Good Judgment Comes From Experience. Experience Comes From Bad Judgment.

Uncle Volodya says, "If you insist on disavowing that which is ugly about what you do, you will never learn from your mistakes. "

Uncle Volodya says, “If you insist on disavowing that which is ugly about what you do, you will never learn from your mistakes. “

“Nowadays most people die of a sort of creeping common sense, and discover when it is too late that the only things one never regrets are one’s mistakes.”

Oscar Wilde, from “The Picture of Dorian Gray”

And so begins the liberal application of whitewash to one of the most disgraceful episodes in Ukraine’s history. From shouting know-nothing students high on protest being made to look like a massive multitude of savvy political hipsters to the deliberate and calculated interjection of violence when Yanukovych crumbled and gave the opposition everything it had asked for – because everything was still not enough – to the premeditated and grisly murder of peaceful protesters in the Odessa Trade Union Building to the pummeling of eastern-Ukrainian towns in a punitive operation because the townspeople dared to speak up for themselves, to strafing attacks on helpless civilians that left  dead innocents sprawled in the careless choreography of broken limbs and smashed bodies.

Common sense is indeed coming, creeping on unobtrusive pads and hoping to restore normality with a dash of amnesia. The sad and simple fact of the matter is that Ukraine’s leadership committed war crimes, knowingly and deliberately, and was encouraged to commit them and to go on committing them by the governments of the United States and Canada and the European Union, who provided them with cover, rationalized away their actions as simple acts of law enforcement to which any government is entitled, and pretended that Ukraine’s leadership had a perfect right to behave as it did.

Now all the actors are realizing that there can be no solutions to Ukraine’s terrible troubles without involving Russia. Something quite a few people tried to tell them at the outset, when taking good advice would have cost nothing. There is a name for people who must learn everything the hard way, but I am too tired to say it again.

The ghoulish Roman orgy of destruction and slaughter rationalized as Kiev’s “anti-terrorist operation” is drawing to a close, of pure necessity, without having achieved any of its goals. Collateral damage numbers in the hundreds of lives lost and the millions upon millions in property damage to eastern Ukrainian cities who had the temerity to speak up for themselves and say that their concerns and hopes were not fairly represented by their government, and that they no longer wished to labour under its governance. Most of them never wanted separation, or to be a part of Russia, but to live in a Ukraine that respected them and their opinions. A federalized union of regions, as Russia originally proposed, would have suited them very well. But the coup government was proud, and pride and bad decisions go together like nerds and hornrim glasses.

Something the coup government – and its successor, Poroshenko, himself an avid cheerleader for the “anti-terrorist operation” – never got around to explaining was who was being terrorized by the terrorists, considering they never left their cities. Instead, they prepared themselves for the coming of the reaper, while the smug fucks in Lviv cheered the armoured columns on. Not for them to be shot while standing on their own balcony, to gasp out their last breath in a bullet-riddled car opened up like a sardine can by eager, gawky draftees backed by latter-day Nazis under the Right Sektor banner. Not for them to die with the smell of their own burning hair in their nostrils, like the terrified protesters in the basement of Odessa’s Trade Union Building, a horror so great that the west can still not bring itself to admit the real death toll. No, life went on pretty much as it always had for Kiev and the west of Ukraine, but for the thrill of patriotism in their breasts born from the knowledge that the new government, which served their interests to the exclusion of others, was on the job. Geroyim slava.

The talk now has a distinctly “Aw shucks: hope there ain’t no hard feelins” feel to it. Ukraine sees understanding with Moscow, we hear, on parts of a peace plan proposed by Petro Poroshenko, if you can read that without laughing so hard that you spill coffee all over yourself. Yes, Peaceful PoroChocco the “Great Pragmatist”, who as recently as May 30th vowed to punish “rebels” who were responsible for shooting down a military helicopter which was part of the anti-terrorist operation come to kill as many of them as it could. “These criminal acts by the enemies of the Ukrainian people will not go unpunished”, he elaborated for his many western fans, who were probably reminded of Ayad Allawi, the U.S. appointed temporary Prime Minister of Iraq. “No talks with terrorists“, vowed Ukraine’s “burly” new leader (that’s a new word for “corpulent from a lifetime of ease and rich food”, in case you didn’t recognize it), who supposedly compelled the “overwhelming rallying” of his people behind him and who confidently promised to roll up the terrorists “in a matter of hours” with his “robust campaign”.

Take note, those keeping score – wild-ass prediction number one, which obviously came to nothing. Now some would have us believe that PoroChocco is “putting out the olive branch of peace“. Listen: is that the flutter of doves I hear?

What that is is a steaming heap of bullshit. While the west is scuffing the dirt with its toe and pretending like it was all just a bad dream – “We have a responsibility to stand with our partners in a difficult time,” Mr. Dudley of BP told an audience at the St. Petersburg forum – PoroChocco is talking tough to Time Magazine and conveying the message that the only reason he’s willing to sit at the table with Russia and do deals is because no western country is prepared to guarantee Ukraine’s security. There’s a dual message there, both implicit: one, the west tried to crush Russia and failed. Two, PoroChocco’s vaunted “pragmatism” might extend to putting Ukraine back in Russia’s orbit if the west doesn’t step up.

The purpose of that New York Times piece is not to show how brave these companies are for doing the duck-and-weave around government-imposed sanctions, but to signal to Russia that American business wants to mend the rift and go back to making money.  But it cannot be business as usual again. It can’t. Because the west cannot be trusted. Economic war is the new policy tool of the 21st century, and western governments are keen to employ it. Russia must never be vulnerable to the west attempting to pull the rug out from under it again. If western companies want to do business in Russia – and they plainly do – it should be under conditions such as those now imposed on Visa and Mastercard: they have to post a large bond in advance with a non-western bank, which would be liable to confiscation if the company defaulted on its agreements for the purpose of obeying its government’s call for punitive sanctions. Because make no mistake: the sole reason for this fence-mending exercise is because the effort to tip over the Russian economy was a failure. Granted, it wasn’t much of an effort, and although it cost a little money, the Russian economy has weathered much worse storms and could again. However, if it had been a success, and the economy had collapsed and Russia had asked for terms – those companies now gobbling about their responsibility to their partners in difficult times would walk over the heads of their partners’ children to take over ownership. And Russians would be labourers in their own land for foreign owners. This episode has been a valuable lesson; it can’t be business as usual.

To say nothing of the war crimes committed by Ukraine’s government, eagerly aided and abetted by the west even as their media gave it cover by minimizing what it was doing and pooh-poohing those who suggested Kiev was carrying out a punitive pogrom against the eastern towns, some of which have been flattened to rubble and others in which not a building is left standing undamaged. Indiscriminate attack, which makes use of weapons that are unguided and whose effects cannot be controlled, and “treats an area with similar concentrations of military and civilian objectives as a single military objective.” Denial of Humanitarian Assistance, in the cutting off of water, food and electricity supplies. Persecution of an identifiable group on religious, political or racial grounds, forcible transfer of population, murder and imprisonment. The use of mercenaries as a means of impeding the exercise of the right of peoples to self-determination. All supported by an abundance of evidence, if anyone cared to document it.

Kiev will try to squirm out from under any charges – if in fact any are ever laid – by claiming these apply only in the law of armed conflict, which is not operative in the case of a law enforcement action by a government against its own people. Ask yourself if that would be the consensus opinion if it had been Russia or Iran doing it. The EU would have turned itself inside-out running for the ECHR, while North America would have tutted and quacked about democratic values and freedom until the judgment trump.

