Sacre Bleu! What’s Happening With The MISTRAL Ship “VLADIVOSTOK”?

Uncle Volodya says, "Nothing is so good for the morale of the troops as occasionally to see a dead General.”

Uncle Volodya says, “Nothing is so good for the morale of the troops as occasionally to see a dead General.”

Alert Internet followers of this subject – and it has its own dedicated community, both for and against – noticed almost immediately when the MMSI (Maritime Mobile Service Identity) assignment changed from “France” to “Russia”, and the resulting speculation was instantaneous and explosive.

The “for” community was jubilant but restrained, considering this is only the expected outcome – the contract was signed in completely legal circumstances, and in fact was once touted as Russia finally making the right moves, by breaking away from its practice of purchasing state-supplied, obsolescent-on-delivery, technically-outclassed junk. More recently, the issue has become a bone growled over by the United States, which sees forestalling the delivery as a badly-needed political victory for Obama and America, whose image as a dispassionate button-pusher who can make anything happen, anywhere has suffered many dents of late. For that reason, the “against” community was incandescent with fury.

For its part, DCNS (Direction des Constructions Navales), owner of the St-Nazaire yard which built VLADIVOSTOK, was quick to deny any significance in switching the French identifier for the Russian, announcing that it was simply a required step in the Airworthiness test. This is probably true, but it has done little to calm the passions of those who believe the ships Russia legally contracted for, fulfilling its part of the bargain in every respect, should be withheld to “teach Putin a lesson”, although the “evidence” of Russian “meddling” in Ukraine has thus far turned out to be fabricated to an increasingly ridiculous degree, so much so that the Ukrainian NSDC Council recently reported an advancing column of its own armor and artillery as Russian.

vlad-003The U.S. State Department reportedly is grinding the French government under its thumb, pressuring it daily not to crack, and insisting it withhold delivery of the VLADIVOSTOK and its sister ship, and proposing wild alternatives such as NATO purchasing the ships for its own use. My, yes – that’d be a great deal for France, wouldn’t it? It could collect payment from NATO – maybe – in one hand and pay most of the money out with the other in return of advances from Russia and penalties for breach of contract. NATO would get two ships specifically designed for the Russian navy which would require extensive and expensive retrofitting to make them operable by NATO. I guess when you cling to the illusion that you have unlimited spending money – thanks to holding the world’s reserve fiat currency – your financial common sense turns to goo and seeps out your ear into your pillow while you are sleeping.

The whole farce is neatly encapsulated in a comedic piece at Yahoo, in which France’s Prime Minister squeaks pathetically that France “will not be dictated to” following Russia’s warning that it will claim compensation if France fails to complete delivery by the due date. Parody follows comedy as the article announces Moscow’s intent in asking for the merchandise it contracted and paid for is to “drive a wedge between Paris and its allies”, and that it does this knowing France’s failure to deliver the ships could damage its reputation. For shame, Moskali!!

Yes, Moscow should have a care for France’s image – after all, France has always been a stalwart guarantor of Russia’s image in the past. Turnabout is just fair play, and careful is as careful does. Insert favourite Forrest Gumpism here.

After signing a contract in which it presumably, as the supplier, factored in all time requirements to take the initial vessel from concept to reality and agreed upon a realistic delivery date – after it is crystal clear that the contracted-for vessel is complete to the last rivet and cable tie and that it is only outside influence from the American State Department (fast shaping up as a villain for the ages) that prevents the completion of the transaction and that its reasons for so doing are purely political and based on fabricated evidence – France now feels it is hard done by because its customer demands it fulfill its part of the bargain. To what a degraded and debauched system of values has the west come round in the end; one wonders how much lower we can sink. And how far away rock bottom might lie.


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355 Responses to Sacre Bleu! What’s Happening With The MISTRAL Ship “VLADIVOSTOK”?

  1. Warren says:

  2. et Al says:

    Russia: Other Points of View Sitrep:

    From a link on the weapons deal (even if it is Iranian):

    “Moscow and Beijing are also expected to work together in the field of military technology, which includes building S-400 long-range anti-aircraft missiles, 117S large thrust engines [my emphasis], IL-476 large transport aircraft and IL-78 aerial tankers, according to the report. ”

    That’s one serious poke in the eye for the US if China buys/license builds them and uses them in their new fleets of aircraft. Jet engines are China’s weakest link in their military chain. This would significantly extend China’s air defense boundary, significantly extend the range and performance of its aircraft and push the US further back, increasing the risk for US operations on China’s doorstep. As usual, the Russians are weary of being burnt by being ripped off, the J10-B being made from a copy of a prototype naval Flanker from the Ukraine (amongst other rip-offs).

    • et Al says:

      See the twitter exchange between Adomanis, Oliver Bullough and Daniel Sanford.

      Sandford’ of the BBC’s comment:

      “@MarkAdomanis @OliverBullough My advice? Stop reporting Russia using numbers. More than anywhere Russia is about people.”

      When I wrote a few days ago that the BBC doesn’t do news, what better proof is there?

      • Fern says:

        In the UK, there used to be a programme called ‘Drop the Dead Donkey’ satirising media and the line “My advice? Stop reporting Russia using numbers” sounds like it came straight from one of the show’s scripts. Facts don’t matter, this is Russia we’re talking about.

        On a media-related note, we (in the UK) may be playing unwilling host to Pussy Riot, but Moscow is having to endure the BBC’s John Simpson who, while spouting his usual crap, had a bit of a comeuppance at the hands of veterans of the Great Patriotic War. Simpson planned on asking them their opinions on events in Ukraine and Russia’s alleged military intervention there – the old guys refused to take part, stating that whatever they said would be ‘used by western propaganda’. Simpson seemed somewhat taken aback.

        • marknesop says:

          I agree – that “Russia is about people” statement ranks among the most numbingly stupid we have heard from the press of late. What does he think the numbers represent? What they mean is “your statistics are totally wrecking my narrative of a desperate and drunken population sliding down the pole of life expectancy, and dwindling toward extinction. Please use a parameter I can argue with.”

