Want to Know Why The USA is Slipping on All Fronts? Exhibit A.

Uncle Volodya says, "History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it. "

Uncle Volodya says, “History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it. “

I don’t read as much as I once did; I don’t have the time to give it the full attention it demands if I am going to learn anything. But I used to spend a lot of time in libraries, and developed the habit of choosing several books – usually three – at random. I reasoned that at least one would be good and might be great even if the other two were dogs, while if all three were terrific it would take every minute I had them out to finish them all. Anyway, it was my way of steering clear of reading only my favourite authors, discovering new ones and maybe picking up some insights I might otherwise never have glimpsed.

I picked up P.D. James’ “The Children of Men” before it attained cult status and was made into a film, and I have to say I never saw the climax coming; it is a marvelous story that will shake you. I took out and devoured  Val McDermid’s “A Place of Execution“, and became an instant fan; there is a twist in that story that almost made me drop the book in shock – once again, I never saw it coming, and I doubt anyone who is a first reader of the story will, simply brilliant storytelling.

But the book I’m moved to think of now, which I also read with fascination, was a non-fiction analysis of women. Yeah, I know, none of us can figure out why they think the way they do, and there is a great deal different between us over and above our plumbing – some of the decision-making processes women use seem totally irrational to me, although obviously I have tremendous respect for women writers, and my wife’s calm pragmatism turns my teeth sideways sometimes because there is no use arguing with someone who is right. Anyway, the book was Kate Fillion’s “Lip Service: The Truth About Women’s Darker Side in Love, Sex and Friendship“.

I won’t spoil it for you by quoting extensively from it, but suffice it to say I remember it well although it has probably been 15 years since I read it. It is made up of short scenarios, some of which will make you shake your head in wonder. In one, a woman asks her friend to review a presentation she will be delivering to a board of executives at her company the following day. The woman who is asked to review it realizes it is full of errors and unsupported conclusions, but reasons – incredibly – that what her friend needs now is unconditional support. So she says it looks great to her (I’m paraphrasing). The first woman makes no changes to the presentation, delivers it the next day and is torn to shreds by her boss. Totally preventable. Would a man have done that to another man? Maybe if he was too lazy to help the other guy fix it, or hated him. Neither of those possibilities follows the same logic path.

Anyway, I thought of that scenario with the impact of epiphany when I read this piece by David Rothkopf, Editor of Foreign Policy Magazine since 2012. You might think “Vladimir Putin’s Terrific, Triumphant, All Good Totally Awesome Year” is comprised of fulsome praise, judging by the title. And there is an element of that, although it is grudging, bitter and sarcastic. But in the main it is just about as full of lies and ridiculous assumptions based on lies and tropes as Glenn Beck is full of whatever it is that turns ordinary people into crazy objects of mockery.

Like Woman B in the scenario above, David Rothkopf is blowing sunshine up the asses of his readers just when they are probably trusting him to tell them the truth. What is the effect of believing a tapestry of complete excreta instead of knowing the truth? Being ill-informed, and making bad decisions as a consequence.

Before we get started, David Rothkopf is not a stupid man. Not conventionally, anyway. He is President and CEO of Garten Rothkopf, an international advisory company specializing in global political risk, energy, resource, technology and emerging markets issues, and the author of numerous internationally acclaimed books including most recently “Power, Inc.”, “Superclass” and “Running the World.” He writes a regular column for CNN and is a frequent contributor to leading newspapers and magazines including The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Financial Times, CNN, Newsweek, Time, and many others. Additionally, he is a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, chairman of the National Strategic Investment Dialogue and serves or has recently served as a member of the advisory boards of the Center for Global Development, the Center for the Study of the Presidency, the U.S. Institute of Peace and the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Last but not least, he served as CEO of Intellibridge Corporation, Managing Director of Kissinger Associates and as both U.S. Deputy Under Secretary of Commerce for International Trade and as Acting Under Secretary, in which capacity he directed the activities of the 2400 person International Trade Administration during the Clinton Administration.  He has taught international affairs at Columbia University’s Graduate School of International and Public Affairs, the Georgetown School of Foreign Service and has lectured at leading universities including Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford, the National Defense University and the Naval War College. All this is, of course, from his bio.

As well, he is – as mentioned – editor of Foreign Policy Magazine, a frequent winner of the National Magazine Award. Here’s what the judges said about it in 2009;

Serious without being pompous, deep without being self-indulgent, Foreign Policy is an essential modern guide to global politics, economics, and ideas for people who want to know what’s really happening in an increasingly complicated worldForeign Policy both simplifies and clarifies complex topics with crisp, insightful writing and clear design (emphasis mine).

For people who want to know what’s really happening, huh? All right, let’s use that as a filter. A smart guy who has a huge breadth of experience in politics, economics and foreign affairs, telling us what’s really happening.

Vladimir Putin’s country’s economy is in the tank and sinking fast, says the smart guy who knows what’s really happening and is some kind of economics genius. Is that so? I don’t see how. Russia’s GDP growth rate was a contraction for the first quarter of 2014, true. However, annual growth, while not fantastic, has been fairly steady, and GDP per capita PPP is still increasing steadily. What about the other half of the equation – debt? Russia’s declined slightly, to around $720 Billion. How is the USA doing? Debt declined slightly there, too – to around $4.5 Trillion. Whose economy is in the tank?

Unemployment in Russia decreased in March 2014 to 5.4%, from around 7% in 2007. Unemployment in the United States was unchanged in March 2014 at 6.7%, up from about where Russia’s is now in 2007.  In fact, of the G7 nations (what the group likes to call itself now that it has “suspended” the only member that is not choked by debt) and among the major industrialized countries, only Germany and Japan had jobs for as high a percentage of the working-age population as they did at the end of 2007. In the fourth quarter of 2013, more than half of Americans aged 15 to 24 were unemployed, a dip of 6.5% since 2007.

Whose economy is in the tank and sinking fast? Remember, this is the guy who knows what’s really going on. He would probably tell you Russia’s economy is a slave to energy. So? The USA’s economy is a slave to debt and borrowing overreach predicated on being the owner of the world’s reserve currency, and its growth until very recently has been fueled by massive printing of dollars and equally massive purchase of its own debt. Which is the more volatile situation? Don’t wait for the smart guy to tell you – what do you think?

Whoops! Maybe he’s talking about the sanctions the USA slapped on Russia, like that traffic “boot” they used to put on your car if you parked illegally. That will have made their economy grind to a halt, surely? Actually, not so much.

Well, make them tougher, then. Oooohhh…are you sure you want to do that? I mean, there would go the $1 Billion Russian buyers have put into the American residential real estate market since 2012, or at least any more like it. But that’s peanuts. There, in all probability, would go the $500 Billion joint venture between Rosneft and Exxon Mobil, “one of the most mutually beneficial business relationships in the history of the oil industry”. There, too – although not in the same class, but a few bucks nonetheless – would go Morgan Stanley’s plans (desperate hopes, actually) to sell their oil-trading business to Rosneft. Morgan Stanley gave candidate Obama more than half a million in campaign funds back in 2008; I’m sure they would be…disappointed.

Let’s move on. Oh, look – the smart guy who knows what’s really going on says Putin’s personal fortune is “estimated in the billions”. Estimated by whom? Stanislav Belkovsky, that’s who. Stas Belkovsky, who was The Economist’s informant when they blabbed that Putin owned more than 70% of Gunvor, and then had to withdraw it in embarrassment when Gennady Timchenko – then co-owner of Gunvor – threatened to sue. Stas Belkovsky, legendary for writing tabloid fodder such as that Putin’s only friends are his pets, that he has been searching all his life for a surrogate family, that he uses body doubles to disguise periodic bouts of crippling illness and may be “latently gay”. He qualifies that to ensure he will not be sued, but also neatly dispenses with the rumour that Putin is getting it on with Alina Kabayeva –  which Rothkopf is perfectly happy to pass along – as “nothing more than an invention of his PR advisors”. Stas Belkovsky, who cracked up in the summer of 2012, denounced the political opposition and offered to personally fight for Putin with his grandfather’s sidearm and a canister of napalm he keeps hidden at his dacha, if only Putin would pardon him. Excellent source, David, very reliable. Obviously it is the people who really know what’s going on who keep giving Belkovsky money so he can tell them exactly what they want to hear.

Rothkopf alleges that Snowden’s arrival in Russia – the departure from whence was neatly blocked by the USA revoking his passport – “almost certainly gave Moscow’s intelligence agencies access to the treasure trove lurking in [his] hard-drives”. He probably did not even have the computers by that time, having given everything to the reporter Glenn Greenwald, who allegedly has not himself disclosed anything like all of the “treasure trove” of damaging information in his possession. Rothkopf’s sarcastic asides divert attention from the obvious truism that the best way not to get caught spying on your own people and your allies would be to not do it.

Similarly, Rothkopf announces that Russian “spies and Special Forces” are “stirring up unrest” in Ukraine as if it were a well-established fact. OSCE observers have repeatedly said the demonstrations of unrest appear local in origin and attendance.

You may have noticed that when I am profiling a person in a post, I usually start out polite, but by the middle of the post or so I have dropped the “Mister” and am a little less respectful. The reason for that is that by the middle of their article they are usually making such dicks of themselves that I have come to consider them unworthy of respect. Rothkopf is no exception, referring to the annexation of Crimea as a “shocking, bald-faced aggression”. It was nothing of the kind. Crimeans voted in a referendum – overseen by OSCE obervers who saw nothing to complain about – to secede from Ukraine in a unilateral declaration of independence. Stick the Budapest Memorandum where the sun never shines – it has no relevance whatsoever to a unilateral declaration of independence, which international law accepts as being outside its mandate. While we are on the subject, Russia did not promise in the Budapest Memorandum to religiously observe Ukraine’s territorial integrity, but rather to not threaten or use force against it. Once again, a unilateral declaration of independence implies neither of those on Russia’s part. The signatories also pledged not to coerce Ukraine by economic means to a subordinate role. Isn’t that what the EU is doing? The UK is part of the EU, and the United States is a signatory as well. Although the Russian buy of Ukrainian debt was to have conditions mostly to protect the security of the money, Russia did not specify political reforms by Ukraine as part of the deal. Has the IMF done that? It most certainly has.

In fact, the referendum was such a game-changer as a support to a unilateral declaration of independence, and Kosovo such an obvious precedent that Obama, the Constitutional Scholar, was reduced to lying to the whole world from Brussels about Kosovo having also held a referendum prior to its declaration of independence, which never happened.

He segues smoothly into Syria, where Bashar al-Assad got away with gassing his own people to death, thanks to Putin’s intervention. What this should make you realize, if you have been following the lurching roller-coaster of current events, is that the western regime-changers think the populations they lead are stupid – moreover, they rely on it – and could not succeed if they could not manipulate the narrative from early-morning gas attacks in Damascus just as western inspectors arrived in the city, to snipers shooting protesters from rooftops in Kiev after a deal that was not quite satisfactory (since it allowed Yanukovych to remain both alive and president for a little while longer) was struck between the opposition and Yanukovych which gave the opposition everything it had asked for.

From Rothkopf’s perspective, the Russian counterattack in 2008 which kept South Ossetia and Abkhazia from being forcibly made part of Georgia was a failure, because it “sent the rest of Georgia headlong into the arms of the EU as a consequence.” Did it? Is Georgia a member of the EU? I must have missed that. And even had it done so, how would passively watching while Saakashvili seized the two recalcitrant republics and made them  part of the Georgian landscape have played to Russia’s interests? Was Saakashvili not sufficiently committed to joining the EU and NATO for Rothkopf to notice? In fact, ensuring continuing border disputes was probably all that kept Georgia out of the EU.

Again, Rothkopf knows this. He’s just laying down a smokescreen for the proles.

Having run through most of the cheap shots – skipping over the one where all Russians are raving alcoholics, presumably because Foreign Policy is a class magazine – he leans on the groaner that Russia has a demographic problem that Putin’s capering and mugging for the crowd will not resolve. Does it? I’m afraid it doesn’t look that way to me. But once again, Rothkopf is playing to the gallery of the ignorant, where he knows the seeds he sows will find fertile ground.

Rothkopf’s barrow-load of deliberate falsehoods and insinuations serve to frame up a familiar construct of Russia for the rubes – aggressive, barbaric, sliding back into savagery before our very eyes as it seizes upon whatever it wants – the only thing required to ensure the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing to stop it, right? You can fool some of the people some of the time, but the number of people this sort of deliberate misdirection can fool is steadily shrinking, and what goes around comes around.

“How often, you wonder, has the direction of your life been shaped by such misunderstandings? How many opportunities have you been denied–or, for that matter, awarded–because someone failed to see you properly? How many friends have you lost, how many have you gained, because they glimpsed some element of your personality that shone through for only an instant, and in circumstances you could never reproduce? An illusion of water shimmering at the far bend of a highway.”

Kevin Brockmeier, “The View From the Seventh Layer

 

 

 

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1,148 Responses to Want to Know Why The USA is Slipping on All Fronts? Exhibit A.

  1. ThatJ says:

    This is why I love Zero Hedge:

    East Ukraine “Defies” Putin, Will Hold Independence Referendum

    Yesterday, when like clockwork the algos were fooled by the latest “de-escalation” fig leaf offered by Russia, in which Putin casually threw it out there that east Ukraine should postpone its referendum sending the stock market surging, we said “naturally, since there will be no delay as Kiev does not even bother to discuss the referendum while Donetsk will push on but certainly aware of Putin’s distance-providing “reservation”, Putin will “sadly” have to accept the referendum results.” Less than 24 hours later we are proven right once more when moments ago the head of the elections commission of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, Denis Pushilin, said the decision was unanimous to go ahead with Sunday’s vote as planned. So much for that, and indeed, Putin will “sadly” have to accept the Donetsk decision to become independent, and most likely ask Russia to protect it, in less than a week.

    Full article: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/east-ukraine-will-hold-independence-referendum-despite-putin-plea-postpone

    —–

    In other words, Putin publicly says no, don’t go ahead with the referendum. They go ahead anyway, showing the world they are not under Russia’s command, since that country’s leader is being openly defied by the “sovereign people of Donetsk who obey no one but themselves”. So the people vote for independence, then ask Russia’s protection, and Russia sends the army in to protect the independent republic from Kiev’s aggression. Great plan!

    So yes, Russia will likely send the army after Donetsk becomes independent. What comes next? This is all speculation, but I am led to believe, as of today, that Russia will in the next months chew parts of eastern and southern Ukraine and then assemble them into an independent country, likely named Novorossiya (New Russia), free from Galicia and Kiev, and this country will join the Eurasian Union, and will be massively supported with Moscow’s abundant cash reserves, the population’s salaries go up, they become pacified and happy, and the industries are put in a new path to modernization. The population will also be taught about their historic ties with Russia and that it was Russian imperialism, after Moscow got tired of the constant Turkic Tatar raids and kidnappings of the country’s Slavic population, that they went all the way to Southern Ukraine and conquered the region from the Tatars, including Odessa and Crimea, allowing ethnic Ukrainians further north to settle there. You will have Russia, Belarussia, and Novorussia — the Slavic lands reunited!

