EU now has so many sources of energy supply available to choose from that Moscow’s ability to use energy supplies for leverage is severely curtailed, and Putin might just as well throw in the towel and play politics by the EU’s rules. A position from which, he argues, it would already start at a disadvantage because of – you guessed it – its human-rights record.

    Don’t give up your day job, Sasha.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Yeah, the expression “human rights record” targetted against Russia is like a mind-numbing stuck needle on an old grammophone. Meanwhile, news is out from USA best buddy Saudia Arabia that a Sri Lankan servant-girl was at last beheaded yesterday. She had been sentenced to death in 2007 after a child, the offspring of her wealthy employer, apparantly choked while feeding from a baby-bottle. The father wanted her charged with murder. She was – and found guilty. She was only 17 at the time – and couldn’t speak a word of Arabic.

      What?

      What-about-ism?

      Sorry!

    • kirill says:

      I posted on this in one of your previous articles. This clown has no clue about Russia’s military capability or he is simply lying. Even if the railway line is known, a well camouflaged missile train traveling back and forth is very hard to pin down to facilitate a preemptive strike. Russia’s rail lines span thousands of kilometers and cannot be wiped out in a single strike either.

      The “human rights record” smear is standard cold war propaganda. The US doesn’t do so well when you examine the actual record as opposed to this Pavlovian trigger phrase.

      • I would just add to this discussion about railway based ICBMs that the fact that Russia is now able to field large numbers of road mobile ICBMs and is now able to contemplate developing a railway based ICBM that will be only half the weight of the earlier railway based ICBM shows that there has been a quantum leap over the last twenty years within the Russian chemical industry in developing solid fuel engines for ballistic missiles. During the 1960s and 1970s it was a common and for once true trope that the US was far ahead of the USSR in solid fuel technology so that the USSR was obliged even in its submarine based ICBMs to use liquid fuel. The first generation of solid fuel submarine based ICBMs, which were carried by the Typhoon/Akula class of submarine, were simply enormous, which was the reason for the gigantic size of those submarines. The fact that Russia is now fielding road based solid fuel ICBMs like Topol and Yars and dimensionally small submarine based ICBMs like Bulava and is now considering developing a new generation of light railway based ICBMs shows that this extremely difficult technology has now been fully mastered.

        • marknesop says:

          A commenter on the original article inquired whether Russia was going to be able to hide all its railroads, and suggested railway intersections and the like would be attractive targets for western cruise missiles.

          Cruise missiles from where? I can promise you that if things had reached the stage where western military forces had closed to within cruise-missile range of the Russian homeland and international relations were at a stage that a first strike had already been launched by the west, those missiles would not be shuttling back and forth on a railroad somewhere, they would be in the air. Some people apparently think the cruise missile has intercontinental ranges. Quite apart from that, the launch platform for the cruise missile has to know where the target is. That’s why putting them on a moving train complicates things. By the time your missile arrives at the coordinates you set, the target is somewhere else. It’s quite true that sophisticated cruise missiles like later versions of Tomahawk can proceed to target based on a digital photograph, and you can theoretically select the window you want it to hit in, say, a government office building. But the building has to be on the flight path you set in for the missile at launch. It won’t seek out and then hit the precise car that contains a portable ICBM on a moving train. You have to have eyes on the target for that, and that typically is quite doable against third-world or emerging natins which do not have an air force or comprehensive air surveillance capability. That, I’m afraid, would not accurately describe Russia.

  40. I understand that the opposition media in Russia has been circulating what it says is a letter from an orphan who has supposedly written to Putin begging to be adopted by his US family so that he can receive treatment in the US for his medical condition. Peskov has however said that Putin has received no such letter whilst the director of the institution in which the orphan lives denies that the orphan wrote it.

    If this letter is indeed a fabrication,as seems to be the case, then in my opinion this is the single most cynical and indeed deplorable act anyone has done during the whole of this saga. Putin and the Russian authorities have been vilified for abusing children for political purposes (“Herod’s law” etc). What more grotesque form of abuse for political purposes is there than to forge a letter from an orphan in order to score a political point?

    • marknesop says:

      According, once again, to State Department figures, children aged 13-17 are the most miniscule group likely to be adopted, and under 1 year (infants) are by far the preference – probably because their language base is not formed and they can be brought up as easily in English as anything else.

      I was in favour of all the adoptions which were already on the books proceeding to conclusion, and the law affecting only new ones – no new applications will be entertained. But if this is a phony, no effort should be spared to find out who is responsible and expose them. If this child exists and already had a family waiting, there is no chance that it will be repeated (statistically speaking) because of his age. But an exception would have to be made nonetheless for all those others whose process had already started. And then the Great Dictator would be deluged with tearjerker stories of those who had established communications with Americans wanting to adopt them, and on and on it would go.

      Otherwise, the law is the law, and publishing the requests of a child to break the law – implying support for the child’s position – is as specious as “Child begs Putin to let him drive while intoxicated” or “Child begs Putin to let him vote”.

  41. kirill says:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-08/canada-oilsands-boom-bypassing-factory-workers-economy.html

    The above is something for all the “Russia’s GDP depends on oil” nitwits should chew on:

    “for every natural resource job that’s been added in Canada since the end of 2007, more than 15 factory jobs have been lost”

    Looks like Canada is becoming a country whose GDP depends on oil. The key point here is that you can’t explain Russian GDP growth across *all* sectors with oil and natural gas. And the numbers don’t add up anyway since only 15% (rapidly dropping) of Russia’s nominal GDP is due to oil and gas exports.

  42. kirill says:

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130110/178693553/Russias_Economy_Still_Mostly_Unfree_-.html

    Another gem of excrement. So Georgia is 21st and Russia is 139th and in the league of Guinea-Bissau, etc. The trope about Russia’s growth being driven by oil is repeated. LOL. LOL. LOL.

    These Heritage Foundation monkeys and their transparently biased index are a total joke. Let’s consider Russia’s GDP growth. It was over 7% in 2004 and then dropped as oil prices increased. In fact, it has not recovered its pre-2005 rates since and the stratospheric oil prices in 2008 resulted in a big GDP drop in 2009 with the great financial meltdown (China did not experience the pain of the EU and North America). The inane “Russia GDP growth = oil prices increase” theory should have at least produced a positive correlation.

    • Dear Kirill,

      The utter absurdity of this argument is that China and Vietnam and of course Russia, whose economies are supposedly “unfree”, are growing faster than places like Estonia and Georgia whose economies supposedly are “free”. By the way a friend of mine who recently went to Tallinn (I have never been there) told me that the whole town has now been taken over by the international sex industry and that there is now a sex shop or a striptease on every corner. I suppose that’s just another way in which Estonia’s economy is now free.

      As for the Heritage Foundation, nobody should take the burblings of such a well known ultra right wing neocon think tank with its well know Ayn Rand agenda seriously. The problem is that instead of laughing at the nonsense the Heritage Foundation spouts out there are some people in Russia who for their own reasons want to take it seriously.

      • kirill says:

        These intellectually insulting indices are popular in the media and amongst some bloggers. Like the Transparency International “corruption perceptions index”. How can anyone take seriously a metric that measures opinions and not the physical parameters it is allegedly designed to measure? I guess it’s due to my science background that I get riled by such anti-scientific crap. These subjectivist indices are being passed off as objective which they are not by design.

        Anyway, as they say in Russia: “the dog keeps barking but the caravan moves on”. All the barking from Russia haters isn’t stopping Russia from progressing. In fact, the barking is doing more long term damage to the dogs than the focus of their hate. All those non-investments in the Russian economy are clear examples of lost opportunities and they result in more benefits for Russian investors who are not squeezed out by rich foreign investors.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Dear Alexander Mercouris,

        Sad to hear that about Tallinn – a place I know quite well. The same thing happened to Riga after Lithuania had joined the EU. I rememember about 7 years ago when they were almost giving seats away for flights from the UK to Latvia – sex tourists and their spending being the target of the operation.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          Riga is in Latvia, of course, though I’m willing to bet there has been a burgeoning in the sex industry in Lithuania as well.

        • yalensis says:

          I share your disappointment. In Soviet times, both Tallinn and Riga were thriving, beautiful cities, centers of commerce and European culture. (And Gruzia, by the way, was also thriving and prosperous, but look how far it has fallen…)

          • Misha says:

            In terms of standard of living, the Russian SFSR wasn’t best off of former Soviet republics – something that contradicts the idea of a Russian dominated union exploiting others.

            Likewise, the USSR didn’t have the highest standard of livng among Warsaw Pact countries.

          • kirill says:

            They only have themselves to blame.

  43. apc27 says:

    Have anyone Guardian’s latest invitation to mock and denigrate Gerard Depardieu? http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/shortcuts/2013/jan/07/gerard-depardieu-russia-caption-competition

    They asked for people’s best “witticisms”… and of course Guardian readers happily obliged to a tune of 600+ comments, needless to say the absolute majority of them are just insults and have nothing to do with wit.

    I expected certain amount of vitriol on this issue, but this is getting ridiculous. Depardieu, to my knowledge, never tried to insult France or its people. Even his spat with the Government is essentially a personal one, he did not try to portray himself as a champion or a martyr or challenged its legitimacy.

    Depardieu is genuinely better of financially in Russia. He is also very popular there. He is also, by all accounts, still going to live most of the time on France’s doorstep in Belgium. His is a very rational decision, so where the hell is all that butthurt coming from?

    • kirill says:

      That’s what it is, butthurt. From a bunch of sore losers. If I were a typical credulous citizen of an English-speaking country I would start reevaluating the role of the media and the quality of the “news” it produces. There is not the least bit of decorum in such sub-tabloid “journalism” from a supposedly non-tabloid (as in sex scandals of the rich and famous 24/7) paper. What’s next for the Guardian, hidden cameras in toilets?

    • marknesop says:

      Like I say, there’s no such thing as bad attention, and this will be great for Depardieu’s name recognition. Except for a couple of great film roles, people were probably beginning to forget who he was, and it’s astonishing how similar notoriety is to popularity. He’ll get a certain amount of sympathy, and even his most vocal critics would be pleased to be associated with him for the notice it would atttract to themselves.

    • yalensis says:

      The Navalnyites were way ahead of the game: they were competing with each other for mockatory laurels at Depardieu’s expense already a week ago:

      http://navalny.livejournal.com/763299.html

      They think they’re being witty. Oscar Wilde was witty. Navalny and his hamsters are not witty.

      Why the need to degrade Depardieu?
      Well, obviously, because he doesn’t hate Russia. That makes him a heretic! Everybody should throw stones at him.

      • I gather the KPRF is offering to make Depardieu a member on the grounds that his father was a member of the French Communist Party. If he accepts the offer he will be the first tax exile in history to have declared himself a Communist.

        Depardieu doubtless “defected” to Russia for selfish financial reasons. The same however was also true of a long catalogue of defectors from the USSR including various ballet dancers, musicians, chess players, sports personalities, scientists etc. Whenever they defected these people were hailed in the west as heroes and were instantly granted political asylum though the grounds for thinking that these highly privileged individuals had been politically persecuted back home was generally non existent. Now that this is happening in reverse some people in the west are not too happy, thus the sarcastic comments about Depardieu. Too bad. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander as a welll known English proverb says.

  44. Misha says:

    The irony doesn’t stop:

    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2013/01/window-on-eurasia-protests-political.html

    Consider the venues prone to propping the author of the above, unlike some others with valid views different from his.

    The coverage improves by bringing on board those who aren’t subservient to the ongoing imperfections evident at the more high profile of venues.

  45. marknesop says:

    “Well it is now clear that the story of the letter is a straightforward fabrication. It looks to me like someone’s stupid attempt at a provocation to try to drum up support prior to Udaltsov’s forthcoming march. I think this is one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard.”

    That’s Showbiz, man. There are people who study every single human transaction from a viewpoint of how it could be manipulated or spun to create or maintain a desired impression, and I would be surprised not to find a Public-Relations firm behind it, since spin and lobbying of public opinion constitute their stock in trade – like Hill & Knowlton, spinners of the Iraq war from the vantage point of PR shell “Citizens for a Free Kuwait”. Hill & Knowlton is British-owned (the WPP Group), and in fact its blatant fabrications in support of getting American public behind the invasion of Iraq should have been disclosed by law (Foreign Agents Registration Act) to the American public (British company, Kuwaiti clients), but the Justice Department chose not to enforce it.

    http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Nurse_Nayirah

    Hill & Knowlton’s Canada offices advertise themselves under the header “Experts in Thought Leadership”.

    http://www.google.ca/search?q=Hill+%26+Knowlton+PR&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&redir_esc=&ei=BjPvUKiePIHG2wWyxoDQAQ

  46. marknesop says:

    “…an American couple have been visiting the orphan in question since they got to know him in 1996.”

    Wow. Sixteen years – the adoption process is even worse than I thought. I was pretty sure the article in Komosomolets said he was 14. These kindly Americans began visiting him when he was only a twinkle in daddy’s eye, apparently.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      My error! I only quickly skimmed through the article, which says:

      С американцами Дайаной и Милом Уоллен из штата Вирджиния мальчик познакомился семь лет назад: иностранцы с 1996 года каждое лето приезжали в интернат с благотворительной миссией – ремонтировали здание.

      Seven years ago the boy met Diane and Mil Wallen, Americans from Virginia. Since 1996 the foreigners have been coming to the orphanage every summer on a charity mission to repair the building.

      And here’s how the British Daily Mail reports the story.

      Note how the Mail describes the orphanage as “grim”.

      What interests me is this: Couldn’t such good natured folk as the Wallens find a grim orphnage nearer to home?

      • marknesop says:

        What interests me is that the Americans have been visiting the boy for seven years, and either just initiated formal adoption procedures a year or so ago (it takes more than a year, sometimes two) or did not offer to adopt the boy at all – but suddenly he has a chance to go to America to get his medical condition treated and it is only evil Putin who stands in his way. What put the thought in his head that the Americans were going to take him with them, if they have been coming and going every year for seven years and not doing it?

        • marknesop says:

          Okay, I said that before I read it, but I still doubt they ever offered to adopt him – the paper isn’t even sure of their names. The “we applied to adopt him a year ago” sounds fishy to me.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        What gets me about this story is this: both in British and Russian newspapers the boy Max is reported as describing this US couple as “my American family”, though he has not yet been adopted. The Mail only states that moves for his adoption were “going through its final hurdles”.

        The Mail journalist also describes the orphanage in question as “grim”, though I very much doubt he has ever been there. And a certain Margarita Pavlova, who is described as “the regional children’s rights envoy in the region” – envoy from whom, from which organization? – is quoted in the Mail report as saying: “Maxim has strong relations with his American family and I do not think those bonds should be broken”.

        Who are these Wallens? For the past 16 years they have been travelling half-way across the world to help in rebuilding a “grim” Chelyabinsk orphanage?

        Sixteen years! That’s some job!

        Are they skilled building tradesmen? Are they carpenters, plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, plasterers etc? Are there no such tradesmen in Chelyabinsk?

        When in Chelyabinsk these past 16 summers, were the Wallens up early every morning and hard at it laying bricks or re-wiring the building or laying drains etc? Or have they any other skills that will have contributed to this16-year-long rebuilding of the orphanage?

        Are there no “grim” orphanages for “Native Americans” on reservations in, say, Arizona, which is a damn site closer to home than Chelyabinsk is? Are there no run down orphanages in the USA that house abandoned Hispanic or Afro-American kids?

        Or are the Wallens just “slumming” in their chosen “third-world” country?

        And also spreading “the word of God”?

        I know a few Russians who have got pretty brassed off with such folk as the Wallens who arrive here to save them from their misery, be it spiritual or temporal. If I were a Russian, I would get pissed off with such “charitable” actions as well.

        In the early ’90s there used to be an English language bookshop in Moscow called Angliya: it sold books that were mostly academic and published in the UK. The bookshop also organized English language discussion groups on a wide variety of topics and there were always notices in Angliya inviting people to attend these meetings, especially native speakers of English. The main speakers at these meetings were usually Russian academics from philological or pedagogical institutes; sometimes speakers from the US or British Embassies attended, as well as guest speakers from the American-Russian Chamber of Commerce and the British Council.

        Whenever Russian acquaintances asked me how they could get more practice in their spoken English, I often recommended that they visit the “Angliya English Language Debating Club”, as it was called.