          • Moscow Exile says:

            I have a book buried in the loft at my sister’s together with others of my abandoned Russian library in England; a book published in the USA in the ’90s, packed with statistics about the USSR from its beginnings until the present time, which was, in fact, though nobody realized it then, the period of its imminent demise; a large, well bound hardback book, full of charts and illustrations; a mine of information. On the page following the front fly leaf of this book was printed this stern admonition to the reader:

            Warning! Soviet statistics are notoriously unreliable.

            So why go to the trouble of publishing them?

            I suppose it was because presenting statistics of the USSR as being at the very least dubious, if not outrightly mendacious, was all part of the “narrative”.

      • Jen says:

        Sandford’s way of telling Mark Adomanis not to quote facts but instead to rely on biased anecdotes, rumour and talking with other Western correspondents of like mind as the BBC and the NYT as Masha Gessen does.

      • ucgsblog says:

        Yeah, let’s stop living in this thing called reality, and live in a place where everything is open to interpretation!


        And guess what, islands can capsize too:

        Now you might say that islands by definition cannot capsize, but who the heck are you to defy islands their true self identification? If an island wants to self identify as “capsizing”, we should respect that! Fight for the freedom of islands to capsize!

  3. et Al says:

    A splatter of Russia related stories for the weekend.

    First up, simply because it is about Tetris, the second because it is a great story and says something about the man despite the system (which almost always wins and does in this case too). The Man who Made Tetris Curiosity, Luck, and the Flip of a Switch Saved the Moon Program

    The Moscow Times: Expert Says Russia, China and U.S. All Working on ‘Satellite Killers’
    And on capability Russia is not ahead of the pack. Indeed, Earth’s orbit has seen plenty of potential satellite killers: “A tiny British satellite attempted such a feat and almost succeeded in the summer of 2000. The U.S. performed such maneuvers at least twice [since then]. And China performed at least three such missions in the last four years,” said Igor Lissov, editor of Novosti Kosmonavtiki, a popular Russian space journal.

    Which reminded me about James Oberg who I discovered a few years ago. He is really excellent on space stuff.

    How I Stopped Cosmonauts From Carrying Guns – by James Oberg

    Space Daily: Russia studies construction of its own orbital station
    Russia’s federal space agency Roscosmos is studying several options of creating a brand-new Russian orbital station, which could replace the International Space Station (ISS), deputy chief of Roscosmos Denis Lyskov said Monday.

    “We are looking into various options, while building an orbital station as a substitute for ISS is one of them,” Lyskov said without giving any further details.

    Ok, this makes sense as in ‘what happens after 2024’ but it is billions upon billions upon billions. This is not Monopoly (TM) money. I would have preferred a joining Russia-China space station that other nations would have to beg to join as the US is certainly not going to be the main mover in an ISS replacement project.

    Moscow Times: Russia’s Energomash Dreams Up Reusable Rocket Engine Design /b>
    Energomash has devised a novel, albeit limited, solution to the problem of returning rocket parts safely to earth. The company proposes housing its RD-191 engine in a capsule attached to the bottom of Russia’s Angara rockets. After the engine has exhausted its fuel, the capsule will detach and fall back to earth, protected by a heat shield on one side.
    Clever, but I don’t see how this will fly (pun intended). Launch price is the key point and companies like SpaceX promise significant savings on legacy launch providers. Even for the predicted 2.5% penalty (predicted – lolz) what about the cost of development and testing etc.?? OTOH, if anyone can do it, it would be Russian space engineers. They are hardcore.

    Nighty night!

  4. marknesop says:

    Kiev is certainly getting its money’s worth (ha, ha, that was a little joke, its money is worth nothing, but you know what I mean) out of that CIA/State Department cell in the city. As far as UIkrainians are concerned, they are angry not that the killings of the “Heavenly Hundred” are unresolved – they know perfectly well who did it – but that Viktor Yanukovych was able to get away after his busy couple of days on the roof.

    Therefore the hapless bunch of incompetent liars that makes up the sort-of country’s judicial and investigative organizations feels perfectly safe in announcing their investigations were successful in finding the guilty parties, but – so sorry – they cannot be punished because they have all fled.

    Oh, there’s one you’re going to want to watch out for the commemorative T-Shirt for – they’re now calling the Maidan protests “The Revolution Of Dignity”. Maybe it will include a picture of that protester taking a poop on the sidewalk because there were no toilets. That would just about symbolize the dignity of it all, in my opinion.

    I guess when Batkivschyna Deputy Pashinsky was discovered to be hiding a sniper rifle in its case in the trunk of his car – on the Maidan – he was just holding it for Yanukovych while he went to get coffee or something: running around on the roof all night shooting people tends to make you sleepy. Apparently it was not held against him by the current “leaders”, as I don’t see him among the listed villains.

    The really maddening thing is that this is probably the version that will be written into the history books. Even if Ukraine falls flat on its face, as it is well on its way to doing, the western democracies are never going to want the part they played in this to be exposed. So future generations will learn that the perfidious Yanukovych and his heads of security and law enforcement conspired to shoot students and other protesters from rooftops, and the guilty will go free.

    • kirill says:

      Killing thousands of civilians in the Donbas as well as thousands of green regime forces sent to the slaughter in cauldrons due to incompetent regime loyalist generals is a non issue compared to some obscure roof top shooting. Those will be mighty fine textbooks, worthy of toilet paper after the collapse. The west can make up whatever fantasy history it wants. Russians in Russia and the Donbas will know the truth. They will know it at the grass roots level and no amount of NATO propaganda will skew it.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Has anyone noticed how some of the Western narrative concerning the events in Kiev that began a year ago has now begun to describe the events in the Ukraine as “a struggle for democracy”, which description suggests that the “peaceful protest” on the Maidan was the closing, successful stage of the Ukraine’s centuries long struggle to gain freedom from the Russian thralldom?

    • ucgsblog says:

      I disagree with that. Mass media tried controlling the Ossetian War narrative and fell flat on its face. Granted, when millions of pissed off Russians are out to expose your lies, it’s not going to go well for you. The Western pro-Yeltsin narrative also fell apart. And it’ll be Poroshenko who’ll be known as the president who lost Ukraine.