    Regarding the West, especially countries like England, France and Germany, me thinks it’s time for Russia to plant the seeds of discord among the population unhappy with American imperialism, mass immigration and population replacement (or genocide, i.e. the demise of an identifiable racial or ethnic group due to the deliberate policies of the ruling class, whether they are killed or not, as defined by the UN), austerity, postmodernism, atheism and the hostility to religion and the family. There are many fronts to use against the EU.

    • ThatJ says:

      I said: You will have Russia, Belarussia, and Novorussia — the Slavic lands reunited!

      I meant to say reunited under an union, in this case the Eurasian Union. But the names of Russia, Belarus and Novorossiya all bear something in common: the reference to the Rus’ people.

    • Jen says:

      Looks as if Putin has some skill in the art of reverse psychology.

      He throws out a statement requesting that Donetsk and other eastern Ukrainian oblasts postpone their referenda. Immediately those oblasts say they’re going ahead, demonstrating their determination to break away from Kyiv and perhaps form the nucleus of a new state.

      At the same time the Western news media interpret his statement as a retreat and start up a celebratory war-dance. While Western leaders bluster and say he must do more, Putin maintains his diplomatic stand and lets Lavrov continue his attack-dog role. In the meantime, Kyiv continues to blunder and flail about. Oblasts in central and south-central Ukraine that are currently undecided as to where their loyalties should lie might over time consider throwing in their lot with the east and Odessa.

      Eventually the east and the maritime oblasts all the way to and including Odessa and Transnistria secede to Russia or form Novorossia without Russia having to fire a single shot. The EU is left with the Banderite boonies and other imported (and resentful) militants who infiltrate its member nations, Kyiv is surrounded by hostile states and the US / NATO is left with a hefty financial bill and a long list of war crimes.

      It’s a risky strategy that needs nerves of steel and lots of patience, and which relies on other people doing certain things over and over, based on what you know they’ve done in the past and what they’re doing now. In this case, Kyiv is locked into using force and violence for short-term gain, wasting money and manpower, all for nothing. Mercenaries want pay and if Kyiv can’t cough up, they’ll either leave or throw in their lot with someone else (maybe on the separatists’ side?) who can pay. The bulk of the Ukrainian military is probably already fighting for the separatist side.

      • kirill says:

        I think Putin’s intelligence background makes him think he can win this war with covert methods and given the current state of Ukraine I believe he is right. I don’t know why people expected Putin to invade Ukraine. That is not his style and it would be totally counterproductive. The west is flailing in the face of a leader with a high IQ. The lying and screeching by NATO is pathetic.

  2. ucgsblog says:

    Wrote this for my blog, but then realized that it’s too small for a blog, so posting it here, it’s called: Delusion, Addiction, Resignation and a Glimmer of Hope

    The future is not hard to predict. At least not at this point, unless the Peacekeepers are sent in. The leaders in charge of Ukraine fail to see that Federalization and Crimean Recognition are the only way to preserve Ukraine. The West, faced with resignation at home and an addiction to believe that they must intervene absolutely everywhere, struggles to save face. The people of Ukraine are sick and tired of Oligarch rule, of Kolomoiskis and Tarutas. And Russia has mostly given up hope on negotiating a peace agreement; to be sure there’s still a glimmer of hope, perhaps a Kerry “misspeak” calling for peacekeepers in Ukraine, but short of that…

    Unless the peacekeepers are sent in, here’s what will happen: Donetsk and Lugansk will hold their referendum and secede. Seeing them as the DonBass Republic, Russia will move their soldiers into the region and crush the Ukrainian army at the Battle of Slavyansk. Gas subsidies and slow improvements in living conditions will follow, at the expense of the Ukrainian Oligarchs. Kharkov and Odessa will follow suit. Slowly but surely Ukraine will begin losing territories. At this point there will be frantic calls for peacekeepers, but the size of the contingent will be argued until all of Southeastern Ukraine secedes.

    At this point the peacekeepers will be sent into Carpathia and Central Ukraine. Crimea will thrive, and those parts of Ukraine will push for Federalization and eventual independence. There will be no real reaction from the West. If the EU dares to impose sanctions on Russia, the response will be swift: sanctions against Western Ukraine, and reciprocal anti-EU sanctions. This would ensure that in addition to austerity, the EU countries will have to deal with Western Ukraine, which will be an even bigger disaster than Kosovo, and Russian sanctions. Can the EU handle that much pressure? Whatever the case, Russia will “get away with it” since Americans are too resigned to fight unless US is directly attacked, and Russians aren’t idiots.

    To prove my point, I’ll quote US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel: http://news.yahoo.com/hagel-warns-americans-risks-isolationism-163944254.html

    Washington (AFP) – US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Tuesday warned Americans against isolationism, saying the United States could not afford to turn away from the world’s crises.
    Hagel’s appeal coincides with a growing fatigue at home with the country’s international commitments, after 13 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Pentagon chief acknowledged Americans were wary of foreign commitments but said the costs of pulling back from the world would carry even bigger risks. “Turning inward, history teaches us, does not insulate us from the world’s troubles,” Hagel said in a speech in Chicago. “It only forces us to be more engaged later — at a higher cost in blood and treasure, and often on the terms of others,” he said.

    Hagel said staying engaged with the world was not an act of “charity” but a matter of practical national interests. “Although Americans today are increasingly skeptical of foreign engagement and global responsibilities, it is a mistake to view those responsibilities as a burden or as charity,” Hagel said. “Let us remember that the biggest beneficiaries of American leadership and engagement in the world are the American people,” he said. The current era of “unprecedented prosperity” could not be taken for granted and had evolved partly due to America’s diplomacy and military strength, Hagel said. He said that “walking away from the world, and our relationships, is not an option for the United States.”

    You know the Spirit of Intervention is low when the US DefSec is promising improvements in Social Rights and fearmongering. However, even Hagel makes several interesting claims in his passionate plea: “Let us remember that the biggest beneficiaries of American leadership and engagement in the world are the American people” – Have you analysis, numbers and proof of that? How did the American people benefit from: Yugoslavia, Somalia, Iraq, Haiti, Kosovo, Philippines, Liberia, Mali, Yemen, Libya, and Congo?

    “The current era of “unprecedented prosperity” could not be taken for granted” – what era of “unprecedented prosperity” is he referring to? The “Era of Unprecedented Prosperity” ended with the Housing Bubble Collapse; as a result fewer Americans are working, and those who are have to do more work with less time available. Republicans and Democrats cannot even handle immigration. The solution to solving the US Immigration Crisis is simple: pass a law demanding that businesses who hire illegals pay massive fines, to the point where it would be twenty times as expensive to hire an illegal as it would be to hire a US citizen or permanent resident.

    But that law won’t be on the books in this “Era of Unprecedented Prosperity” because the Republicans depend on the businesses to get elected and the Democrats depend on the votes of the immigrants, some of whom initially came into the US illegally, and a good of them chunk support illegal immigration.

    As was the case with Obamacare or with Bush’s tax cuts, the Democrats take from the middle class and give to the poor, while the Republicans take from the middle class and give to the rich. Understandably the middle class’ appetite for wasting more money on pointless interventions, including up to five billion dollars on Ukraine, is quite limited. The wealthy care about preserving their wealth more than they care about playing Globocop. The War in Iraq, combined with the Bailout, charged middle class to yell “be gone one percent!” The wealthy don’t want a repeat of that for obvious reasons. As for the poor, considering that they’re either living from paycheck to paycheck or living on the already strained government subsidies, they can’t afford it.

    The EU middle class is already annoyed with austerity, rabidly against the Russian sanctions and do not want another Kosovo. What are the Russian demands to end the crisis? Crimea to Russia, Federalization for Ukraine, Ukraine must pay for gas and a multipolar ideology must be followed, with the Right Sector/Svoboda being utterly destroyed. However, Russia has a growing middle class, the intervention in Ukraine is massively popular in Russia, and Putin has massive cash reserves. When your opponent is holding a flush, and you’re holding a pair of twos, fold! It’s as simple as that.

    And again, this would leave only Moldova as the dividing aspect between the Customs Union and the European Union, and this would be easily solved by a single, regional referendum, within six months. And then you’d have a stable Europe, with the Caucasus, (minus Turkey) as part of the CU, Moldova, (except Pridnestrovie and Gaugazia,) as part of the EU, and then we have clear cut borders. Problem solved. In light of everything, the Russian demands don’t seem that harsh. Or we can have warfare and poverty in Europe. Personally I’d prefer peace and stability, but I’d also fold if I have a pair of twos against a flush.

    • marknesop says:

      This is great stuff, and I doubt the current state of affairs has ever been marketed as an effort to reach a sensible resolution of simmering border disputes. For good reason – certain countries nurture border disputes as engines of destasbilization.

  3. Moscow Exile says:

    15,000 Ukrainian troops now on Russian border reports RT:

    The West has repeatedly accused Moscow of deploying armed forces close to the borders with Ukraine and demanded to pull them back. At the same time, NATO has lately increased its activity in the region near the borders of Russia. On May, 5 NATO started its Spring Storm drills in Estonia. The 6,000-troop exercise is the biggest since 2003 when Spring Storm was first held.

    On Wednesday NATO said it may permanently station additional troops in Eastern Europe as a defensive measure.

    Victory Day tomorrow.

    I have a feeling that something may happen…

    It’s called Kesselschlacht in German – an encirclement battle.

    Interestingly, the greatest encirclement battle in history was in 1941 – around Kiev.

    Nah!

    No chance!

  4. ThatJ says:

    Ukrainian military surround Mariupol City Hall, shoot at protesters (VIDEO)
    http://rt.com/news/157752-mariupol-military-shoot-protesters/

    • yalensis says:

      There have been a lot of reports like that, even in Western media.
      Both in Mariupol and other places.
      In other words, Ukrainian military move in, do some stuff, take some ground, maybe even shoot a few people.
      And then they pack up and go away, not holding the ground they just fought for so hard.
      And then the locals move back in.

      It’s almost like the Ukrainian military is just phoning it in. They get orders to do some action, so they do it, but then they lose interest and go away, as soon as their supervisor turns his back.

      • Southerncross says:

        The explanation I heard goes: Kolomoisky pays for liberating public buildings, not guarding them. If they get captured again, you get to liberate them again.

        • ucgsblog says:

          They should give a cut to the self-defenders. That way they can liberate a building every hour. The same building. Multiply the effect all across the front and you’ll have a good amount of income redistribution going.

          • Southerncross says:

            Better yet, one group of the self-defence guys could pretend to be Ukrainian national guards.

            • Jen says:

              They could swap sides every hour and if they get bored, they telephone the next lot of Ukrainian national guards / self-defenders guarding a building and negotiate to swap buildings and back again.

  5. ThatJ says:

    (machine translated, good news)
    Demoralization of the Ukrainian army
    May 9, 0:09

    No matter how trying the Nazis, but the whole army to make war against its own people does not work. Morale somewhere around skirting is. In the area Sloviansk desertion is so completely systematic.

    Below is another typical case.


    (ThatJ: I’m not a Russian speaker, but the translated title is Defector with Ukrainian troops: “Let the plant! But my mother will live in peace”)

    It is typical for the Crimean Spring picture, people do not want to kill their fellow citizens. In Crimea, the vast majority of these were, as a consequence and not shed blood.
    That is why under the Slavic pay $5000 for fly and look different skins willing to kill for money, or indeed for the idea.
    But the majority of the population is constantly under pressure, which decomposes the conditionally efficient part.

    In Dnipropetrovsk region pro -minded citizens committed provocation Verhovtsevo railway station, according to the website of the Ministry of Defense in Facebook. ” Another confirmation that the separatists do not shun any opportunity to make a provocation. Verhovtsevo At the train station, which is located in the Dnipropetrovsk region, on the eve of an unprecedented 9 May in its cynicism case. When military train our soldiers and equipment after a scheduled stop at the station moved on separatists and Russian provocateurs with accompanying music – one of the famous Nazi marches… “- said in a statement. ” We see that a blatant lie, manipulation, humiliation, leveling human and moral values ​​- the most effective weapon occupant propaganda that the Kremlin puppeteers put into the hands of the separatists. Gebbelovskoy Using the basic principles of propaganda aimed at discrediting Command APU, reduced morale of our troops they do not shun anything “, – stressed in the Defense Ministry.
    http://112.ua/politika/na-zh-d-stancii-v-dnepropetrovskoy-obl-prorossiyskie-grazhdane-vklyuchili-nacistskiy-marsh-pri-otpravlenii-eshelona-s-ukrainskimi-voennymi-59773.html – zinc

    That is because ” villains ” corrupts morale punishers. But just what is sufficient to include the Nazi march, showing the essence of punitive action. Naturally, for those who are friends with the head, this neighborhood is not the most comfortable and it is for reasons reluctance Ukrainian army to fight against their own people, punitive operation junta stalled, do not have enough willing to shoot their own people, the fascists themselves can not cope, and the army on grassroots leadership clearly sabotaging orders punitive.

    • kirill says:

      This is why Putin does not want to invade Ukraine. The Kiev regime is the best thing to destroy itself. A paradox but a reality. Trying to crush it will give it life. Leaving it to ruin the economy and kill innocents will speed its demise.

      Russia will sit this out on the sidelines and NATO is going to get all the real blame. NATO, after all, is brazenly backing the regime.

    • yalensis says:

      пускай посадят should be translated as “Let them throw me in jail” instead of “Let the plant” .
      🙂

      • marknesop says:

        Yeah, machine translation has its limits, and it’s more or less what you would get if you were listening to a conversation and could speak maybe a couple of hundred words in Russian – you would get a good idea of what the conversation was about but would be light on the details. Still, it’s a great deal better than when we had nothing, and posting a link in another language was a waste of time.

        Machine translations of articles which featured Alexey Navalny (there’s a name from the past) frequently referred to him in English as “Alexey Bulk”.

  6. kirill says:

    Fun with statistics:

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/49402/

    The activity of Russia’s sea ports increased by 6.2% in the first four months of this year versus last year. But we are told that Russia’s economy is stagnating. Something does not add up.

  7. yalensis says:

    So, it is May 9 now, in both Kiev and in Moscow.
    For some, this is a day of Victory.
    For others [hint, hint: Nazis], this is a day of defeat.
    For Banderites, this is a day of deceit.
    Being Nazis, for them this is a day of defeat, but they turn Defeat into Deceit.
    Being congenital liars, they try to pretend that this is a day of Ambiguity.
    (i.e., There was right and wrong on both sides of that giant debate that we call WWII. Yeah, it’s an existential conundrum, it’s beyond Human Understanding)

    Hence, our dear Veruca today congratulated the veterans of WWII, by which he means their “grandfathers” who fought in Bandera’s UPA army.

    In Veruca’s own words:

    “Антитеррористическая операция, которая длится на Донетчине и где наши воины демонстрируют такую же доблесть, как их деды и прадеды в Красной армии или УПА, направлена исключительно против террористов.”

    TRANSLATION
    “The anti-terrorist operation which is taking place in Donbass, and where our warriors demonstrate the same kind of virtue as their forefathers in the Red Army, or in UPA, is directed exclusively against terrorists…”
    END OF TRANSLATION

    Yeah, Red Army, UPA, it’s all the same thing. Both sides wore clothes and carried guns.
    Okay, I know I am sounding like a broken clock, now, but, really, YOU HAVE TO PICK A SIDE!
    Either you honor the Red Army, or you honor UPA.
    You cannot honor both.
    (Since they were at each others throats and desperately trying to kill each other.)