        Time passed and then one day about 10 years ago, for the first time in many years, somebody asked me where she could get more English speaking practice. She was, in fact, a long standing close friend of mine. Again, I recommended the Angliya club. Her reaction surprised me. She told me that she and her like-minded student acquaintances had attended this club but had already stopped doing so many years previously because it appeared to have been taken over by eager Americans who constantly approached the Russian visitors with words like: “Hi! I’d like to tell you the good news about Jesus Christ who died for our sins so that we could live life everlasting!”

        Now I’m quite sure that these preachers really believed in the righteousness of their mission to Russia; I’m also sure, however, that they will never have understood the negative reactions off many Russians to their proselytizing, especially to the reaction of the woman who first informed me of it: she eventually told them to stop pestering her every week. (She is a devout ROC believer.)

        I have the strong suspiscion that the Wallens are more skilled in preaching the word of their God than in laying bricks and their mission is to save Russians by the deliverance of their souls from the Evil Empire.

        Some may want that and, indeeed, be most grateful for the benevolence of such kind folk as the Wallens are; others – the majority, I believe – don’t like it.

        And others see the Wallens as a means of deposing someone whom, for whatever reason, they detest, and whose downfall is imperative even if it should mean chaos and disorder are its consequence.

        • marknesop says:

          Well, I have a friend who took a few months off a couple of years ago and went to Chad or someplace like that to help build a school (just your usual hand-laid clay brick sort of deal), and I thought he was an absolute prince for doing it. I would not disparage the Wallens even if they did try to sneak in the odd sermon, or if all they did was wash the floors. It’s still great of them to donate their time to do what they obviously think is helping, and I have no doubt they have established a relationship with some of the children at the facility.

          I’m just curious why they would wait to adopt him until he was 13 years old, at his most rebellious and presumably with a condition he has had all his life, when they’ve known him since he was 6. Western references lead the reader to believe the condition could be cured easily in the USA, while the hopeless Russians apparently don’t even know what it is. So…they let him suffer with it for 6 years before deciding to end his martyrdom to his disease? Hey, maybe they didn’t have the money, I don’t know, but I’d bet Maxim would rather they saved the airfare for a couple of years and got him out when he was 8.

          It also seems to me that the Anglosphere is digging hard for these stories; hard-luck tearjerkers that will mobilize public opinion to start howling for Putin to back down and let adoptions resume. It would affect a tiny number of children, but it would be an enormous PR victory for the west.

          Meanwhile, the numbers of Americans living in poverty are currently the highest in the 52 years for which the rates have been published.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Praiseworthy though charitable works in Chad may well be, I hardly think that the socio-economic needs of Chelyabinsk and its population are in any way comparible with those of the former French colony and now central African republic of Chad, which state, according to the United Nations’ Human Development Index, ranks as the seventh poorest country in the world, with 80% of the population living below the poverty line.

            • marknesop says:

              True enough, although I just stabbed at Chad at random; somewhere in Africa is what I meant, I can’t recall exactly. He showed me a lot of pictures but it was pretty much all trees and a field and some mud bricks – could have been New Jersey.

              I just don’t want to get into slagging the Wallens, who probably are decent and kindhearted altruists who feel like they owe the world something for their own good fortune; there aren’t nearly enough people like that. And when you second-guess any kind act, you can always – through the lens of distance and time – find someplace where the help was needed even more or would have been more effective. I imagine, as i suggested, that there is a focused effort to find these human-interest vignettes which will wrench at people’s hearts and make them mutter, “Damn you to hell, Putin”. The more pathos, the better, and if anyone does manufactured piety or pathos better than an English tabloid, I’ve yet to see it.

          • yalensis says:

            Reading the story again (see my comment in above thread), I get the sense that the Wallens have been jerking Max around. He was obviously desperate for attention, and they had to keep explaining to him year after year why they couldn’t spend more time with him. Maybe he kept asking, “When can I go home with you?” and they made up some story about how the paperwork was still in process, etc.

            And yeah, they’re Christian missionaries, obviously….. This whole missionary thing started in the 90′s, under Boris the Drunk. MIssionaries are a crucial component of any Western colonization attempts. The Wallens probably putter around the orphanage for a few days every year, do a bit of spackling, spread the word of god… Unfortunately for them, lonely little Max latched onto them like a lost kitten.

            If I were Putin, I would tell the Wallens to put up or shut up: “Here, take the kid. Here are his papers. Go.” And then I would promptly ask the Duma to pass a law forbidding entry into Russia for born-again Christian missionaries from the United States.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              Oh, I’ve met quite a few of these missionaries: they all have that light in their eyes, know what I mean?

              Something like this.

              But worse are their Russian converts.

              Like I always say: there’s nothing worse than a reformed whore.
              :-)

            • marknesop says:

              I’d be careful of projecting what might have happened or been said between Maxim and the Wallens, because we really have no idea. But they are entirely secondary to whoever is amping this story and tweaking it with fabricated details like Maxim pleading with Putin to let him go. Because, obviously, Putin getting exasperated and saying, “Take him. Go” is exactly the reaction they are looking for. It’s either a law, or it isn’t, and as soon as you make an exception, it isn’t. Then Russia would be snowed under with heatbreaking stories of limbless children being denied the chance to get new limbs in America and go on to become world gymnastics champions and so forth, it’d be a propaganda lollapalooza. And the west will always win the propaganda war in the Englidsh-speaking press.

      • marknesop says:

        “Couldn’t such good natured folk as the Wallens find a grim orphnage nearer to home?”

        Oh, I daresay they could. Let’s see…it’s just over 5,600 miles as the crow flies from Virginia to Chelyabinsk. They could have gone, say, 1,200 miles or so and reached Texas – where Rick “Niagrahead” Perry remains Governor, and helped some poor boy in a Texas Youth Commission detention center, where we learn you can be incarcerated for 6 months for truancy and throwing rocks. There, they could save a boy from living in a facility where there is shit on the walls, and rape by prison guards. Not like an orphanage really, though, is it. All right, maybe they could go a mere 780 miles, to La Russell, Missouri, and rescue a teenage girl from the faith-based New Beginnings Ministries, where girls can be punished by a week of standing facing the wall for 10 hours a day, with breaks only for worship and two bathroom breaks (accompanied by an escort), for speaking to another girl outside the from-6-to-9 PM-on-Fridays when it was allowed. Jeez; I’d tell the cops – that can’t be legal. Oh, wait – it is; faith-based institutions are not regulated by the state, and can do pretty much whatever they please.

        Meanwhile, the Anglosphere’s media machine is hyping the Evil-Putin-Destroyer-Of-Children’s-Dreams theme for all it’s worth.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          They seem all right people (the Wallens) from what I’ve read that Yalensis has found out about them. (See his translation synopsis above)

          It seems they like doing charitable works and I suppose Russia for them is not too third-worldy too become uncomfortable for them.

          In short, as on old Irish pal of mine used to say: It’s nice being nice!

          I still, howeverer, believe what the Russians themselves seem to believe when they say:

          Своя рубашка ближе к телу.

          • yalensis says:

            Yeah, but I think I changed my mind about the Wallens. I think they’ve been been jerking Max around. Or maybe not. Maybe they’re wonderful people. I don’t know. I have to admit that I am very prejudiced against Christian missionaries.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              So am I.

              All hail to Woden!

              (And always retaliate first!)
              :-)

              • yalensis says:

                Jesus stressed the same point: “Do unto others before they do unto you…”
                And Buddha was known for his famous line: “In this dog-eat-dog world it’s every man for himself!”
                See, all great religions basically say the same thing… just in different ways.

                • What is really infuriating about the Daily Mail article is that whilst it reports the denial by the authorities that the letter from the orphan was ever written it goes on to discuss the case as if the letter was written. As William Randolph Hearst once said, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

                • Jen says:

                  Sometimes I wonder if British newspapers are hiring frustrated second-rate novelists over journalists who then start using the same template to write “stories”. When is an orphanage in eastern Europe and beyond anything other than “grim”?

      • Alina Israeli says:

        There aren’t any in Virginia, grim or not grim. Nor in neighboring Maryland. Nor anywhere in the US. Sorry to disappoint you. They could have gone south to Latin America, I suppose for a slightly shorter flight.

        • marknesop says:

          Well, they could have gone to the Bedford Group Homes (1185 Turning Point Road, Bedford, Virginia) and picked up a child the same age as Max, no problem (children 10-18). According to their “About” page, the majority of their children “return home or go to a foster home within one year”, although some stay to the maximum and then join an independent living program.

          That’s an orphanage, in everything but name, although it looks a beautiful facility, and although somebody has to pay for it (and it isn’t cheap, at $198.00 per day). The USA has gotten around the stigma of “orphanages” by calling them “group homes” or “resident care facilities”. The Bedford Group Home featured is certainly not an example of grim; in fact, it looks like an upscale private hospital inside, and the maximum residency is only about 25. However, there certainly are orphanages in the United States. Here are some more, in the State of Virginia. If you click on the plus sign to expand the directory for ABS LINCS VA INC., for example, you will see that it offers “Children Residential Services”, and another expansion will show you “Gateway House”. Gateway House is listed as a mental health facility, but it offers residential services for children, presumably those whose parents don’t want them or cannot cope with them.

          Here’s a directory of Christian Orphanages worldwide. Many are in the USA, although they are called group homes or wilderness camps for boys or whatever.

          There are hundreds of thousands of children in the United States who are without parents for various reasons, and who are looking for permanent homes through adoption or for foster homes. They have to live somewhere while they’re waiting, and it probably does not make a difference if you call such a facility a group home or an orphanage. And I can imagine some of them are rather more spartan than the Bedford Group Homes.

  47. yalensis says:

    And still a few more details on the Adagamov alleged rape scandal:

    http://www.dni.ru/society/2013/1/10/246334.html

    According to this, the girl (alleged victim) didn’t start spilling the beans until she was 16 years old. At that time, suffering from depression, she went to see a doctor and started blurting it out, how Adagamov (her step-father) had allegedly been molesting her since the age of 12.
    Since this occurred in Norway, the law there apparently draws the line at the age of 16. Under that age, and the doctor or any caregiver is obliged by law to report the alleged incident to the police for a criminal investigation. At the age of 16, however, everything changes, the victim is considered an adult and can decide for herself whether or not to disclose. The girl decided at the time to keep the matter a secret, so her doctor did not disclose to the police. It was only later, when her mom (?) Tatiana Delsal found out what was going on, that the sh*t hit the fan.

    There are different laws in different countries. In some countries the girl would have still been considered a minor, and the psychiatrist would have had no option except to break confidentiality, pick up the phone, and call the police.
    In any case, Delsal says she is determined to pursue a criminal case in both Norway and Russia, against her ex-husband Adagamov, whom she accuses of being a sly manipulator and paedophile.
    Since Adagamov is a member of the Opposition coordinating Committee, and Norway is a member of NATO, I am betting that Norway will refuse to undertake any case gainst him. They will say that he is innocent and that the whole thing is a put-up job on the part of the Kremlin.

    • marknesop says:

      I bet not. Maybe Norway will downplay it, not report it at all or report it in as subdued a fashion as it can get away with, but they wouldn’t try and cast it as a Kremlin provocation unless the girl was dead, otherwise incapable of blowing the whole thing by reporting the true story or they were otherwise sure of her cooperation. You may have noticed now is not a very good time to mess with the Russian government.

  48. Moscow Exile says:

    Serdyukov turned up today for his second meeting with the IC. No reports so far of his questioning.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      It must have been a short meeting. ITAR-TASS simply reports that he turned up in a Mercedes with smoked windows at 10 o’clock with his lawyer, swept past a gaggle of journalists that were waiting for him … and that’s it.

      It’s 1 o’clock now.

      He’s probably having tea and buiscuits in a 13-rom apartment now, somewhere in Moscow.
      :-)

      • The news is that Serdyukov refused to answer any questions citing his Constitutional Right to silence. This is based on the principle that a suspect does not have to provide answers that are self incriminating.

        Well, if this was the US we would not be supposed to draw any inferences from this silence but let us instead follow British practice and do so:

        1. Giiven what we already know about this affair, I don’t think there can be any remaining doubt that Serdyukov is in this up to his ears. I wonder by the way if he and his associates have been taking kickbacks from western arms manufacturers for some of the western weapons they have imported. That is very common in the international arms trade. It might explain some of the more bizarre deals like the one to buy armoured vehicles from IVECO of Italy when Russia produces excellent armoured vehicles itself or sniper rifles from Austria when Russia also produces outstanding sniper rifles. If that is the case then this scandal would rise to stratosphere and would gain an international dimension.

        2. Since Serdyukov is refusing to answer questions he cannot logically be a witness.

        3. It is now certain beyond doubt that the investigation by the Investigative Committee is a genuine investigative and is not window dressing or a formality and that the questions the Investigative Committee put to Serdyukov are real questions and not pretend questions. That is why he refused to answer them. If an order has been given by someone to the Investigative Committee to lay off Serdyukov then obviously it is being ignored. Personally I still doubt that such an order was ever given, at least by Putin who realistically is the only person who could have given it.

        Unfortunately this still doesn’t mean that a prosecution of Serdyukov is inevitable. However Markin who appears to be the Investigative Committee’s spokesman says that Serdyukov’s status may now change and that he may cease to be only a witness. Does that mean he is about to become a suspect? We will see.

        • I would just add that I understand that rather than answer questions Serdyukov provided the Investigative Committee with a statement in which he purported to give his own account of the whole affair. Needless to say the fact that he had already heard the Investigative Committee’s questions on the occasion of his previous visit would have helped him prepare this statement.

          The fact that he has given a statement will no doubt be cited by Serdyukov and by his lawyer as proof that he is cooperating with the investigation. In reality such statements are a common device used by individuals who do not want to answer questions. It is clear that the Investigative Committee was not satisfied with it. Indeed to a professional police investigator such statements actually give rise to more suspicions than a suspect’s (or witness’s?) simple refusal to answer questions since it is in reality nothing other than an attempt by the suspect (or witness) to impose his or her own narrative on the case rather than assist the investigator to find out the truth Juries however can be confused or impressed by them. The fact that Serdyukov has provided this statement may be a sign that either he or his lawyer now expect charges to be brought.

          • Here is the lengthy report from Itar Tass’s English language website discussing Serdyukov’s failure to answer questions. Itar Tass is of course the government’s official news agency. Though it is allowed a wide degree of independence in its commentary, in my experience its reporting tends to be reliable and to mirror official thinking.

            http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c32/619039.html

            The report quotes Markin’s comments extensively. Notice that Markin characterises Serdyukov’s behaviour as obstruction of the investigation and that he specifically refers to the earlier now broken promise by the “former leadership of the Defence Ministry” to cooperate fully with the investigation.

  49. Moscow Exile says:

    What Pravda.ru and Eduard Limonov think of tomorow’s (Jan.13) march in Moscow:

    The next in a series of marches takes place on January 13 in the centre of Moscow. It has already been decided. Opposition leaders will bring to the streets “angry citizens” and professional activists to voice another protest. Well, it may only be a march, but its name stands out: it’s the “March Against Scoundrels”. And what’s at the bottom of all this? The fact of the matter is that disgruntled citizens are being brought out onto Russian streets by their leaders in defence of anti-Russian interests; moreover, in defence of interests directly opposed to the interests of Russians. And do they say that on this march there will be a U.S. flag? And,of course, the human rights elite kind of don’t mind. One might not be too keen on Eduard Limonov, but one has to say that he is quite right when he says that the urban bourgeoisie are being distanced further and further away from the people.

    Eduard Limonov, leader of the unregistered party “Other Russia”:

    “Yes, I think this rally is pro-American. For the first time during a period of about 20 years we can see a very pro-American rally. I’m sure most people who are going to go there do not realize what they are going to. They think that they are going to protect the disabled and Russian orphans from the Russian authorities.”

    Let’s be open about this: on January 13, leaders of the opposition will strive to bring “dissatisfied” people together to support disadvantaged Russians and US laws. These disadvantaged are orphans and the disabled; unfortunately it involves the fate of children, but in most cases this is just an excuse to put pressure on the feelings and emotions of the “middle class”. I’m not saying that all those who come to this rally will have been bribed to do so by the State Department: that would be a really ridiculous statement. But the manipulation of public opinion conducted on such a scale, you just cannot miss. And another thing that causes concern: are representatives of the U.S. Embassy going to be there, ​​as they were during a rally at Triumfalnaya and Pushkin Square? And will they just be passing by or will they be observing and controlling?