  5. kirill says:


    The Ukrainian government is considering additional income tax for individuals who work in foreign countries The rate will be about $500 per month for those who work in Russia (from 5 million to 7 million people, according to various estimates), and from $200 to $700 for those working in the EU, depending on the country (from 1 to 1.5 million people). The tax will be collected from those unable to officially confirm their presence in Ukraine in the event that the fiscal authority receives information about a person’s probable absence for more than 2 months from his place of residence. The new tax will tentatively bring no less than $15 billon to the budget, and possibly even up to $30 billion per year. According to Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, “it is totally unacceptable that such sums pass us by.”
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    If this is true, then it is a sure recipe for success.

    • cartman says:

      They need to add prostitution services to the GDP like Italy. That will soon be the only growth industry.

      • Fern says:

        cartman, from your key board to God’s ear. The linked article claims Kiev wants to legalise prostitution to ‘save’ the economy.

        • Jen says:

          The problem with legalising prostitution in order to “save” the economy is that if the only clients are local men, then legalised prostitution will actually be a drain on the economy. Local patronage of prostitutes would be represented in the national accounts as expenditure. For legalised prostitution to work in the way the Banderites want, it has to be part of a sex tourism industry targeting potential overseas clients. Their patronage will count as a capital inflow in the national accounts.

          The other option would be to export prostitutes overseas and tax their earnings or whatever is left of their earnings after the pimps and gang networks have taken their cut.

          I foresee a new role for the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade after its devolution: it can call itself the Ministry of Joy Divisions to handle the administration required to establish sex tourism offices and brothels around the country and overseas, and to tax overseas prostitution networks.

          Kraft durch Freude!

          • patient observer says:

            The numerous discussions that I and others had with AP highlighted the likely devolution of Ukraine’s society into exactly that – opportunities for young women mostly as prostitutes servicing Germans and young men as waiters, porters and general layabouts also servicing Germans.

            The next step in the Ukraine economic recover plan is to reduce the age of consent with a coordinated marketing campaign promoting Ukraine as a gay paradise for those with a preference for children as well as pedophiles of every type.

            Legalization of presently illegal drugs (or effective legalization by ceasing enforcement efforts) is a twofer – saving money on police and an boost to capital inflow.

            Certainly there should be a focus on creating a human organ trading exchange. Young kidneys for diabetics in the EU should be a thriving business.

            The western world would have have created another vibrant industry – human feedlots in which every part of the “animal” is put to use to maximize pleasure for Western elites and millions of wannabes.

            That is why the Russians, Serbs and others with open eyes must fight.

            • Jen says:

              There already is a thriving illegal organ transplant industry in Ukraine exporting kidneys to other countries (especially places where medical tourism helps to prop up hospitals and medical services) but the idea of an official trading scheme or stock exchange in human organs is a new one. So rich individuals, corporations and countries can bid for Ukrainian kidneys and the country can earn income that way. Although the income from that would be dwarfed by outflows of money once Banderite politicians start bidding for brain cells.

              The next step must be offering up people to pharmaceutical companies as guinea pigs to test new drugs and selling landlots to agribusiness to sow GMO crops.

    • marknesop says:

      Ha, ha!! That just about takes the cake for stupidity – I wonder if old Yatsie thought that one up himself! No Ukrainian who still maintains a residence in Ukraine but works in Russia is going to fork over $500.00 per month to the idiot government so that it can disappear into the pockets of oligarchs – and if anyone can show me a single thing the Ukies have spent money on besides war since the Revolution of Dignity (that just is never going to get old, I can feel it), I’ll be interested to see it – and will be far more likely to simply offload his property in Ukraine and move his family. But he might not even have to do that; since they don’t even know how many people that involves to within 2 million people, there’s a good chance he could just ignore it and get away with it. But what it is likely to ensure far more than an extra 15 Billion folding hryvnias every year – maybe 30 billion!!! – is further population drain to Russia, where there is work, and a continuing nosedive of the Ukrainian population.

      Dear God. The Kiev leadership must have learned governance from eBay. If they sucked any harder, they would create a black hole. This is the best Vicks Nuland could do for $5 Billion??

    • Fern says:

      A very large number, if the not the majority, of Ukrainians working in Russia are likely to be ‘remittance providers’, supporting families back home who, thanks to the remittances, have some purchasing power. So, Kiev taxing the earnings of those working abroad will reduce the amount of money available to send back, reduce the purchasing power of individuals, families and communities with the inevitable knock-on effects for the economy. It’s them old western values again, take money from the averagely paid joe and redistribute it to oligarchical government.

      Has Ukraine actually got a tax collection system that could cope with this?

      • Jen says:

        The simplest way I can see this harebrained idea working is if Kyiv required all remittances sent from abroad to be processed through a central bank or clearing-house scheme, probably through Privatbank or some other oligarch’s pet bank. This of course assumes that expats are paid their wages and salaries electronically and send their money electronically to their relatives. The onus would be on bank employees to report which accounts are receiving monies from abroad.

        Alternately Kyiv could demand that overseas banks report details of accounts they hold that belong to Ukrainian expat citizens. Result: overseas banks will simply refuse to open accounts for Ukrainian expats rather than undertake such an intrusive, ethically suspect and onerous bureaucratic task.

        What expats are likely to do is insist on being paid where possible in cash to spend on items like food, clothing, shoes or household goods to send to relatives back home in piecemeal fashion. They would probably anticipate the Ukie postal service being used by the government to monitor a sudden flood of imports of essential goods so they will bypass official channels. I predict there’ll be a thriving black market in imported goods.

        • yalensis says:

          If I were a Ukrainian ex-pat working in Russia (either legally or illegally) and supporting my relatives back home, what I would do is this:
          I would just do it the old-fashioned way, stuffing a bag full of rubles and either making the drive myself, to deliver the rubles to my relatives; or entrusting the bag to a very trusted friend who just happened to be driving back to the homeland. And just hoping against hope that the car doesn’t get stopped by Ukie police or national guard, on the search for money or contraband.
          (In which case, deliver the cash in small, reasonable increments, not like a big huge bag of cash.)