    I think of all the things about the Banderites that I despise, this is the thing that I despise the most: that they lie and ambiguate about their true feelings, and which side they are actually on.

    If you are a Nazi, then BE a Nazi. I will still hate you, but I will also respect you more, just for being and admitting who you are.
    And please do not try to hide behind “ambiguity”. There is no ambituity, when it comes to this particular war. You are either on one side, or you are on the other. This is not rocket science, dudes!

    • marknesop says:

      What ambiguity? Their warriors are fighting exclusively against terrorists! Therefore the young woman who was shot in the head on her balcony in Slavyansk must have been a terrorist. The army units who opened up on the car of the young nurse in Kramatorsk without knowing anything about who was in it must have just sensed she was a terrorist by the vibrations in the air, and they successfully killed her. But they fight only against terrorists.

  8. Kulobi says:

    Pew has just published results of a public opinion survey in Ukraine conducted throughout April http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/08/despite-concerns-about-governance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/
    Despite dodgy methodology (one key question was formulated as ‘Do you approve of secessionism?’ with no alternatives such as ‘greater autonomy’ or ‘federalisation’) it basically attests to a deeply divided society. Some novel findings that stood out for me are:
    – residents of Crimea are deliriously happy;
    – the junta’s appeal is waning (“a lack of confidence in the new political leadership”);
    – fewer than half believe the upcoming presidential election in Ukraine will be fairly conducted”.

    • apc27 says:

      This poll, I believe, is the best answer to Karl’s increasingly frantic calls for Putin to do something.

      I am sorry, but if the majority of Eastern Ukrainians cannot open their eyes, get their sh.t together and actually do something for themselves, why should Russia suffer loses for these bums?

      Crimeans wanted to be with Russia and now they are. They are safe, the future of their children secure. Eastern Ukrainians complain about Kiev, but what have they, as people (not as some praiseworthy exceptions in Slavyansk), have done to get out of the hole they are in?

      To be honest I do not understand what Karl is on about with his call for morality and protection of Russians’ Ukrainian “brothers”. Some “brothers” they are… If I were Putin I would tighten every screw I could over all of Ukraine, while doing everything to make the Crimea prosper. Let the West Ukraine drown in its own bile and let the East squeal. Maybe after enough of them have been killed by Nazi thugs, the rest will learn that you cannot just sit on your ass, waiting to saved, while at the same time spitting on the only people who actually give a damn about you.

      • ThatJ says:

        The poll was conducted between April 5-23, well before the Odessa massacre and the army’s large assault against the eastern cities and civilian casualties. Today opinion must be more anti-junta (in the whole country) and pro-Russia (in the east).

        • apc27 says:

          Maybe, but I doubt it. Look at Odessa itself. 50 of their neighbors, co-workers, friends get burned alive, shot and beaten to death by out of town thugs… and what happens? Did we see the whole city rise up against them? Did we see people across central and Western Ukraine protesting “not in my name”? Did we see people in the East, where its safer to protest, coming out in tens of thousands in condemnation of that atrocity?

          Can you imagine some group from outside committing something like that in YOUR city and YOU just sitting on YOUR ass and doing nothing while your city burns, no matter how much official support the thugs may have? Because that is exactly what the absolute majority of Odessans had done.

          I am sorry, I have nothing against individual Ukrainians. I have family and friends there, some of the best human beings I know are among them, BUT they as people already lost much of my respect when they allowed Orange mass delusion to happen TWICE, and now when Nazi scum are killing them they still do nothing, are hardly at all grateful for all the crap Russia had taken for their sake, yet still expect to be saved by it.

        • Fern says:

          ThatJ, a recent opinion poll (to which I posted a link somewhere above) found that 35% of Ukrainians living in western and central regions supported Kiev’s actions in the south and east while 40% favoured talks but with the proviso that those regions must remain part of Ukraine – the rest of the sample were ‘don’t knows’/’don’t have an opinion’. So support for the junta is actually quite high.

          • ThatJ says:

            I saw this poll. Actually, I remember the result was:

            35% support the junta’s punitive actions
            40% favour talks about more autonomy as long as Ukraine remains united
            15% think the regions can secede if they so wish

            … the rest is like you said, don’t know / don’t have an opinion.

            So if you count 40% (moderately anti-junta) + 15% (extremely anti-junta) as “anti-junta” or “unhappy with the government”, you have 55%, which is a majority. Then on the side of you have 35% of crazed Galicians from the east and to a lesser degree central Ukrainians who fully support the non-compromising position of the junta in submitting the entire country under its boots. Promising numbers, if you ask me.

  9. yalensis says:

    Meanwhile. we are learning that 13 American mercenaries from Blackwater/Greystone were killed in Slav’ansk .
    They were in helicopters that were shot down by insurgents over Slav’ansk.

    There were actually 14 American mercenaries, 13 were killed, and one survived, his name is given as Captain Savuilov.

    There are reports that this Greystone pilot, Savuilov, was the same guy as was the sole survivor of these helicopter shoot-downs, of which the local residents saved him and gave him medical assistance.

    Meanwhile, the U.S. refused to accept the bodies of the other 13, because they have to pretend they don’t know them.

    • kirill says:

      In my view NATO has military assets deployed in Ukraine without a doubt. But this story seems like sand in the eyes. Why would there be so many people on board the two Mi-24 helicopters that were shot down? These attack helicopters are not really troop transports even if they can carry eight troops. These mercenaries could have been on board the Mi-8 that crashed.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        There were reports ages ago of a drone team down in Kherson oblast, weren’t there, and that a drone had even been brought down intact – and that was before the Crimea referendum?

      • yalensis says:

        I know it’s all dodgy, and most of the time I wouldn’t pay too much to these types of stories, unless doubly confirmed.

        The only thing about this particular story that caught my eye and caused me to pass it on is that they gave an actual name of an actual person (=Savuilov), they are usually a lot more vague than that (as in “a bunch of Blackwater mercenaries…” etc.)

      • Al says:

        Nope. Mi-24/35s are a unique combination of heavy assault gunship & and troop transport helicopters. They also can use the cabin for missile and rocket reloads in the field. The Indian government apparently requested a JV with Russia to design and build a follow on helicopter but the Russian government wasn’t interested. The South African’s built a ‘lite’ version that modernised the fuselage with new materials and save a lot of weight.

        What does surprise me is how easily they were brought down as they are heavily protected, but I suppose even then, bad tactics are bad tactics.

        https://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-24.htm

        • marknesop says:

          Depends where they hit it. Those are a conventional main rotor/tail rotor design rather than a contra-rotator like the Kamov naval designs, and the weakness is the tail rotor which counters the tremendous torque of the main rotor. If the tail rotor is destroyed or stopped, the body of the helicopter spins uncontrollably and lift is not possible. Irregulars, especially if they are relying on small arms, usually shoot for the tail rotor, with second-best being the engine housing and the cockpit, although the latter two are better protected. But rotors are laminate construction and it does not take much damage to make them delaminate and come apart.

          • Al says:

            So then it is bad tactics? I understand that they would be more or less stationary dropping off or picking up troops and therefore much more easy to hit, but it is incredibly risky to do this so close to the enemy. If at all possible (unless you are trying to drop them behind enemy lines), I would assume you’d drop them off a bit further back. It’s not as if soldiers don’t have legs or get tired too easily.

            • marknesop says:

              The Americans developed a tactic for dropping off troops in Vietnam, recognizing that a helicopter in the hover is vulnerable. Anytime, really – they’re just thin aluminum plating to save on weight. You could build one that was armored but it would need a power plant like a 747 to lift off. They’re less vulnerable when they’re moving. Anyway, during landings and pickups the door gunners would spray the treeline whether they saw anyone or not, until the troops were out and they were lifting off.

              Obviously you cannot just mow down crowds of civilians, not when some of them might have video cameras. One of the reasons civil wars are so messy and complicated.

              • Al says:

                Have you read Robert Mason’s ‘Chickenhawk’?

                It is lower colon clenching reading at points….

                • marknesop says:

                  No, I haven’t, but now I will look for it. In a similar vein, although I must admit I enjoyed it for the humour as much as for the aerial combat, I unreservedly recommend Derek Robinson’s, “Piece Of Cake“. Fictional, but loosely based on real events, and the men who would sing “Always Look on the Bright Side” after being shot up by an Exocet will leap into context, because the RAF was and probably is just as bonkers. Wonderful, probably in the top 5 most memorable books I have ever read.

                • Al says:

                  Hmm, no ‘reply’ link.

                  Piece of Cake is a classic. ‘Moggy’ & the bastard ‘Cattermole’ characters if I remember correctly.

                • marknesop says:

                  Yes, that’s the one. I think I’ve read all his books, and nothing else comes close to “Piece of Cake”; it was his masterpiece. It was a huge story.

                • marknesop says:

                  Comments are currently “nested” 8 deep – any more than that, and the last comment is so narrow that many single words will not fit and have to be truncated. Consequently, if the eighth comment is already taken, there is no “reply” link after it.

  10. ThatJ says:

    (machine translation)

    Interesting stuff on troop movements fascist junta.

    Money allocated to the U.S. State Department contracts with PMCs to perform tasks in the Southeast have enough content on more than 260 foreign mercenaries, including installed:

    Dnipropetrovsk region :
    – Polish PMC «ASBS Othago» – 35 people, including military pilots – 8 people;
    – Italian PMC «Lettera- 43″ – 15 people.

    Donetsk (all American PMCs)
    – “Hello Trust” – 35 people;
    – “Greystone” – 140 people;
    – “Kyubikeppl and keyshninterneshnl” – 25 people.

    In addition, the state located in Donetsk U.S. military experts in Germany, Poland and Georgia. These soldiers have been combat coordination within tactical subversive groups (departments ) of 4-6, with the characteristic feature is the presence in the group 2 snipers. Total of about 30 groups, with four armored vehicles given to them three policemen and army armored personnel carriers .

    • kirill says:

      Not surprising that NATO agents are active in Ukraine. That is why NATO media and politicians scream so hard about Russian GRU agents. Very old and effective (for sheeple) ploy of accusing “them” of what you are doing.

    • yalensis says:

      Dear ThatJ:
      This one looks very interesting. Can you give a link to the original piece in the original language?

  11. ThatJ says:

    Stunning Clip Of How Russia Is “Not” Preparing For Nuclear War
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/stunning-clip-how-russia-not-preparing-war

  12. Fern says:

    This is completely off-topic but it just caught my eye when grazing around various sites and it seems to capture a sort of zeitgeist – a 90 year old American WW2 veteran has just been sentenced for acting as a cocaine courier for a Mexican drug cartel. One way of boosting income in retirement.

    Back to Ukraine. Kiev has announced that it is ‘ready’ to pay its outstanding gas bills to Gazprom within 10 days but only at a price of $268 per 1,000 cubic meters. In a moment of largesse, Kiev has added it is willing to pay “even the debts incurred by the former government’. So this looks like the opening salvo of campaign number 154 to continue to get free gas – repudiate that proportion of the debt incurred under Yanukovich’s government. If Gazprom does not agree to the rate of $268, Kiev intends to file suit in the Stockholm Court of Arbitration. I guess the idea that the purpose of contracts is that they are honoured is a tad passé. I very much hope Gazprom does not budge one iota on this.
    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_08/Ukraine-ready-to-pay-gas-debt-to-Russia-within-10-days-at-268-6282/

    One of the commentators over at either ‘Moon of Alabama’ or ‘The Saker’ was suggesting that Putin’s announcement of the withdrawal of Russian troops from the borders of Ukraine was to forestall a possible false flag operation whereby junta forces wearing Russian uniforms would undertake an apparent cross-border raid killing Ukrainian soldiers and possibly civilians. Quite plausible, I think.

    • kirill says:

      The Kiev regime and its NATO patrons should be prepared for a different game this time around. Before Russia was constrained by trying to keep Ukraine intact and having to compromise to keep its Crimean bases. Now it can actually turn off the tap officially. This will hurt eastern Ukraine but there is already a state of economic disruption there:

      http://www.kyivpost.com/content/business/separatists-prompt-firtash-to-shut-down-ammonia-plants-346980.html

      The above are natural gas dependent industrial plants. If such plants are being shutdown then so can the gas supply. But there is the problem of not helping the regime by making common Ukrainians suffer.

      • marknesop says:

        Is it possible to supply only the east? I thought that’s where the bulk of the pipeline network was. Isn’t it possible to isolate parts of the pipeline? Not remotely, I suppose. I’m sure it can be done, but it would have to be done manually from inside Ukraine.

      • yalensis says:

        There is still the problem with supplying Crimea with gas. They get it from East Ukrainian pipes. So, Russia is in a bind, can’t shut off the gas without hurting Crimea.

        P.S. in that KyivPost piece they had some good commentary (it’s usually terrible), I liked this exchange between an American and a “Limey” Troll:

        Irene Guy (Florida Institute of Technology):
        Dave, Russia was selling Ukraine natural gas at a huge discount. You know nothing, my friend, except of the US official propaganda. Corruption is home grown in Ukraine. Let me quote the CIA Factbook on Ukraine.
        “After Russia, the Ukrainian republic was the most important economic component of the former Soviet Union, producing about four times the output of the next-ranking republic. Its fertile black soil generated more than one-fourth of Soviet agricultural output, and its farms provided substantial quantities of meat, milk, grain, and vegetables to other republics. Likewise, its diversified heavy industry supplied the unique equipment (for example, large diameter pipes) and raw materials to industrial and mining sites (vertical drilling apparatus) in other regions of the former USSR. Shortly after independence in August 1991, the Ukrainian Government liberalized most prices and erected a legal framework for privatization, but widespread resistance to reform within the government and the legislature soon stalled reform efforts and led to some backtracking. Output by 1999 had fallen to less than 40% of the 1991 level. Ukraine’s dependence on Russia for energy supplies and the lack of significant structural reform have made the Ukrainian economy vulnerable to external shocks. Ukraine depends on imports to meet about three-fourths of its annual oil and natural gas requirements and 100% of its nuclear fuel needs”
        Aren’t you surprised that even the CIA blames Ukrainian own government of stupidity and corruption?
        It is sweet to put blame at somebody else door, but millions of Ukrainians flood Russia every summer to work on various projects. They are great workers, many of them are good friends, but they consistently put CROOKS and IDIOTS in their government.

        Gary Proffitt (Darwen Vale High School) [a pro-Banderite troll is frequently on their site, usually delivering the usual anti-Putin and anti-Russian memes]:
        Irene Guy NATO is your problem my friend and watch
        your mouth and your actions as empires bigger than
        your glorified gas station have bit the dust many times.

        Irene Guy:
        Gary Proffitt
        You idiot, MY “Empire” is the strongest and the largest in the world, don’t you ever threaten it. The United States of America doesn’t like some limey idiot opening his big mouth and spouts slime about us “bite the dust”.