    • yalensis says:

      It is interesting (and even a bit refreshing) to see the lines being drawn so clearly now. Opps carrying an American flag – it can’t get more blatant than that! Like people say, for 20 years now (ever since Kosovo), America has been unpopular among the majority of Russians. (Not American people, who are really nice, but American government, it goes without saying.)
      Due to this unpopularity of American government, Navalnyites had to be somewhat cautious in their statements of foreign policy. Often they avoided these issues altogether and just pretended that they were only interested in domestic issues, such as corruption and so on. Chirikova crossed the line when she overtly called for support of Syrian “rebels”, which is a key point of American foreign policy. Possibly as a result of this (plus other factors), she was soundly trounced in her election bid for Khimki mayor.
      And now, we have seen this happening over the last couple of years, gradually, but now picking up speed, the Opps (Navalnyites and other) have become more and more openly pro-American. Now openly supporting Magnitsky Law. And now carrying American flags. They should actually drop the white-ribbon thing and just don American-flag lapel pins.
      Like I said, this is refreshing. Let everybody show exactly who they are. No more pretenses. Then let the Russian people democratically decide if they want to see a pro-American foreign policy, or not.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        I’m not too sure about that carrying Old Glory on marches though. Firstly, the Pravda.ru video is a collage of opposition events over the past year, beginning with the Lubyanka fiasco of last month. The flag carriers were clearly photographed in the summer – well, at least not in winter or early spring/late fall. And I have to say, hand on heart, that I have never seen any oppositionists carrying the US flag on marches.

        To be honest, I shouldn’t think most Russians, even opposition supporters, would tolerate that. Not that certain oppositionist leaders are of that mind – several of whom, I am convinvced, being in receipt of “expenses” off Uncle Sam.

        The only US flags openly displayed at meetings last year were at Khimki, and these were carried by Nashi youths and others whilst barracking Chirikova: some of them even wore Uncle Sam costumes. For this reason, I think it just possible that the boys pictured carrying the flag and shown in the Pravda.ru video may possibly have been Nashi provocateurs during one of the summer marches.

        I must say, though, I tend to agree with what Limonov says in the video. He’s said so all
        along. I mean, just because Limonov has said this, doesn’t make what he said automatically wrong; Adolf Hitler, I’m sure, believed that 1+1=2: he wasn’t wrong on that count either.

      • Dear Moscow Exile and Yalensis,

        I agree completely with both of you and with Limonov. I would only add that the organiser of this pro American rally is the supposed Leftist and Communist Udaltsov. How can anybody honestly believe Udaltsov is any sort of Leftist or Communist now?

        • kirill says:

          He’s the worst sort. He does not have ideals he is pursuing. He is a political mercenary. Funny how such people and the militia-style training camps they organize are touted as reasonable democratic opposition and not just criminal seditionists. What are Udaltsov’s alleged democratic ideals? Turning Russia into an pro-Washington oligarch kleptocracy where the will of the vast majority of Russians is ignored? The western media can get away with this retarded dialogue because it systematically ignores Russian opinion polls.

      • Misha says:

        “It is interesting (and even a bit refreshing) to see the lines being drawn so clearly now. Opps carrying an American flag – it can’t get more blatant than that! Like people say, for 20 years now (ever since Kosovo), America has been unpopular among the majority of Russians. (Not American people, who are really nice, but American government, it goes without saying.)”

        ****

        The so-called “Orange Revolution” had Kiev organized demos with the flags of Georgia, Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), Georgia, Poland and the first post-Soviet flag of Belarus. There were no Russian flags, but plenty of Russian language placards.

        Poland is nowhere near as popular in Ukraine as Russia. The Sorosian Serb activist group Otpor was sent to Ukraine.

        With the past in mind, most Russians seem to have a good understanding on how to realistically proceed.

        Oliver Stone’s historical documentary series touches on this last point. An interesting series, it had a glaring error in its reference to “Soviet President Vladimir Putin.”

        Then again, we’re living in an age when it’s considered appropriate to pay significant attention to the likes of… (try figuring it out, if you don’t already know).

      • marknesop says:

        I completely agree; I think it’s brilliant, and I regret now making fun of King Alexei and the Koordinating Kouncil. Carrying an American flag during a demonstration in Russia will have much the same effect as carrying the swastika would in the same circumstances in the USA. I only hope they go through with it, and don’t chicken out. Who says the Koordinating Kouncil can’t make bold decisions? Boris Nemtsov must be rocking in a corner somewhere and sucking his thumb.

        • yalensis says:

          Boris is still revelling in his victory in lobbying American Congress for Magnitsky Bill. As LImonov correctly points out. And, by the way, I never thought I would agree with Limonov on anything, but he is absolutely right about all this orphan crap.

          • marknesop says:

            How in hell is the Magnitsky Act considered a Boris Nemtsov triumph? Browder himself lobbied Cardin, in person, and got his support. After that there was growing American lawmaker support for it as a tool to replace Jackson-Vanik, without the need of any intervention from Nemtsov.

            • yalensis says:

              Well, you are probably right about that. But I am helpless to do anything except quote Limonov himself:

              Ещё весной, я помню, всё летали в Соединённые Штаты Борис Немцов и Гарри Каспаров и усиленно лоббировали американских законодателей, убеждая их принять запретительный «список Магнитского» взамен поправки Джексона–Вэника. Лоббистская деятельность Немцова и Каспарова увенчалась успехом.

              http://izvestia.ru/news/542757

              • marknesop says:

                When is Limonov saying this? Now, in 2013, when the article is dated? Because according to this article, Browder flew to Washington in April 2010, and then or very shortly thereafter secured Cardin’s support for invoking Executive Order 7750, but putting a name to it and calling it the Justice For Sergei Magnitsky Act.

                Limonov says, “last spring”, which I interpret to mean spring 2012, or spring 2011 at the very earliest. The Act became law only in December 2012. It appears on the face of it that Browder was at least a year ahead of Nemtsov and his delegation, and probably two.

                • yalensis says:

                  Yeah, Limonov is full of shit. I guess he’s just sloppily making a point that Nemtsov and Kasparov are American agents. duh! everybody knows that.

  50. There’s been a slew of new figures on the Russian economy of which the most important are as follows:

    1. The Central Bank has just reported that total capital outflow in 2012 was $56.8 billion. This is significantly below the $85 billion for 2011. More importantly, since the Central Bank was reporting back in November capital outflow in the first 10 months of 2012 as over $60 billion, unless the Central Bank has changed the way it calculates the figures (which it denies doing) then there must have been a substantial capital inflow in the last quarter. It will be interesting to see whether this is sustained.

    2. The trade balance and the current account both remain in surplus and are barely changed from lthe previous year. Predictions in some quarters that Russia may soon find itself in deficit find no support in these figures.

    3. Inflation for 2012 as a whole was 6.7%. As I have previously said the major cause for this was higher food prices (up around 8%) caused in part by the poor harvest and the tariff increases. These were not only put back to the summer last year but for some completely unexplained reason were staggered across the whole of the second half of 2012 region by region instead of happening in one go. The result of course was to keep inflation higher than would have been the case if they had happened at the beginning of the year in one go as has always previously been the case. Despite the usual upward blip in prices in January the overall trend in inflation is down and the Central Bank has said that it expects it to start to fall significantly in the second quarter of 2013. When that happens we could start to see interest rates fall in which case economic growth should start to accelerate.

    • kirill says:

      Number 2 is the most important figure compared to the capital outflow. As far as the GDP is concerned the large trade surplus more than cancels the $56 billion capital outflow, not all of which is capital flight and most of which is probably going into projects such as oil field development that will bring capital inflows in the future.

      Number 3 is showing that inflation is starting to normalize in Russia. This means that monetization of the economy is starting to saturate in the consumer sectors (not necessarily the military industrial and other sectors). Market participants are getting used to pricing and there is enough competition to restrain prices. If there was no competition then we would have the runaway inflation of the medical sector seen in the USA and Canada, which is a highly distorted market where the sellers get away with murder thanks to government guarantees (i.e. the buyer does not exert enough resistance to the prices pushed by the sellers).

      The figure of 6.7% is actually closer to the real inflation rates (CPI) in the west than the official CPI figures would have you believe. The following site makes convincing arguments that there has been a lot of fudging introduced into the CPI in the last 30 years that have decoupled it from reality:

      http://www.shadowstats.com/article/no-438-public-comment-on-inflation-measurement

      I can’t find the particular chart, but the 2% inflation rates often quoted are simply nonsense. They are closer to 6% even using the pre-Clinton CPI metric. BTW, this is another trick aside from deficit spending used to pump up western GDP claims. The CPI is an important component in the GDP deflator and there is no reason to suggest that the PPI (producer price index) is not being fudged as well.

      • kirill says:

        The capital outflow reflects that Russian businesses still prefer to do business in the grey zone. They shuffle money to Cyprus and elsewhere to deploy at other times instead of just spending for goods and services up front. The $56 billion figure is too small to represent the hiding of profits offshore. One thing is for sure it is not the infamous capital flight claimed by the yellow media. Remember now, there is not so much investment in Russia of portfolio capital thanks to all the hysterical propaganda about corruption and Putler’s tyranny which will collapse at any moment. So this capital outflow is from Russian and not foreign players.

        • Dear Kirill,

          I agree with all of this. As I have often had occasion to say our views on economic questions are very similar.

          As I am sure you remember I have discussed the whole capital outflow/capital flight issue many times. The point I was simply making is that even those who insist on making an issue out of this bogus question ought now to face the fact that even if one takes the Central Bank’s figures at face value (which Ernst & Young tell us we should not do) then for the figures to add up there must have been a net capital inflow in the last quarter. My guess by the way is that this points to a rise in investment and that the deleveraging by Russian companies following the 2008 crash and their hedging by parking money abroad is coming to an end. I gather that the Central Bank is of the same view.

          On the subject of inflation in the west, all I will say is that I am currently paying more than £1,000 a month on my household energy costs, which is approximately a fifth more than last year, that my travel costs are roughly 10% higher than they were this time last year and that my weekly food bill over the last 10 years has more than trebled whilst my local taxes (supposedly reflecting the increase in value of my house but also the higher cost of services in London) have quintupled over the same period. To that of course must be added the large number of supposedly public services such as dental care, library access and even use of public toilets, which have gone from being free to being subject to a charge over the same period. The most notorious example of this is university access, which has gone within the last 10 years from being free to costing £9,000 a year, which for many young people is prohibitively expensive. I gather that it is now even routine for parents to contribute to the cost of buying school text books for schoolchidren in state schools, something which would have been completely inconceivable when I was at school.

          • Robert says:

            I believe the UK does not include food and energy costs in the official calculation of inflation which is exactly the kind of dishonesty I’ve come to expect from the British establishment.

            As for Russian corruption Max Keiser was interveiwing a former Scotland Yard detective on his show recently. According to this guy there is systemic fraud in the City and when he was a serving policeman the cops couldn’t go after suspected banking fraud without permission from the DTI. The City is politically protected and the rule of law does not apply to the City fathers. Keiser also points out that some of the worst financial frauds over the last decades have been based in London and the Wall Street boys were constantly using their London back offices to circumvent regulation. The British establishment doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it criticises Russia.

            In Iceland the public rose up in 2008 and lit a bonfire outside the prime ministers house. As a result Iceland was the one European country that refused the EU demand that the debts of failed banks must be passed on to governments; instead, in 2008, the Icelandic government allowed the country’s three biggest banks to fold, paid off Icelandic depositors by way of the existing deposit insurance scheme, and left foreign investors twisting in the wind. Since that time, Iceland has been the only European country to see a sustained recovery.

            Either the oppressed Euro countries like the UK and Greece will find the courage to default or we face a decade or more of depression and a lost generation of debt slaves. Meanwhile the Tory government is using the deficit cause by the City’s funny money games as an excuse to attack the public sector and the welfare state which they’ve always wanted to do anyway for ideological reasons.

            The unemployed including the disabled and the mentally ill are being threatened with having their benefits taken away by a private contractor called Atos employed by the Department of Work and Pensions. (a very Orwellian name; it used to be called the Dept of Health and Social Security) This is leading to suicides among the most vulnerable people in the country meanwhile the Tories and the right wing press are employing despicable propaganda calling the unemployed “scroungers” Divide and rule and scapegoat downwards while the banksters in the City are bailed out with no conditions with billions of pounds of taxpayers money and continue to award themselves bonuses.

            It would be very interesting to compare how the unemployed, disabled and mentally ill without work are treated in the Evil Empire compared to Merry England. Human rights? I don’t think so.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              And don’t forget that Scotland Yard (Metropolitan Police Service) does not police the City of London, which is policed by its own City of London Police Force.

              • Robert says:

                Very good point. The City of London police quite separate from the Met and only accountable to the Lord Mayor. And who elects the Lord Mayor? The City of london doesn’t operate under one person one vote but is a rotten borough where the livery companies elect the Lord Mayor. The democratically elected Mayor of Greater London has no jurisidiction at all over the Square Mile. This set up is a fuedal anachronism that should have been abolished long ago and is an invitation to corruption.

          • Jen says:

            Dear Alex: By way of comparison with the figure of 9,000 pounds for UK universities, the most expensive undergraduate university courses (medicine and law) in Australia are just under A$8,200 annually. (Current conversion rate: 1 pound = A$1.53.) I assume the figure you provide wouldn’t cover, say, necessary tools and equipment that students in courses like dentistry, medicine, some science courses and engineering require. So the charges imposed in the UK would deter young people from pursuing courses vital to society.

      • peter says:

        Number 2 is the most important figure compared to the capital outflow…

        Idiot.

    • cartman says:

      Poland’s unemployment has jumped to 13.3%. I say this because Edward Lucas – since real life is failing to provide him fap material about Russia’s demise – calls it a “European heavyweight”. My prediction is that shills for neo-liberalism will still find sleazy magazines to publish them in 2013.

      http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/imported/renewal-amid-the-decay/76125.aspx

      • kirill says:

        This unemployment rate is in spite of the fact that Poland is not following the austerity voodoo that is being foisted on many EU countries.

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/01/10/if-austerity-is-so-awesome-why-hasnt-poland-tried-it/

        I think it is evidence that the Potemkin facade of the EU ain’t all its cracked out to be. If 25% unemployment was typical for the US during the Great Depression and is common in Spain today during its Depression, then 13.3% is not an indicator of a healthy economy. So it looks like the Polish economy is in a state of recession. This would not be too surprising given the mess in Europe today.

        • If one reads Lucas’s article carefully, it is simply an exercise in wilful wishful thinking. He provides no real grounds to support his predictions.

          Every year Lucas says the same thing: Putin/Russia are doomed and the Europeans are finally waking up to the evil they represent. It is the one thing one can rely upon to remain the same in an otherwise constantly changing world.

      • marknesop says:

        Yes, I saw that one and had marked it for my next post, so let’s not take it apart just yet – I’ve been wanting a crack at Lucas for a long time.

        • Misha says:

          A good deal to crack on.

          http://www.eurasiareview.com/13102010-beyond-the-edward-lucas-peter-hitchens-exchange-on-russia-and-ukraine/

          There was the instance a few years back when within one month’s time, JRL ran two of his inquiries asking what was behind the funding of the now defunct Tiraspol Times. What actually seemed to irk him was an English language venue giving a different perspective of the former Moldavian SSR than his. The same Lucas linked La Russophobe at his blog (that was active at the time), while never seeking to openly inquire who La Russophobe is.The Tiraspol Times was far more open in its self description when compared to the anonymous manner of La Russophobe.

  51. Misha says:

    Of possible interest:

    http://spookdblog.blogspot.com/

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    Pro-Hagel commentary:

    http://susaneisenhower.com/2013/01/09/chuck-hagel-a-turning-point-for-the-gop/

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/11/hagel-for-the-defense/

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    Western neocon-neolib leaning criticism of Svoboda highlights that group’s negativity towards the EU, unlike its anti-Russian leaning positions:

    http://austereinsomniac.info/blog/2013/1/10/the-great-euro-russo-conspiracy-against-svoboda.html

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    On blaming the Serbs for WW I:

    http://grayfalcon.blogspot.com/2013/01/on-great-war-again.html

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    Brings up the matter of how the recognition of a disputed territory’s independence can be subject to change:

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2013&mm=01&dd=11&nav_id=84109

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    A human interest ice hockey story:

    http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-khl-hockey-lokomotiv-yaroslav-returns-from-tragedy/24811709.html

  52. kirill says:

    http://en.rian.ru/world/20130111/178718890/Boeings_Dreamliner_787s_Under_New_US.html

    Something for all the professional Russia haters to consider when bleating about the pilot-error induced crash of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 in Indonesia. Electrical system shorts and fires are NOT a minor thing for fly-by-wire aircraft.