          • Moscow Exile says:

            “i>I would just do it the old-fashioned way, stuffing a bag full of rubles and either making the drive myself, to deliver the rubles to my relatives …”

            That’s what Timoshenko must have been doing here when she got picked up at the airport with her baggage (Lauren, I presume) stuffed with dosh. That was when she was the “Gas Princess”.

    • Jen says:

      Most brilliant idea yet to encourage expat Ukrainians to give up Ukrainian citizenship and become citizens of the country in which they work. Then, if the Kyivsters decide to punish the expats by taxing their relatives at home even more, and depending on the country where they work, the expat workers might try to get their families out under a family reunion immigration scheme. I can see Russia might be happy in the short term at least to accept Ukrainian immigration under a family reunion scheme but the EU countries would not be so similarly inclined because of their economic woes.

      • cartman says:

        I think the US is the only other country that requires citizens to pay taxes on foreign earnings. Most do not, so Washington released some extremely onerous (and expensive) legislation called FATCA that they are demanding foreign countries to comply with.

      • yalensis says:

        This is assuming that Russia is amenable to offering citizenship on an expedited manner to people caught in this trap. And they should be.
        Most Ukrainians would make very good Russian citizens, since they are hard working and already speak the language.

        • yalensis says:

          And P.S. – even the Gruzians knew better than to introduce such insane legislation.
          Even during the worst days of Russian-Gruzian hostility, Gruzians knew that their economy was highly dependent on Gruzian ex-pats working in Russia (either legally or illegally), and sending money back to the homeland, to help their families and relatives.

        • Marcos says:

          “since they are hard working and already speak the language”

          That’s pretty good, but there’s another huge advantage not mentioned here.

          • Jen says:

            You mean that a lot of these people leaving Ukraine have technological skills and experience (especially experience in opening and maintaining mines) that Russia needs?

            Plus in the long term they’ll make Mark Adomanis and his penchant for quoting numbers and statistics in his articles about Russian demographics look good, and the BBC and Daniel Sandford look bad.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Will Ukrainian hookers and lap-dancers be included? There are a lot of them about, you know, earning an honest crust in the Golden West. They’re a major Ukraine export commodity – the only one at present, in fact.

    • ucgsblog says:

      $500 per month? Per month? What the actual fuck? Those who are working in Russia do not make $6,000 a year. Ukraine’s going wild!

  6. Fern says:

    Coal mines for sale! Going cheap – buy one, get one free! Kiev has announced plans to privatise all mines in Ukraine by late 2016. Ones that haven’t been sold will be liquidated or ‘conserved’ – I’m not sure what’s meant by that latter term. By 2020,

    “… Ukrainian politicians are planning to make coal production self-sustaining, reduce state support for the industry to the minimum and stop financing modernization and technical retooling of the already existing mines and give up the construction of new ones.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      I’ll tell you this for nothing: you can’t “conserve” a coalmine.

      I regularly used to see suggestions off know-nothing Guardianistas that this be done or should have been done int he UK rather than shutting down the deep mining industry wholesale.

      A deep mine is almost a living thing in the sense that Mother Earth always strives to retrieve what has been taken from her. When regular maintenance (“strata control” is the technical term) is not undertaken on underground “roadways” (what those unknowledgeable about deep mines call “tunnels” or even “shafts”), coalfaces, ventilation, pumping etc., the place closes up: the “weight” comes on; the “warrant” (floor) lifts; the “roof” (the upper part of a roadway) falls, the whole place floods and becomes filled with firedamp (an explosive mixture of methane and air).

      In short, a coalmine is not a factory or a plant that can be mothballed, that can have its gates locked and be overlooked by a skeleton maintenance team until the enterprise become economically viable once more.

      The 918-yard-deep shafts of the coalmine where I worked were sunk in 1878 and there were over 80 miles of roadways there at various “horizons” (levels), the deepest being where I once worked at over 1,000 yards below the surface. The technical problems that mining engineers would face in attempting to re-open that colliery would be practically insurmountable, to say nothing of the costs. The place was closed in 1985 and the shafts filled and “capped” with massive concrete slabs and what now remain of its underground workings will now be “closed up, crushed by the huge geological forces released when the mine was abandoned, flooded, and “gassed out”.

      Talk of conserving deep mines is just so much bullshit, and I’m sure that Porky and his chums have been told so by the very competent mining engineers employed in the Donbas, which, by the way, was first developed by a British (Welsh, in fact) mining concern, that opened a mining school there.

      Here’s a picture of a “tailgate crush” – the “tailgate” is the roadway along which the “spent” air (full of “firedamp”) passes towards the shaft bottom and away from a coal face. The shaft bottom may be a mile or so away. This roadway has probably been left to get into such a state because the workings which it served are no longer being exploited. Nevertheless, such tailgates are still kept open so as to allow adequate ventilation in a mine.

      See how the “rings” – the steel-archway roadway roof supports are twisted and bent as though made of rubber?

      That roadway shown above, will probably now be as flat as a pancake – and very likely flooded as well.

      • Fern says:

        Moscow Exile, thank for that information. I’d always understood that once a mine was closed or abandoned, it was effectively lost. It’s hard to understand what the Kiev Crazies are thinking – or ben if they do – but I’d have thought they might have regarded Ukraine’s coal as a strategic asset and held back on the privatisation agenda.

      • et Al says:

        I think that’s the view you get when you look in to Yatsenyuk’s head with a microscope.

    • Jen says:

      Presumably shale oil and gas production will also have to be self-sustaining with Burisma Holdings, Shell, Chevron and other companies having to finance completely prospecting and identifying sites for fracking, drilling for oil and gas, ensuring their operations cause only very minimal pollution to the surrounding environment and groundwater supplies, and compensating local people for damage caused by their activities.