    • marknesop says:

      Such a cross-border raid would be incredibly risky, as it would rely heavily on nobody from the false-flag side getting killed. If several did and their bodies were recovered by the Ukrainian side, even if they were all tricked out with Russian identification the deception would soon unravel. Everybody in the military is identified, even in nations which employ conscript forces. You are still accounted for and identified, and there would immediately be an intense effort focused on identifying those people.

      Mind you, Kiev has grown so arrogant from having even its wildest tales believed – or, at least, not challenged – that they might well think they could get away with it. I also saw a snippet on Moon of Alabama about stolen uniforms, although I didn’t catch from who they were stolen. but even if they had real Russian uniforms, it would still be very hard to pull off.

  13. Fern says:

    Another ‘Russia versus the Civilised World’ stand-off is brewing at the UNSC in yet another demonstration of imperial ‘justice’ and hypocrisy. France is pushing a resolution for Syria to be referred to the ICC for war crimes. Here’s the NYT’s take:-

    “While Russia may veto the measure, getting the United States on board to back such a resolution, which France has pushed for over the last several weeks, would serve to publicly isolate the Kremlin in the face of grave human rights abuses.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/world/un-may-refer-conflict-to-war-crimes-court.html

    Syria, like the US and Israel, is not a signatory to the treaty which established the ICC so the UNSC is the only body which has the authority to instruct the ICC to act. Referral to the ICC is not without its risks, however:-

    “The United States faces a politically delicate issue in supporting such a resolution because of the disputed Golan Heights, which have been claimed by both Syria and Israel for four decades, so any inquiry into Syrian territory could potentially implicate Israel. Diplomats said the proposed draft language bypasses that quandary by specifying accountability for war crimes only since March 2011, when the Syrian conflict began.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/world/middleeast/french-push-un-to-seek-war-crimes-case-in-syria.html

    The US also exempts itself from any referral to the ICC – in fact, it could be said it exempts every non-signatory to the ICC apart from Syria. So much for justice and given the western jihadi proxies fighting in Syria, the hypocrisy is amazing.

  14. Southerncross says:


    Nuland faces tough questions in the House
    .

    Rohrabacher is an asshole, but it does sound like he made Nuland sweat. And he succeeded in making her admit that yes, there were Nazis on Maidan.

    • Southerncross says:

      Ok, I may not have been entirely fair on Rohrabacher:

      In the March 11, 2014, House of Representatives vote (402 voting yes; 7 opposed) to condemn Russia for violating Ukraine’s sovereignty, Rohrabacher voted “present.” Commenting on the issue, he stated, “Starting with our own American Revolution, groups of people have declared themselves, rightfully, to be under a different government or a government of their choosing. People forget that’s what our Declaration of Independence is all about.” He also said, “The sanctions are an abomination of hypocrisy. This is ridiculous: What we were doing with the violence and military action we took to secure the Kosovars’ right to self-determination was far more destructive and had far more loss of life than what Putin’s done trying to ensure the people of Crimea are not cut off from what they would choose as their destiny with Russia.”

      • yalensis says:

        Hmmm… I never heard of this guy Rohrabacher, but I am starting to like him.
        (with apologies to the people of California, who probably despise him).
        Anyhow, some good dialogue from above piece:

        “We did have legitimate election before, and the legitimate president was removed after we had major street violence. There were pictures of people running around that we were told were neo-Nazis,” Rohrabacher challenged Nuland.

        Nuland faced a hard time coming up with answers.

        “First of all the vast majority of those who were participating on Maidan were peaceful protesters. There were mothers and grandmothers and veterans,” Nuland said, but before being able to continue, Rohrabacher reminded the diplomat of vast presence of violent Ukrainian radicals.

        “I saw those pictures and I also saw a lot of people throwing fire bombs at groups of policemen. There were people shooting into the ranks of police. So, yes, there were mothers with flowers, but there were also very dangerous street fighters engaged in those demonstrations. The question is: were there neo-Nazi groups involved?”

        Nuland could not provide a definitive answer, saying that “there were many colors of Ukraine involved including very ugly colors.”

        Yes, Nuland is right, there are many colors involved, including some ugly colors.
        It’s enough to turn one into an Existentialist philosopher.
        Indeed, there is that damned Banderite “ambiguity” again.
        Reality is so damned ambiguous, it is virtually impossible to ever know what is knowable!
        Fortunately, we have ontologists like Nuland and Donald Rumsfeld, to help us sort through all the ambiguities and come to a plan of action.

      • marknesop says:

        Get that useless Obama out of the White House, and get Rohrbacher in there. I don’t care if he is a Republican – anyone who once arm-wrestled with Putin and is willing to say in front of cameras that Putin is not Satan is a better choice than the yahoo who is running the show right now. Dana Rohrbacher for President.

    • marknesop says:

      Wow. That’s the kind of reporting I thought I would never see again. I still don’t understand how Nuland remains so powerful and influential; she’s like a fucking tank, she just keeps plowing along without slowing down no matter how many horrible mistakes she makes. How is she not discredited and drummed out? Politics is extraordinarily unforgiving of failure, and she should have been torpedoed by the release of her conversation with Pyatt. But it didn’t even make her blink. She’s still chucking that shit out there about the Maidan being all grannies and hopeful young mothers with flowers. Nearly all those kind of people were gone when it turned violent, and all of them by the time the fix was in and the goons took over after the deal with Yanukovych was signed. You would see the occasional woman in crowds that broke into public buildings to seize them from the Berkut, but they were anarchist types like Chornovol who are not too stable anyway.

      Dana Rohrbacher represents California’s Orange County, Huntington Beach and Laguna Beach, which are heavily Aerospace and engineering. That industry has been thrown into confusion by the imposition of U.S. sanctions, and the last time I looked, confusion was not good for profits. My guess is the business community is getting impatient with the sanctions upheaval, and is beginning to make its complaints known as is the case in Germany.

      • Al says:

        They can’t dump her now That would be admitting failure. They’ll dump her in a quiet moment. She’ll retire for family/heal reasons or move sideways.

        I was stunned to read a while ago that mega weapons/aircraft manufacturer Boeing is actually going to get tax back from the Federal Government.* I find it bizarre how Europe is criticized for subsidizing various industries in creative ways but you have states in america that offer tax free holidays, free rent etc. just to attract jobs. It’s the kind of thing I cold understand in a developing nation or one recovering from disaster, but in a full blooded capitalist country, it’s still a subsidy. And they still have the gall to call out other countries subsidizing!

        * Boeing has big tax refund coming from Uncle Sam — again
        Boeing got a $199 million federal tax refund in 2013, and over the past 12 years has accumulated tax refunds of $1.6 billion.

        http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2023026545_boeingtaxesxml.html

        &

        Boeing, Second Largest Federal Contractor, Pays No Federal Income Tax in 2013
        http://foreffectivegov.org/blog/boeing-second-largest-federal-contractor-pays-no-federal-income-tax-2013

        In its just-released annual report, Boeing Company reported that it claimed $82 million in federal tax refunds, despite reporting $5.9 billion in U.S. pre-tax profits last year. This represents an effective tax rate of -1.4 percent. Boeing paid just $11 million in state income taxes, an effective state tax rate of just 0.2 percent. The disclosures were made in Boeing’s Form 10-K filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) last Friday.

        Since 2008, Boeing has reported between $1.6 billion and $5.9 billion in profits each year, yet has paid no federal income taxes in three of those years. Over the last six years, Boeing has reported $26.4 billion in pre-tax profits to its shareholders, while claiming a total of $105 million in refunds from the IRS, an effective tax rate of -0.4 percent.

        With $20 billion in sales to the federal government in fiscal 2013, Boeing was the nation’s second largest contractor. Boeing alone received 4.4 percent of all federal government contracts last year. Boeing reported to shareholders that 34 percent of its 2013 sales were made to the U.S. government….

        Well FM sideways!

      • ThatJ says:

        Nuland, or Nudelman if you will, has impeccable neocon credentials, I doubt she’ll be going anywhere soon. And if she does, another neocon bedfellow will take her place. If I were a lifetime banderite supporter, I would stay as away from the US and the EU as possible. The banderites are living in the past, they want revenge against Moscow, believing today’s US and EU are Nazi Germany. I am more a supporter of a bloc’s positions on identity (or hostility to it) and social/cultural norms than of flags. If I were a German, Briton, French, Swede or Dutch and Russia were about to invade my country (a unrealist scenario, of course) I would not put up a fight against it. After decades of deception and hostility to the traditional people and culture of my country, the government would call the “patriots” to stand up and fight, like when Stalin stopped his atheist program after Nazi Germany invaded the USSR because he noticed people were not aroused enough by the communist ideals alone. Do you think the liberast intelligentsia would take up arms and fight? No way. They would incite you to die for them. And if you won, soon the discourse of “patriotism” would take another turn to the pre-war tune. The current “Western” elites and the Deep State have to go, and I am a pragmatic, not a democrat.

    • cartman says:

      Clearly one of the Four Harpies of the Apocalypse. (Nuland, Rice, and Clinton being the other three)

      • Jen says:

        Don’t forget Jen Psaki-pathic Personality. I’ve seen a couple of RT.com videos of Psaki (including one where she is questioned by Anastasia Churkina) and the amount of garbage vomit pouring out of her mouth is astonishing. She’ll die of dehydration at the rate she carries on.

    • ThatJ says:

      The commenters simply hated the article. I should know. Salon and Slate are Pussy Riot-loving, gay flag-waving liberasts who absolutely hate Putin. They remind me of a certain Die Aktion rag of the past. Look Kurt Hiller up on Wikipedia, and the other writers/artists. The demographic composition of Salon’s and Slate’s staff and their tastes are very similar to the Die Aktion’s as far as my observation of them go. Stalin betrayed the bunch to their disgust, and Hitler never was a friend to begin with. But in America they found a fertile soil for sure.

  15. Moscow Exile says:

    С Днем Победы!

    • Moscow Exile says:

      When my 5-year-old daughter Sasha saw the Honour Guard doing its goose-step, she asked: “Why are they walking like dolls?”

      in the You Tube comments to the clip are the usual ones comparing the parade to those of the Nazis, saying that it typical of Russian imperialism, totalitarianism, megalomania etc….the usual Evil Empire spiel. There are very, very many of them from what I suspect are “Call of Duty” aficionados, assorted Balts and Poles, Ukrainians, Nazis, God-Bless-America freaks, Russophobes, right-wing nuts etc.

      One comment is of interest though: it points out that there is apparently no armed detail around the Russian President. “Oh wait”, the comment continues, “leaders that are loved by the ppl aren’t afraid of them”.

      Well, I’m sure there is always a very competent armed detail present wherever the President is, but not glaringly obvious to all and sundry, USA style: wearing shades, glowering and scanning their surrounds, yapping into cell-phones etc.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        The talk-over to the RT video of the parade is bloody awful and not well done at all. Quite a few have commented on this. Hopefully a version of the clip will be released with subtitles for non-speakers of Russian.

      • marknesop says:

        I saw a sketch once on a comedy program – now defunct, I believe – called She-TV, in which the characters (a half-dozen females and one male) who were pretending to be Barbie dolls (except for the male, who was Ken, the boy-Barbie). They are gathered in a bar where Ken is behind the bar serving drinks, and griping about their lives. Barbie dolls – as Sasha observed – lack knee and elbow joints; when Ken serves drinks, he makes a full circle behind his back from the shoulder, and bangs the drink down on the bar; most of it goes in his hair. When the Barbies drink, they kind of toss the liquor in the air and try to catch it in their mouths. The sketch was sidesplitting, and I have searched for it on Youtube without success.

  16. Moscow Exile says:

    Compromise!

    Amos is the Grauniad shite who reported live from Odessa on May 2 that it was not possible to determine who was responsible for causing the Trade Union House deaths.

    Another thing: Ukrainian nationals who fought against the Nazis in 1941-45 were citizens of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

    This is the flag of the UkSSR.

    And on Red Square today, the Guard of Honour parades with this flag, the Soviet Banner of Victory (Russian: Знамя Победы, Znamya Pobedy), which flew above the Reichstag Building, Berlin, on April 30th 1945.

    Russians, together with citizens of the Russian Federation, make no bones about the fact that the victory celebrated this day was a victory of the Soviet Union over Nazi Germany and its axis allies – with some help from its erstwhile Western allies, none of whose representatives being present today at the Victory Day parade in Moscow.

    Western presstitutes have been harping on for a long while now about anti-Western feelings in Russia.

    If I were a politician here, I would demand that every man, woman and child in the Russian Federation be constantly reminded that the USA and the EU member states are in no way Russia’s “friends”, that they, in fact, loathe Russia and its peoples.

  17. yalensis says:

    Gazeta reports on Victory Day in both Russia and Ukraine.
    In Sebastopol, no less than one and half million people swarmed out to see the celebrations, and the people continue to arrive in droves.
    Veterans are coming in, and being given flowers. A certain Ivan from Donetsk is quoted as saying: “Sebastopol is the only Ukrainian city where it is safe to celebrate Victory Day.”

    [yalensis: Er… Ivan, didn’t you get the memo? Sebastopol is Russian now… oh well, never mind, who cares at this point, so long as people are happy?]

    Celebrations in Odessa much more sombre, naturally.
    This year there are fewer red banners hung out, fewer people who dare to openly wear the St. George ribbon.
    A small group of around 2000 people gathered at the “Glory Alley” to lay flowers to the “Unknown Sailor” memorial. Everybody on edge, but everything went okay, without violence.

  18. yalensis says:

    A rare photograph of Dr. Evil and Veruca together in the same frame , as they plot their next evil deed.
    Officially the story is about, how these Samozvantsy forbade official Victory Day parade in Kiev, but then Evil + Veruca plus a rogues gallery of former Uke presidents (Kravchuk + Kuchma + Yushchenko) went out to lay a couple of flowers for the Unknown Soldier.

    [Since the Unknown Soldier is Unknown, they can fantasize that maybe he was a Banderite, in order to well up the appropriate tears for the cameras.]

  19. Right Sector and Nazi Guard attacking Mariupol. 9 dead and dozens of injured so far. Most of the victims are apparently civilians. This happens in the Victory Day.

  20. yalensis says:

    In the besieged city of Slav’ansk, Victory Day was celebrated thusly :

    The meeting began with the playing of the national anthem of the USSR.
    Which goes something like this:

    After that, Slav’ansk self-proclaimed Mayor V’acheslav Ponomarev gave a speech. He congratulated the veterans on their victory and promised to expel more recent fascist scum out of Slav’ansk.

    Next, the actual Mayor of Slav’ansk, Nellie Shtepa, gave a speech in which she proclaimed:
    “Мы победим по-любому. Посадим деревья, розы, отремонтируем школы, дороги. Ура!”.

    (“We will win regardless. We will plant trees and rose bushes, we will repair the schools and the roads. Hurrah!”)

    A cameo appearance was made by the “People’s Governor” of Donetsk, Pavel Gubarev, who was recently released from Kiev prison, in exchange for Alpha spies. Gubarev, who is still a little bit shell-shocked from the torture and ordeal he went through, wore camourlage, and spoke some words about, how fascism had returned to the land.