  53. Misha says:

    Among other things this piece compares the polled views of America in some other other countries:

    http://rbth.ru/articles/2013/01/10/what_stands_behind_anti-americanism_in_russia_21765.html

    Excerpt –

    “Russian anti-Americanism, however, is not that different from many other countries’ attitudes. According to the BBC Country Rating Poll 2012, only 48 percent of Canadians and 38 percent of Mexicans viewed the influence of the U.S. in the world as positive. That came as an improvement, as negative attitudes dominated in both countries in the year before.”

  54. yalensis says:

    Latest news on Adagamov case:
    Today Russian Chief Investigator Vladimir Markin announced that he was initiating an investigation of the statutory rape charges made against Oppositionist and Coordinating Committee member Adagamov. Markin was forced to take this step according to Russian law, which decrees that a declaration of a crime, even if not made directly to Russian authorities, but rather to the media, forces an investigation of that crime. Hence, Tatiana Delsal supposedly forced Markin’s hand by making her accusations to the “Russia Today” media channel. Delsal accused Adagamov (her ex-husband) of committing a statutory rape of a 12-year-old girl. (Who is assumed to be Tatiana’s daughter, but nobody is saying that, because of rules protecting the privacy of a rape victim.)
    More details are emerging about this family/criminal drama. The girl is now a young woman 27 years old. According to Tatiana, Adagamov started to molest the girl when she was 12, then left her alone after she got older and turned 17. These crimes allegedly occurred in Norway, where the family resided at the time. The girl kept mum the whole time. But over the years she suffered from depression, tried to kill herself three times, and was seeing a psychiatrist. Since she was technically an adult by the time she walked into the shrink’s office, the shrink did not have any legal obligation to disclose the molestations to the police.
    Fast forward ten years…. Just this past June, the young woman, now 27 years old, finally told Delsal what was going on with her psyche. Delsal blew a gasket, but didn’t know what to do. In a fit of rage, she entered into an emotional email correspondence with her ex-husband. This correspondence has been shown to the world, but it is not known if it was hacked, or if Delsal herself published it.
    Anyhow, skipping ahead to the legal ramifications…. This might interest Mercouris. Adagamov himself has dual citizenship: Russia/Norway. I am not sure about Delsal’s citizenship, I think she is also dual, either that or just Norwegian. As I mentioned above, she spilled the beans to “Russia Today”, and by this act of disclosure to Russian media, she forced the hand of the Russian government. So Markin had no choice except to launch an investigation into the reported crime of rape.
    There are a lot of legal questions I don’t know: Is there a statute of limitations for this type of crime? In Norway? In Russia? After all, it’s been 10 years. Etc etc.
    There is also an interesting aspect, which fits into a discussion we have long had on this blog, as to the gross incompetence and unethical behavior of certain Russian lawyers. Namely, Adagamov’s former lawyer, Shota Gorgadze. Adagamov initially turned to Gorgadze, but when the latter advised him to take a polygraph and the former balked, the latter then quit. Which is fine. Except that he proceeded to slime his former client:

    По моему субъективному мнению, Адагамов не чист перед законом. Также, по моему субъективному мнению, его бывшая супруга говорит правду”.

    “According to my subjective opinion, Adagamov is not clean before the law. Also, according to my subjective opinion, his ex-wife is speaking the truth.”

    Oi! Isn’t there some kind of law, or at least ethical standard about ex-laywers sliming their ex-clients?
    Doesn’t the rule of client confidentiality continue to operate even if the laywer has been fired??

    http://www.dni.ru/polit/2013/1/11/246390.html

    • Dear Yalensis,

      On the face of it this is a very simple case. Either Adagamov has committed child abuse offences or he has not. If he has then I would be very surprised if there is a statute of limitations defence for this sort of case in Norway. There might be in Russia but I doubt it. Someone who is a paedophile in Russia can certainly be prosecuted for such crimes in Norway though the more normal and correct thing if he fled to Norway would be to extradite him back to Russia where the offence was committed. The fact that he was a Norwegian citizen should not prevent this or provide him with any protection. I would add that that in every country I know hostility to paedophiles is extremely strong and if there is a strong case against Adagamov he will not attract much sympathy whether in Norway or anywhere else.

      There has been a steady build up of evidence about this case and it is beginning to look more solidly based than I originally thought. It is certainly worrying that Adagamov seems to have done remarkably little to deny or refute the allegations that have been made against him. That is the one thing that makes me think that these allegations may be true whether in whole or in part. Certainly someone who is accused of being a paedophile would normally be expected to indignantly deny the accusation if it was untrue.

      There is only one thing that makes me pause about this case. If you have any experience of advising parties involved in relationship breakdowns (and I have plenty) you will know the extraordinary hatred and bitterness such people often have towards each other and their fantastic willingness to make up and say the most horrible things about each other. I am just a bit worried that the ultimate source for these allegations seems to be Adagamov’s ex wife. This is true even of the emails she and Adagamov have exchanged with each other. There are ways of manipulating email conversations and of doctoring email messages to make them look more incriminating than they are and I am still not absolutely sure that this is not what has been happening here.

      Having said this I agree that these allegations should be fully investigated. It is very much in Adagamov’s interests to have them properly investigated if they are untrue. Do you happen to know whether the young woman Adagamov is supposed to have abused has said anything publicly or to any third party other than Adagamov’s wife about this matter?

      As for Adagamov’s lawyer, what can I say? I have passed the point where the conduct of Russian defence lawyers (or at least the sort of defence lawyers that Russian liberals instruct when they’re in trouble) any longer shocks me. The conduct of Adagamov’s former lawyer is of course totally unethical and yet again we have before us a case of a client being shafted by his own lawyer. Also what sort of a lawyer is it who advises his client to take a polygraph test? As his lawyer should know it is not Adagamov who at this point has to prove his innocence. It is the prosecution who have to prove his guilt. It would not surprise me if the reason Adagamov has been deterred from denying the allegations that have been made against him is because of the false position his own lawyer has put him in. He may feel embarrassed to deny the allegations precisely because he has refused his lawyer’s advice to submit to a polygraph test.

      The only thing I would say is that at least this lawyer has not disclosed any confidential information about his client but has merely expressed an opinion. It’s still outrageous but it’s not quite s bad as what Feigin & Co did when they disclosed the instructions Pussy Riot gave them.

      • Dear Yalensis,

        I forgot to say that a lawyer who publicly trashes the reputation of his own client (or ex client) as Adagamov’s lawyer is doing would in every jurisdiction I know be committing gross professional misconduct for which he ought to be disciplined. That doesn’t seem to ever happen in Russia.

        • Dear Yalensis,

          Apologies. On checking your earlier comments I now realise that Adagamov’s offence is supposed to have happened in Norway. Logically that ought to mean that it should be prosecuted in Norway though if there are grounds to think Adagamov has committed such a crime in Norway there is no reason why the Russian police authorities should not investigate it. They will however need the cooperation of the Norwegian authorities if they are to bring this case to any sort of conclusion.

          • yalensis says:

            Dear Alexander:
            Trying to follow up on some of the interesting points you have made. There is currently a very heated discussion of this case taking place on the Politrash blog.
            Anyhow, to answer some of your points: Adagamov lives in Russia, not Norway, so he would probably not be charged in Norway. In any case, Russia does not extradite its citizens to other countries for trial. If Adagamov ever goes to trial, it would be in Russia.
            Which will probably never happen. The case is possibly shaky because the alleged victim has not communicated the alleged crime to anyone except Tatiana Delsal. Adagamov’s ex-wife. I get your point that ex-spouses can be extremely vindictive, and it is a well-known fact that women in the throes of divorce and child-custody issues can throw out a lot of accusations, including child abuse. That particular scenario doesn’t fit here, though, because the divorce happened a long time ago, and there are no custody issues whatsoever. I suppose one could still claim that the ex-wife is bitter and vengeful. Adamagov will probably argue that line, if he ever goes to court. He is already arguing that the charges are trumped up and politically based. The implication is that the ex-wife, albeit Norwegian, is an avid Putin supporter. Believe it or not, there is some evidence for this, in Tatiana’s statement that she was enraged when she learned that her pedophile ex-husband was being treated as a respectable political figure and even got himself elected to the Coordinating Council!
            As to the statute of limitations, commenters on Politrash blog say the statute for this type of crime is 10 years in Russia, with the clock ticking from the time of the last known occurrence of the crime. In this case, Adagamov is alleged to have raped the girl over a period of 5 years, with the last occurrence being just over 9 years ago, when the girl turned 17. Hence, the victim has almost run out of time to submit charges to a Russian court. Cynics might say that the Putinoids saw the clock ticking and decided to get cracking on this before the statute ran out. Also, there is some confusion over the fact that the age of sexual consent in Norway is 16. (Hey, those Scandinavians!) Hence, if she was raped when she was 17, that might not count (unless it was violent, which it probably wasn’t), and so you can only count up through the age of 16, hence, the statute would have run out already.
            Another point of debate (and the commenters on Politrash are really going at it on this previously tabu topic), concerns who the victim is. There are pros and cons to the theory that it is Tatiana’s daughter. Tatiana has one biological daughter, name and age unknown. This daughter is married to a Norwegian man named “Atle”. They have a daughter of their own (Tatiana’s granddaughter), named “Noelle”.
            One commenter pointed out an interesting moment in Adagamov’s email to Tatiana, in which he employs two different pronouns for “You”, the plural, and then the singular:


            «Прошу вас, не губите меня, я стою на коленях и молю о пощаде. У вас есть дом, семья, Ноэль, Атле. У меня ничего нет, я всё потерял.
            Таня, прошу тебя, не добивай, ты сильная, ты можешь сжалиться, я знаю.
            Я ненавижу себя и виноват … »

            “I beg you [plural], do not ruin me. I am down on my knees begging you for mercy. You [again, plural] have a house, a family, Noelle, Atle. I have nothing, I have lost everything.
            “Tanya, I beg you [singular], don’t finish me off…”
            In the first sentence, Adagamov is either addressing more than one person, most likely Tanya and her daughter; OR he is addressing just the daughter, but with the formal “you”. In the second sentence, he addresses Tanya with the familiar “you”, as one would expect, since they used to be married.
            However, the theory that Tanya’s daughter is the rape victim is undermined by Tanya’s own interview, in which she cagily hints that the victim is an outsider or visitor to their family. Tatiana also claims that she has seen a pornographic home movie made by Adagamov, in which the alleged victim, then 12 years old, appeared in her underwear. If this movie actually exists, then it would be the smoking gun that would destroy Adagamov.
            Other commenters show evidence that Adagamov has been busily cleaning up his blog and journal, removing trophy and party type photos that could point to the identity of the alleged victim. There is a link to a Christmas party photo from 2003 which possibly shows the victim herself, around the age of 16 or 17, but I won’t give the link here.
            Meanwhile, Politrash is bragging that he has much much more dirt against Adagamov and is really going to nail him in a future blogpost. This thing is turning into a big effing deal.

            • Dear Yalensis,

              I think the one thing we can definitely say about this case is that the person driving it is Adagamov’s ex wife. I think we can almost certainly exclude Kremlin involvement. I find it very difficult to believe that a Norwegian woman even one who is an admirer of Putin’s and who was formerly married to a Russian politician would be a Kremlin agent.

              I have to say that the behaviour of Adagamov’s ex wife does correspond with the sort of vindictive behaviour I have come across in relationship breakdowns. That is the one thing that makes me cautious about this story. Child custody disputes are not the only cause of such behaviour. What often triggers an outburst is news that the ex partner has been successful in something. It might be something as banal as the fact that Adagamov was elected to the Coordinating Committee and the ex wife’s comments suggests that it is. Of course if the victim is the ex wife’s daughter or granddaughter then this would be reason enough for the ex wife’s anger. By the way I wouldn’t put too much on the fact that in an interview the ex wife seemed to hint it was an outsider. The ex wife might not wish to disclose that the victim was her daughter or granddaughter at the present time.

              As I said before, I doubt that there is a statute of limitations defence for this sort of crime in Norway. If the Norwegian authorities decide a crime has been committed (and it is strange that despite the victim’s meeting with a psychiatrist and the ex wife’s statements so far they have not) then they would presumably issue a warrant for his arrest. Whilst you are of course correct to say that Russia cannot extradite him to Norway, Adagamov could presumably be prosecuted either under Russian law (before the limitation period expires) or in a Russian court applying Norwegian law. If he is prosecuted under Russian law then obviously the Russian age of consent applies. If he is prosecuted under Norwegian law then the Norwegian age of consent applies and the the fact that that is 16 would not be relevant or prevent a prosecution if as I suspect Norwegian law does not have a limitation defence for a prosecution for this crime.

              It is difficult to say more about this case until/unless we know more about it. As of this moment we don’t know the name of the victim and she has not publicly commented on the matter or (so far as we know) brought a complaint against Adagamov. Without such a complaint it is difficullt to see how a prosecution could be brought. The only things we know at the moment about this case is what the ex wife is telling us. Technically that is hearsay and in a British or US Court would therefore be inadmissible as evidence of a crime.

              There are of course also the emails, which on the face of it look highly incriminating. If Adagamov really wrote them (and as I understand it he does not deny that he did) then writing emails like that admitting such a serious crime to an outraged and vindictive ex wife was on the face of it an act of almost unbelievable stupidity, which has now of course caught up with him. Whilst it is true that people do act stupidly in these sort of situations if the emails are entirely genuine then I would not be surprised if the reason why Adagamov wrote them is because he knows that his ex wife does indeed have some other irrefutable evidence of his crime such as a film. If so then politically at least he’s toast

              Two questions:

              1. Is it being suggested anywhere that the ex wife’s daughter whom Adagamov might have abused is also his daughter? If so then this could be a case of incest. I am sorry to say that the number of such cases is far highter than many think. If Adagamov was the victim’s father that might be another reason why the victim has held back from complaining about him and why the ex wife is holding back from disclosing her identity. It would of course also give a further reason for the ex wife’s anger.

              2.What is Adagamov actually saying about this business? Is he saying his ex wife is lying? What is his explanation for the emails?

              • peter says:

                I doubt that there is a statute of limitations defence for this sort of crime in Norway.

                Oops, looks like you, yet again, have no clue what you’re talking about. See here and here.

                • Dear Peter,

                  Thanks but as I can’t read Norwegian this doesn’t take me far. I take it there is a limitation period in Norway. Could you tell me how long?

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Dear Alexander Mercouris,

                  Look here.

                • peter says:

                  … or here.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Beklager, jeg kan ikke snakke engelsk.
                  :-(

                • I should employ you both as research assistants.

                  The answer is that since this offence involves sexual assaults on a minor that commenced before the age of 14 contrary to Section 195 of the Criminal Code the limitation period is 10 years commencing on the date the minor attained the age of 18. If there have been aggravating circumstances then the limitation period can be extended further. On the face of it therefore Adagamov does not have a limitation defence under Norwegian law if proceedings are brought against him now.

                • yalensis says:

                  Did you just say in Norwegian that you can snack on Englishmen?

                • yalensis says:

                  Alexander: You should hire me and MoscowExile as your research asssitants. Don’t hire peter, he will just keep sniping at you and being insultatory. (Although he is pretty good at research, I admit.)
                  As for the Norwegian statute of limitations, it sounds like the alleged victim has approximately one year left to bring her charges, if she decides to. But the clock is ticking. Chop chop.

                • Dear Yalensis,

                  I would be thrilled to employ you as my research assistant. Indeed what you regularly do in that regard is outstanding. As for Peter, well he was in his own inimitable way and as I happily admit making a valid point.

                  Since you have offered your further services could I just ask you for clarification of something that is right up your street? How sure can we be that the emails Adagamov has written are as he wrote them? How difficult is it to doctor or change emails? After all when one forwards an email (at least on hotmail) it is possible to change the text. Does the email provider keep the email provider keep a copy of the text of the emails in its original form?

                • marknesop says:

                  Yes, you’re correct; there is a statute of limitations based on the severity of the offense. However, it also says the statute period begins from when the offense ceased. Is that known with any accuracy, beyond “stopped when the girl was about 17″?