Kiev must not be allowed to get away with it. And the west, which so eagerly backed first the coup government and then the election of one of Ukraine’s biggest oligarchs to the presidency – one who helped to draft, as a businessman, the very EU Association Agreement he is eager to sign as President – must be restricted in its joint business dealings with Russia to the point that the west cannot menace Russia with the sanctions weapon because it would hurt western business too badly. Then the west – and most especially the USA – will have to turn once again to negotiation, dialogue and international regulatory bodies to throw its weight around.

It’s not over yet. But you can see over from here.

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932 Responses to Good Judgment Comes From Experience. Experience Comes From Bad Judgment.

  1. Kiev army shells Russian boarder AGAIN: http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/20/custom/

    The same thing happened a few days ago. Then a couple of Russian boarder guards were killed. This time one border guard was seriously wounded.

    Kiev is getting really confident. They can kill Russian soldiers IN RUSSIA while knowing that Moscow will not give a damn about it.

  2. colliemum says:

    That ‘peace’ proposal – it’s already being shredded.
    Kolomoisky says his ‘army’ will fight and ‘eliminate’ all terrorists.

    • marknesop says:

      Oh, gosh, Benny – I’m afraid that’s illegal. Not that it probably bothers you, since you seem to be able to get away with anything you like – which is more or less the defining principle of an oligarch – but article 17 of the 2004 Ukrainian Constitution (re-adopted in 2014 so as to do away with some icky changes Yanukovych made) is quite specific:

      Article 17

      To protect the sovereignty and territorial indivisibility of Ukraine, and to ensure its economic and informational security are the most important functions of the State and a matter of concern for all the Ukrainian people.

      The defense of Ukraine and the protection of its sovereignty, territorial indivisibility and inviolability, are entrusted to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      Ensuring state security and protecting the state border of Ukraine are entrusted to the respective military formations and law enforcement bodies of the State, whose organization and operational procedure are determined by law.

      The Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations shall not be used by anyone to restrict the rights and freedoms of citizens or with the intent to overthrow the constitutional order, subvert the bodies of power, or obstruct their activity.

      The State ensures the social protection of citizens of Ukraine who serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in other military formations as well as of members of their families.

      The creation and operation of any armed formations not envisaged by law are prohibited on the territory of Ukraine.

      The location of foreign military bases shall not be permitted on the territory of Ukraine.

      Mind you, if you are guided by the principle “lead by example”, you could pretty much wipe your ass with the Ukrainian Constitution, for all the weight of responsibility it is accorded by the present slow-motion-comedy of a government in Kiev. What makes me say that, Benny? Well, Article 3, for a start:

      Article 3

      The human being, his or her life and health, honor and dignity, inviolability and security are recognized in Ukraine as the highest social value.

      Human rights and freedoms and their guarantees determine the essence and orientation of the activity of the State. The State is answerable to the individual for its activity. To affirm and ensure human rights and freedoms is the main duty of the State.

      I hope I don’t have to point out where you fucked up there. But constitutional lawyers would just be getting warmed up, if there are any left in Ukraine who don’t spend more time attending torchlight parades glorifying Stepan Bandera than they do reading the law. They’d be inquiring how the government thinks its present performance in east Ukraine conforms to the Article 17 item which states The Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations shall not be used by anyone to restrict the rights and freedoms of citizens or with the intent to overthrow the constitutional order, subvert the bodies of power, or obstruct their activity.”

      Yes, I know: like Don Rumsfeld was wont to say, “Freedom is untidy”. Gosh.

  3. colliemum says:

    Can’t keep up with this: now Lyashko also will not accept that peace plan:

    • yalensis says:

      лысенькай дебил…

      • Southerncross says:

        If Pete really wants peace, this is his chance. He can order the military to stand down and let the ultras charge in without air or armour support. And after they’ve been massacred he can arrest Kolomoisky, Lyashko, Yarosh et al and propose an actual peace plan to the rebels.

        If.

  4. yalensis says:

    DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES???!!!

    Just when Igor Strelkov was writing out his last will and testament, preparing to die in fiery battle…
    At the last possible moment (What a cliffhanger!), Uke forces, having encircled Slav’ansk and boxed Igor and his men into a corner, and about to surge into Slav’ansk destroying everything in their path…

    on the brink of victory, suddenly these invincible forces turned around and ran away.
    So, now insurgents are back in Yampol, having given Ukes a good whupping and captured some of their heavy machinery.

    Act of God?
    Not exactly..
    Igor credits the fact that Russian troops had returned once again to their positions on the border.
    At the first whiff of Russian army,Ukes got scared and returned to their positions.. at least, for now.

    Strelkov, grudgingly: “Thanks, Russia!”

    • kirill says:

      The phone call between Porosyuk and Putin must have included something to make the Banderites back off. I hope Putin didn’t kiss Porosyuk’s ass. At this stage I am not able to dismiss such behaviour as a smear job. The attack on the border post was a clear provocation. Since Banderite vermin are on a rampage, what would make them back off?

      • yalensis says:

        Chronology:
        Thursday night phone call between Putin and Chocco.
        A few hours later, Ukes back off and stop shelling Slav’ansk.
        Coincidence? Cause and effect? I don’t know.
        I would hope that Putin threatened Chocco with some kind of retatliation, if he proceeded to storm Slav’ansk.
        Also, one has to keep in mind at all times that Chocco’s main motive is not the well-being of his nation, but to secure, and increase, his personal wealth. In other words, Chocco is like a caricature of attributes that the West ascribes to Putin.

      • patient observer says:

        “Putin threatened to hang Saakashvili “by the balls” during the 2008 war, which was sparked by Georgian efforts to regain control of a breakaway region backed by Russia”. Works like a charm.

      • yalensis says:

        Dear Al:
        I see your luscious “Hot Chocoate” (yum!) and raise you one “Hitler didn’t get the Golden Ticket” to Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory. (Poor Adolphchen was so disappointed, and please just suspend disbelief and pretend that there is some kind of political message there):

        • Jen says:

          Yes der kleine Adolf was keen to grab a share of Ukraine’s energy resources in the Donbass region. What a disappointment … enough to make him want to invade the country.

        • yalensis says:

          Adolphchen got greedy and tried to drink all the chocolate in Willy’s river.
          For his efforts he got sucked up into a giant pipe (probably one of those old rusty Gazprom pipes) and shot out like a cannonball… but NOT to the marshmallow room!

  5. marknesop says:

    Hey, Jen – off-topic, but have you seen this? “The Trade in Services Agreement, which is being negotiated among 50 countries, including the US, the member nations of the EU, Australia, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Hong Kong, Iceland, Israel, Japan, Liechtenstein, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Panama, Peru, South Korea, and Switzerland. TISA would liberalize, as in reduce the ability of nations to regulate, a large range of services.”

    Sounds innocuous enough, but for Australia – if signed and ratified – this deal would end Australia’s restrictions on foreign ownership of banks.

    The international banksters are at it again, trying for massive deregulation of the sort that inspired the 2009 global financial crash. Except that Canadian banks did not deregulate as American banks did, and it saved our economy. Canada is one of the nations considering this insidious legislation.

    As the author reiterates, “financial services firms find it profitable to create risk”.

    • Jen says:

      Yes I have seen the news about the TISA, it was front-page news in The Sydney Morning Herald yesterday. Our idiot Gang of Four banks are all up for it and given that our leader Tony Abbott is best buddies with your Stephen Hit … oops, Harper, he will probably try to steam-roll that one too through Parliament with Treasurer Jolly-Joe Hockey-sticks as his No 1 Cheerleader. Not that they have to try very hard since the previous Gillard government supported TISA as well.

      https://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/negotiations/services/trade-in-services-agreement.html

      There may be details in the agreement that the Abbott govt may want to hammer out but I don’t foresee that our Mad Monk leader – he originally considered entering a seminary when he was young – will object much to it in principle.