    There is an interesting gallery of 5 photos:
    (1) Gubarev,
    (2) Nelli, holding roses and looking very passionate,
    (3) Soldiers on a tank,
    (4) A veteran,
    (5) A grizzled Black Sea sailor veterans receiving flowers

  21. Moscow Exile says:

    And I regularly get asked why I have chosen Russia as my adopted country…

    Well, just let me think awhile…

    Here’s one:

    Women police cadets of St.Petersburg Police Academy practising yesterday for today’s St. Petersburg Victory Day Parade.

  22. Here is a video from today’s attack to Mariupol:

    Animals!

    • To clarify. An unarmed man is shot to his stomach in this video by right sector today in Mariupol.

    • Mariupol police station is burning now. There are possible lots of local policemen inside. There was a shooting match between Nazi Guard and local policemen and the Nazi Guard fired the police station with tanks. As a result it got fire.

      Nazi Guard leader Lyashko is shouting that “all the resistance will be crushed and every rebel with arms will be killed”.

      I hope those policemen can survive but it looks like we may have another scorching massacre in a less than a week in Ukraine.

      Message from junta to Moscow: Have a nice Victory Day!

      • Southerncross says:

        Supposedly the Kiev goons have retreated, one of their APCs either abandoned or seized.

        • That is good news if true. But yet again they managed to kill at least 4 civilians and probably a lot more local pro-Russian policemen without suffering any casualties themselves. Junta can bite but pro-Russians cannot bite back.

  23. Southerncross says:

    Hitler kaputt!

    • yalensis says:

      I notice Yats showed up with his Siamese twin, Dr. Evil.
      Crowd chants: “Hitler kaput! Bandera kaput! Collaborationists!”

      • yalensis says:

        And strangely enough, Yats/Evil did not look completely at home at this “Eternal Flame” ceremony among the hammer-and-sickle-red-flag carrying crowd. I think their GPS was mis-programmed, they must have taken a wrong turn, their own fallen Nazi warriors are buried somewhere else.

        Or, in many cases, not really buried, like outside Kursk, just left as bones for the animals to pick over.

  24. Al says:

    The latest Malic via Antiwar.com

    Yugoslavia’s Lessons Learned
    In Moscow, but not the West
    http://original.antiwar.com/malic/2014/05/08/yugoslavias-lessons-learned/

  25. Junta claims that they killed at least 20 “separatists” in Mariupol. In truth these people were either civilians or local policemen.

    Today a local group of nazis tried to attack WWII veterans in Lvov:

    • Sorry, that video was not from today. It is an older one before the Kiev revolution.

      • Southerncross says:

        RT reported that the Lvov veterans meant to hold their ceremony in any event, so probably something of the kind happened.

    • marknesop says:

      What a bunch of creeps; they remind of the film “Scream” with those stupid masks they wear. Joining up with that crowd must be every schoolboy’s dream – you get to behave like a pig to adults and smash stuff, and instead of being punished, you are rewarded with praise and recognition. Awesome society you’re building there, Turnip.

  26. Moscow Exile says:

    This and others such as those posed above repeatedly deleted by the Guardian.

    I’ve posted this one twice already:

  27. Al says:

    Sacrifice my love?

    AFP via Yahoo!

    US voices ‘concerns’ at sale of French warships to Russia
    http://news.yahoo.com/us-voices-concerns-sale-french-warships-russia-181201334.html

    Washington (AFP) – US officials voiced concern Thursday at the sale of French warships to Moscow as they mulled tougher sanctions on Russia for the political upheaval triggered by the Ukraine crisis.

    “We have regularly and consistently expressed our concerns about this sale even before we had the latest Russian actions and we will continue to do so,” Assistant Secretary for Europe Victoria Nuland told US lawmakers ahead of a visit next week to Washington by French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius.

    The first of two Mistral warships is not due to be delivered to Russia until later this year, and France has so far resisted pressure to suspend the controversial $1.2 billion contract.

    So would the USA financially compensate France for the loss of cash and for breaking a legally binding contract? President Hollande may try to ‘square the circle’ but I don’t see the French public’s love in with the US (certainly not as much as French governments since Sarkozy) improving. This will be an interesting one to watch.

  28. Al says:

    McClatchy DC:

    Ukrainian presidential hopeful, touring Washington, says both U.S. and Russia inflame crisis

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/05/07/226835/ukrainian-presidential-hopeful.html?sp=/99/117

    “…“The United States and Russia both love Ukraine so much that in their embrace they just might suffocate it,” he said, dryly, via a Russian translator at a news conference Wednesday in Washington.

    Konovalyuk was in Washington to warn U.S. lawmakers away from sanctions _ the Obama administration’s main tool to counter Putin’s activities in eastern Ukraine _ and to press instead for what he describes as a Marshall Plan-style economic recovery initiative.

    A native of volatile eastern Ukraine, Konovalyuk wants both Russia and the United States to take “equal steps” away from bombast, sanctions and military posturing, a perspective that gets lost in the White House’s rush to prop up the more Western-friendly interim leadership in Kiev…

    …Konovalyuk, 47, an economist and politician, has a record of challenging Kiev administrations. In 2008, he led an ad hoc commission that accused the leadership at the time of violating Ukrainian and international law by exporting arms to Georgia just before war broke out there between the government and Russia-backed secessionist territories.

    Four years later, he resigned from his role as a Yanukovych adviser, citing rampant corruption that he says was ignored by an Obama administration that was searching for a “reset” in Russian relations…

    Tymo is poison in Washington but this apparently hopeless candidate isn’t…” He says all the right things and looks like a fairly straightforward kind of guy but who in Kiev and the western Ukraine would buy him as President, even if he was seen favorably in DC?

  29. Al says:

    AWAST (Aviation Week):

    U.S. Court Lifts RD-180 Injunction
    http://aviationweek.com/blog/us-court-lifts-rd-180-injunction

    Blah blah blah “..The company currently has 16 RD-180 engines in the U.S., and has ordered 36 more from RD Amross, a joint venture of NPO Energomash and UTC, under a block-buy agreement signed in December..

    Hmm, they’ve got 16 and they want 36 more! Now that is real news. No rocket engines, no spy satellites, no SBIR/replacement (space based infra red) satellites for detecting ICBM launches, no NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) sats etc.

    The Altas V, the launch vehicle used by UL Alliance uses 1 Russian RD-180 in combination with american booster rockets. That’s 36 American spy satellites it can still power. The US is walking a very fine line on sanctions with Russia as any ban by Russia will hit US national security very hard.

    • Al says:

      It make sense. Russia should tie the supply of RD-180 rocket engines to the fulfillment of it’s contract with France for the delivery of four Mistral class landing ships.

      Russia can clearly cite Republican senators who have been suggesting that France can the deal as the reason for the linkage. It will help Obama then paint the MF crazy Republican NeoCon wing as a threat to the freedom and democracy of the United States.

      Someone give me a prize. Not that Eurovision shit either. Proper chocolate will do.

  30. Moscow Exile says:

    Victory Parade in Crimea’s Sevastopol 2014

  31. yalensis says:

    Just saw a Twitter comment, apparently John McCain was being interviewed on CNN, he was complaining bitterly about Putin “strolling around Crimea acting like he owned the place”.
    McCain compared Putin and his entourage to Sinatra and the ratpack, slouching around and acting like they owned Las Vegas.

    Yes, it truly is shameful for Putin to “act like he owns” Crimea.
    Everybody knows that Crimea belongs to Yatsenuk (aka Veruca Salt): “It’s MY Crimea! It’s MY Sebastopol! It’s MY ocean!” Yatsie exclaimed.
    In no way does the Peninsula belong to Shorty Blue Eyes:

    • Southerncross says:

      Shameful is being accepted into the naval fighter program because your father and grandfather were admirals, even though you graduated near the bottom of your class.

      Shameful is collaborating with your captors by supplying information on USN flight plans, so that the NVA can shoot down American bombers more easily.

      Shameful is ditching your wife (by then disabled in a car accident) so you can marry an heiress.

      Shameful is building your career on a cock-and-bull story about being tortured in North Vietnam. You weren’t tortured Johnny boy, you were too valuable a prize and too willing a collaborator for that.

      Shameful is doing everything in your power to shut down any serious investigation into the fate of American prisoners who were left behind in Vietnam because the government didn’t want to pay the reparations it had agreed upon.

      Shameful is screaming abuse at an old woman in a wheel chair who only wanted you to help find out what happened to her son.

      In short, what’s shameful is being you, John Sidney McCain III.

  32. yalensis says:

    Some Odessans celebrated Victory Day by raising the Red Banner of Victory over the Trade Union building, the same one in which people were burned alive by Banderites a week ago.

    Anti-junta Odessans celebrated victory on Kulikovo Field, shouting “Down with the junta!” “Glory to Kulikovo!” “Fascism will not pass!” “Odessa will not forgive!”

    During the course of this action , a group of people broke into the Trade Union building and carried the red banner up to the roof.
    The banner is a replica of the of the “Victory Banner” that was raised above the Reichstag.
    The original banner from 1945 is, I believe, kept inside the Kremlin museum, and brought out for May 9 celebrations.

  33. Southerncross says:

    The Kherson governor, some Kiev-imposed bag of garbage, says that Hitler came to liberate the people from Stalin’s tyranny. The crowd is not at all pleased. One excellent woman grabs the mike out of his hand and throws it away.

    • yalensis says:

      Banderites are such jealous parasites. They have nothing of their own, everything they have they stole from better people. They even try to steal Victory Day, because they have no victory of their own. ’cause their side LOST.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      The following quotes are taken from Hitler’s Table Talk, a work which compiled his utterances made throughout the war period and maintained by Martin Bormann.

      27 July 41: “We will take the southern Ukraine, especially the Crimea, and make it an exclusively Germany colony. There will be no harm in pushing out the population there now.. The German colonists will live on handsome, spacious farms.. what exists 30 to 40 kilometres out will be another world, in which the Russian remnants will live..”

      17 Sept 41: “The Slavs are a mass of born slaves, who feel the need of a master. The Russian space is our India! Like the English, we shall rule this empire with a handful of men. It would be a mistake to claim to educate the natives.. The Slav people are not destined to live a cleanly life.. It’s better not to teach them to read. Even to give them a locomotive to drive would be a mistake.. We’ll supply the Ukrainians with scarves, glass beads, and everything colonials like.”

      25 Sept 41: “We’ll drive Asia back behind the Urals. No organised Russian state will be allowed to exist west of there.. they are brutes in a state of nature.”

      17-18 Oct 41: “We’ll let the Russian towns fall to pieces – let them know just enough to understand our highway signs, so that they won’t get themselves run over by our vehicles! .. There is only duty: to Germanise this country by the immigration of Germans, and to look upon the natives as Redskins. I have no feelings about the idea of wiping out Kiev, Moscow or St. Petersburg.”

      5 Nov 41: “In 2,000 years time, when they study the origin of the inhabitants of the Ukraine … they’ll (be) incapable of seeing that … we drove the aborigines into the Pripet marshes in order to install ourselves in the richer land.”

      11 Apr 42: “It will be the duty of our Commissars alone to supervise an direct the economy of the captured territories … an to every form of organisation there … To teach the Russians, Ukrainians, and the Kirghiz to read and write will eventually be to our own disadvantage … all the villages need is music, music, and plenty of it .. I absolutely forbid the organisation of any sort of hygiene or cleanliness crusades in the territories… the doctors in the German colonies will be solely for the German colonists … Dentistry, too, should remain a closed book to them … Let’s not have any native militias or police. German troops alone will maintain law an order throughout the occupied Russian territories.”

      22 July 42: “In view of the extraordinary fertility of the local inhabitants, we should be only too pleased to encourage the women and the girls to practise contraception at all times. Far from prohibiting the sale of contraceptives, we should do our utmost to encourage it. We should call on the Jews for help! With their unrivalled sense of commerce, they are the very people for the job!

      In all seriousness, however, there is a real danger that the inhabitants will increase too rapidly under our care and domination … No inoculations or other preventative measures for the natives! .. We must even try to stifle any desire for vaccinations and the like … the local population must be given no facilities for higher education … notices in Ukrainian saying “Beware of the Trains” are superfluous, what on earth does it matter if one or two more locals get run over by the trains? .. Russian and Ukrainian towns are not in any circumstances to be improved or made more habitable … Our ultimate object must be to build towns and villages exclusively for Germans and absolutely separate from Russian and Ukrainian towns.”

      27 July 42: “The Russians have not that love of homeland which characterizes the German peasant … they are nomads … theirs is the wanderlust of a herd of beasts.”

      6 Aug 42: “St. Petersburg must disappear utterly from the earth’s surface. Moscow, too. Then the Russians will retreat into Siberia .. As for the ridiculous hundred million Slavs, we will mould the best of them as we see fit, and we will isolate the rest of them in their own pig-sties; and anyone who talks about cherishing the local inhabitants and civilising them, goes straight off into a concentration camp!”

      And there’s much, much more, not to mention his published in 1925 rant called “Mein Kampf”.

      The Banderites are retards.

      • marknesop says:

        I suppose they do not take offense at the passages which insult Ukrainians because they consider him to have been speaking of the current inhabitants of the southeast, while they are themselves something else, perhaps descended from Polish nobility or something of that nature. Meanwhile, his condemnation of Russians must meet with such applause and approval that any contingent criticism which might fall upon them is considered to be probably accidental or misunderstood.

        • Southerncross says:

          Worth remembering that Galicia was never part of Erich Koch’s infamous Reichskommissariat Ukraine. Instead it was attached to Hans Frank’s General-Gouvernment Polen – where the Galician Ukes were favoured class relative to the Poles.

  34. yalensis says:

    And somebody posted the video of Slav’ansk Victory Day celebration . Note the speeches by Nellie Shtepa and Pavel Gubarev. Also note the trophy tank shown (and ridden) at the end, in the town’s own parade of military hardware. Hurrah!

    • Southerncross says:

      в атаку ура at this point.

      What’s happening is beyond belief. The Nazis insisted their cause was that of western civilisation. Given that the west now has nothing to say while the Nazis rise to mourn their defeat, I guess the Nazis were right.

      • patient observer says:

        The Nazi world view is an integral part of the Western Empire’s mindset and it fits comfortably within the spectrum of sociopathic behavior. The degree that the Western Empire pretends not be be Nazis (or various permutations) is solely dependent on the need to confuse and misdirect their populations.

        I had an interesting chat with some engineers the other day. The discussion shifted to Iraq where one of them mentioned that the US killed 500,000 civilians and we manage as a nation to push it out of our awareness by numbing ourselves to the obvious brutality. I was proud of their astute observations and it gives hope that the veil of self-imposed ignorance may be lifting.

        • yalensis says:

          To a certain degree, the Soviet/Russian populations were misdirected about this as well.
          The Stalinist propaganda machine promoted the idea of “Western allies” and “democratic forces”, all united against the Nazi scourge. Even before the war, Stalin was the master of that “Popular Front” chimera, in which all “democratic” forces blend with Communists to fight fascism.

          Well, during the War itself, that was understandable, people had to be given hope. That, e.g., they had allies, and that the Americans, say, would help them out by launching a Second Front, etc. It would have been to brutal to tell the Russian people the truth: “Everybody hates us, and we’re on our own, so fight on, dudes!”