  7. Fern says:

    A very depressing article from James Petras who believes a major assault will shortly be launched on Donetsk and Lugansk by Kiev whose western sponsors either want to retake these areas or destroy them so effectively that the population is driven out and will never be able to return – both achieve the US/NATO goal of preventing the Donbas from acting as a buffer-zone between Russia and a now eternally hostile Ukraine.

    NATO is sending vast arms shipments to the Kiev junta, along with “Special Forces” advisers and counter-insurgency experts in anticipation of a full-scale attack against the rebels in the Donbas.
    The Kiev regime has never abided by the Minsk cease fire. According to the UN Human Rights office 13 people on average –mostly civilians –have been killed each day since the September cease fire. In eight weeks, the UN reports that 957 people have killed –overwhelmingly by Kiev’s armed forces.
    The Kiev regime, in turn, has cut all basic social and public services to the Peoples’ Republics’, including electricity, fuel, civil service salaries, pensions, medical supplies, salaries for teachers and medical workers, municipal workers wages; banking and transport have been blockaded.
    The strategy is to further strangle the economy, destroy the infrastructure, force an even greater mass exodus of destitute refugees from the densely populated cities across the border into Russia and then to launch massive air, missile, artillery and ground assaults on urban centers as well as rebel bases.

    I hope he’s wrong.

    • marknesop says:

      I hope he’s wrong.

      I think he is. NATO certainly would like to see Kiev “repatriate” the east to Ukraine, but if NATO is really sending vast arms shipments to Kiev, nobody else knows about it, and you know the Ukies cannot keep their mouths shut about anything. Heavy weapons such as tanks or artillery would be immediately spotted as NATO weaponry, and then the gloves would be off for sure – it is for this reason NATO has pressed for other eastern-European nations to supply Ukraine with tanks and APC’s and artillery that could have been Ukraine’s own stuff. Besides, as others have pointed out, Ukraine was until recently a weapons exporter – weapons are not their problem. Soldiers are their problem. The west might supply them with a few rifles – although even that is a risk if they are captured, since the west is shrieking daily about Russia helping out the east, they can hardly back up Kiev with western weaponry because they would have to yield the moral high ground (which they have simply awarded to themselves since they are free and democratic); two wrongs don’t make a right. And the presence of NATO arms would be a lot easier to establish as to provenance.

      So if Ukraine’s problem is soldiers and organization and over-reliance on fascist zealots, the west can’t help them. And they already tried it on with what they had, and lost decisively.

      I can certainly see Kiev trying to strangle the east economically, but they are going to have to learn to live independently of Kiev’s support anyway and might as well start now. Kiev’s dog-in-the-manger attitude provides the perfect impetus for Novorossiya to seek closer economic ties with Russia – what else are they supposed to do, starve to death? NATO can hardly bitch about Russia coming to their aid after Kiev has cast them adrift: it would have a hard time making the case that Russia should refrain from interfering in a humanitarian disaster, and instead just let it happen and let innocent people perish just because Kiev and the west hate them.

      • yalensis says:

        I see a lot of comments on various internet forums, with people saying things like, “Oh, it’s not possible for a chunk of a country like Donbass to live independently and make up its own economy and institutions.” That’s an honest opinion, but it’s dead wrong. People somehow can’t imagine unrecognized statelet surviving, because people have somewhat rigid notions about what constitutes a state, or an economy.

        The only reason I am wiser than above people, is because I spent several years avidly following (in the media) Abkhazian and Ossetian politics. Believe me, those tiny unrecognized statelets can build their own institutions and can survive, virtually forever, if they have popular support. Which they usually do, based on ethnic factors.

        Donbass can go it alone and can survive virtually forever as an independent entity. The only condition being, war must end, and Ukraine must stop attacking them, so that they can rebuild infrastructure.

  8. Moscow Exile says:

    Russia’s Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

    The interview referred to above:

    «Кто ты, «Стрелок»?»

    [Who are you, Strelky?]

    From MT:

    “I was the one who pulled the firing trigger of this war,” Strelkov said in an interview published Thursday with Russia’s Zavtra newspaper, which espouses imperialist views.

    “If our unit hadn’t crossed the border, in the end everything would have fizzled out, like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa,” Strelkov, also known as Girkin, was quoted as saying.

    From Zavtra, which MT uses as its source:

    Игорь СТРЕЛКОВ. Но спусковой крючок войны всё-таки нажал я. Если бы наш отряд не перешёл границу, в итоге всё бы кончилось, как в Харькове, как в Одессе. Было бы несколько десятков убитых, обожженных, арестованных. И на этом бы кончилось. А практически маховик войны, которая до сих пор идёт, запустил наш отряд. Мы смешали все карты на столе. Все! И с самого начала мы начали воевать всерьёз: уничтожать диверсионные группы “правосеков”. И я несу личную ответственность за то, что там происходит. За то, что до сих пор Донецк обстреливается, — я несу ответственность. За то, что Славянск оставлен, конечно, я несу ответственность. И за то, что он не освобождён, я тоже несу ответственность.

    My translation:

    Igor STRELKOV. But all the same, it was I who squeezed the trigger of war. If our squad had not crossed the border, then it all would have ended as it did in Kharkov, as in Odessa: there would have been a few dozen killed, burnt alive, arrested – and that would have been that. And the flywheel of war that is still in motion was launched by our squad. We put all our cards on the table. All of them! And from the beginning we started to fight in earnest: to destroy the “Right Sector” diversionary groups. And I take personal responsibility for what has happened there, for the fact that fighting is still going on in Donetsk – I am responsible. And I am also responsible for what remains of Slavyansk, of course; I also bear responsibility for it not being liberated.

    Is Strelkov something of a prima donna?

    I have always thought he is.

    Is MT just just seizing on what he said in the Zavtra interview and applying considerable spin to it?

    On the one hand MT states that “Strelkov also gave an account of the degree of Russia’s involvement in the conflict in eastern Ukraine”, and then reports Strelkov as claiming total responsibility for what has happened there.

    So who is the “guilty party” according to MT: Strelkov or the Empire of Evil

    If Strelkov is the Kremlin’s agent, why then was he thrown out on his ear, apparently by Moscow, in order that he, together with Novorossiya, would fall under that proverbial bus that keeps on passing by?