      • marknesop says:

        They’ve always wanted to control the world through its financial links, but this is simply an overt move to make it happen. I wonder, though, what this presages for systems like SWIFT? It was once thought that being frozen out of SWIFT was death, and that it was a sophisticated and altogether genteel way of laying siege to a country to bring it into alignment without all that messy shooting – the result, however, would be the same and the designated country would eventually collapse and be ripe for the plucking. Simply pick a new leader that western consensus says would be good for freedom and democracy, and we’re back on track.

        But Iran proved that was not necessarily so, and although it was the test case, the first to be cut out of SWIFT, it survived. It also de-dollarized to a large degree; I imagine if you went there as a tourist and wanted to spend American dollars or exchange them, you still can, but that’s nickel-and-dime stuff. The big commercial transactions are now in other currencies.

        Which makes me wonder to what extent TISA is a move to keep the dollar’s prominence in the face of the biggest challenge it has ever faced. I know people keep talking about it and it never happens, which leads know-alls like Mark Adomanis to chortle that it will never happen, the dollar will reign supreme until the end of time and threats to it by Russia are just too laughable for words. But the pace of such things is customarily glacial, because there are years of opposing pressure before anything starts to crack. There is a growing disillusionment in some quarters with the western currency monopoly, and the free transfer of western banks between countries and wide-open ownership sounds quite a bit like circling the wagons to me.

        In any case, it will as usual be sold to the consumers as a huge advance in banking freedom and increased self-determination and choice for the customer; amazing idea really, staggering in its scope, don’t know why we never thought of it earlier.

        • Jen says:

          The idea of foreign bank penetration into the Australian financial industry is not new, it’s been floating behind the scenes since the mid-1980s when deregulation took place. But all that happened was that a few foreign banks got licences to operate in a limited capacity, mainly serving boutique and corporate investment needs, and local banks here indulged in a flurry of mergers and engulfing building societies (the equivalent of savings and loans institutions). Then we had a huge credit bubble that crashed spectacularly in the early 1990s leading to the downfall of a huge company Qintex and its main owner Christopher Skase becoming an international fugitive. Since then Australian banks have been more or less on their best behaviour and that helped to stave off the worst effects of the GFC in 2008.

          The big question is the pace at which agreements like TISA, TPP and the TTIP are being made and why they are being made now or almost all at once in a way that makes it difficult for people to follow and to connect the dots at their own leisure. This phenomenon couldn’t have anything to do with the crisis in Ukraine and how Russia plans to retaliate against the US for stirring up the debacle there or could it?
          http://www.storyleak.com/us-dollar-under-grave-threat-russia-plans-global-retaliation/

          And then there is this interesting article on Ellen Brown’s Web of Debt blog which adds another dimension:
          http://ellenbrown.com/2014/06/20/buying-up-the-planet-out-of-control-central-banks-on-a-corporate-buying-spree/

          So the implication is that Australia, Canada, the EU and others are a reserve army of piggy banks for the US to break into when the rainy day not only arrives but brings with it storms and floods.

          • marknesop says:

            In a perhaps-related item, Jim writes on his blog that “the two leading neoliberal powers – the USA and the UK – will likely once again lead the lemming rush over the subprime mortgage cliff, and that this may happen sooner rather than later. House prices in both countries are already showing signs of beginning to rise dangerously fast.” I wonder if this might have anything to do with the pressure to deregulate – the subprime meltdown last time was an enormous, gargantuan transfer of wealth from the public to the private sector in the form of bailouts, and it is not difficult to imagine the banksters might be getting hungry again. Probably not, because the latest deregulation scheme is massive and not likely can be rushed through quickly enough to contribute to another subprime scheme. But major financial events are seldom unrelated.

    • Fern says:

      A short while back, the EU parliament passed legislation that would mean the burden of any future bank failures fell upon the creditors of the bank rather than the taxpayers of specific countries. And who could possibly object to that? Of course, amongst the creditors are zillions of personal account-holders, Joe and Jill Public with their savings accounts and current accounts. So this piece of legislation empowers bail-ins. On paper, no deposit below the current deposit guarantee scheme maximum will be touched – in the UK it’s £85,000 – but that, of course, presumes governments have the funds to make good the money and since many European countries are pretty near insolvent, that’s very doubtful. The potential pauperisation of millions of people within so-called ‘first world’ countries is in play here.

  6. Fern says:

    More evidence (if any were needed) of a) the dire quality of Ukrainian diplomats and b) the utter f**king uselessness and bias of the UN. Vitaly Churkin (Russia’s Ambassador to the UN) has had quite a ding-dong with his Ukrainian counterpart. The Ukrainian guy, invited to comment on the killing of a child during a missile strike said that it had never happened and that the child’s parents (who must have been interviewed for Russian media), were actors paid to appear and emote by the Russian TV channel. Oh, and the two Russian journalists killed earlier in the week? It was their own fault – they should have been wearing helmets. The Ukrainian Ambassador has spoken at such length and in such detail at the UN on the deaths of these journalists that Churkin says Russia has concluded they were probably followed for days by one of Kiev’s death squads and deliberately targeted.

    Churkin also talked in some detail about the contents of the latest Kiev whitewash report produced by the UN. Even a US journalist present at Churkin’s media briefing expressed surprise that the report only allocated a paragraph or two to the Lugansk air strike whereas he was expecting a much more detailed analysis of what had taken place. Churkin said he’d raised this point and was told that the authors of the report could not comment on Lugansk because the so-called ‘investigations’ team that went to Ukraine did not include any armaments experts. Is it not utterly bizarre that the UN would send a team into a conflict zone that didn’t include anyone with the technical expertise to examine the evidence the UN went there to get?? It’s exactly like the UN team that went to investigate the alleged chemical weapons attack in Ghouta that apparently didn’t think it was necessary to ask to see, examine and take samples from the bodies of those supposedly killed during the attack.

    Another issue that was raised in the UN was the water cut-off to Crimea. Again, the report’s authors said they couldn’t comment on this since they had no access to Crimea – this is in spite of Kiev making no secret of the cut-off, the availability of photographs showing no water in the canal supplying Crimea, satellite images showing the same thing and widespread reports of farming losses because of the man-made drought. As Churkin pointed out, this lack of access to Crimea only prevented the report from commenting on the water situation, it didn’t prevent the authors from saying Crimea was going to hell in a hand basket since rejoining Russia.

    Russia’s western ‘partners’ at the UN have apparently intimated that they might be willing to discuss the humanitarian crisis in eastern Ukraine if Russia makes a statement acknowledging that Crimea is Ukrainian territory. This is another Rambouillet-type tactic on behalf of the West – demand the impossible in the full knowledge that it will never be conceded.

    And on the Iraq front, Putin has had a telephone call with al-Maliki and told him Russia whole-heartedly supports the Iraqi government’s efforts to remove ISIS/ISIL from Iraqi territory. Seems he’s not on board with the US’s ‘Maliki must step down’ schtick. Can Russia be sanctioned for that? Insane McCain is probably working on it.

    • kirill says:

      When you look at the body of the girl murdered by the regime during its terror shelling you can tell her injuries are real and not fake. I hope someone hunts down this maggot one day and puts a bullet in his head. The whole of the Kiev quisling regime deserves the fate of Bandera. (If I posted this on militaryphotos I would be banned🙂 )

  7. Johan Meyer says:

    With Ukrainian economic suicide being six days away (27 June), I thought I’d post a bit of humour:

    The caption in the Russian bear’s mouth is (Ukrainian): “Who doesn’t jump is a Moskal.”