          Well, not to downplay the achievements of American (or British) forces in the course of the war, but the reality was, they had their own agendas, and nobody was really coming to aid the Soviet Union.

          After the war, this Stalinist propaganda nonsense continued with, for example, Russians inviting Western “allies” to participate in Victory Day celebrations. As if this was a victory for all of Europe, and as if Russia was part of Europe. In reality, this was the Victory of the Soviet Union, and the Defeat of most of Europe.

          Eventually I think most Russians came to realize that the European nations are, by the large, on the other side of the ledger; for them, the Nazi defeat was ultimately their defeat. Even the Americans switched sides very quickly, and started helping the Nazi forces within one nano-second after the end of WWII.

          In other words, the Nazi philosophy is NOT an aberration, it is well within the European mainstream (in many countries, almost like a wing of the Catholic Church) and range of political parties. Hence no surprise that it keeps popping up again, almost every generation. And Russia wouldn’t even care, were it not for the fact that some of these hostile countries border Russia’s perimeter.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Westerners have been brainwashed by Cold War propaganda.

            My father, a veteran of the British 8th Army and who served in North Africa and Italy, always had the greatest respect for Russians and the Red Army. He told me that when they were on rest and recuperation in Egypt they had to attend film shows by the Royal Army Education Corps in which they were repeatedly informed that they could not possibly lose to the Axis because of (a) the industrial might of the USA and (b) because the Red Army was beating the living shit out of the Wehrmacht. They were given stats to prove this and shown newsreels of liberty ships transporting war materiel across the North Atlantic and of victories on the “Eastern Front”.

            I never heard my father say anything bad about Russia. Bear in mind, he was brought up in poverty during the great Depression and he, together with many others of his generation, admired the achievements of the USSR.

            When I was a child, though, I started hearing “Commie this…” and “Commie that…”. And the James Bond crap started, aided and abetted by the consumer society.

          • Jen says:

            Hitler was a Roman Catholic and a number of people in his government eg Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels were also strongly Roman Catholic. A number of them had either a Bavarian or Austrian background as well. These days Bavaria is one of the electoral strongholds of the Christian Democratic Union (Angela Merkel’s party) which partners with Yoolia’s Batshitshchyna party and sponsors Viktor Klitschko’s UDAR so make what you will of the connections.

            The Roman Catholic Church connection could be one explanation why a number of Nazis fled to South America after the Second World War: countries with Roman Catholicism as the dominant religion or one of the main religions are likely to have political parties and organisations influenced by Roman Catholic views and these as well as the RCC could have helped provide Nazis with shelter and protection.

            • Southerncross says:

              Hitler was a nominal Catholic at best, and Himmler not even that. The Vatican was willing on the whole to cooperate with the Reich, but the NSDAP’s strong undercurrent of pseudo-Jacobin anti-clericalism was a continuing source of friction.

              But the Vatican was entirely sympatico with the Ustashe, who were faithful Catholics almost to a man (Muslim degenerates like Dzafer Kulenovic aside). Hardly a word of complaint about the mass slaughters and forced conversions the Ustashe practiced (the latter frequently a ruse to lure people to the former).

              The most striking element of the Ustasha atrocities is the numbers in which Catholic priests were instigators and direct participants –
              Miroslav Filipovic
              for example, who must have decided that violating children was passé, and took up slaughtering them. As always, the servants of Rome reserved their greatest hatred and cruelty for fellow Christians.

              • patient observer says:

                The late Serbian Holocaust researcher Dr. Milan Buljaic has meticulously documented the name of over one thousand two hundred Catholic priest, monks, and seminarians that committed mass murder with their hands. They had a special focus on Serb children.

                The British more so than the Americans had no problem washing the Vatican’s blood stained vestments to make them proper for service in the Cold War. Pope John Paul II did yeoman service showing the “wisdom” of the British. The Vatican however is just one tool of the Western elite’s toolkit. The elites have no use for religion or its values, just its psychopaths.

                A Romanian priest once told me that the very worst circle in Hell was reserved for the Priests. I am sure that if such a place exists it is crowded with Catholic priests and their ilk.

            • marknesop says:

              That actually makes a lot of sense, and the religious connection is one I would never have seen because I did not think it was as important as it perhaps is.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Stalin wrote a pamphlet, I’m sure, about fascism, in which he argued that logically it was the final stage of capitalism before its self-destruction. He believed that imperialism and fascism were two sides of the same capitalist coin and it was immaterial if they should both slug it out with each other. Therefore, he argued, it was in the interests of socialism, towards which communism was supposedly progressing, to aid and abet both parties in order to hasten their demise.

            • yalensis says:

              Are you sure that was Stalin, and not Trotsky?
              I am not familiar with Stalin writing any scholarly books about fascism. Maybe he did.
              But Trotsky did write several books and pamphlets about fascism during the 1930’s, when everybody on the Left was analyzing and attempting to define, this phenomenon.
              .
              For example, in this pamphlet, written in 1934, entitled “The Collapse of Bourgeois Democracy”, Trotsky argued that fascism was a petty-bourgeois movement:

              The fascists find their human material mainly in the petty bourgeoisie. The latter has been entirely ruined by big capital. There is no way out for it in the present social order, but it knows of no other. Its dissatisfaction, indignation, and despair are diverted by the fascists away from big capital and against the workers. It may be said that fascism is the act of placing the petty bourgeoisie at the disposal of its most bitter enemies. In this way, big capital ruins the middle classes and then, with the help of hired fascist demagogues, incites the despairing petty bourgeoisie against the worker. The bourgeois regime can be preserved only by such murderous means as these

              I am not sure that Trotsky necessarily saw fascism as the final stage” of capitalism, maybe just a stage that it goes through, in times of stress.
              Lenin had argued, even at the start of WWI, that Imperialism in general (be it fascist or democratic) was the final stage of capitalism, and I think Trotsky shared that view. And by imperialism, Lenin mostly meant financial imperialism, not necessarily colonizations.

        • ThatJ says:

          The Zionist West support the Banderites because of the latter’s hatred of Russia and their “will” to take up arms against the government (achieved), not because the hostile Western elites are the defenders of Ukraine’s identity and interests. They are useful idiots (“shabbos goyim”). Meanwhile, the “Nazi” West and countries of Europe which were never part of the USSR, thus were not under Russian hegemony, are being quickly overran by millions of aliens who will in a matter of a few decades replace the previous existing population without a public mandate for such a genocidal and serious policy ever existing. “Nazi” Germany alone has 5 million Turks. Meanwhile, the “Nazi” West seem very supportive of the “Jewish state” and the right of Jews to exist.

          To me it is as painful seeing ethnic Russians and Ukrainians hating each other as it would be the French and Italians, Swedes and Norwegians, Deustch and the Dutch, hating each other. This chauvinism, given the magnitude of the real problem, is utterly stupid.

          However, I respect your opinion and the fact that we see this crisis from different angles.

          • ThatJ says:

            I said: Meanwhile, the “Nazi” West and countries of Europe which were never part of the USSR, thus were not under Russian hegemony, are being quickly overran by millions of aliens

            Clarification: the only USSR country that can be considered Western is the GDR. Those situated from Poland to the east were never considered part of the club. But today Poland prostitutes itself as one like no other country.

          • ThatJ says:

            I am not a native English speaker and unfortunately when I commit mistakes there’s no option to edit and correct them (wordpress design for anonymous/non-registered users, not Mark’s fault).

            • marknesop says:

              Your English is extremely good and very expressive. I sometimes make the occasional spelling correction, unsolicited, which might easily be a typo, but I do that for everyone.

  35. kirill says:

    @karl1haushofer

    I think they banned you permanently at militaryphotos. What was the excuse? I can’t see anything wrong with any of your posts (i.e. they are not flamebait or trolling) and all them seem quite balanced.

    It looks to me like pathetic censorship. You provided information about the brazen bias of the media in Finland and that is a no-no.

    • It was me who was banned and the reason was “trolling”. No further explanations.

      I agree that the ban was a “political” one. Some of my post had a sarcastic tone but I never insulted anyone there personally and I always used a civilized language.

      It was their right to kick me out, because they own the place, so I’m not going to whine about it. But we really need to have another forum like Militaryphotos with a non-politicized moderation policy. Militaryphotos is purely pro-Western, pro-NATO and pro-US governmental forum and dissidents are not very welcomed there.

      • Southerncross says:

        That place should be named cognitivedissonance.net.

        MPnet poster #1: ‘Russians are brainwashed, flesh-eating ogres!’

        MPnet poster #2: ‘Speaking as a Finn, I don’t think Russians are any of those things’

        MPnet poster #1: ‘No Finn thinks that! Putinbot!’

        And:

        MPnet poster #1: ‘Russian media is lying CommieNazi propaganda! No freedom of speech there, no opposing views allowed!’

        MPnet poster #2: ‘I disagree with that statement and here are some ways in which the Finnish media has not covered events honestly’

        MPnet mod: ‘@MPnet poster #2 lolbanned

        • They did not specify what post got me banned but it may have been this one. At least this was my last post there. I will copy it here:

          Correct. I have followed this whole mess since the beginning and from the start I had a bad feeling in my stomach about the whole “EuroMaidan”. What my eyes saw was a bunch of nazis beating and abusing policemen (while our media cheered and practically called then democratic heroes).

          But to tell the truth I was not expecting it to get this bad. The whole regime is a one criminal bunch. A bunch of murdering neo-nazis with an agenda of a “unified Ukraine” where they get to make all the rules and all the dissidents and people with different culture and opinions (=Russians) are either going to be killed, imprisoned or bullied into submission. It is hard to swallow that we can see this type of a regime arise in Europe in 2014 and the so called civilized West is backing it up 100%.

          And lets be honest here. If this type of regime was going to rise, let’s say in Portugal (just picked it randomly, nothing against Portugal), it would be widely condemned and it would not even allowed to rise to a power. The sole reason for the support for this bunch of wackos -regime is because it is anti-Russian. This is what it is all about. This is a way to contain Russia. This is a way to kill Russian people. This is a way to suppress Russian culture. Many Baltic (and sadly Finnish) people are secretly enjoying watching this horror show. They see Russians suffering and being massacred. They see an impotent Russia sitting in the sidelines. They see their “historic oppressor” humiliated. They are having a field day.

          I understand that Putin does not think like me. He thinks only about costs and economy. If saving these people will cost Russia more than he thinks the benefits are, then Putin will not do anything. I’m not saying his thinking is worse than mine. I am more of an emotional person than a calculative one. I would probably make a terrible statesman because of this. I also know Russia has historical reasons to be careful when intervening militarily. After all, it was the hasty decision by Nikolai I to send Russian troops to protect Balkan Slavs that resulted Russia losing millions of men in WWI and eventually it all led to Bolshevik revolution in Russia. Putin is certainly a more competent person to lead Russia than anyone here. I just would like to know his true motives for his passiveness. I know he is not a coward.

          —————————————

          Well, I agree but only to a point. Remember that Crimeans were not Russian citizens before Russian intervention. Neither were South Ossetians. Protecting ethnic Russians abroad should be a top priority in Russia’s foreign policy. However, this policy should be implemented in a careful and calculative manner. We don’t know all the details about the Ukraine situation. We don’t know how the West has threatened Russia if it is going to intervene.

          But if the economic sanctions is the only reason why Russia is not currently helping the rebels even indirectly then I think Russia not doing the right thing. The USA cannot hurt Russia economically so badly that it would justify Russia not doing the moral and right thing.

          • Southerncross says:

            Entirely unobjectionable.

            Meanwhile the shithead who said he hoped all anti-government people in Slavyansk got killed only copped a suspension. The Banderite openly posting Pravy talking points is neither suspended nor banned.

            Kirill was right – the mods at that place are scumbags.

          • yalensis says:

            Karl: It was a good post, and well-reasoned.
            They should not have banned you for it.
            Obviously, those twerps just don’t like dissident opinions!

          • marknesop says:

            I see nothing to disagree with in this post, and applaud your reasoning. If no other factor suggested to me that I may have misjudged you, your final paragraph would have. Well said. Neither of us would make good statesmen, I’m afraid, but I don’t think that is too much to our detriment.

      • marknesop says:

        I agree with those who have said it was wrong to ban you, although oftentimes a ban is a badge of honour to all those who tried to present a reasoned and substantiated argument. It suggests refuting your arguments forced those opposing you to reevaluate their positions and that so doing made them uncomfortable. Everyone can understand banning someone because they always present the same circular argument and will not be swayed from it – like those who comment on posts about ongoing events in Ukraine and always say “why don’t you show the videos of pro-Russian terrorists torturing and murdering their captives, they are much worse” without offering any proof of that viewpoint (an argument I recently encountered at the Washington Post) – or become abusive and threatening without offering anything else in the way of argument. But while your replies are frequently provocative, it is difficult to find any behavior in them that could be interpreted as “trolling”. I agree it’s a shame the commentary section of MilitaryPhotos is so disappointing, because the photo content is wonderful. Pity it has to be so political.

  36. Fern says:

    Another Russian terrorist has been dealt with in Slavansk – this one was cunningly disguised as a 12 year old boy but he was given away by his wearing of a St George’s ribbon. The kid was shot in the chest and shoulder by one of the glorious heroes of Ukraine and is in hospital – condition unknown. Various folk here were talking the other day about whether the Kievists would be capable of committing a Beslan-type atrocity to provoke a Russian response – yeah, I think they would.

    Kharkov has announced that it is postponing its referendum on autonomy originally scheduled for May 11.

    • ThatJ says:

      Was there another attack today by the junta’s army in Slavansk or are there RS infiltrators killing people out of the blue?

  37. Fern says:

    It looks like Right Sector infiltrators picking off easy, unarmed targets – very similar to the woman who was killed while standing on her balcony. It’s worth noting that the boy was shot twice, once in the shoulder and again in the chest. So, either two shooters or a very cold-blooded one who fired one shot and then a second to make sure their target was well and truly down. Clearly, there are no boundaries here whatsoever.

    • marknesop says:

      Well, maybe. Or maybe he was hit unintentionally by a burst of automatic fire. Remember, Ukraine is a conscript military at the best of times, and training is shorter than is given to professional all-volunteer armies. Also, many of the shooters are not soldiers at all, but civilian hooligans and Right-Sector nutty ideologists. I imagine they do not care much who is killed among the Untermenschen vermin, and just spray away whether they have a target or not.

      That’s not intended as a slight against the Ukrainian military, just because they are conscripts. It is also not meant to excuse their conduct if they shot a civilian. I’m just saying that when the enemy might shoot back, quite often soldiers will just push their weapon around a corner and cut loose without looking. That’s fine – if you can spare the ammunition – when you’re in a war zone and there is no good reason to believe non-combatants are present. Inexcusable in a situation where they are, and when all the rules of armed conflict reflect that injury or death of non-combatants is to be avoided to the greatest degree possible.

      • Fern says:

        You may be right – I’ve checked the report of the boy’s shooting again and, while it’s not absolutely clear, an abandoned machine gun was found in the area of the shooting so this could have been a ‘spray fire’ incident rather than a targeted hit.