                • Dear Mark,

                  If you read the provision carefully offences under Sections 195 and 196 are excluded from the general rule that the limitation period begins from the date the offence was committed. Sections 195 and 196 are the sections that create offences of sexual assault against minors. The limitation period for those offence only begins when the minor becomes 18. This is logicall because a minor cannot be expected to have the capacity to bring a complaint or report a sexual assault to the police until he or she becomes and adullt.

                  Incidentally, it is arguable whether in this case the limitation period has only one year left to run. Section 195 extends both the sentence for the offence and the limitation if there have been aggravating factors such as injury to the minor or harm done to the minor’s health. In this case the minor seems to have suffered injury to her mental health so logically both the sentence and the limitation period are extended.

              • yalensis says:

                Alexander: To answer your 2 questions:
                (1) No, the ex-wife’s daughter is not Adagamov’s biological daughter. She was his step-daughter. So there is no incest involved. That much is known.
                (2) Adagamov does not claim that his ex-wife is lying. He has adopted a chivalrous mien and stated that he will not say anything bad about his ex-wife. He has clammed up, tried to lawyer up, and said he will remain mum about the whole affair. Which is probably the smartest thing for him to do.
                As for the emails, yeah, it was incredibly stupid for him to type out and send such admissions into the open cloud. But, believe me, when it comes to the internet (emails, twitters, facebook, etc.), people are incredibly stupid, their narcissism takes command over their common sense, and they seem to throw all caution to the wind. It’s like they think there will never be any consequences. I work in an I.T. department, and I have seen some real boners. In one company I worked for, the whole billing department was fired when it was discovered that they were all exchanging pornographic emails with each other. Like, it never occurred to them that somebody else in the company could eventually see the emails and catch on to what was going on. People don’t seem to realize that nothing is private any more. Even encrypted emails can be intercepted and decrypted.
                We programmers have a saying: Never type an email to your boss or colleague when you are upset or emotional. If there is anything tricky at all in what you have to say, then have a trusted second person peer review your email before you press that “SEND” button.

                • yalensis says:

                  More on this soap opera, and some of this info could actually be used by the pro-Adagamov faction to show that his ex-wife Tatiana might possibly be making false accusations out of bitterness.
                  It is known, and Adagamov has admitted, that his marriage with Tatiana broke down due to his having an affair with a second woman, who is apparently somebody named Katerina Makarova. Adagamov currently lives with Makarova as his common-law wife, although they are not formally married. If you scroll down a bit in this link you see a picture of the two women side by side, Katerina on the left; and Tatiana on the right. What is striking is how similar they look, Adagamov clearly has a physical type, and Makarova is a younger version of Tatiana.

                  http://drmao.livejournal.com/177004.html

                  Hence, this could be the typical story of a middle-aged man dumping his wife of 20 years for a younger trophy wife. This could explain Tatiana’s rage and bitterness, her desire to strike back at him. (If one were Rustem Adagamov’s lawyer, one would use this argument.)
                  But wait, there’s more to this soap opera: Tatiana actually reached out to Katerina (again, via email), to tell her what was going on, and what a rotten person her Rustem is. Politrash published some of the correspondence, which took place on June 27, 2012:
                  Tatiana:
                  “ Rustem is afraid, not just of prison, but of notoriety. At first he threatened me with libel. But then he realized that he would have to go to court, where everything would be made clear… and then he fell into blind hysteria…
                  He is counting on our silence. He wishes, he pleads, he threatens to commit suicide, he begs me to keep this quiet.
                  I myself will decide [whether to stay quiet]. You must decide for yourself. Currently the only people who know are [names omitted]…
                  I don’t know what kind of lies he has told you, but that’s a different story, and is not my responsibility. But he is a criminal and a paedophile. And he must be punished.”
                  Katerina:
                  “This is a skeleton from your closet, which is now tumbling onto me. I am not going to deal with all the stuff you have laid out to me. This is somebody else’s problem, not mine….”

                  http://politrash.ru/601/

                  As all lovers of soap operas know, the above conversation could have two completely different, and opposite, interpretations.
                  Cutting through all the B.S., it seems to me, and I agree with Mercouris, that if the alleged victim herself doesn’t come forward and tell her story, then it’s all just hearsay, and “hell hath no fury” and all of that…

                • Dear Yalensis,

                  Thanks for clarifying the point about incest.

                  I have to say I don’t like the look of the ex wife’s emails at all. They come across to me as the writings of someone who cares little about the victim but who is very angry at the way she feels she has been betrayed by her ex husband.

                  If Adagamov is indeed innocent then failing to answer his ex wife’s allegations out of a sense of misplaced chivalry is most unwise however noble Adagamov may think it. People expect someone who has been accused of this sort of thing to dny it in the strongest terms. It is that together with what Adagamov seems to have written in his emails that makes me think there may be something to this case. If it was only down to what the ex wife is saying there would be no case at all.

                • marknesop says:

                  I don’t think it matters much what the mother’s motive is in bringing the commission of a crime to public attention against the fact that a crime was committed, provided that can be proven. I hope we’re not going to be led down the garden path with what Adagamov was thinking when he committed the crime, like we were in the Pussy Riot affair, or what the mother’s motive might now be for making it public. It wouldn’t apply if you were a witness to your worst enemy shoplifting, except that the defense would try to argue that you made it up because you dislike them, but a crime is still a crime regardless how you feel about them. And in this case, the injured party will presumably testify. I hope Adagamov’s lawyer will not have the brass balls to imply she invented the whole thing at her mother’s behest, to punish her stepfather.

                • marknesop says:

                  Boy, you’re right that no matter how many people get caught with things they thought were totally private suddenly going public, there are still probably millions upon millions of adults who still think an email is like some kind of electronic secret, or that it is protected personal information even though the company which hires them makes it clear up front that it is not. I save all my emails at work, because as sure as oranges are orange, a situation will arise when another party will say, “I never said that”, or “I never told you to do that”. Whereupon I can say, “Oh no? Wasn’t this you?” and forward their original email. Ditto Facebook, which I don’t have and am not interested in having. There has been example after case after instance of employees taking a week off from work because they’re sick, then posting pictures of their holiday in Mexico to their stupid Facebook wall, whereupon their employer sees it and fires them. But it never seems to teach anyone anything.

                  I became involved in the resume-writing process through helping someone else write one, and read that many companies are reluctant to hire you now if you are, say, 30ish or less and have no social media accounts.

                • Misha says:

                  A further negative sign of the times if so.

                  Another example is the Google/Wiki knee jerk mode many are prone to taking, when it comes to subjects they’re unfamiliar with.

                  From last glance, the English Wiki bios of Suvorov and Gogol come to mind.

                • Dear Mark,

                  I too had never heard of Adagamov until this affair broke.

                  The ex wife’s motives are only relevant in deciding the weight to put on the evidence she produces. If she hates Adagamov then there is a greater likelihood she is lying and the weight the evidence carries is less. Of course if Adagamov is guilty and is proved to be guilty (for example because a film shows him abusing the child) then a crime has been committed and the fact that it was the ex wife who originally disclosed it is irrelevant irrespective of what her motives were.

                • marknesop says:

                  That makes sense, but we don’t know enough about Adagamov’s past relationship with his wife, notably since she has been living in Norway (which seems to have a substantial Russian community, we have Russian friends there as well). I imagine he paid support for the minor child, but I wonder if his wife was constantly hassling him for more money or sending him threatening emails for every little thing, or if everything was pretty quiet until the girl allegedly spilled the beans on what had been going on years before. If the latter, Adagamov’s position will be weakened because it is perfectly understandable for a mother to be livid upon discovering her ex-husband was having sex with her daughter when she was only 12 – if that is indeed what happened. I doubt she just cooked this up now because she’s a fan of Putin and could see that Adagamov was causing the government lots of problems. I’m sure it’s not his unpaid position on the Komical Kouncil that she is interested in ruining.

              • Alina Israeli says:

                Sorry, I am still at it. I followed the suggested links to the Norwegian PC. As I read it, sex crimes are punishable by a 3 year prison term, and according to § 67 of Penal Code, the statute of limitation is “5 years when the penalty is imprisonment for up to 4 years” beginning at the age of 18. Considering that the alleged victim is 27 (or more likely 28, as per my previous message), Adagamov cannot be prosecuted.
                Editorially, I’d like to add that this type of crime should not have a statute of limitation considering that victims wait for a very long period of time before they can face their victimizer. Pola Kinski just came out with it, 40+ years after the fact and more than 10 years since the death of her father.

            • Alina Israeli says:

              They have been divorced for less than 2 years. The daughter was prominently featured in Drugoi’s blog. Her maiden name was Alina Delsal (Delesalle), now Røisland, and here’s her blog: http://drugaia.livejournal.com/profile?socconns=pfriends&comms=cfriends (active until 2007); she was born in 1984, as stated there. So she is 28 years old. Which makes the whole allegation very strange, unless it is Alina. How could there be another daughter age 27, never mentioned in Drugoi’s blog nor on Tatiana’s Facebook page?

              • Dear Alina,

                Thanks for this. This is very interesting, The age does strongly point to Alina Delsal being the victim though as I understand it Tatiana has never confirmed this or suggested that it is her daughter who was abused. However if it was her daughter that would explain why she is so angry.

      • kirill says:

        Sounds like there is more of a case here than with Julian Assange. But I am sure the yellow media will be tripping over itself to push “it’s all a government conspiracy” tin foil hat nonsense on its gullible readers.

        • yalensis says:

          The Assange case is completely different. Assange did not molest children, he had consensual sex with two adult women. Having said that, he did probably break the Swedish law, which attempts to regulate and restrict penetrative sex without use of a condom. I have to stipulate that I am a huge fan of Assange and everything he has accomplished on the international political scene. But I also have to argue against people who say he did nothing wrong and that the women who accused him are just being bitchy and making a mountain out of a molehill. Some of these same people go bananas if anybody questions Russia’s sovereign right to enact and enforce laws that aren’t necessarily the same as those in Europe or America; and yet they hypocritically deny Sweden the right to enact her own laws in regard to sex. Swedish law is very strict about use of condoms in penetrative sex. This may seem silly and too authoritarian to some people, but there is a rational kernel: Swedish population is not very large, and could be decimated by AIDS virus if they are not careful. Hence, rightfully or wrongfully, Swedes feel the need to regulate this very intimate act, and who are we to deny them that right? From that POV, Julian behaved carelessly and acted like a typical Australian assh*le. Having said that, I have been mostly rooting for him and hope he gets away with it, only because he is who he is.

          • I agree, the Assange case is completely different. Assange has on the facts a strong defence that the sex he had with the two women who are accusing him was consensual. This defence depends not just on what Assange says but on the conduct of the two women who he is supposed to have raped including some of the things they are reported to have said. This is true on any interpretation of Swedish law. This is so much the case that the first Swedish investigator who looked into the case concluded that Assange had no case to answer because there simply was insufficient evidence to bring a prosecution. By contrast a minor cannot give consent.

          • kirill says:

            So if the woman does not want the man to wear a condom then the Swedish state forces the issue? Where are those vaunted freedoms of the west? How about children? Do Swedish couples have to get in vitro fertilization since you can’t fertilize anything with a condom? Even if they make an exception, it’s a BS nanny state law.

            I am sure that pedophilia laws in Norway are strict. I would like to see the Norwegian government launch a criminal investigation. But I expect it to be one of the chirpers who accuse Putin of yet another plot to destroy democracy activists.

            • yalensis says:

              No, I think the way the law works in Sweden is that it is up to the woman to decide whether or not the guy has to wear a condom. If she says he has to, then he has to, otherwise it is considered a type of statutory rape. I can only imagine how difficult it is to enforce or prosecute such a law. Every case would end up being “He said, she said”. But it is what it is. If the Swedes democratically chose to have a nanny state, then that is their right, and we non-Swedes should not criticize or interefere in their internal issues.
              Once again, I am basically on Julian’s side. I just don’t think we non-Swedes have a right to criticize Swedish law or the Swedish way of life.
              As for the Norwegians, once again, I am dubious that they will follow through and investigate the Adagamov case, since it involves a critic of Putin. Even if they wanted to, the Americans would pressure them to give Adagamov a pass. They will assume that he is innocent and that the pro-Putins are trying to frame him. The anti-Adagamovs, for their part, ARE also politically motivated, because they are hoping this scandal will bring down an important Putin critic. (Raise your hands, anybody who believes their sole concern is the trauma of the young victim?)
              In the same way that the anti-Assange people leaped on his mistake to bring him down. That’s what happens when you have enemies: They just sit there like vultures and watch for you to make a wrong move, then they pounce. Anybody who is involved in serious politics really needs to live a totally clean life, so nobody can ever nail them in a scandal. IMHO.

              • marknesop says:

                Although I disagree that Adagamov is an “important Putin critic” – I had never heard of him before this affair – Norway and the American diplomatic corps would probably not need to apply much pressure for Adagamov to get a pass, sort of. The English-speaking press will just decline to report it, as a non-story. Which they could easily do, since he is basically a nobody on an international scale. And if he cannot be prosecuted for it in Norway, then he will more or less get away with it. But people in Russia will know, provided it gets decent coverage in the Russian press, and he will be severely damaged by it whether he is ever formally charged or not. Even some of his fellow oppositionists will be repelled by his conduct, and he might be quietly forced out, so getting it known in Russia would be an advantage.

                For what it’s worth, I think it’s fairly clear to everyone that Assange is not a dangerous serial rapist and that he is probably being set up because certain people dislike his propensity for revealing things those people would prefer were kept secret. People who hated him anyway will continue to do so even if the girl(s) who “exposed” him go on cable TV and say they made the whole thing up, and don’t even know him. It would not change minds – the only advantage to be found in it would be that the legal persecution campaign against him would have to stop until they found some other reason.

                • Misha says:

                  There has been an element of whataboutism directed at Assange – having to do with the way he handled some info about himself when he was involved with WikiLeaks.

                  Without knowing the particulars on this matter: from a quality control point of view, there’s a basis to be substantively critical of folks at the helm of a given slant that one might sympathize with.

                • Alina Israeli says:

                  Adagamov, aka blogger Drogoi, is quite famous, particularly among web uses. Here’s Venediktov (of Ekho Moskvy) saying this: А. ВЕНЕДИКТОВ: Известный блогер другой.
                  М. ГАНАПОЛЬСКИЙ: Да.
                  А. ВЕНЕДИКТОВ: А то вы сказали Адагамов, это знают люди, которые не в интернете. (http://echo.msk.ru/programs/interception/842113-echo/)
                  Evgeniya Albats even said once that she begins her day with looking at Drugoi’s blog.

          • Alina Israeli says:

            Sweden had the highest level of STD in early 80′s, 40,000 cases of gonorrhoea, for ex. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8335310 (nice chart on syphilis http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=2830), and now they have the lowest rate of HIV/AIDS in Europe (0.1%) while Portugal has the highest (0.6%) http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-europe.htm.

  55. Moscow Exile says:

    Here’s the route that tomorrow’s demonstration against the anti-Magnitsky law will follow.

    The KP article warns of traffic jams and gives notification of some trollybus service cancellations .

    Tomorrow is, by the way, Old New Year’s Eve, namely 31st December according to the Old Style (Julian) calendar that the ROC uses. Believe it or not, some people celebrate Old New Year and there’ll be lots of noise and shouting of season’s greetings and fireworks at midnight, 13/14th January.

    The article states: “The Old New Year in the capital will end up in traffic jams”.

    It is also reported that the police issued a warning to citizens yesterday that they not give in to “expected provocations” during the demonstration and that nobody on the march will be allowed to carrry bottles – even plastic ones – or large bags.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      This news item was released by ameRIcANOVOSTI on the eve of today’s march.

      • marknesop says:

        Expect more of these, as remaining NGO’s and the snake-in-the-grass think tanks pull out all the stops to try shaming Russia into walking back the ban. Pure brinksmanship and political hardball – nobody in government cares anything for the orphans themselves, but only for cracks and weak spots.

        She looks quite well-fed and well-dressed, but obviously does not need the state disability pension, since she proudly refused it in 2011. I wonder who is footing the bills? I found it particularly rich that she says in Russia, she is “just another girl with incurable blindness” and that hamfisted Russian doctors had no clue what was wrong until clever German doctors diagnosed the problem, and now nice Americans are going to give her back her sight, considering Russia pioneered the laser eye surgery technique both nations now use for visual correction.