    With that timing, the terrorism against the east should end relatively shortly.

  8. yalensis says:

    Did somebody already post this? If so, please forgive me for re-posting.
    This one is pretty good.

    https://news.vice.com/video/russian-roulette-dispatch-50-separatists-shoot-down-ukrainian-plane

    • marknesop says:

      Yes, they squeal about “Russian propaganda”, but notice how that particular incident rapidly morphed from one in which 40-some soldiers were killed in the shooting down of a military aircraft to one in which a transport aircraft was shot down and 49 people died. It must have been in a dire state indeed if it required 45 flight engineers to keep it in the air (allowing that perhaps 4 were simply aircrew and might or might not have been military. I guess they were all wearing their pajamas, too, in anticipation of tuckies and a good sleep in a soft bed, because you do not see a single helmet or anything that looks like a weapon in the wreckage. It’s hard to imagine bodies would be completely consumed, but if they want to go with that explanation as to why there were no bodies, fine. But it staggers the imagination that the ensuing fire also burned up all their rifles and helmets. That plane wreck looks like there were no passengers aboard at all.

      But even if there were, why would 40-some Ukrainian soldiers be flying into Donetsk? To participate in a Freedom of the City parade? Hardly. It was not the east who made it a war, but now it is one and the Ukrainian military is the enemy of the east, and will kill easterners if it can.

      • yalensis says:

        Just strange how the whole family comes out to pick over the wreckage. Including little kiddies and Gramps in his bathrobe.

      • kirill says:

        The temperatures generated by burning jet fuel are not high enough to incinerate bones to ash. Bones are a type of mineral lattice formed by living organisms out of calcium. Calcium does not burn like carbon. It takes a sustained 825 C to make CaO (quick lime) from CaCO2 (calcium carbonate) and if you leave it exposed it will react with CO2 to reform calcium carbonate. Obviously CaO is not a gas that will diffuse like CO2 produced from combustion of muscles, organs and skin. Another feature that preserves bones if the fact that they are every porous and act much like the ceramic tiles used on the Space Shuttle by limiting the amount of thermal conductivity.

        A fact that few of these “journalists” and whatnot have no clue about is that bodies would not just be strewn about to be collected. They would be impacted into the ground. So there is no way in hell some night time operation lasting a few hours could clean the site up this thoroughly. There would also be evidence of the ground being dug up to remove bones and bone fragments imbedded by the impact.

        As with crime scene forensics, physical reality encompasses many details and physical constraints that give an idea of what occurred. There weren’t any soldiers on board. In addition, there would be no need to have an 8 member flight crew to fly the plane. At most two people are needed and they both could have jumped out with parachutes.

        • yalensis says:

          I read that, in a crash like that, the human heads would burn off the bodies and would be essentially turned into cannon balls, that would hit the ground at high velocites and drill into it, creating craters.

          Somebody who knows calculus should try to compute the acceleration of the heads, taking into account that the plane was already fairly low (and in landing position) when it was downed. But still high enough for the effects of gravity and velocity, etc.

          • marknesop says:

            I would imagine most of the actual burning action occurred on the ground, after the plane crashed and broke up. The hit likely did cause somewhat of a fire, but the plane was largely intact when it hit the ground by the look of the wreck, so it didn’t explode, and as you pointed out, it was almost down anyway.

            • Al says:

              I’ve read that even when there has been intense destruction and no identifiable body parts can be found, one thing left behind are boots. Sometimes with feet still inside them. On reflection, I now think it highly likely that beyond pilot, co-pilot and loadmaster (and some freeloaders), there was nobody else in that Il-76. Nobody has shown otherwise apart from claims, but as some of you have already pointed out, Kiev achieved their propaganda victory despite any facts.

      • Jen says:

        The way this incident is being spun and Kirill’s comment about jet fuel burning human bones remind me of conspiracy theories about how the WTC buildings fell on 11 September 2001. One such theory was that empty jumbo jets were guided by remote control into particular floors that housed large computers storing certain sensitive data about stock market transactions on companies headquartered in the buildings themselves in the three weeks leading up to the day. As far as I know, one of the Boeing 767s crashed into the offices of Marsh & McLennan, a professional services / risk management / insurance broker firm.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_%26_McLennan_Companies

        One of its subsidiary companies set up a crisis management practice with Paul Bremer as chairman.

        So there’s a possibility that a near-empty Ukrainian plane was sent into Donetsk deliberately to provoke the separatists into bringing it down. The only problem is that whoever sent it didn’t have a proper story ready to explain it away.

        • kirill says:

          I was thinking about 9/11 when I wrote my reply. But in this case the trip was to supply the regime forces with ammunition and vehicles (there were three BTRs on board). They milked the downing of the plane for propaganda value: evil terrorist kill noble Ukrainian soldiers. This actually works in central and western Ukraine. The attack on the Russian embassy was part of the hysteria whipped up by the downing of the transport plane. So there is no need for 9/11 conspiracies.

          • kirill says:

            I also made a mistake. The ammunition would have made the heat much higher but judging from the BTR parts in the wreckage there was not enough heat to melt steel so there would not have been enough to burn up the bones. Anyone can verify the validity of this theorizing by visiting the crash site and digging around in the ground. There would be plenty of bone fragments if there were 49 people on board.

          • yalensis says:

            Dear kirill: That totally makes sense. There is no need for a big conspiracy theory, like Ukes shooting down their own plane..
            Uke junta was clearly not happy about losing the plane, it was actually the best troop carrier in their (small) fleet.
            But you make a convincing argument that probably nobody was killed in the crash, since no bones were found. Yet junta decided to pretend that 49 people died.
            Why would they do this?

            Well, the reason is probably fairly simple. If you recall, when the crash first happened, the Uke government had a statement out on their website, like, within 5 minutes, with the full story: how terrorists shot down the plane, and around 30 people died.
            Later, they upped that number to 49.

            The fact that this incident stirred up hysteria and hatred against Russia was just a bonus side-effect.
            I believe the real reason (and I didn’t invent this theory, but I subscribe to it) was that junta is constantly looking for ways to “write off” military deaths that turned out to be inconvenient for them. Like, their guys either lost some battle, that they didn’t want to admit losing; or troops died from friendly fire; or whatever. There are a lot of missing Uke soldiers. Junta has outraged relatives demanding to know where their loved one is, or if he died. They have lots of deaths that they can’t account for. So, they wait, and use some incident to “write them off” the ledger book. Preferably without having to pay a pension to the family; although in this particular case, they would have to. (Any death ascribed to this plane crash would have to be considered pensionable.)

            • marknesop says:

              The fly in the ointment there is that relatives would know full well that Sergey or Mikhail or whoever disappeared long ago and would not be on that plane – that kind of ledger-balancing would work fine for the west, which does not ask for what its friends do to make sense, but it would not fool relatives. I think that Kiev in company with its western string-pullers is always probing for a hook incident that will inspire outrage in the western public and demand that it be avenged; like the “Houla Massacre” in Syria. They tried hard to spin this one in that fashion, gallant patriotic soldiers going to a needless and fiery death at the hands of lowbrow thugs, but it didn’t take off and was reluctantly abandoned. Now they are left with an apparently empty plane and a story that does not add up, but that doesn’t matter because nobody is asking questions.