    • marknesop says:

      Hey, wait – there’s no organized fighting going on in Slavyansk now, is there? Hasn’t the Ukrainian army (and their Right Sector Commissars) pulled back? If that’s the case, then you may be right, and it may be another deliberate killing to try and bait a reaction. Kiev seems to think its only chance of preserving the regime and realizing its goals is to get Russia to attack, and bring in an indignant I-told-you-so NATO.

      So far Right Sector is getting away – literally – with murder, and some of them at least seem to be really enjoying themselves. Strangers stand out in a small town like Slavyansk. Time for some of the pets to be sent home to daddy with their eyes punched out with screwdrivers, like the Afghans used to do with captured Russians. Or maybe sent back a piece at a time, in little boxes addressed to Andriy Parubiy or Arsen Avakov. They’re a little less likely to think they can operate with impunity when they must keep in the back of their mind the possibility of a horrible death. Playing by the rules does not seem to be winning Slavyansk any chivalrous treatment, and the behaviour of Right Sector gives mercenaries everywhere a bad name. And it’s plain that Kiev will tolerate anything which furthers its objectives.

      • cartman says:

        Yet no sanctions on Right Sector have been announced. That is an endorsement of their ideology by the West.

    • Al says:

      East Ukranian defense with relatively new AT-14 Kornet anti-tank missiles which are equally effective against any armor as it uses Hight Explosive Anti Tank (HEAT) round rather than Armor Piercing (AP).

      http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_heavy_weapons_uk/kornet-e_kornet_anti-tank_guided_missile_technical_data_sheet_information_description_pictures_uk.html

      “…The Kornet-E is designed to defeat current and future ERA-equipped tanks, lightly armoured vehicles, fortifications and low-flying air targets in electronic and jamming environments at any time of day and night in any weather conditions…”

      • Al says:

        No, I’m wrong! It is both armor piercing and high explosive as it has a dual warhead. I hope the Eas Ukraine defense force has quite a few of these which would be quite useful against Ukie tanks.

        • Al says:

          No, I’m wrong again! It is not an AT-14, but it is definitely on of the anti-tank systems. Russia has never exported the AT-14 to the Ukraine so it would be fairly stupid and illogical for them to turn up in eastern Ukraine.

          • marknesop says:

            Pity. “The 9M133F-1 missile with a high-explosive thermobaric warhead has a large casualty radius of blast wave and high temperature of explosion products” would be enough to convince me to give any group thought to have it a wide berth. The very reason troops squire themselves about in an APC is because it preserves them from being incinerated in a fiery death which will carbonize their very bones, and an APC would not stand a chance against the Kornet – it is designed to defeat the latest and most sophisticated light tanks.

            • Al says:

              I do know that the Soviet/Russians have extensive experience of designing and using thermobaric rounds so I guess it is more than likely that the older AT series have thermobaric rounds available for use. I read that the Soviets first deployed them in anger in Afghanistan in the early 1980s and later in Chechnya. They have rounds for most of the RPG series of launchers!

              http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon

              Since then, human rights groups have been kicking up a storm about them because if you are not sure that everyone inside is a militant, then it is an indiscriminate weapon.

              The US was impressed enough with them that they also deployed them in Afghanistan (a warhead developed for the Hellfire ‘N’ missile). The Brits too. How did they get around the sensitive aspect? In true british style, by sleight of hand. They redesignated them as ‘enhanced blast’ munitions!

              http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/28/british-pilots-afghanistan-thermobaric-weapons

    • The truth doesn’t matter. What matters is that the mainstream media tells to people. Most people form their opinions from mainstream media.

      If you followed only Finnish mainstream media you would think that in Mariupol some Russian backed separatists seized the local police headquarters and then opened fire on Ukraine’s army.

      What really happened was that local police was attacked by the National Guard (=Nazi Guard) for not obeying Kiev orders and the Nazi Guard killed many local policemen and civilians in cold blood.

    • marknesop says:

      I see they used the preferred “Kiev Method” of “regional pacification” again; burning people alive in buildings. Efficient , that – you don’t even need to build a special oven like their Nazi forbears did.

      These deaths are terrible and utterly needless, but they are leaving an indelible stain on the coup government and on Washington and London and Paris who unconditionally support Kiev’s predations on its own people. I’d like to think it would prevent them from ever using the tactic again, but of course it will not, and there will always be a core that approves of and cheers the violence, because it likes it and nothing can shake its faith in western decency and morality regardless the irrefutability of the evidence that it is as barbaric and savage and duplicitous and reprehensible as the worst societies that have gone before it. The decline of the west appears now to be irreversible. On the one hand it is tragic, because it gave civilization some of its best moments and finest hours. On the other, it has so perverted the ideals of individual liberty and collective enlightenment and progress that it deserves to perish. A more modest western society that must live within its means and get along with its neighbours because it no longer possesses the martial nor economic means to menace them would be a mercy. I’m not too sure what a world dominated by the economic might of China will be like, but it is encouraging at least that they are not trying to develop a military that is geared for global subjugation.

      • Al says:

        We’ll at least something ‘good’ will come out of this. Neither the governments of the West or the free and fair media that NEVER self-censors itself or thinks about how its reporting may affect future careers have covered themselves with glory. Yes, and indelible and undeniable stain. Not that I expect them to admit to it any time soon. Meanwhile the rest of us simply don’t buy the BS anymore. As someone else just commented, manufacturing consent has become a whole lot harder to do and maintain.

        End of the West? I beg to disagree. If handled correctly, a gentle decline and slip in to a silk kimono of a multi-polar world where words like negotiation and discussion of equals actually means that, it can still hold a significant role for some time to come. Unfortunately we have blown most of the post 1989 good will and credibility. We are on the brink of a new industrial revolution that will catapult us in to a Science-Fiction future. Engineering and manipulation of materials on the nanoscale opens up unbelievable possibilities (and threats) that will change everything we can do along with all pervasive senor technology (which is now incredibly cheap, and that is only starting with RFIDs the size of a grain of sand or less) and whomever grasps this technology and runs the fastest and learns the fastest from their mistakes will be ahead. Leads in technology can be lost through being first (i.e. the world’s first commercial jetliner the Comet), but it is early days.

        Right now we are going through a transitional period.

        The US as it was, is over. I do believe that it can rebuild itself and relearn the basics, but it has to admit reality first, and that starts with the political class. If, as is expected, the Republicans take the next US Presidency, then they will have to STFU and face reality. Sure, they’ll do the best to blame everyone who came before, but the party is over.

        Believe it or not, I think Obama gets this. He is trying to decouple the US from pervasive legacy commitments and insanities built up since WWII but he faces political, institutional and psychological barriers. I am not making any excuses for his behavior but we all we could have expected a lot, lot worse from the US. The trouble with the Ukraine shows that even the best laid plans, containing China in the pivot and Russia have been holed below the waterline like the Titanic. The US was only looking out for icebergs above the waterline.

        Putin, whatever people think about him, is an essential player here, in many ways, not only for Russia, but also for the inevitable multi-polar world order of the future. Despite all the crap he’s attracted from dyed in the wool ideologues, journalists and media over the years who have flung even more poo than the monkeys from the Madagascar movies, he has served a crucial role in allowing the West to lay all its failures from colored revolutions, and more recently, planned foreign interventions (Syria) at his door. It’s only putting of denial on public hold, but it does allow for a regging of its failed policies of the last quarter of a century of quick initial success followed by FUBAR. The only reason these policies were thought of as successful is because they never came up against any serious opposition. Putin’s the perfect foil to lay blame the blame elsewhere for the political classes. I don’t think most voters are fooled, though.

        The same is true of the EU which still can’t speak with one voice, is riven by rivalry, economic and political dyspepsia when the euro economy actually faced a modicum of pressure and epically failed. The rosehip glasses are off for most EU citizens. Sure, it is better in than out, but who doesn’t want to be able to hold their own national bureaucracy to account rather than the impossibility of holding one so far away (for most) in Brussels? The up coming EP elections will be like a lit firework shoved up the body politik of Europe.

        It is amazing to see that the West still appears to be ready to throw away all the benefits of peace since 1989 by picking a petty fight with Russia and backing unrepentant neo-nazis while a significant portion of it is still in economic recession. Their threats are full of s*$t because if they pull the trigger, there is no controlling where things will go. It’s barely much better than suicide. For all the threats against Russia, why does it seem that they are all walking on egg shells? Because they are.

        On a more upbeat note, we’ve all been bombarded with epic amounts of bs propaganda that is in no way linked to reality and is a reflection of a very narrow group of people who think it will actually serve their agenda. It can’t really work or even last. At some point it simply turns in to a turgid mass of very poor parody.

        Kudos again to Putin. He hasn’t f”£$”ed up majorly on this front yet. All Russia wanted was fair shakes. The US and EU consistently said F(£k off. You need to do this. You need to do that. You need to STFU and not complain. You have to be like us. Unconditionally. Russia made multiple overtures to the West to have some sort of reasonable agreement. Nope. Nuthin’ going. Suck my NATO.

        No normal person thinks that Russia doesn’t have its own messed up problems, but the idea that Russia was there to be molded by the West into a European neo-liberal state in less time than a baby can become and adult, was and still is ludicrous. Anyone (non-Russian) who’s spent any decent time there in the 1990s and saw how they were enjoying their freedom of being economically raped left, right and center, women pushed to the bottom of the pile by oligarch mafiosi (Berezovsky, Khordokovsky, Gusinsky…) in their big boi’s gangbang of the Russian economy as fun game and who were lauded as the romantic Russian Robber Barons version of the Vanderbildts, Astors, Morgans, Rockerfellers etc. with the full and open approval of the West who considered it the necessary initiation procedure before joining the Western the club, would not be surprised that the Russian people had had enough of that sh2t.

        Putin stands on his own achievements, which are also significantly built on the achievements of his team, like Mevyedev’s legal skills, a flat 20% odd tax rate and other sensible reforms (I am Sergei Shoigu’s no.1 – non crazy fan – and hope he will be President) while the West was doing its best to pull the rug from underneath Team Russia and fix the right election results with their freedom NGOs in countries on its periphery.

        The moral, political and economic corruption in the West which can no longer be hidden have won him a whole new slew of fans who only want someone to do what they say they will do. Stunning.

        I’ll stop now. I’ve gone on too long. And I’m watching the Eurovision at the same time. I rate Austria, Armenia and Finland, though the standards is pretty high compared to the usual measures.

        • marknesop says:

          Very well said, Al, almost a post on its own. I agree the west is not finished, and see I created the wrong impression by the juxtaposition of the opinions that “the decline is irreversible” and “it deserves to perish”. No, the west is not going to disappear – fortunately for me, as I am in it – but it is going to get taken down quite a few pegs over the next decade.

          There is nothing Russia can “do right” to earn itself regard and respect from the west, because it is an existential enemy whose state of being cannot be tolerated, like a rejected organ transplanted in a body. The western political class praises it when it does something self-destructive or self-limiting on western advisement, but that is only because its doing so hastens its own destruction. Consequently, the west will never respect Russia until it is put in a position where it must, and then only until it reestablishes its old position of imagined dominance. This is sad, because Russia has done nothing to merit such unremitting hatred and contempt.

          Your point regarding technology leads being lost by the rush to be first is both well-taken and a personal grief, because Canada’s Avro Jetliner was beaten into the air by the Comet by less than two weeks, and then because of design delays introduced (ironically) by Rolls-Royce, who made the engines, and a delay in runway construction at its home field in Malton, Ontario. It broke 4 records in its first flight.

          Avro also made the infinitely more tragically-starred Arrow fighter, and like the Arrow, the Jetliner never entered production – Canadians are easily scared out of competition, it seems. The second jetliner was scrapped before it ever flew, and instead Canada – as has become typical of its colonial mentality that it cannot possibly make anything as good as the products of its dominant allies – ordered 51 Vickers Viscount turboprop aircraft from England.

          • Al says:

            Cheers, but it is barely a draft. I always want to say much, much more but otherwise you easily loose clear points. I was also watching Eurovision, drinking wine and eating dinner at the same time!

            Here’s some more detailed support for my Obama is disengaging the US slowly as a pragmatist surrounded by nutters opinion that I’ve only just seen.

            Asia Times Online
            Obama resets the ‘pivot’ to Asia
            By M K Bhadrakumar
            http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-090514.html

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Yeah, the theory goes that the original claim that 10 million were starved to death came about because Banderites were attempting to trump the call that Hitler had murdered 6 million Jews. You know the score: we were wrong about Hitler, but he wasn’t half as bad as you lot were and still are!

      You still get this outbidding amongst the morons on the web; you know: Stalin murdered more than the Nazis so Hitler wasn’t all that bad…

      And extending that argument: the Germans have apologized for their collective crimes against humanity, but not the Russians.

      I’ll say the Germans have apologized and more! They’ve paid out billions in compensation for their attempted cleansing of Europe of Jewry … and they’re still paying.

      I wonder how much the German Federal republic has paid back in compensation for the 25 million plus Slavs who were exterminated 1941-1945?

      • Warren says:

        Re-Holodomor for those that understand French, notable French historian debunks the Holodomor by exposing the bias sources of the genocide claims.

        L’HOLODOMOR, NOUVEL AVATAR DE L’ANTICOMMUNISME « EUROPÉEN »
        Annie Lacroix-Riz, professeur d’histoire contemporaine, université Paris 7

        Click to access holodomor08.pdf

        • marknesop says:

          Well done, Warren; a solid and punchy reference which I think I may translate for a future post. Speaking of future posts, sorry for the slow loading due to high number of comments, but I have another post almost ready to go so I hope to avoid posting a stub just for comments.

          • Warren says:

            “Holodomor” peddlers’ primary sources are Italian and German diplomatic cables from the 1930s as evidence of deliberate genocide/famine. Remember Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany aren’t exactly impartial and neutral at that time. Whereas the French historian Lacroix-Riz cites French diplomatic cables that say there is a shortage of food however this is affecting the ENTIRE USSR! The French diplomatic cables say there are shortages of food in Ukraine, Russia, Caucasus and Central Asia! And not exclusive to Ukraine alone.

            Of course to challenge the “Holodomor” myth is now prohibited, and another curious thing about the “Holodomor” is the location of where it alleged to have taken place Easter Ukraine. Nevertheless it is Galicians and diaspora spawns that scream the most about it, when Galicia was never affected being that it was a province and voivodeship of Poland at time.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              “Of course to challenge the “Holodomor” myth is now prohibited, and another curious thing about the “Holodomor” is the location of where it alleged to have taken place Eastern Ukraine.”

              Right!

              One of the most published Ukrainian famine photographs is this one.

              It was taken in Kharkov.

              Ukrainian nationalists and speakers of Ukrainian call the place Kharkiv.

              I’ve been to Kharkov several times.

              Kharkov province, a Russian province, was tagged onto the newly formed in 1922 Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. It’s the first place you stop after crossing the frontier on the train from Moscow Kievsky Terminus. I reckon the Toronto Ukrainians have been at work on the Wiki entry for Kharkov, a place where the majority of the population is ethnic Russian (64%) and the language spoken is mostly Russian.

              Take this sentence, for example:

              The city was founded in 1654 and was a major centre of Ukrainian culture in the Russian Empire. Kharkiv was the first city in Ukraine to acknowledge Soviet power in December 1917 and later became the capital of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

              Note: “Kharkiv was the first city in Ukraine to acknowledge Soviet power in December 1917”.