  9. Moscow Exile says:

    Meanwhile, back at the Shining City on the Hill:

    US, Canada & Ukraine vote against Russia’s anti-Nazism resolution at UN

    From TASS:

    The USA, the Ukraine and Canada were the only countries that voted against the Russian resolution on the fight against the glorification of Nazism. The resolution was put to the vote at a third committee meeting of the UN General Assembly.

    115 countries voted, with 55 abstentions, including members of the European Union, and the resolution opposed by the USA, Canada and the Ukraine.

    The Ukraine representative, Andriy Tsymbalyuk, said that his country opposed the resolution for the reason that it does not condemn the crimes of the Stalinist regime.

    The Director of the Russian Federation Foreign Affairs Department on Humanitarian Cooperation and Human Rights, Anatoly Viktorov, expressed regret that the document was not unanimously adopted. Now, after approval by the committee, it will be sent for approval by the plenary session of the General Assembly, which is scheduled for December. However, this step will be a formality, as part of the third committee includes all members of the United Nations.

    The resolution has been submitted to a vote each year. According to Anatoly Viktorov, its approval is the duty of the General Assembly, not only to those who created the United Nations, but also to future generations, from whom the founding fathers of the organization sought to permanently rid the horrors of war.

    The document expresses concern at the “spread in many parts of the world of various extremist political parties, movements and groups, including neo-Nazis and skinheads and racist extremist movements and ideologies”. The text also expressed concern about “worship in any form” of the Nazi movement and former members of the Waffen-SS, including the construction of monuments and memorials to them.

    At the committee meeting, Russian diplomat Anatoly Viktorov said that “days of liberation from Nazism are being declared days of mourning and there are attempts to rank as national heroes those who fought against the anti-Hitler coalition or collaborated with the Nazis … It is just not possible that this should take place in Europe, which fully experienced the horrors of National Socialism”. In his opinion, this indicates a cynical desire to falsify history.

    [part translation – ME]

    • marknesop says:

      A shameful episode in Canadian history, in which our Prime Minister’s worship of his American counterpart and all he stands for causes him to incuriously adopt his positions on foreign affairs. He does not seem to observe the irreconcilable dualism whereby America on the one hand embraces slobbering devotion of Israel to the point it will veto any UN resolution that attempts to force it to behave responsibly, while on the other it champions the public display of hate symbols in Ukraine for short-term foreign policy gain, and simply to oppose Russia in any capacity it attempts to exert its will.

      While no law in Canada specifically bans the display of the swastika or other Nazi symbology, powers granted to law enforcement are extremely broad on this subject, and provide that such a display only needs to be shown to be hate propaganda or to advocate or promote genocide.

      “Section 320 of the Criminal Code provides for the order by a judge of seizure and confiscation of hate propaganda, on reasonable grounds. Hate propaganda is defined in s. 320(8) as any writing, sign or visible representation advocating or promoting genocide, or the communication of which would be an offence under s. 319(2). It merely needs to be shown that the material is hate propaganda for it to be seized – it does not have to be shown to be dangerous. The consent of the provincial Attorney General is required before these seizure and confiscation provisions can be used. The Cohen Committee did not recommend that this type of in rem proceeding be adopted but merely urged that it be studied.”

      This most recent behavior should prove very encouraging to Canadian neo-Nazis. It could well result in the Conservatives and Stephen Harper being driven from power in the next election. But what difference is that going to make? There are no real leaders left anymore. There’s nobody coming up behind him who would do any better. Justin Trudeau? Please. Just what Canada needs – to elect another member of the Trudeau dynasty. All the western democracies are rudderless and simply drifting, because nobody knows how to lead. All they know is how to kiss ass and stick together.

  10. Moscow Exile says:

    Trolleybus in the Crimea.

    Most definitely not photographed in Lvov!

    “Это наша земля! Это наше море! Это наш Крым!” – Yatsenyuk at the Kiev Rada.

    [It’s our land! It’s our sea! It’s our Crimea]


  11. Moscow Exile says:

    Кто не скачет – тот Москаль!

    Anyone who can’t jump up and down is a Moskal!

    • Moscow Exile says:

      “Weapons to protect ourselves”, he says.

      From attack?

      From whom?

      So who’s going to attack him and his bankrupt, shithole of a country?

      When have the East Ukrainian militia ever launched an offensive against, say, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk? When has the East Ukrainian militia ever launched grad missiles against Khokhly towns and cities?

      Oh right! Russia attacked and invaded the Crimea!

      Yeah, that’s right! And annexed it and made the population vote to join Russia at the point of a Kalashnikov. It was in all the papers. Thousands must have died there and even thousands more fled.

      Note how he talks of “the Russians” all the time, and Putin, giving the Pindosy the spin that the Ukraine is being attacked by the wicked, wicked Russians who wish to resurrect the USSR and enslave the inheritors of “Kievan Rus'” – and then he whole world, I tell ya!!!

      • marknesop says:

        We should all have a care, though, that we do not unconsciously support western efforts by inciting hatred of Ukrainians. As I’ve mentioned before, the west and particularly the USA is delighted with the success of its plan to set Russians and Ukrainians to fighting one another, since it does not matter who wins. Ukraine should only inflict as much damage as possible before it goes down, and for all its flag-waving the U.S. government does not care at all what haoppens to the people of Ukraine. It is merely a piece on the chessboard. And even in the west of Ukraine, probably only half support the anti-Russian hatred to the point they could not be talked out of it if a charismatic leader with the opposite viewpoint appeared.

  12. Warren says:

    Old 2010 documentary on Donetsk, includes English subtitles.

    • yalensis says:

      Waggaman’s piece ends with the words:
      5.Vladimir Putin will liberate the entire White Race from sexual perversions and all interracial contacts. Thank him in advance.
      Until next week.
      Your neighborhood Kremlin stooge

      Oh dear! This quote from Waggaman might create an unwanted google search-reference linking the liberation of the White Race with our own beloved Kremlin Stooge!