        Hopefully when she goes for her operation, she will remain in America. If she ever gets on the plane, of course, since such defiance will surely move Putin to kill her, along with the media outlet which reported it.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          This is the Chelyabinsk Max story as told by English Pravda.ru.

          I am still intrigued about who this Chelyabinsk Region Commissioner for Human Rights, Margarita Pavlova, is…

          …And here she is: Маргарита Павлова, уполномоченный по правам ребенка в Челябинской области. (Margarita Pavlova, Commissioner for Children’s Rights in the Chelyabinsk Region).

          Turns out she’s a well known presenter from one of the Chelyabinsk TV stations. Although conceding that she has no legal qualifications, she accepted the post because she has an autistic daughter and often meets and shares experiences with other parents of autistic children, but realizes that “without public support it is hard to do anything”.

          In essence, she’s a journalist, though she does confess that an ombudsman has to be a diplomat.

          A US diplomat?

          Anyway, this RIANOVISTI article claims that the question of the Chelyabinsk orphan’s custody could be decided this month in that it is reported that State Duma deputy Sergei Weinstein, Liberal Democratic Party delegate for the Chelyabinsk region, having heard Maxim’s sad tale, has expressed the desire to accept legal guardianship of Maxim.

          Neither Weinstein nor Maxim are acquainted.

          So is Maxim going to become a Virginian Wallen or a Chelyabinsk Weinstein?

          The world waits with bated breath!

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Liberal Democratic Party delegate! :-)

          • yalensis says:

            For me, The key point in the story is that the Wallens adoption request was rejected BEFORE the Dima Yakovlev law was passed:
            “According to him [Denis Matsko, head of the orphanage], the American family communicates with the boy and applied for his adoption indeed. However, he added, they were communicating with the boy privately, without assistance from adoption agencies. Due to irregular documentation, the application for adoption was rejected in November of 2012, before the “Law of Dima Yakovlev” was passed.”
            In other words, Milton and Diana Wallen did not fill out the proper paperwork or jump through the proper hoops. If they truly loved Max and were serious about adopting him, they could have done so years ago. Instead, they communicated with him “privately” and built up his false hopes. This confirms my suspicion that they have been jerking the boy around.
            And it doesn’t help that this Pavlova person, self-proclaimed spokesperson for disabled children, decided to stick her snout into this matter, for purely political reasons.
            And yeah, Mark is right, we can expect more of these stories. The propaganda war is in full bloom. Russia should respond to each and every sad story with a sad story about some American orphan somewhere; they could go further and offer to bring the American orphan to Russia for medical treatment and adoption.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              In fact, last week there very briefly appeared a small story in the British press about a couple – from Virginia of all places – who have been charged with the murder of an adopted Russian child. I’ve searched and searched for it today and it’s gone. There was a picture of the charged couple as well.

              I always fancied living in Virginia. Looks a like a nice place, especially in that film “Dirty Dancing”
              :-)

            • marknesop says:

              Lots of times it’s not “somebody sticking their snout in for purely political reasons”, although I’d be suspicious right away of anyone who was a Human Rights commissioner. But more often than not, it’s an enterprising news reporter who knows his or her story has a better chance of drawing national attention if it is controversial, or who is a stringer for a western paper – like the case of the Artenyevs; remember them? We talked about them in the post, “Hit the Road, Jack”. They were asked by a reporter, who was a stringer for the Los Angeles Times, if he could do an article on their trip to Israel (temporary immigration, for medical purposes, six months). Then he completely misrepresented everything they told him; that they were broken-hearted at the terrible mess Putin had made of their country, but they were sadly locking their doors and never coming back, joining the tidal flow of smart, motivated Russian intelligentsia who are just cutting their losses and getting out of Russia while there’s still time, before the orcs who work for Putin close the borders. They never told him anything like that.

              I’d be unsurprised if there were significant gaps between what those people actually said and what was reported. This issue has become the latest front in the snow revolution.

            • cartman says:

              The media has emphasized the deaths of children, but there seems to be a much larger problem:

              According to his (Pavel Astakhov’s) information there is an American family which adopted 21 girls from Russia with the purpose of sexually abusing them. “We have found out dozens of such case now,” the ombudsman said.

              http://rapsinews.com/news/20111212/258821370.html

              • marknesop says:

                Wow. There are a couple of stories linked there; I looked up the one about Nathaniel Craver, and it appears to be genuine. He died in an emaciated state, with 80 wounds to his body, 20 of which were to his head. The Cravers blamed him for his own death because of “Reactive Attachment Disorder” and reported he was self-injurious because of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. They were apparently successful in at least partly shifting the blame, because they escaped the death penalty. I guess the court must have accepted that the 7-year-old refused all food as well, otherwise how was his state of emaciation explained?

                Here’s a little info on Reactive Attachment Disorder; I’ve noticed it seems to get thrown around a lot in cases of adopted children from Russia. It appears to be quite rare, which is what arouses my curiosity; why is it mentioned so often? The answer – maybe – is that it provides a pretty good explanation why your child is underweight and seems to be zoned out when visited by social workers (if they ever do visit; I’m afraid I don’t know the details of adoptive relationships in the case of international adoptions). The literature emphasizes that it is a complex psychiatric diagnosis which should never be assigned by anyone but a qualified psychiatric professional.

                It also offers the convenient escape that it could be caused by terrible conditions in Russia before the child was adopted, and since it usually presents by age 5 it is possible but not certain the Cravers would have known about it upon adoption; he was adopted in 2003 (along with his twin sister) and died in 2007, so he would have been only 3 when adopted. The boy was home-schooled, which is why teachers did not notice his physical condition. Very, very sad.

                The Cravers got away with time served and 3 years probation, on charges of child endangerment, and I have to believe there was a psychiatric professional involved in the court case because if they were not guilty of any wrongdoing – which is to say if there was no evidence of it – they likely would have been let go with the court’s sympathies. It’s also unlikely they would have lost custody of the child’s sister, which is the case, or been forbidden any contact with her.

              • Alina Israeli says:

                21 girls, but none from Russia: http://poundpuplegacy.org/node/19947
                Half-truth is a lie.

                • kirill says:

                  BS. His point stands regardless of the nationality of the adopted children. That the US did not allow the Russian government to follow up on the conditions of Russian children adopted by US parents (as was the case here, you liar) is sufficient grounds to ban adoptions by US parents all by itself. The sanctimonious US has no excuse for this severe human rights abuse to continue for years. If the Russian government had a chance to check these criminals would have been exposed early on. Their right to privacy does not apply to hiding child abuse. The children have rights and it is clear the parents should not have total authority over them until the age of 18.

                • marknesop says:

                  I’m pretty sure concern for Russian children had little to do with the ban; Russia and the USA had already hammered out an agreement which would have Russia able to check up on the conditions and safety of adopted Russian children, and that agreement will remain in effect for children already there. I don’t see any harm in agreeing the ban was purely a reaction to the Sergei Magnitsky law, because the adoption ban was no more childish and spiteful than the Magnitsky Law itself, and in fact lies totally within Russia’s purview, while the Magnitsky Law is a complete reversal of democratic principles and due process. Americans do not like to be told there is something they cannot have that the rest of the world can, even if only a tiny proportion of them ever take advantage of it. And as I keep saying, I’m sure the unilateral repeal of Magnitsky would go a long way toward building trust, with a view to the possible repeal eventually of the Dima Yakovlev Law as well.

          • marknesop says:

            The couple could give the boy a good education?? Have there been new developments in education in the USA which render it superior to the education he could get in Russia? Unless they’re talking like La Russophobe, who loves to point out that all the top-ranked colleges rated by the English-speaking world are in the USA. Is there a chance they were planning to send him to Harvard? What percentage of American students attend top colleges?

  56. kirill says:

    http://redhotrussia.com/chechen-man-slitting-throat/

    All videos that offend one’s sensibilities are fake. The above is a good example why all the experts trotted out to “debunk” a video should not be given the benefit of the doubt. Do people really expect Hollywood productions from such videos? All these videos will look like cheesy amateur videos because they are that in the first place.

  57. kirill says:

    RIAN is literally full of sh*t. They have been pushing up the “dung Cobra” story to the top two slots for the past two days. This non-news is hardly so important that it should get this treatment. Seems like these RIAN clowns are trying to plant a certain impression in the minds of their readers: i.e. Russia = sh*t.

    • Misha says:

      Been evident for quite some time. That venue is by no means alone.

      A source not likely to get picked up by RIAN or JRL:

      http://aminuk.org/index.php?idmenu=12&idsubmenu=317&language=en

      Unabashedly supporting competent analysis regularly getting the shaft by establishment propped wonky tonk/phony crony in attitude venues.

      Improvement comes by brining on board competent people who don’t suck up/play down existing fault lines. On this point, there’s a good deal which can be improved upon.

  58. Moscow Exile says:

    RIAN has definitely been got at.

  59. Moscow Exile says:

    RT reports that the the ban on the adoption of Russian orphans by US citizens only comes into force on January 1st, 2014.

    According to the RT article, Russian presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov has stated that the terms of the Russia-US adoption agreement as they stood prior to the passing of the “Dima Yakovlev Law” are still in force “until the first day of January 2014”.

    According to its terms, the adoption agreement between Russia and the USA shall remain in force for one year after either of the parties informs the other about its intention to end it.

    So 14-year-old Max, now resident in a “grim” Chelyabinsk orphanage, can now pack his bags and head off for the Commonwealth of Virginia and Udaltsov, together with other like-minded protesters, can stay at home tomorrow afternoon rather than make a nuisance of themselves in central Moscow whilst having to endure sub-zero temperatures, because a year is a long time in politics.

  60. Moscow Exile says:

    And somebody has just posted the following to the above linked RT article on the adoption banning, saying that it had already been deleted and that RT was not telling the full story about Peskov’s statwement:

    “– the one year delay (until January 2014) is stipulated by the denunciation procedure of Russo-US Agreement about adoptions and applies to that Agreement only;

    – he [Peskov] emphasized that the Agreement does not constitute “a mechanism which obligates Russia to provide children for adoptions”;

    – all adoptions which already have been finalized (there is a final decision by Russian Court) by January 2012 (this year) will proceed, and these children will be allowed to leave Russia regardless of how long it will take for them to leave.

    – adoptions which have been started before January 2012, but were not finalized are subject to the ban by the new law, and therefore have to be stopped.

    – no new adoptions proceeding can be initiated as of January 2013 (that is already in effect).”

    It seems that the RT article is making it look like the Russian government determination to impliment a ban on US adoptions is weaking.

    It will be interesting to see if the text quoted above will be deleted from RT.

    • Misha says:

      Is there one or more example of such at RT?

      In such a situation, there’re other scenarios, which could be a simple “Updated”, with the date of the change and no specifics, or the notation of an update, followed by a further comment.

      With numerous examples evident, RT is no stooge of the Russian government.

  61. Moscow Exile says:

    Which is what RIAN says here.

    • yalensis says:

      So I guess Max has to stay in Chel’abinsk. Since his so-called “adoption” by the Wallens was nowhere near finalized.

      • marknesop says:

        Right; I read the same on another site, about the American couple who wanted to adopt a little girl, it was one of the examples I cited further back in the discussion of the adoption ban. Their case was apparently quite far advanced but had not been finalized, and they did say that it was now before the court. There would not likely be a hearing on it now if they still had a whole year to complete the process.

  62. yalensis says:

    Dear Alexander Mercouris: I am moving down here to the bottom to answer your question from above thread. You asked if it is possible for somebody to modify another person’s email. The short answer is “Yes.”
    UNLESS… that person had thought to protect his email with an electronic signature cum authentication algorithm such as DKIM (=Domain Keys Identified Mail). If you use this or some similar product that protects your emails, then nobody can forge your (electronic) signature or alter the content of your emails.
    Recall that in the Navalny KirovLes case, Navalny and Ofitserov considered themselves to be very clever fellows because they used Gmail and DKIM to protect their correspondence. This came in handy for Hell when he hacked their emails, he could prove to the world that he hadn’t altered their content. Recall that initially Navalny blustered that the emails were only 80% authentic. Then Hell provided the DKIM key to prove that they were 100% authentic, and Navalny had to change his story. In retrospect, Navalny would have been better off if he had used a cheapskate email product, sent all his messages in cleartext, and then claimed that his messages had been forged or altered.
    In regard to the emails of Adagamov/Tatiana/Makarova, nobody has said whether or not they used DKIM. I am guessing they didn’t, probably none of these people are savvy enough to know about DKIM. The flip side for Adagamov is that he can claim that somebody forged or altered his incriminating responses. (Again, some handy tips for Adagamov’s lawyer, once he hires one.)

    • Dear Yalensis,

      Thanks for this.

      It seems to me that the state of this case at the moment is that we have a lot of allegations made by an obviously bitter and angry ex wife together with emails, which must come from her. What the ex wife says is hearsay and given her hatred for Adagamov we cannot be sure that she has not tampered with the emails. At the moment this doesn’t look like a strong case.

      Of course the situation may change completely when the victim herself says whatever she has to say. There’s also the possibility of further evidence such as a film. However I can understand why for the moment the authorities in Russia and Norway seem unenthusiastic about investigating this case.

      The one thing that does make one wonder is the extraordinary behaviour of Adagamov himself. As I have said already, given the nature of the allegations, if the allegations are untrue one would expect him to deny them completely and to protest his innocence. The fact that he is doing neither of these things is remarkable and must make many people think (like Adagamov’s ex lawyer) that he is guilty. The result is that Politrash is achieving his objective and Adagamov’s reputation is dust.

  63. marknesop says:

    In other news, over one million Georgians sign a petition for Mikheil Saakashvili to resign immediately and get his Columbia-educated ass out of the Presidential Palace. So it appears that all the western offering of the cold shoulder to Ivanishvili is not having the desired effect of driving home to Georgians that they made a terrible mistake by going against the west’s wishes, at least not yet.

    Say; it’s this month that most of the nation’s executive powers pass to Ivanishvili, under the constitutional amendments Saakashvili drafted. Back when he still thought he would be the one to occupy the office, that is.

    • Misha says:

      No need for Western neolibs and neocons to be too upset with Saak leaving. As has been preovisly noted (by yours truly amomng some others), it’s not like Ivanishvili is likely to divert too much away from matters like the one brought up in this piece:

      http://www.mod.gov.ge/en/news/1635

      RFE/RL and oD have run noticeable critical commentary of Saak. There’s also the example of one time Saak supporter turned Ivanishvili supporter Lincoln Mitchell (who seems to fall within the neolib-neocon zone of former USSR thinking) switching over to Ivanishvili.

      • Misha says:

        The last set of comments adds the thought that Saak still has pockets of support in the West, which are by no means so clear cut as had been evident.

        This one can be filed under the category of oy, yoy, yoy, yoy, yoy:

        http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2013/01/12/depardieuskygate-and-russias-global-drift/

        • Moscow Exile says:

          Another slap in the face for those that still support the tie-chewer happened the other day in the Georgian parliament, where, according to this RT report, for the first time in the country’s modern history, the presidential veto was overturned and a new law signed “granting freedom to about 200 political prisoners, as well as thousands of others”.

          If these political prisoners were to tell their version of the events that led to their incarcerations, would the Georgian placeman still enjoy Western support?

          • Misha says:

            Big powers don’t like it when a leader of their perceived chess piece exhibits noticeable deficiences. Diem in 1960s South Vietnam and Amin in 1970s Afghanistan serve as prime examples.

          • kirill says:

            So we have real evidence of 200 political prisoners incarcerated by the Saakashvili regime. Not a single mention of these prisoners by Amnesty International (sorry some obscure reference that takes a week to find on their website is an obvious ass covering exercise). The hate filled liberast opposition in Russia could not even produce a list to 50 names and threw in some actual criminals and of course Saint Khodorkovsky.

  64. Moscow Exile says:

    Right! The show should be starting about now at Pushkinskaya. It’s minus 13C (8.6F) right now with light snow falling.

    Wonder if Udaltsov will be in his shades hatless again?

  65. Moscow Exile says:

    According to the RIAN online report on the march, the march organizers are handing out leaflets on which two questions are printed:

    “Are you against the Anti-Magnitsky law?”

    and:

    “Do you support the dissolution of the State Duma?”

    On each leaflet three people may cast their votes, in other words, there are the same two questions repeated three times.