  9. yalensis says:

    Here is more info about that supposed “incursion” of 80 Ukrainian border soldiers into Russia:

    So, last night, these border soldiers were fighting against Separatists in the area of Izvarino-Donetsk, which is on the border with Russia.
    In the middle of the firefight, some of the Ukes were wounded, and then a bunch of them (around 80) fled from the Seps, in the course of which they fled across the border into Russia, trying to get away from the Seps.

    On the other side of the border, Russian FSB and border patrol gave the wounded Ukes some first aid, but did no approve of their waltzing back and forth across the border, but everybody seems to do it, since the border is so porous.

    The piece does not go on to say if the 80 Ukes returned home, or if they will be staying on in Russia.
    There is talk of building a fence.

  10. yalensis says:

    Some other interesting news from the battlefront:
    Early Saturday morning 21 June, Rebels destroyed a battery of radar type equipment placed by an anti-air unit of junta forces in the town of Avdeevka, near Donetsk.
    Since Rebs don’t have an airforce, somebody please enlighten me why junta needed anti-air radar installations in the area.
    In any case, Rebs had requested many, many times that the Andreevka unit surrender; but the latter refused.
    So finally, early this morning, Rebs destroyed the unit and the anti-air equipment, using machine-gun fire and large-calibre weapon fire.

  11. yalensis says:

    Here is more info on that radar installation attack.

    Apparently, the radar unit in Andreevka was an integral component of Ukraine’s entire air-defense system, controlling the air space above the entire nation.
    Hence, the successful attack on the cell at Andreevka degrades Ukraine’s air defenses significantly, so Ukes wouldn’t be able to shoot down Russian planes if the latter were to start flying overhead, not that they would ever do such a thing.

    Ukes say that insurgents conducted a scouting foray initially, the night before, and then a classic diversionary raid, which confused the defenders.

    Then, at 4:40 AM the real attack begin, with a КАМАЗ truck and several automobiles, containing 50 men in camo.
    Without any warnings or preliminary niceties, they simply opened fire on everything inside the complex.
    There is a cell-phone vid taken by one of the insurgents sneaking up to the base,

  12. yalensis says:

    Meanwhile, there are strong rumors of tension brewing between Yats (aka “Veruca Salt” aka “It’s MY Crimea! I want the WHOLE WORLD, and I want it NOW!!!”) and Igor (“Does this yarmulka make me look too Jewish?”) Kolomoisky.

    Apparently, all the gossippy wagging tongues say that Veruca wants to sack 3 of the Kiev-appointed regional governors:

    (1) Kolomoisky (=Dnipropetrovsk)
    (2) Taruta (=Donetsk)
    (3) Palitsa (=Odessa)

    So, when time comes for junta to re-appoint Governors, above 3 guys will walk into their offices and find somebody else sitting behind their big executive desks, and somebody else’s photos of wife and kiddies hanging on the wall..

    All 3 of these Govs have distinguished themselves in the past few months by becoming so distasteful in their psychopathy that even the Europeans can’t stand them. Sort of like, it was okay when Caligula was simply raping the wives of Roman Senators, but when he started sleeping with his own horse, that was too much even for them.

    So, is seriously looking like these 3 psychos will be relieved of their posts.
    On the other hand, Kolomoisky has made it crystal clear that he will NOT go gentle into that good night.
    Not without a fight.
    And raging, raging, against the dying of the light.

    In other words, Igor says he will not obey Poroshenko’s orders any more. He is in open rebellion,slash temper tantrum.

    Not only that, I read in another piece, of which I forgot the link, that Kolo wants to have his territory (of Dnipropetrovsk) expanded geographically. Like a good warlord, Igor craves more territoroy.


    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,

    I know what Mark will say:
    Why does every story always have to be about the gays?

  13. Al says:

    Reuters: Analysis – Ukraine crisis forces U.S. to bolster Europe forces
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/20/uk-usa-security-europe-analysis-idUKKBN0EV2JI20140620

    “…In November, U.S. Air Force General Philip Breedlove, the head of the U.S. European Command, said the force had been told to prepare cuts of up to 20 percent, twice that of some other regions, although a congressional budget deal the following month watered down the cuts in the military as a whole. …”

    -20% – That’s the real deal and it will still happen in future. You giveth with one hand ($1billion in military aid), but you taketh elsewhere.

    &

    The Hill: Talks ‘intensifying’ on new Russia sanctions, administration says
    http://thehill.com/policy/international/210056-talks-intensifying-on-new-russia-sanctions-administration-says

    “…The U.S. is confident that Russia last week sent tanks and rocket launchers across the Ukrainian border, the official said, and has evidence that additional tanks, fuel trucks, and support vehicles may be on their way.

    The official noted that social media accounts portrayed “new shipments of tanks and heavy artillery across the border just in the last 24 hours,” and that U.S. intelligence had confirmed that tanks had departed a deployment site in southwest Russia…”

    So much blah blah. Exactly what is taking them so long to come up with sanctions all this time? It’s just PR fluff. Notice also the weasel word ‘confident’ as opposed to ‘has sent’ and in the second paragraphy only confirms that “tanks had departed”? They’ve not provided any evidence but some information that the reader is left to join the dots. Very far from categorical.

    &
    Reuters: In parts of east Ukraine, a daily struggle to survive
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/20/us-urkaine-crisis-disaster-idUSKBN0EV1K320140620

    I guess they finally got around to reporting something of worth rather than rehashing Kiev and Western press releases.

    &
    Reuters: NATO unlikely to grant Georgia step to membership: diplomats
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/20/us-nato-georgia-idUSKBN0EV1HZ20140620

    “…Some allies oppose granting Georgia MAP membership, fearing it could provoke Russian retaliation, whereas others say it would look as if NATO was bowing to Russian pressure if it did not. One NATO diplomat said the alliance was split 50:50 – and therefore far from required consensus….”

    So outside the loud chest beating of Fog Rasmussen, the reality within NATO is somewhat different. Speaking of which, I was listening to the BBC World Service last night and it reported that Rasmussen claims that Russia had infiltrated western environmental groups to stop fracking in the West. The BBC reporter put these allegations to Greenpeace’s spokesman who pointed out that Greenpeace had been detained by Russia and why would it be cooperating? He also asked for proof. The BBC reported said “Well Rasmussend is regarded as reliable and he wouldn’t have said it if there wasn’t evidence”!!! What a dickwit. The reported ended by saying the BBC asked NATO for confirmation and the reply came back that “these were the words of Anders Fog Rasmussen speaking in a personal capacity”.

    &

    Reuters: Estonia PM calls for permanent NATO presence as bulwark to Russia
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/20/us-estonia-nato-idUSKBN0EV18K20140620

    “(Reuters) – Estonian Prime Minister Taavi Roivas urged NATO on Friday to establish a permanent presence in the Baltic state in response to Russia’s actions in Ukraine, telling his allies to “open your eyes and stay awake”….

    …But some NATO allies argue that permanent basing of large numbers of troops in the east is too expensive, not a military necessity and needlessly provocative to Moscow…”

    What they didn’t mention was that such permanent basing would breach the 1994 Conventional Forces Treaty which limits the numbers of troops and equipment, though NATO has claimed in the past that Russia has breached it already.

    We see from the last two articles that a lot of members of NATO a) simply do not want to be drawn in to a permanent confrontation with Russia; b) they will not pay for it, and neither will the US. The current ‘confrontation’ will start to cost serious money for Europeans who are trying to control their defense budgets because of the dire situation of their economies. Even the much vaunted new British aircraft carriers may be mothballed once completed until defense expenditure is bumped up.