  13. yalensis says:

    Okay, on a previous blogpost from a couple of weeks ago, I placed a trenchant comment about the package by Roman Gnatiuk which appeared on Ukrainian Channel 112. But within minutes after I posted the comment, the youtube video suddenly disappeared, and people were not able to see what I was talking about. (I don’t flatter myself it was because of me, everybody and their grandmother on the internet were posting and re-posting that video all over the place.)

    So, anyhow, the vid re-surfaced, because somebody saved a mirror copy. Here is a quick recap, followed by the new copy of the youtube vid, the original was from 6 November:

    The vid begins when the lovely Channel 112 anchor-lady introduces the stringer, Roman Gnatiuk, who is reporting from Donetsk. As seems to be common in many Ukrainian inter-actions (where both parties appear to be bi-lingual, but maybe with a stronger side for active speech), she addresses Roman in Ukrainian; he responds in Russian.
    She asks him what is going on in Donetsk. The current issue is the shelling of the school, with both sides pointing to the other as responsible.
    Roman, who is known for his pro-rebel views, responds that everything he saw and heard indicates that the shells came from Ukrainian positions, from the Airport, to be exact.
    The anchorlady then asks him (at 1:15) what is the attitude of the local residents?
    Roman replies that everybody he has spoken to, among the locals, is asking one simple question: “When will Putin bring in the soldiers to save us from the Ukrainian army?”

    The anchorlady emits a touchingly philosophical sigh (1:38). Then starts to wrap up the package.
    But is suddenly interrupted, rudely, by another guest in his studio, waiting to be interviewed, who is too impatient to wait his turn, and obviously offended by what Roman just said.
    Camera turns to reveal the rude guest (1:46), turns out to be a fat bloated ham of a fascist individual, named Anton Gerashchenko, who is the advisor to Minister of Defense, and a prominent member of the junta government.

    Gerashchenko is upset by Roman’s reporting and tries to bully him into changing his story. He demands to know if Roman personally supports the incursion of Russian troops onto Ukrainian territory.
    Roman defends himself (1:52), saying he is not expressing his personal opinion, he is only reporting what he heard and saw.
    At 2:12 we heard the voice of the anchorlady, off-camera, graciously defending Roman: “He is a journalist, he is just relaying information.”
    Gerashchenko: “I understand that. But all the same, I demand to know his personal opinion.”
    He also demands to know, if Roman interviewed any residents of Donbass who are of the opposite opinion.
    Roman adeptly parries this question, by saying that he interviewed people of various opinions, not one of whom supports the shelling of civilian infrastructure.

    At this point, the debate is abruptly cut off by technical difficulties. The last couple of seconds of the vid show anchor-lady poker-facedly addressing the camera: “Oh, what a shame, we got cut off!” (internet people have pointed out that they can see her moving her hand with the mouse pointer at this moment).

    (yalensis note: Obvious to everyone that anchorlady was ordered to cut off debate, by some little voice speaking in her ear! Vid instantly became a youtube sensation. But shortly, people attempted very diligently to remove the entire video from the internet. But it lives on because internet people are smart, and make copies….)

  14. yalensis says:

    Hashtag “stripping the carcass”:
    Signing of new coalition government yesterday:

    And the winners are….

    Hroisman (representing Porky’s party)

    • marknesop says:

      That popping noise is not machine-gun fire; it’s champagne corks being loosed off in the Kremlin. It amazes me that Noodles would allow this to happen, although it is plainly an attempt to maneuver the Batkyvschina party into power and ease out Porkoshenko. He,for his part, will be happy to go back to being a rich man, with the added cachet of having been the country’s president. Any government that includes Yulia Tymoshenko will have to deal with her insatiable lust for absolute power and her over-the-top ego, and this is well known – it was her constant bickering with Yushchenko that caused the Orange government to be so dysfunctional. Noodles – you’d think – would have learned this, but it appears she has a bit of an ego problem herself, and believes she can drive this one where others failed. Yulia Tymoshenko is pathologically incapable of playing a humble part in governance, and taking orders; she has to be in charge.

      She’s back in the snappy outfits and killer heels again, you notice, with no sign of that phony limp and nary a wheelchair in sight.

      NATO would love to take in Ukraine, even if it is a shipwreck, but cannot think how to do it without assuming financial responsibility for it.

      • cartman says:

        From Paul Gobles:

        Americans are Prepared to Die for Latvia,’ Nuland Says

        Correction: Americans are prepared to die for Noodles.

        • marknesop says:

          What’s this Royal “we”? “We are prepared to give our lives…” Is that so? Someone hand Noodles a helmet in her size. Noodles will not be going any closer to war than reruns of MASH.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        She’s never let up, has she? The former Gas Princess was greeted with boos and catcalls from the fickle lard-eating mob when, after being released from prison, she did her on stage Eva Peron act to “her people” gathered on the Maidan. She was written off politically by some, but she’s in there again, in the halls of power: she’s never let off trying to get back to where she knows her rightful place is.

        That Ukrainian expert from Halifax, Yorkshire, UK, now resident in Banderastan-over-the -Water (aka Canada), during the run-up for the Ukraine presidency after the “Kremlin-friendly” Yanukovich had scarpered, went through the chances of success for the presidential candidates on one of the video clips he regularly releases. He talked about the “baggage” that the candidates bore, namely the scandal and nefarious deeds that they had in tow as a result of their feeding frenzy since 1991, when their sole aim was to get stinking rich as quickly as possible. Taras whatever-his-name-is from Halifax clearly was a Yulia fan, for he kept on saying that her chances were good because she had the least “baggage” of all.

        Thus spake the Yorkshire expert on the Ukraine now resident in Toronto.

  15. yalensis says:

    In sports news:
    Later today in Austin, Texas (=city of Austin, nation of Texas) there is to be a big fight. In the format of “mixed martial arts”, aka pit-fighting sambo. This fight is for UFC Absolute Championship, in the heavyweight division.

    The fight features Alexey Oleinik (Ukrainian spelling Oleksiy Oliynyk), aka “The Boa Constrictor”.
    Oleksiy is to fight against American contenderJared Rosholt, aka “The Big Show”. Who looks to be a very religious person, since he has a cross tattooed on his bicep. Fight pundits predict the victory to Rosholt.