              Funny that, because there was no “Ukraine” then.

              And the place was founded in 1654 – that’s the year of the Treaty of Pereyaslav when according to Wiki (Toronto Ukies?):

              The Council of Pereyaslav (Ukrainian: Переяславська рада) was the 1654 Cossack Rada convened in Pereyaslav on the initiative of Bohdan Khmelnytsky to address the issue on mutual relations between Cossack Hetmanate and Muscovy. The council was attended by a delegation from Muscovy. Reportedly the council adopted a decision on the unification of Ukraine with Russia, but no original documents have been preserved.

              See?

              There’s that mythical land called “Ukraine” again.

              But where the hetmanate had settled was in the “Wild Field”, the place then terrorized by Crimean Tatar slavers.

              West of the Dnieper was the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, a polity that the Cossacks settled in the Wild Fields would have none of – that’s why they chose to migrate eastwards, towards Russia.

              In 1654, the nearest Russian frontier fortress city to the new settlement of Kharkov and situated on the edge of the Wild Field was Belgorod: the next Russian frontier fortress city was Voronezh. I know both places well. Belgorod is the first Russian city that you come across when heading by train for Moscow and out of Kharkov.

              And there was never any such Pereyaslav treaty, of course, according to the contributors to Wiki, it was just a talking shop, a council to which the wicked Moskaly had been invited.

              That maniac Iryna Farion, however, believes there was such a treaty or accord or whatever made in 1654 with the “Moskaly”, for I’ve seen and heard her on You Tube spitting bile and venom as regards this decision to join Russia, something which she says was the worst one ever made in Ukrainian history.

              From Kharkov city centre to the Russian frontier is a distance of 20 miles.

              It was the same distance during “Holodomor”.

  38. yalensis says:

    Once again, junta “National Guard” pulling out of Mariupol . They announced their withdrawal effective 08:00 AM this morning.
    They had killed some innocent civilians yesterday, but also took casualties themselves (1 dead, 4 wounded), which is probably the reason they decided to pull out. Again.

    • yalensis says:

      After National Guard pulled out, locals in Mariupol continued building barricades and re-fortifying their positions. National Guard must have left an APC behind. This piece shows some local idiot trying to set it on fire. (They should fix it up and use as trophy for their victory parade, like people in Slav’ansk did with their APC.)

    • kirill says:

      If the regime in Kiev was anti-west then the western media would be trumpeting how it is failing to hold territory against local resistance. They would be correct. The regime is stretched thin and such pointless massacres of civilians are not going to get it any local support. Washington can offer all the backing it wants including the cheeseball propaganda we are seeing but that is not going to be enough.

      You can tell by the way the protestors are acting that they are not cowards. The character of Russians and likely most Ukrainians (not Banderites) is passive resistance. But by no means are people in the east and south of Ukraine just going to submit to Kiev. “Oni polozhat bolt na rejhim”.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Mariupol has a sizeable Greek community, believe.

        And another thing, which as far as I am aware, nobody has commented on in the Western media: Mariupol is very close to the Russian frontier. Of all the “anti-terrorist” operations launched by the CIA, this one is really right on the Evil One’s doorstep.

        Red rag – bull?

      • yalensis says:

        The lack of cowardice really struck me when watching some of the videos. In one video, there is this junta soldier, just lounging on a street corner and shooting at people walking by. And a bunch of people, including women, instead of running away from him, just keep walking up to him and yelling at him. This is the same soldier who shot that one guy in the stomach, and the guy had walked by him, yelling at him, and also confronting a tank, and showing absolutely no fear.

  39. Warren says:

    В Фейсбуке опубликовали “карту Коломойского” по аннексии российских территорий

    http://obozrevatel.com/politics/78462-v-fejsbuke-opublikovali-kartu-kolomojskogo-anneksii-rossijskih-territorij.htm

    The arrogance, hypocrisy and delusion of Ukrainian nationalists is farcical.

  40. yalensis says:

    Dr. Evil complaining that it so damned hard to kill terrorists when those terrorists have the support of the local population:


    “Вакханалия, страшный террор проходит при поддержке большого количества местного населения” – заявил Турчинов. При этом он подчеркнул, что именно массовое противодействие местного населения мешает проведению “антитеррористической операции”, в ходе которой Киев использует оружие и военную технику для подавления протестов на Востоке.

    “Это сложная проблема, когда население, обманутое пропагандой РФ, поддерживает террористов. Все равно надо оставаться людьми, сохранять человеческое отношение к тому, что вокруг тебя. Это все сильно затрудняет достижение цели Антитеррористической операции. Задача Антитеррористической операции – это, в первую очередь, защитить людей от этого произвола, от этого ужаса, убийств”, – заявил Турчинов.

    TRANSLATION

    “This Bacchanalia, this horrible terror, is taking place with the support of most of the local population,” Turchynov remarked. He underscored the fact that it was precisely this massive resistance on the part of the local population which impedes the “anti-terrorist operation”, in the course of which Kiev is using weapons and military equipment in order to suppress the protests in the East.

    “It’s a complicated problem, when the population, deceived by Russian propaganda, supports the terrorists. In any case, we have to remain human beings, we have to preserve our human attitude towards our surroundings. But it really makes it difficult for us to achieve our goals of the Anti-terrorist operation. The goal of the Anti-terrorist operation is, in the first place, to defend people from all this chaos, from this horror, these murders,” Turchynov declared.

    END OF TRANSLATION

    • kirill says:

      Someone needs to shoot this scumbag in the stomach. After all that is the human rights respecting democracy his Nazional Guard is dishing out to protestors in Mariupol and elsehwere. Shooting unarmed civilians expressing their free speech in a non-violent manner is the height of humanity according to this maggot.

    • Fern says:

      yalensis, you beat me to it. I think Turchinov’s comment that “we would have crushed the terrorists by now if they didn’t have the support of tens of thousands” must be THE quote of the week. Kiev’s new leaders are not too bright are they? I wonder if the US feels happy it has hitched its wagon to these particular stars?

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Kiev’s new leaders are not too bright are they? I wonder if the US feels happy it has hitched its wagon to these particular stars?

        I don’t think the US administration, especially the upper echelons of the office of Secretary of State, is abundant with bright people either and so they are unable to distinguish their moronic nature from that of their protégés.

        That doesn’t apply to members of the British civil service, of course, and Her Majesty’s ministers of state. Take our Willy, for example: he got a 1st Class Honours in Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Magdelen, Oxford.

        But what’s this I see?

        At Oxford, Willy, when becoming President of the Oxford University Conservative Association (OUCA), “..was also ‘convicted of electoral malpractice’ in the process. OUCA’s official historian David Blair notes that Hague was actually elected on a platform pledging to clean up OUCA, but that this was ‘tarnished by accusations that he misused his position as Returning Officer to help the Magdalen candidate for the Presidency, Peter Havey. Hague was playing the classic game of using his powers as President to keep his faction in power, and Havey was duly elected… There were accusations of blatant ballot box stuffing’.

        What an absolute bounder!

        Ballot box stuffing?

        Isn’t that what those Commies always do …?

        • yalensis says:

          If Willy received “class honours” while imbibing 16 pints of ale per day, that can only mean one thing:
          LITTLE WILLY CHEATED ON HIS EXAMS!

          • Jen says:

            No I think Wee Willy offered to share some of his hooch with the professors at university on the condition that they give him a 1st class Honours degree.

            BTW didn’t David Cameron also obtain a 1st class Honours degree in PPE at Oxford?

            • Moscow Exile says:

              I should imagine so. It’s probably par for the course. I remember seeing somewhere that all the top people (dare I say “siloviki”?) in the UK have all gone to the same few, select schools and colleges at the same universities (Oxbridge) and have done so for the past 400 years or so. There was a change in this tendency 40 years ago and commentors thought it was a wonderful thing, but signs are that the old way is back again.

              I’m talking about judges and politicians and civil servants here. As regards state security “goons” and their backgrounds, well officially they didn’t exist (officially) in the UK until quite recently: only Johnny Foreigner had such underhand state organs doncha know!

              See:

              Does a narrow social elite run the country?

              and:

              The strange death of the British middle class

              A look at the cabinet gives a fairly representative sample of trends in British life, with the sons and daughters of the elite again running the country. The Chancellor of the Exchequer is heir to a baronetcy. And alongside the Chancellor and the Prime Minister at the table are 21 fellow millionaires— including Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat leader. And Ed Miliband, as Labour leader, denounces them all from the comfort of his own £2 million house. The same trends are true in the media, judiciary and even the world of sport — a third of Britain’s 2012 Olympic medallists were privately -educated.

      • yalensis says:

        The only quote better than that one is where Evil opines about his “basic humanity”, while shedding a crocodile tear out of those dead watery eyes.

        • yalensis says:

          And P.S. – as to the quality of the human material.
          This came about when CIA pulled off their coup one year too early, and there was nobody to put in power except for Batkivshchina hacks like Yats and Turch.

          If I were them (=the CIA, that is), I think I would have skipped over these idiots and put Viktor Dioxinovich (=Yushchenko) back in harness. He’s stupid too, but his IQ is at least 10 points higher than the Yats/Turch combo.

          • kirill says:

            This is a key observation. This coup was premature. This begs the question why. I think Putin set them up by promising Yanukovich that which the EU could not deliver. It is likely that NATO would have preferred to stage this coup as in 2004 during the 2015 elections. They would claim fraud and then coerce some stooge into power like Yuschenko. The advantage is that it would keep the country intact and fool south-east Ukraine while the stooge regime purged all the non-Banderite elements from any post worthy of note.

            Right now we are seeing a steamroller towards the breakup of Ukraine. And the post 2004 order is dead and gone. No charade can be maintained to preserve Ukraine while making it a vassal of NATO. This and the secession of Crimea have been massive losses by NATO.

            • marknesop says:

              I think you’re both right. It is amazing now that the west announced with such studied nonchalance that it was not going to “get into a bidding war with Russia” over Ukraine, but in fact it was only in the last couple of days before Yanukovych kicked over the apple-cart that they got an inkling he might not sign, and tried – too late – to recover by removing the requirement that Tymoshenko be freed. When Yanukovych, unannounced, flew off to Moscow and signed a deal with Putin, and when the money began to flow almost immediately, the west must have been burning up the connections between their leaders. The upshot of it all, of course, was that they got into a bidding war with Moscow. Whereupon the newly-confident coup government proceeded to shit its pants, starting with the rescinding of the law on the Russian language. But I am sure that plan was ready to go for 2015, for the toppling of Yanukovych.

    • marknesop says:

      He has a hell of a funny way of defending people from murders by doing them. How many murders of western Ukrainians have there been by southeasterners who journeyed to Ternopil or Lviv to burn people alive in their homes? It certainly has not gotten much press if it ever happened, and to the very best of my knowledge the biggest thing the westerners have to cope with is economic constraint caused by the coup government having effectively driven the currency over a cliff and bankrupted the country by frightening away investment and pissing all over its biggest trading partner.

      Meanwhile the westerners, driven by a combination of their own innate imaginings of moral superiority and a surfeit of coup-government propaganda, totally believe they are embarked on a grand nation-building project in which a few deaths are both inconsequential and a necessary method of forcing cooperation.

  41. Moscow Exile says:

    Russia threatened with further sanctions if it derails Ukraine elections

    So if the elections don’t go ahead – it’s Russia’s fault and Russia will be punished.

    If there are no elections are impossible because of civil war – it’s Russia’s fault and Russia will be punished.

    If the Kiev “government” anti-“terrorist” operation have led to civil war – it’s Russia’s fault and Russia will be punished.

    If Eastern Ukrainians refuse to participate in the ballot – it’s Russia’s fault and Russia will be punished.

    If Dr. Evil cancels the presidential election – it’s Russia’s fault and Russia will be punished.

    No matter what happens – it’s Russia’s fault and Russia will be punished?

    • Think positive. All this will even further marginalize pro-western liberasts in Russia and more importantly force Russia to make itself less dependent on western financial institutions and energy sales to west.

      In a short term this will hurt but the less dependent Russia is on the West the better. Russia will need to work harder to diversify its economy and make itself more self-sufficient.

    • cartman says:

      It is important to call for en emergence UNSC meeting after every action taken by Kiev. Russia needs to do this now for Mariupol.

    • astabada says:

      karl, did you just write think positive?

      🙂

  42. Moscow Exile says:

    Got this cracker posted to the Grauniad comments concerning the legality of referendums such as that which might take place tomorrow or that which has already taken place in the Crimea:

    “Anne Peters, European Journal of International Law
    April 16, 2014

    From an international law perspective, the constitutional admissibility or inadmissibility of the referendum is irrelevant. Therefore, any potential international legal value of the Ukrainian referendum is not tainted by its unconstitutionality. It is actually typical that territorial referendums conducted in the exercise of the right to self-determination are unconstitutional under the law of the mother state.

    For example, prior to the Lithuanian referendum of 9th February 1991, then president of the Soviet Union, Gorbachev, had declared these referendums illegal and their result void. Nevertheless, the European Community and numerous other international actors welcomed the decision to hold referendums on Baltic independence.”

    My italics.

    Note the typical hypocrisy concerning the European attitude towards the Lithuanian referendum: no matter what Russia (or, as in this case, the Soviet Union) claims, it is always in the wrong.

  43. Moscow Exile says:

    In Ukraine, Putin is running rings around the West

    That’s Orlando Fige’s take on things.

    Although he makes the customary suggestion that Putin is not 100% kosher – in this case, he alludes to the President’s hidden wealth – he concedes that he is pissing on the West’s chips, as the posh folk say in my neck of the woods.

    A commenter – a Swede, as it happens (our fellow contributor perhaps?) notes:

    Orlando Figes is a conservative British historian, not a journalist or a misty-eyed old Bolshevik. And here, I think he raises some interesting points about how sancions may prove counterproductive.
    There was and will be no “end of history”, sorry if that disappoints you.

  44. There is an ongoing battle in Slaviansk and according to some reports the regime has used heavy artillery in the city. Sounds of explosions and sights of burning buildings.

    Another bloody day in Eastern Ukraine.

    • kirill says:

      I think Russia should intervene with air power to destroy artillery being used on population centers. This would not be an invasion, it would be policing. But unfortunately Russia cannot get UN approval to impose such policing. So NATO would spin this as invasion.

      • I want Russia to intervene as well, at least enforce a NFZ over Eastern Ukraine and use air force to destroy the junta artillery units that are shelling civilian centers, as you said.

        I’m afraid we will hear sad news tomorrow if it is true what these people are writing in a forum which link I posted in another post. Junta is using a far greater force now than in its previous attacks and apparently civilian death toll will be huge. Hopefully I am wrong.

        UN will be worthless as the West will block any Russian attempt to solve the situation with using force against the junta, no matter how great the death toll is. If we will see hundreds or thousands of victims then I think Putin is obliged to act even without UN mandate.

    • There is a discussion (in Russian) about the events in Slaviansk here: http://torum.org/index.php?topic=7702.1590

      I ran it through Google translator and it seems like some heavy and bad things are happening currently in Slaviansk, at least if what these people are telling is true.

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