    A thought on the so-called cease-fire. I would hazard a guess and say that is far more likely that the Uke army needs some resupply, R&R, troop rotation. If what they are saying is true, then they have expended significant resources already.

  14. kirill says:

    http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/1980-opolchency-vyvodyat-iz-stroya-protivovozdushnuyu-oboronu-ukrainskoy-armii.html

    Rebels have taken out anti-aircraft installations at Avdeevka. This is interesting as the rebels do not have an air force, but Russia does. I hope the rebels clear the way for a Russian punitive air strike on regime suppression forces.

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1403353267

    According to Strelkov regime forces are in a frenzy of preparations for some sort of assault. They are continuously shipping in mines and shells to their positions on mount Karchun and elsewhere. Seems like some final push is being prepared. Perhaps the regime is feeling that time is running out.

  15. yalensis says:

    Interesting:
    This animated video presentation was prepared by a company called “Avtodor”, it appears they have received a contract to build a bridge across the Kerchensk Straight, connecting Crimea to Russian mainland.
    The entire artery will be 19 km in length. There will be a road with 4 lanes (2 in each direction) for automobiles, plus a special lane for trains.
    There are estimates the project could cost up to 350 billion rubles – wow!

    • Jen says:

      Very beautiful presentation by Avtodor. It’s my understanding though that Avtodor is the government company responsible for overseeing the bridge construction and has issued tenders for the engineering survey.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_Bridge

      According to this ITAR-TASS report, the project may be undertaken by a Chinese construction company with investment from China International Fund Ltd:
      http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/730446

    • ucgsblog says:

      “Vse v avtodor!” – Ostap Bender, Zolotoy Telenok

      • yalensis says:

        OMG!
        I’m supposed to be the literature major, how did I miss that glaring allusion?
        — Все в Автодор! — поспешно сказал он, глядя на поравнявшегося с ним Остапа. — Наладим серийное производство советских автомашин. Железный конь идет на смену крестьянской лошадке.

        P.S. If this bridge is for real, and not some sick literary joke, then I am glad the Chinese are going to build it. It will give them a stake in the Crimean game, so to speak.

        One of the commenters to above video did raise a valid point: Make sure, when building the bridge, that there is some part of the bridge that is high enough to allow boats to pass underneath.
        (Since it is not going to be a drawbridge, as far as I can tell.)

        That would have been an oopsie if they spent all that $$$ to build it, and then boats were not able to get through.

        • Drutten says:

          The Kerch strait is incredibly shallow and normal ships wouldn’t be able to pass it at all if it weren’t for the centrally dug canal, which runs like a slightly deeper trench in the middle of it. Here’s a nautical chart showing it pretty clearly:
          http://www.nauticalchartsonline.com/chart/zoom?chart=55205

          The Sea of Azov is also incredibly shallow all over, which limits/prohibits any large scale shipping up there anyway.

          I’m fairly sure they’re planning on providing additional height clearance right where this canal is, but there is absolutely no need of overdoing it.

            • Drutten says:

              Yep, there is also talk of simply digging a new canal through the Temryuksky peninsula, which would then be crossed by much shorter but taller bridges (or a few drawbridges).

              Spontaneously it’d occur to me as a rather inelegant solution, since it should be much simpler to incorporate a viable shipping passage in the strait bridge from the get go, but then again I’d imagine it being cheaper to dig on land than in water in case they want to get a deeper or wider passage or something.

              At any rate, I’m sure they got it covered. Russia has really excelled lately in bridge building by the way, from the two epic landmark bridges in Vladivostok (one of which holds the current world record for longest cable-suspended span) to the ridiculously massive projects in St. Petersburg that provided direct land access to Kotlin/Kronshtadt (both ways) and the massive Western Rapid Diameter highway that covers the entire SpB waterfront with a very long viaduct and numerous large bridges. Not to mention the numerous bridges across Siberian rivers, such as the Ob and the recent Sino-Russian Amur bridge project. Yeah, speaking of that, China hasn’t exactly been on the lazy side as far as bridges goes either, and with several joint Sino-Russian projects already active and going strong I’m sure they can get this Kerch thing done with ease too.

  16. yalensis says:

    Ukrainian border guard explains to Russian TV crew how he ended up in Russia:
    Insurgents of Luhansk People’s Army chased him (and a hundred others just like him) across the border INTO RUSSIA (!)
    Nobody died in the clash, but several Ukrainian soldiers were wounded, and are being treated in a Russian hospital in Rostov.
    This guy says he wants to return to his home in Kharkiv, but is that even possible now?
    He seems kind of confused.

  17. kirill says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gL_H4puL_tU

    100 km from Lugansk according to the guy filming the train. Rasmussen will have a coronary.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k12HoCfnP2M

    More redeployment.

  18. Southerncross says:

    Sweet. I’m guessing these beauties aren’t there to manage refugee flows.

  19. Jen says:

    Has anyone been able to see this news? Google keeps cache-ing all search engine references. This is from ITAR-TASS:

    Ukraine may lose $100 bln in 2015-2018 if it severs cooperation with Russia, Customs Union

    World June 21, 3:39 UTC+4
    Experts however say the most adverse effects of such shock scenario would be felt for about two first years – in 2015 and 2016

    MOSCOW, June 21, /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine may lose about $100 billion within a period from 2015 to 2018 if it severs cooperation ties with the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan after reorienting towards the European Union, the Committee of Civil Initiatives said in a report entitled “The Dead-end of the Struggle of Integration Drives in Europe.”

    According to experts, the most vulnerable to losses might be Ukrainian exports to Russia and other Customs Union countries, with an estimated loss of $14.3-15.3 billion. dollars a year. Apart from that, this shock scenario would include deterioration in trade and economic relations between Ukraine and the Customs Union countries and a slump in cash proceeds from labour migration, where losses are estimated at seven to eight billion U.S. dollars a year.

    Moreover, Ukraine will run a risk of having to buy Russian gas at higher prices [an annual loss of 2.2-3.7 billion U.S. dollars], a risk of being short of Russian investments to a sum of about $2 billion a year, a risk of Russians’ refraining from trips to Ukraine ($1.5-1.6 billion), and a risk of scaling down of cooperation between Russian and Ukrainian freight operators (an estimated loss of $0.4 billion)

    Experts however say the most adverse effects of such shock scenario would be felt for about two first years – in 2015 and 2016, with subsequent normalization of relations in 2017 and 2018.

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/737159

    • Southerncross says:

      Which is to say that there will be no economy left by that point, and Ukraine will be able to stick it to Moldova by triumphantly claiming the title of ‘poorest country in Europe’.

      • marknesop says:

        This theory – and I would point out here how very, very often economic forecasters have been completely wrong, so that the actual situation might not be anywhere near as bad or a great deal worse – also relies heavily on normalization of relations after two years, Russia having had a sufficient time to lick its wounds that it is willing to pick up the Ukrainian markets again. Two years of sulking by Russia, in other words, after which it will be willing to stop being childish.

        I’m sure I don’t have to highlight for readers how very often also western analysts have been dismissive of what in the end is national will, and not just a whim or some politician snapping his fingers. To top it off, Russia will at that point be just about to commence its gas deliveries to China, and with closer ties between the two countries may well not even need Ukraine’s markets. Meanwhile, the hateful relationship inspired between Russia and Ukraine by the west’s urging and prodding will have put paid to any notion of doing something altruistic to help brother Slavs. But when the full effect is felt, the country that is driving this is too far away for Ukrainians to do anything about it but rage helplessly. This effect will be magnified if some of the east does manage to achieve some sort of independence, and carries on normal trade with Russia.