    RIAN does not say anything about the glaringly obvious fact that on each leaflet one person can clearly answer the same two questions three times!

    And it ain’t no secret ballot!

    And these idiots are always screaming about vote rigging – only if a vote goes against themselves, of course.

    “Those who have arrived at the event”, reports RIAN, “which has to start at 14.00, are carrying portraits and the names of deputies and senators who supported the “Anti-Magnitsky law”.

    According to Komsomolskaya Pravda, Deputy Secretary of the General Council of “United Russia”, Andrei Isayev, has named all going to the march protesting against the “Dima Yakovlev law” as “enemies of Russia’s sovereignty”.

    Of course they are!

    They all seem to want to be US citizens, or at least live under US legislation.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      The cops reckon that there are about 4,500 there.

      Again: Moscow population is…who knows for sure now?

      At a very conservative estimate 11 million. Some reckon it’s as high as 14 million. The UK right-wing Telegraph even said 7 months ago it might be 17 million.

      A lot of bydlo in Mosccow, it seems.
      :-)

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Up to 7,000 protesters, according to the cops at 14:25, and from the chopper photos taken now (16:00) at the end of the meeting, I should say that there are about 12,000 there.

        There’s no speechifying planned for the end of the march, but protesters have ceremoniously thrown their placards, each bearing the name and portrait of a Duma delegate that voted for the “Anti-Magnitsky Bill” and the word “For Shame!” on it, into a skip.

        There’s a picture of Udaltsov doing this with his cohorts: as usual, he’s got his shades on and his skinhead is uncovered.

        It’s minus 11C (12.2F) now and there’s light snow falling. I’m pretty sure Udaltsov and pals are trying to recreate symbolically that scene when fascist banners were ceremoniously dumped in front of Lenin’s tomb by guardsmen during the first Victory in Europe celebrations,1945.

        What a prick! (Udaltsov, I mean.)

        RIAN reports at 15:09:

        В прошлом архитектор, а сейчас пенсионерка Инна Петровна пришла на марш с плакатом, на одной стороне которого написаны социальные требования, в том числе протест против “антимагнитского закона”, а на другой стороне — призывы к оппозиции и фраза о недопустимости революции.

        [Formerly an architect, now retired, Inna has come to the march with a placard, on one side of which are written social demands, including a protest against the "Anti-Magnitsky Law", whilst on the other there are appeals to the opposition with a phrase about revolution being a non-starter.]

        I reckon there are plenty more such as Inna on the march: people who hold no truck with Udaltsov and other traitors, but who are dismayed at this law in particular and over social questions in general, but who certainly want nothing to do with the violent
        overthrow of an elected government.

        However, in taking part in such a march, Inna and her like are, sadly, being manipulated in a way that they are just too naive to imagine possible.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          The party’s over and the cops say the march peaked at 9,500.

          I believe the cops. I really do! I’ve said before that I’ve always got on fine with Moscow’s finest – must be my personal charm or whatever – and have no cause to complain about them or their abilty to estimate the size of crowds.

          There’s a picture of Udaltsov here</ sowing him talking on his phone – and he's wearing a woolen cap and he hasn't got his shades on.

          So he does cover his skinhead in cold weather!

          I suppose his skinhead and shades are part of his "tough guy" image.

          He's bourgeoise, really, and his name is Tyutyukin – his father was профессор Станислав Васильевич Тютюкин, according to this entry in the Russian Wiki, which entry is considerably larger than that concerning Udaltsov and which apppears in the English Wiki.

        • Dear Moscow Exile,

          I suspect Inna is the exception rather than the rule.

          The people who have turned up to this march are surely basically the same people who go to every march and who make up what it is reasonable to call Russia’s “protest community”. Every large country has a “protest community” who regularly turn up to marches. In some like France and Italy the “protest community” is larger than in others but in no country does it constitute a significant proportion of the population.

          Back in the summer I calculated the Russian “protest community” on the basis of the turnout during the summer protests at between 15-20,000. Taken as a proportion of the whole population it is an insignificant number. As I have repeatedly said, what fooled people about the size of the “protest community” in Russia is that before December 2011 its leaders preferred illegal unauthorised protests to legal authorised ones. What the previous march on Lubyanka Square showed is that even the “protest community” in Russia is (like Inna) basically law abiding and non revolutionary and is not prepared to come to illegal protests. For a very brief period, roughly between December 2011 and February 2012, the size of the protests increased because the usual “protest community” was joined by a roughly similar number of people who are affiliated to the parliamentary parties (the KPRF, Just Cause, Yabloko and the LDPR). In the spring of 2011 (before the March Presidential election) these people peeled away as they and the leaders of the parliamentary parties became disillusioned with the “protest community” and its leaders and the way in which they tried to monopolise political activity at the protests.

          This march seems to be significantly smaller than the normal turnout of 15-20,000. This may be an indicator that political protests are continuing to decline and that the “protest community” is shrinking or that many within the “protest community” quietly support the Dima Yakovlev law (which is after all strongly popular with the population as a whole) or that some people were put off by the cold weather or that the haste with which this protest was organised prevented many people from coming.

          Most (though obviously not all) of the members of the “protest community” will be young people, as is the case in every other country, and many of them will be students or people who think of themselves or who identify themselves in some way with the student community. They are also the people who are behind most (though again not all) the opposition internet chatter.

    • marknesop says:

      Maybe they could have the demonstration at the airport next time. Then they could just march them onto waiting planes afterward, fly them to LAX and leave them on the tarmac. Welcome to America.

  66. Moscow Exile says:

    Oh, I almost forgot: there was no bludgeoning by the police of demonstrators, no beating to a pulp of peaceful protesters in this country where to protest against Putin and the powers that be means risking not only your being sent to a gulag but members of your family as well, where you will be beaten and tortured. And if you are a journalist and say bad things about he-who-must-be-obeyed, you will be shot dead on the street like a rabid dog or may even have polonium slipped into your watery tea whilst eating foul cabbage soup at one of the many shitty Moscow proletarian canteens.

    But as some Frenchman allegedly wrote in “Le Parisien”: “If Gérard wants to prove to the world that Russia really is a democracy, let him take part in an anti-Kremlin demonstration”. (Source: tyzhden.ua [Ukrainian], from Austere Insomniac.)

    Quite!

    God, it’s hell here!

  67. Moscow Exile says:

    Testing.
    A breakdown in communications perhaps?

    • marknesop says:

      Sorry; you went into the spam filter, along with Sweet And Nubile Nicky, Facebook Hackers and Lista de Emails (a Brazilian site which has spammed me for so long that we’re almost like old friends, and I’m often tempted to let one through just so they can advertise their product, whatever it is). My spam filter is Akismet, it comes with WordPress, and I don’t know its reasoning criteria but it is rarely wrong. Less so the other way, even – it hardly ever lets something through which is spam, and I’ve had to personally delete maybe 5 messages in 3 years which were spam, but somehow got through. Anyway, I always check it sooner or later, and will rescue non-spam messages. I recovered yours, but since it was already duplicated, I deleted it.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        I wonder why it got spammed? There were no nubile Slavic nymphs adorning the sites that I linked (I think), though they are often present advertising assorted wares and services.

        Jezebels!
        :-)

        • marknesop says:

          Shameless, indeed. I think a little one-on-one counseling is called for there. I don’t know, as I mentioned, what Akismet uses for flags to dump stuff in the spam filter, although it often used to nail Misha and Sinotibetan for messages which contained a lot of links, such as those flogging a product frequently do. But yours had only a couple. I’m not sure; sometimes it’s a file extension (such as a .aspx) that triggers it also.

  68. kirill says:

    After hearing the telephone interview with some Le Monde hack in the Khodorkovsky documentary I have to not a single shred of respect for such opinionated douchebags. This Frenchman never set foot in Russia and thinks he knows all there is to know about it. Everything he reads from journalist vermin pushing an agenda is God’s honest truth to him.

    With enough effort it is possible for me in Canada to get a realistic picture of the situation. It helps to have relatives and to visit, but this is not essential. The anti-Russian propaganda in the western media is very, very weak. And as you point out, Moscow Exile, there is an obvious contradiction to the narrative.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      And this is how the BBC reports the release of prisoners in Georgia.

      They’re all criminals, see!

      No mention of political prisoners.

      And after this reckless act of liberation, the tie chewer and others now fear a return to the criminality of the ’90s, namely that state of the nation that occured before the US appointee got his 96% plus majority landslide presidential election victory, which was also a HUGE victory for democracy in the former Soviet satrap republic that Georgia was.

      Yeah, right.

    • Dear Kirill,

      if you follow Le Monde regularly you would know that this is all too typical. Le Monde long ago went over to the liberal interventionist camp. Indeed it is a key news media supporter of it.

      For a completely different perspective read Le Monde Diplomatique, a totally different newspaper despite its name which takes a consistently very interesting view of world affairs.

  69. Moscow Exile says:

    According to RT, the attendance at today’s march has been estimated by its organizers to have been as large as 50,000.

    That’s five times larger than the cops estimated.

    Something seriously wrong with those police officers’ eyes.

  70. Moscow Exile says:

    The KP correspondent Aleksandr Grishin in his report states:

    “Да, поначалу в районе 13 часов, общее количество участников, прошедших рамки металлоконтроля, вряд ли превышало 5 тысяч человек. Но к моменту начала шествия подошло намного больше народу. И, в конце концов, общее количество участников шествия можно было оценивать в районе 40-45 тысяч”.

    [Yes, in the beginning, at around 1 o'clock, barely 5,000 had passed through the metal control gates, but by the time the procession had got under way a lot more had arrived. In the end the total number of participants in the march might have come to about 40-45 thousand.]

    A reader replies in the comments section:

    “Не в «районе 40-45 тысяч», а 400-500 миллионов, чего мелочиться-то? Там на пике было меньше 7 тысяч, но кому интересны реальные цифры?”

    [Not in the region of 40 to 50 thousand but 400 to 500 milllion - why play the numbers down? At its peak there were fewer than 7 thousand there, but who's interested in the real numbers?]

    The march started off at 2 o’clock but the police allowed the protesters to start passing through the control gates at 1 o’clock: they were counted in. At the start of the march the police reported 4,500 present. I read this figure as it was posted live. By 14:25 I read live as the police posted a revised figure of 7,000 that had passed through the gates. Now Grishin is maintaining that between 2 o’clock and 4 o’clock, when the march ended, another THIRTY-FIVE to FORTY THOUSAND people had joined the march – but from where? Had they filtered in by way of side streets? Had they snuck through the gates at the start point without the cops noticing?

    Of course, the number that Grishin gives is also that stated by the organizers.

    The final number given by the police is 9,500.

    One thing about these figures is clearly apparent: those given by the organizers and those given by the police seem to consistently differ by the same order of magnitude.

  71. Moscow Exile says:

    And Voice of America, whose correspondent, it claims, was present, states that she estimates that 20 thousand participated. VoA also states the organizers’ estimate is 30,000:

    Количество участников марша оценивается по-разному. ГУВД Москвы сообщает о 9,5 тысяч участников. Одновременно с этим, организаторы говорят о 30 тысяч человек. Корреспондент Русской службы «Голоса Америки», которая принимала участие в марше, считает, что марш собрал заявленные 20 тысяч человек.

    [There are different estimates concerning the number that participated. The Moscow City Police says 9,500 whilst the organizers are talking about 30,000 people. The correspondent for the Russian service of "Voice of America", who took part, believes that the march brought together the 20,000 people who had applied to take part.]

    And there’s the rub! For the march was only licenced, so to speak, for 20,000 participants: that was one of the terms and conditions laid down by City Hall that the skinhead Udaltsov had agreed to comply with. So VoA’s girl on the spot is saying: “You see: Our hero accepted a 20,000 limitation and 20,000, therefore, dutifully answered his call.

    Yet at the end of the day’s event, the organizers claim that up to 50,000 took part.

    Well, we’ll see. Because if so many did attend, Udaltsov wil have to pay a fine.

    Remember when the “pro-Putin” meeting took place at Poklonniye Gory one year ago – the meeting that outnumbered the Bolotnaya white-ribbon one held on the same day and which caused Western journalistss to claim that the “pro-Kremlin” mob had been paid to attend and had all been bused in? Well the organizers of that meeting were fined because those that gathered on the hills had exceeded the maximum as previously laid down by City Hall that were allowed to attend.

    • kirill says:

      This is just pathetic. Nobody is stopping every Muscovite from going out onto the street and protesting. Yet supposedly only 20,000 were “allowed”. Did they have to get tickets?

      If there was real discontent with the majority elected leader of the country then it would occur spontaneously across the country. Instead we have a scraping together of the usual suspects in Moscow. And they clearly number less than 50,000. What about St. Petersburg? You would have unsanctioned protests everywhere and all the time.

      The whole premise of this demonstration is ridiculous. They are openly acting like 5th columnists. If they care so much about the children “orphans” why don’t they adopt some? Judging by their clothes they can afford it. Or do they only care if some US citizens get to adopt? It’s bizarre anyway you slice it.

  72. Moscow Exile says:

    9,500?
    20,000?
    35,000?
    40,000?
    50,000?

    Five arrests reported. No violence.

    They’re called “courageous” people in the Western press and Guardianistas and their like write such stirring comments about them such as: “We salute you!”

    You see, each one of them is endangering not only his or her life but also the lives of his or her family members, their nearest and dearest, such is the oppressive terror-regime in which they are forced to exist, living on only faul tasting, watery cabbage soup and rotten fish, all washed down with bad vodka.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      See how those evil, thuggish, brutish Moscow police handle poor, oppressed Russians?

      Mafia state!

      • Dear Moscow Exile,

        We are back to the old story of people making up the numbers.

        As I have said on previous occasions, the only people who have an accurate number of the turnout at these protests are the police who count the number of people who go through their barriers and who are therefore in possession of an accurate headcount and and who not therefore obliged to rely on estimates. Anybody who disputes the numbers publicly provided by the police is saying the police are lying.

        There is no evidence the police are lying. Personally I have no doubt the police are providing accurate figures of the number who go through their barriers. They must be providing the true figure, whatever it is, to the central MVD, to the FSB, the Moscow city administration and the Kremlin. It beggars belief that after more a year of these protests some leak would not have happened if there was a major discrepancy between the numbers the police privately have and which they are privately reporting to the large bureaucracies of the MVD, the FSB, the Moscow city administration and Kremlin authorities and the figures which they publicly announce. The Moscow city administration especially is known to have its share of opposition supporters and it is difficult to believe that if there was some major discrepancy in the figures this fact would not have been disclosed by now. Also my impression of the size of these protests, which is admittedly subjective but is based on some experience, is that they cannot be very far out of line with the numbers the police are reporting.

        It is important to say that the number that the police are giving is the number of people who pass through their barriers and who they count. This is not necessarily the same number as the number of people who turn out for these protests. At the Sakharova protest on 24th December 2011 the police turned away a large number of the people who turned up for the rally and who were therefore unable to pass through the barriers and who as a result didn’t get counted. Also some of the protests, such as the garden ring protest last February, were of a sort where it is simply impossible to set up barriers so that any calculation of the size of the protest must depend on a much cruder headcount. However in those protests such as the one yesterday where the great majority of protesters must pass through barriers in order to participate the police figure should be treated as reliable. If the police say 9,500 people turned up that is an understatement but the total number cannot be much higher. Certainly it cannot come close to the fantastic figures of 20-50,000 VOA and various opposition figures are bandying about.

        • marknesop says:

          I’d be willing to bet the claimed numbers would change rapidly in the event organizers were charged for exceeding the permitted numbers – then, it’d be “How do you know how many were there? You’re just exaggerating the numbers to extort money from me, you dirty Kremlin tyrants!! You’re oppressing the political opposition!! I’m reporting you to the National Endowment for Democracy – see what happens to you, you’re going on the Magnitsky List!!”

          In fact, just for fun, the city should start exaggerating the numbers of demonstrators by a wide margin every time; reporting, say a million and a half turnout for a demonstration of about 10,000 and fining the organizers accordingly. It should simultaneously pretend to be terrified of the demonstrations, and ask representatives of the opposition to meet with the government at once, and then make an appointment for some inconvenient time and cancel it the day before. It would not take long before the demonstrations were an international laughingstock.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            And the winner for reporting the most exaggerated estimate of the numbers that participated in Sunday’s march must go to (surprise, surprise) the Moscow Times:

            “Some participants estimated that there were more than 100,000 people there, outstripping protests held in December 2011 following disputed parliamentary elections”.