        People need to realize that the west has mastered the politics of divide and conquer, and no longer – ever – uses altruism to bring about political change. It is pure self-interest that drives it now, and it has evolved into the single most socially-destructive force on the planet. Russia would be wise to continue its new policy of distancing itself from the west to the extent it is possible and of never again trusting it or becoming dependent on it in any way.

      • cartman says:

        At first it sounds like Yats and Poroshenko are being quite successful at closing the trade gap. Of course, this probably indicates a complete collapse of spending by Ukrainians. I don’t know how they could even afford to waste all of those eggs on the Russian embassy.

        • kirill says:

          Since Ukrainian exports are not surging but contracting, the above indicates that Ukraine has reduced consumption of foreign goods and services OVER $2.84 billion during Jan-April. The figure is probably around $4-5 billion. This is around $15 billion for the whole year (there is some seasonality which I will ignore). A big chunk of this consumption contraction is from primary industries so there are economic multiplier effects. I guess the hit on Ukraine’s economy is somewhere $20-30 billion for 2014. But Ukraine’s economy was still functioning in January and February. We have to wait for the May-July figures which will be worse.

        • marknesop says:

          I agree; it simply reflects that in that period, Ukraine sold more than it bought. Is that surprising, considering it has no money except for handouts, and most of those were predesignated for spending for political purposes?

    • kirill says:

      $100 billion over 3 years is $33 billion per year. That is about 10% of Ukraine’s GDP. I think it is rather clear that this number is unrealistically low. Ukraine would lose this much GDP just from the trajectory it was on in 2013 with all trade links intact. I see that they claim that Ukraine only exported about $15 billion to Russia and the other Customs Union countries. Since Ukraine exported $71 billion in 2013 (according to wikipedia, it was less according to the article below) that is under 20%. This number is total BS and the actual number is closer to 35-40%.

      http://en.info-kmu.com.ua/2014-02-14-000000pm/article/6031225.html

  20. Al says:

    Itar-Tass via Slashdot:
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/06/21/0033252/russia-wants-to-replace-us-computer-chips-with-local-processors
    “…”The Baikal micro processor will be designed by a unit of T-Platforms, a producer of supercomputers, next year, with support from state defense conglomerate Rostec and co-financing by state-run technological giant Rosnano. The first products will be Baikal M and M/S chips, designed on the basis of 64-bit nucleus Cortex A-57 made by UK company ARM, with frequency of 2 gigahertz for personal computers and micro servers.” …”
    —-

    A very sensible strategy. You lisense the IP, make and modify the chips yourself. No backdoors or supply problem.

    &

    BBC: China signs £14bn trade deals with UK amid Premier’s visit
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27882954

    “The oil giant will supply its Chinese peer with liquefied natural gas (LNG), BP chief executive Bob Dudley said at a conference in Moscow.”
    —-

    Just look at the picture of laughing boy Cameron! For all the British bluster, it is BP, a British company with the USA’s new enemy, China, and BP’s executive spending serious time in Moscow. It’s called a multipolar world. The West is still trying to have its cake and eat it.

    • yalensis says:

      Chinese guy is laughing his head off even more so than Cameron!

    • kirill says:

      AMD is also using this ARM architecture for low power server chips. But these are not really useful for floating point intensive calculations. They do not even give specfp benchmark results and just focus on integer. These sorts of CPUs are useful for certain business transaction processing and databases but not for engineering and science. Russia is on track to develop the Elbrus CPU into a viable processor for floating point intensive applications.

  21. yalensis says:

    This video is interesting on several different levels.

    It is a program on Ukrainian television called “Abzats”, and the interviewer Ekaterina Morozova, is clearly a very attractive and well-spoken young woman who presented this package from her interview with Donbass refugees in Kharkiv. The refugees seem to be mainly from Slav’ansk, almost all women and children, and are being housed and fed in some kind of reasonably furnished shelter.

    Points of interest:
    (1) When she went to interview the refugees, Ekaterina seems to have been expecting them to relate horror stories about the “Russian terrorists” oppressed them, forcing them to flee West to Mother Ukraine. [yalensis note: Most of the Donbass refugees end up fleeing to Russia; bu some flee West instead, primarily to Kharkiv and Odessa]

    (2) Instead of blasting the “terrorists”, the refugees openly tell Ekaterina that they support the insurgency, hope the rebels (who are their husbands and sons) win, and are just biding their time until they can return home to rejoin the victorious Donetsk Peoples Republic.

    (3) Ekaterina is clearly upset and outraged by what she hears. To her credit, as a journalist, she doesn’t spin or suppress this testimony. However, she does get angry and spiteful. Her spite makes her less physically attractive. She turns into the Ukrainian nationalist caricature (“suitcase – train – Moscow”). She starts to begrudge why these women and children are being fed decent food. There are scenes of women and children lapping up expensive milk, the implication is, why should they feast when Ukrainian children are starving? How dare these traitors accept nourishment from the same Ukrainian government that they wish to overthrow? She questions, Why the hell did these people come here, to Kharkiv, why didn’t they just flee to Mosow?

    [yalensis: ooooh ooooh, I can answer that question! There are several reasons: First, Russia does not necessarily accept ALL refugees, some are being turned back at the border; secondly, in the chaos of evacuating Slav’ansk, women and children were just piled onto buses and taken wherever the buses were going, in other words, there was a certain randomness to their fate, and who ended up where; thirdly, some of them might have explicitly chosen to go West, they may have had relatives in the area of the refugee center; plus, it might have just been easier for some of them to stay in Ukraine, since they all have Ukrainian passports anyhow.]

    As to the other issue Ekaterina raises: If these people hate Ukraine so much, then why are they taking food out of our mouths?
    One of the commenters noted that Banderites all think alike: They sold out their entire country to the USA for a handful of cookies. Hence, they expect Donbass people to sell out their birthright for a bottle of orange juice. They expected them to PRETEND to love Ukraine, in order to get the food that their children needed.

    • Southerncross says:

      Morozov. Sounds very Ukrainian – like that security flak named ‘Moskali’.

      You’d think her name might give her pause for thought on the ‘slava Ukraini’ crap. Apparently not. Well, Northern Ireland had a Red Hand terrorist named Lenny Murphy – some people are just very confused and unpleasant I guess.

      Or maybe it’s the ghost of dead little Pavlik of the same name at work.

      • There are – unfortunately – many ethnic Russians among the Ukrainian nationalists. This is largely a brother vs. brother war. The only one who benefits is the United States. They got Eastern Slavs killing each other.

        • marknesop says:

          Not to mention pumped up the hatred of the western Ukrainians for Russia to the point it looks to the world as if all of Ukraine loathes Russia except a couple of outlier provinces which are right up against it, and got plenty of mileage in the news on the “apartheid wall” between Ukraine and Russia, which will not likely ever happen. The USA has successfully managed to make it appear all of Ukraine is champing at the bit to be part of the EU except for that little bit of the east, which is holding the rest back, and get ready for a big victory dance when PoroChocco signs the EU Association agreement and lots of talk about good fight, Russia, but you lost and now Ukraine is free, time to withdraw your special forces and let Ukraine go in peace to the smashing success which awaits it.

      • Johan Meyer says:

        A quick linguistic comment: If the husband is Moroziv, the wife will be Morozova. Compare vin-vona with on-ona (won-wona in south Russian?)—he/she.

        As to the person, надію що вона замерзає к бісу… (замерзає is derived from moroz…)

    • kirill says:

      You see here a sample of the retardation that afflicts nationalists. They cannot distinguish between respect for country and respect for regime trying to run the country. I have experienced this sort of retard-think in Canada as well when I criticized NATO actions in former Yugoslavia. Everyone has to goosestep in unison!

      It does not cross her mind, if she is actually honest, that perhaps the people of the Donbass have legitimate reasons to rebel. Instead the usual tin foil hat self-delusion kicks in where it is all GRU/Russia/space aliens stirring up trouble. Perhaps Morozova should really do something useful for her beloved country and investigate the methods of the Right Sector to “motivate” soldiers to fight for the regime.

      But then any journalist who has a job in Ukraine must serve the interests of the regime so Morozova is just another mouthpiece, whether she realizes it or not.

  22. yalensis says:

    Further development of that story where the 80 Ukrainian border guards were chased across the border into Russia while engaging in combat against Insurgents.
    Today it was revealed that 15 out of these 80 have officially requested asylum in Russia. Their reason is that, if they return to Ukraine, they fear repression from Right Sektor.
    This is a reasonable fear. There have been many reports of Right Sektor commissars executing Ukrainian soldiers who lost a battle, or lost equipment (like those guys who left an APC behind on the Russian border). Just losing a battle is considered to be the equivalent of treason; and ending up on the wrong side of the border accidentally is seen as desertion, in the minds of the Right Sektor fanatics.

    • Southerncross says:

      Apparently this doesn’t apply to Pravy goons. I don’t recall hearing about Semenchenko being executed after he got his Donbass battalion shredded near Gorlovka.

      • kirill says:

        Right Sector is running the show so they have a different set of rules applied. These “motivation” methods are straight out of the 1930s and the western media would have everyone believe it is some sort of modern EU democracy.

  23. yalensis says:

    Meanwhile, back in the Rzeczpospolita…

    Apparently there is this HUGE political scandal in Poland. It started last week, but I only heard about it today, while scanning Russian press .

    I then scanned Western MSM, to see if the story had been picked up, and I did find this piece from ABC.

    Not to bury the lede, but apparently, somebody in Poland has been hanging out in posh restaurants and secretly switching the gourmet coffee with a powdered decaf, I mean to say, taping private conversations of various Polish bigwigs who meet in the restaurant to plot nefarious deeds against the Polish people. In this case, central bank head Marek Belka and Interior Minister Bartlomiej Sienkiewicz were overheard plotting to buy the 2015 election.

    Next on the menu: Sikorski was overheard dissing the United States of America (how dare he!)
    :
    A Polish magazine said Sunday it has obtained recordings of a conversation in which Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski says the country’s strong alliance with the U.S. “isn’t worth anything” and is “even harmful because it creates a false sense of security.”

    In a short transcript of the conversation, a person identified as Sikorski by the magazine Wprost tells former finance minister, Jacek Rostowski, that Poles naively believe the U.S. bolsters their security. Using vulgar language, the person argues that such beliefs are nonsense, and that the Polish-U.S. alliance alienates the Russians and Germans.

    Not to bury the lede, but it says Sikorski was overheard to use vulgar language.
    I don’t know any Polish swear words, are they as bad as the Russian ones?

    • marknesop says:

      I imagine Sikorski swears when he imagines he is not being overheard just as he likely picks his nose when he thinks nobody can see him. But his comments on Poland’s relationship with the USA likely reflect a desire for permanent and significant basing of American military forces in Poland rather than a wish for Poland to be free of their influence. Still, I bet his wife still gave him a serious bollocking for being so careless as to have his remarks recorded. Annie is fond of staying on message all the time.

      • cartman says:

        His career is finished. He couldn’t get the NATO chief seat (which should be easy if they gave it to someone as dumb as Assmunchen) and he’s probably not going to be the EU’s foreign policy chief.

        • marknesop says:

          He’s a smart guy. But he has totally bought into the western way, which would require him to completely suspend his cynicism if he ever had any. And he’s ruthlessly ambitious, which hardly ever means a good leader.

    • moscowexile says:

      I worked with Poles for a long time down the pit back home: they were displaced persons at the end of WII I think. Anyway, they swore just like Russians. Their favourite word was “kurva”: it’s the same as “blyad'” [блядь] in Russian and used just as frequently in conversation as is the Russian favourite obscenity.

      I used to get fucking sick of hearing all their effing and blinding at work.

      • PvMikhail says:

        yeah…. “kurva” – it’s a western slavic swear-word, also frequent in Hungarian. It means prostitute, bitch, whore, twat, etc. For example: “Kurva anyád!” = literally “Your mother is a bitch/whore”, freely “You’re son of a bitch”

  24. patient observer says:

    Interesting NYT piece on the role of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in fanning Ukrainian nationalists as well as revolt in that church.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/22/world/europe/ukrainian-church-faces-obscure-pro-russia-revolt-in-its-own-ranks.html?_r=0

    • marknesop says:

      Typical Andrew Higgins; it’s a Russian plot, and the “political operation” is “curiously well-funded”. If he knows how much money they have then it should be pretty simple to figure out where it came from, and the idea of Moscow covertly funding pro-Russian clerics in western Ukraine is pretty stupid on its face – you might as well paint targets on their foreheads, and you can be sure Right Sektor would rub them out if it had the slightest excuse. But Higgins has never let the manifest stupidity of what he says stop him from saying it again and again.

      • cartman says:

        He’s probably someone who says that the Russian Orthodox Church is too close to the state. But here it is okay to have religious nationalism, even though the Catholic Church is hardly in a position to claim who is an who isn’t a proper Ukrainian.

    • Jen says:

      There’s been an incident in Lidcombe in western Sydney in which a Ukrainian Catholic Church was spray-painted in blue and yellow graffiti attacking the Poroshenko regime. So far the police don’t appear to have any leads on who did it (or they’re not saying if they do) and the incident is being reported on Australian media as “racial vilification” and “hate speech”.
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-21/swastikas-graffitied-on-side-of-ukranian-church-in-sydney/5540968

      The incident has occurred at about the same time that the Federal govt is considering changing racial discrimination laws and downgrading some of the laws relating to offensive and insulting actions while at the same time the New South Wales govt is considering the results of a parliamentary inquiry that recommends toughening racial vilification laws. It may be no coincidence that the graffiti attack happened when it did.
      http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/ukrainian-catholic-church-in-western-sydney-desecrated-with-swastika-graffiti-20140621-zsheb.html

  25. Al says:

    RiaNovosti: Russian Paratroopers Receive Newest Verba Shoulder-Fired Missiles
    http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140530/190242026/Russian-Paratroopers-Receive-Newest-Verba-Shoulder-Fired.html

    “…The systems automatically provide information on the air environment, fix the target and command a strike against the target within several seconds. “This gives time to an AA sniper armed with the Verba MANPADS to prepare for the meeting and hit the target beforehand,” he said…”

    A networked MANPAD? Why am I surprised? It makes sense.

    • marknesop says:

      As the article points out, it also saves ammunition, because it will not let an operator fire on a target which is out of range or does not meet engagement geometry. That suggests that warning from missiles that will not hit is going to be decreased significantly and that by the time a pilot detects a launch it is likely only prompt deployment of countermeasures and correct evasive maneuvers that have a chance of saving him/her.

  26. A pro-Russian rally was held today in Kharkov. Nice to see that there still are people in Kharkov not afraid of Right Sector and other junta thugs. The only downside is that most of the people taking part of that rally seem to be old people. Nothing against old people, but young people make revolutions and armed resistance.

  27. Moscow Exile says:

    I suggest that those who advocate Russian intervention in East Ukraine and whose hearts allegedly bleed because of the infamous way in which Russia is treated by the “International Community” peruse this.

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