            • marknesop says:

              Then the official figure should be 200,000, and a fine levied for numbers over the 20,000 applied for and approved. Go big or go home. If people began to mutter, “There couldn’t have been 10,000 there, that’s ridiculous”, well, that’s the point, isn’t it?

              I would just be concerned that Russian schoolchildren will begin to lose their advantage in mathematics over their western counterparts if the adults they look to for example cannot tell the difference between 10,000 and ten times that number.

              • Misha says:

                More likely a matter of ethics, than not actually knowing how to give an accurate estimate.

                There’s also the ongoing issue of the subconsciously duped. If an established “respected” venue like….. says so, unlike some perceived crackpot….

        • kirill says:

          With demonstrations we can always do an accurate assessment of the number of participants by analyzing video and photographs. We don’t need opinions and claims to have the truth. The organizer claims are routinely nonsensical inflations of the true numbers and not just in Russia.

          • Misha says:

            Makes no difference among a good number in the propped chattering class.

            One example is Michael Dobbs’ propaganda blog on former Yugoslavia, which has included the deletion of some valid comments that don’t go his way – much unlike the personally insulting and factually/intelligently challenged pro-Bosnian Muslim nationalist comments that don’t seem to ever get censored.

            Fat chance that FP will editorially intervene, given that it was most probably someone on FP’s edit staff doing the deletions, which have taken the form of clean sweeping a given commenter’s posting history.

            Such a venue has no credibility on lecturing Russian mass media. In contrast, RFE/RL is pretty good in accepting and leaving on dissenting comments – still a far cry from objectivity, given the slant of the articles – which sends a message on what kind of views are acceptable for payola.

            • kirill says:

              I gave up on the western media during the 1990s thanks mostly to the butchering of the truth during the Yugoslavia breakup. Unfortunately, most media consumers are suckers of the P. T. Barnum variety that swallow caricatures instead of complex facts. The whole notion that atrocities are some exclusive activity of one side in a civil war is beyond inane. It is transcendently retarded. But at the end of the day, these media consumers want to feel good about themselves and their “tribe” or country. If people want to know why there are wars they should look in the mirror and ponder the consequences of acting like lemmings.

              • Misha says:

                Regarding the 1990s wars in fomrer Yugoslavia, Roy Gutman won a Pulitzer, as he stated McCarthyite like suggestions against others (Peter Brock and yours truly) for being Milosevic supporters – an example of how conflicts get simplified with inaccurate personal asides, that take away from the geopolitically inconvenient substantive factors.

                Gutman has had at least two RT appearances. Calling that station Russian government propaganda speaks little of the Russian government, in a way that’s different from those stating such.

          • marknesop says:

            “With demonstrations we can always do an accurate assessment of the number of participants by analyzing video and photographs.”

            Yes, you can; it isn’t even that difficult at the basic level, as we’ve examined before. In crowds where the density seems pretty uniform, break it into grid squares, count the heads in one square and multiply. You should come out with a figure that is fairly accurate. You’d also have to confirm the photo was taken when the crowd was at its peak, and other due diligence codicils. But you’d certainly be able to tell who was much closer to accurate – the police, or event organizers. You couldn’t even come up with a figure that was double that the police offered, never mind exaggerations of 5 times as many, which are common.

            I’m just saying it would be funny to watch the opposition’s reaction if the authorities started one-upping them and then fining them for exceeding their projected numbers. I bet there would be rapid analyses in the western press which proposed all sorts of methods of counting crowds, in order to show that the administration was lying. But nobody cares that the opposition is lying, and in fact their outsize figures are widely reported and probably believed.

            • kirill says:

              It does have the potential of putting the propagandists and their street theater operatives in a spot. But as we see in the media, facts are malleable and information is selective. I think what will happen is that the joke turnout figures will be treated as real and the fines as further evidence of crackdown on dissent. I doubt fines are an effective way to shut down these clowns and their circus. Russian TV news and newspapers should have detailed video and photographs of these events. One picture is worth a thousand words and I believe that most Russians will make up their own minds as to what is going down.

              • marknesop says:

                I agree; photos and video should be de rigueur for these protests. But if the government took to exaggerating the figures and then levying fines, the opposition would indeed be in a spot, because you can’t have it both ways – the law is clear. The opposition plainly knows what figures it can realistically expect when it seeks permits for 20,000, and even that is wildly optimistic since it only pulls in about half that. If they asked permission for 20,000 and the city authorities claimed 80,000 turned up, and then levied fines for that number, the oppos would have to go along with the pretense and pay a fine, or acknowledge that the numbers are just not there. I suppose they could get around that by asking permission for a million, but there’s no way you could make 10,000 look like a million.

                You can’t simultaneously claim “The pace of protest is quickening, and we are pulling in more people each time” and “The Kremlin is picking on us by exaggerating our numbers so they can fine us”. How sad would you look if you had to acknowledge the authorities are boosting your cause for you by making your cause seem way more popular than it is?

                Anyway, just a “wouldn’t it be funny if…”, because the government will not do it. But they are fools for not noting that Gene Sharp’s playbook works just as well in reverse, and the more you can make the opposition leaders objects of wry ridicule, the more to your advantage it is.

          • yalensis says:

            Even if there had been only 7000 people, it sill bothers me that 7000 open traitors can be found in the city of Moscow. It was different when people thought they were demonstrating against domestic issues like voter fraud and corruption. But this is actual foreign policy we are talking about. Core foreign policy issues affecting Russia’s sovereignty. And these are people who have ripped off their masks and openly saying that Russia needs to be puppet of USA when it comes to foreign policy. I peruse Opps blogs and commentaries, and these types of people are in it for the whole enchilada: They mock Hugo Chavez and hope he dies soon. They curse out Assad and root for the jihadists in Syria. They love Saakashvili. And the list goes on. They will not be satisifed with anything less than Russia being ruled from Washington DC Obkom (like a big Gruzia). That’s the only way that some of these people will ever seen a government post in their future.
            Granted, Opps numbers are relatively small in regard to the overall population of Russia. They would never win an election, but they don’t necessarily have to. Did the Benghazi jihadists win an election in Libya? No, nor could they, they just became the nucleus of an insurgency. Americans have proved that they can launch regional wars based on very little to actually go on. Just a couple of thousand insurgents as seed.
            The whole purpose of a fifth column is not to win popular elections, but to be in position and provide assistance when the war begins. Also, some of these fifth columnists happen to be influential people, media or otherwise. One infuential person should be counted as having the weight of 1000 ordinary people. (Just like in the Trojan War, Achilles was said to be the equivalent of 1000 regular Greek soldiers.)

            • kirill says:

              Having a core of agitators start a revolution only works if there are conditions for such a revolution to occur in the first place. The Sunni majority in Syria has had a bad experience over the last decades (including the massacres by Assad’s daddy about 30 years ago). In some ways it was the inverse of Iraq where the Shi’ite majority was under the heel of a Sunni minority. In Libya there are various tribal divisions that were being suppressed Tito style by Qaddafi. Syria and Libya are not relevant examples for Russia when it comes to the Moscow 5th columnist monkeys. In fact, it is the north Caucuses that are better analogues for Middle Eastern strife and the conflict in this part of Russia is ongoing.

              I am not impressed with 10,000 demonstrators coming out to whore for America. There are at the very least hundreds of thousands if not millions (5% of 142 million is a big number) of liberasts in Russia. I wonder why they can’t organize demonstrations in the 100,000+ range. They don’t have to do it in Moscow. They can do it across the country. That they don’t do this tells me that they are indeed powerless and it is likely that their numbers are exaggerated.

              The appeal of pro-Washington sycophancy and self-hate is limited in Russia and elsewhere. It is all the media attention to this irrelevant fringe that makes them and their “cause” appear to have some weight. The media is trying to hoodwink the Russian public into thinking there is something serious going on. But so far I don’t see this propaganda war making any progress.

              • Misha says:

                Like his earlier Soviet master, Tito (who opportunistically broke from Stalin) played divide and conquer games. In Serbia, Tito gave “autonomy” status to Kosovo and Vojvodina unlike Krajina, in Croatia’s Communist drawn boundary.

                With the possible exception of a very brief period immediately after WW II, post WW II western Ukraine didn’t became as violent as what was to become in Tito era Kosovo. Western press reports from the 1970s spoke of Albanian nationalist terrorism in that area.

                The 1970s anti-Serb movie Force 10 From Navarone (starring Franco Nero, Harrison Ford and Carl Weathers) was filmed in Yugoslavia. This movie erroneously depicts the Chetniks as Nazi stooges, while making no mention of the Croat Ustasha, whose methods shocked some of the Germans stationed in Yugoslavia. Without protest, the Communist Yugoslav government went along with that farcical movie.

              • Misha says:

                Regarding Assad and the Sunnis, I’m sensing that there’re more pro-Assad Sunnis than armed anti-Syrian government Alawites.

                Mass media reporting on tribal differences is periodically prone to misrepresentations. Some might recall an apartheid era South African Zulu chief, who was on relatively good terms with the South African government, while having differences with the ANC. Downplayed was how many and quite likely most Zulus didn’t support that chief in question. In more recent times, consider the kind of Ukrainian vikews typically getting the nod in English language mass media.

                For those truly concerned about improving upon mass media, beware of mass media appointed media reviews, like the one which recently sees someone absurdly suggest that Gessen is a Russian government mole, with the opposite promoted view calling her courageous.

                • Jen says:

                  @ Misha: That Zulu guy was called Buthelezi, wasn’t he? I vaguely recall reading that his stand caused considerable friction between Zulus and other South African blacks, and doubtless the apartheid-era government exploited that.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                Well, no matter how many turned up on Sunday, thereby reducing the Evil One to a quivering semblance of his once proud, ex-KGB self, the march has received minimal coverage in the British press: in the foreign section/Europe of the Grauniad, the Moscow “event” gets no mention at all.

                I wonder why? Has the British press finally conceded that it has been flogging a dead horse as regards the imminent ousting of the Russian head of state by elements of the bourgeoisie, arty-types, writers, boulevard guitar strummers, “students”, lounge lizards, cafe goers, actors, “celebrities”, rabid nationalists, Stalinists , paid agents of the US government etc., etc?

                I hardly think so.

                Having turned to the front online pages, I have just found the answer to my question: the UK is threatened by a 10cms fall of snow and has been put on an emergency footing.

            • marknesop says:

              “One infuential person should be counted as having the weight of 1000 ordinary people. (Just like in the Trojan War, Achilles was said to be the equivalent of 1000 regular Greek soldiers.)”

              It seems to have advanced considerably beyond that, to where one oppositionist has the actual numbers of 1000 non-protesters. It’s only the dupes of the Evil One who can’t see them.

        • peter says:

          It is important to say that the number that the police are giving is the number of people who pass through their barriers and who they count.

          Incorrect. The only number the police have given so far (9-9.5 thousand) is not the total number of people who passed through their barriers — it is instead some mysterious “peak” number.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Why “mysterious”?

            Surely “peak” in this context means the maximum estimated number observed as present at a point in time during the period of the demonstration that lasted from 14:00 until 16:30.

            Before and after the time when this “peak” number was observed, there were fewer there.

            Nothing Mysterious about that, or did 9,500 people suddenly appear at the demonstration at 14:00 and dutifully remain there until their disappearance at 16:30?

          • marknesop says:

            What does that mean, then? That it is impossible to fix the size of a crowd with any degree of accuracy? What possible motive would the police have for underestimating the size of a public crowd by more than 100%? To make it appear that there is no dissent in the Soviet Union? Oops; I mean the Russian Federation, little slip there.

            Obviously, people trained in estimating the size of a crowd, as the police are far more likely to be than event organizers who are “opposition politicians” in their private lives, could be off by a couple of hundred or so from each others count, but not by tens of thousands. This should be settled once and for all, because it’s just getting foolish. If demonstrators are inconvenienced by having to remain at the event until an accurate count can be established, well, then, it would not take long to highlight whose fault that was, would it?

            It appears to me the only authority making any effort to count the numbers is the police, whatever figure they may use, while the organizers glance around, dream a little dream of what it would be like to lead a real protest with actual momentum and passion, and then apply the arbitrary round-up by 10,000 just for luck.

            • Dear Peter,

              I discussed the question of the “peak” in a protest in a comment I made somewhere about a year ago. It was explained to me long ago by a senior Metropolitan Police Official here in London.

              Basically, there is a common pattern to protests. In all protests people come and go throughout the protest. However the two are not equal at any point in time during the protest. If they were there would be no visible protest. At the start of a protest and whilst it is going on far more people are coming than are going. At the culmination of the protest (“the peak”) the number of people coming dwindles but the number going is still small. That is the point when the number attending the protest reaches its largest size and that is presumably the number the Moscow police are giving. At some point after the peak is passed the protest ends and people the start attending the protest leave.

              The peak is not therefore the total number of people attending the protest. However on the assumption that relatively few have left before the protest reaches its peak it is not far off the total figure. That is a reasonably safe assumption with this protest given that its duration (like that of all the other protests) was short. Against that it may be that some people left early because of the cold. If we allow for people leaving the protest early together with some seepage (miscounting by the police at the barriers, people slipping through unnoticed etc) then we should add a few thousand to the peak figure. I am afraid my eyesight has now deteriorated past the point where I can view the videos Moscow Exile has posted but based on everything I have heard his original estimate of 12,000 people cannot be far off the true total.

              I would just say that once again I find myself surprised that Russian officialdom, in this case the Moscow police, apparently use terminology (in this case “the peak”) that is the same as that used by analogous authorities in the west.

              • Dear Mark,

                I don’t think we will see a situation where the police and the protesters agree on a turnout figure. That is I am afraid an idealistic hope that is simply not going to be realised given how strong an interest the protesters have in claiming that their protests are much larger than the police say. Even if the police were to say that 100,000 people had turned out for a protest, the protesters would be bound to say that the true number was “at least” half a million and the news media agencies that support them would agree. Even if independent counts were to corroborate completely the police figures the protesters would still deny their truth and we would still be getting conflicting accounts of the numbers

                The one thing I would say is that this is a game played in all protests everywhere. In every protest I know the police publish one figure and the protesters invariably announce another much higher figure. I can remember attending as an observer an anti war protest in Trafalgar Square in London and hearing one of the speakers proclaim that Blair “would be trembling in his shoes” because of the number of people at the protest, which he solemnly declared was 50,000. In fact there cannot have been as many as 1,000 people on the square when he was speaking.

              • peter says:

                The peak is not therefore the total number of people attending the protest.

                Correct.

                However… it is not far off the total figure.

                It depends. The difference can be significant for a march (as opposed to a static demo), especially if you cheat a bit when defining the protest zone.

                The question remains, therefore, why, rather than just report the total, the police have only disclosed the ill-defined and irrelevant peak number.

                • “The difference can be significant for a march (as opposed to a static demo), especially if you cheat a bit when defining the protest zone”.

                  Agreed.

                  “Why, rather than just report the total, the police have only disclosed the ill defined and irrelevant peak number.”

                  Obviously I am not in charge of the Moscow police, but as I understand it their practice during protests is to give numbers and update them over the course of the protest. I believe at one point for example they said the number present was 7,000. As the protest continued they reported that the number had increased to 9,500, which is the final figure in the series and the one everyone refers to.

                  In my opinion it would be a good idea to ask the police in future to give also the total number of people who they counted passing through their barriers throughout the protest (which of course is still not the same as the total number of people who actually attended). Has anyone publicly suggested it? I think they should. However I don’t think the peak figure is irrelevant since it is the figure that pertains to the images of the crowd that appear on television and in the print media and which form most people’s idea of the size of the protest.

                • Dear Peter,

                  Viz your point about cheating on the size of the protest zone, we know one occasion when that actually happened, which was during the Sakharova protest on 24th December 2011. If my memory serves me rightly the police announced that the peak figure for that protest was 29,000. In reality many more people turned up but were not allowed by the police to pass through their barriers to join the rest of the protest within the officially delimited protest zone. As far as I am aware that is the only occasion this has happened during these protests unless you include the protest on 6th May 2012, which I however do not, since that protest ended violently and prematurely so that it is impossible to give a reliable turnout figure.

            • yalensis says:

              The only way to settle this once and for all is to have the protests be an indoor event with tickets and assigned seating. Like going to the opera. And everybody has to be there on time. No latecomers.