    Born in Kharkiv, trains in Russia, Oleksiy represents Russian Federation in international sports.
    Oleksiy made a decision to appear at the weigh-in wearing a t-shirt with Vladimir Putin’s face on it!

    • Moscow Exile says:

      I wonder how many will be rooting for the Yukie/Russkie?

      I remember a local all-in wrestler of my youth who was called “Dirty Dominic Pye“.

      Everyone hated him because his specialty was riling folk: he just couldn’t help it.

      He got killed in a shooting accident.

  16. Warren says:

    Ukraine crisis: Lavrov warns over Russia ‘regime change’ goal

    Western sanctions against Russia over its role in Ukraine are aimed at forcing regime change in Moscow, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says.

    Speaking to foreign policy advisers in Moscow, Mr Lavrov referred to calls for sanctions “that will destroy the economy and cause public protests”.

    On Thursday, President Vladimir Putin said Moscow must guard against a “colour revolution”.

    Russia denies arming Ukrainian rebels or sending Russian troops there.

    Western sanctions were first imposed when Russia annexed Ukraine’s region of Crimea in March following a controversial referendum.

    Further measures have been added since, targeting senior Russian officials as well as defence firms, banks and the country’s oil industry.

    On Thursday, referring to popular uprisings in former Soviet countries including Ukraine and Georgia, President Putin said the world could see “what tragic consequences the wave of the so-called colour revolutions has led to”.

    Ukraine’s 2004 pro-Western uprising became known as the Orange Revolution, while Georgia’s Rose Revolution took place in 2003.

    “We have to do all that is needed to ensure that similar things never happen in Russia,” Mr Putin said.

    Addressing the advisory Foreign and Defence Policy Council in Moscow on Saturday, his foreign minister said: “As for the concept behind to the use of coercive measures, the West is making clear it does not want to force Russia to change policy but wants to secure regime change.”

    “Public figures in Western countries say there is a need to impose sanctions that will destroy the economy and cause public protests,” Mr Lavrov said without naming any Western officials.

    Troops accusations
    A ceasefire has been in place since the outlines of a peace deal were agreed in September, but it has been broken regularly.

    Visiting Kiev on Friday on the anniversary of the uprising which ousted pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych, US Vice-President Joe Biden warned that Russia faced “rising costs and greater isolation” if it failed to respect the September peace deal.

    Since the ousting of Mr Yanukovych in February, Russia has annexed Crimea from Ukraine after a disputed referendum. while a separatist conflict in eastern Ukraine has cost at least 4,300 lives. On the ground in eastern Ukraine, pro-Russia rebels continued firing against government troops in the separatist stronghold of Donetsk.

    On Saturday, Ukraine’s defence minister accused Russia of sending 7,500 troops inside Ukraine.

    Russia says accusations of troops concentrations on the border with Ukraine or of Russian troops inside the neighbour’s territory are “fake”.

    Figures released by the UN human rights office on Thursday show that an average of 13 people have been killed daily in eastern Ukraine since the 5 September ceasefire came into place.

    A report by the UN described a total breakdown of law and order in the rebel-held Donetsk and Luhansk regions. It also highlighted allegations of abuses by government forces.

    Human cost of conflict in east Ukraine

    Mourners at the funeral on 7 November of two schoolboys killed by shelling in Donetsk, Andrei Yeliseyev (18) and Daniil Kuznetsov (14)
    4,317 deaths since April, 957 of them since the 5 September ceasefire, and 9,921 people wounded

    466,829 internally displaced persons within Ukraine

    454,339 refugees living abroad, 387,355 of them in Russia

    UN data from 18 November

    • kirill says:

      An issue of world concern, whether Russia is helping the rebels stave off the regime suppression forces. An issue not worthy of mention, by the BBC and the rest of the western media filth, is the 24/7 shelling and MLRS attacks on civilians in the Donbas by regime forces.

      A clear example of narrative pushing if there is ever one.

      Russia should stop denying it supports the rebels and invoke the right to protect as the excuse. It is up to NATO and its quisling regime in Kiev to justify the continuous attacks on civilians.

    • et Al says:

      Maybe Russia should announce a loophole in it’s ‘non first use of nuclear weapons’ for excluding countries who attempt to foster regime change. The West is still doing it because they still make the risk calculation in their favor, even if the event destroys the country in question.

    • Marcos says:

      Lavrov & Co shouldn’t reveal Moscow’s fears publicly. It makes the government sound like it’s afraid. That’s how I interpreted his statement: we are weak, and our enemies sense it, hence the constant push against us, we can’t do anything like this against their countries, but we should be afraid that they can do it to ours.

      The Western MSM delights in reporting this stuff.

      “On the ground in eastern Ukraine, pro-Russia rebels continued firing against government troops in the separatist stronghold of Donetsk.”

      No mention of the junta doing the same, when in fact they are the main culprits. Where’s the UK’s media watchdog to take on the BBC’s biased reporting?

      • marknesop says:

        That’s true, but Russia sort of has to mention up front that it knows there is an attempt underway to colour-revolution Russia, so that some of its subsequent actions can be tied to that realization. It did that last time and then kicked out some NGO’s and slapped restrictive regulations on others, and there was not a murmur of dissent among the electorate while the west was white with fury.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          There’s as much chance of a colour revolution in Russia as is my winning the Eurovision song contest in drag!

          For all the shite they keep on publishing in the West and that so-called Russia experts keep pontificating, the vast majority of Russians are day by day recognizing the USA and its cohorts for what they are and their methodology for achieving their aims. In short, they, those whom those Pussy Riot sages and their ilk believe are too dumb, indolent, slave like etc. to realize their lack of freedom and democracy and basic human rights, know their enemy.

          Almost every day now, my two elder children come home from school and bemoan the stupidity and hostility of the Pindosi. It’s sad – and I try to tell them that they’re really criticizing the ruling “elite” there – but clearly, if kids at school have become so focused on the wrongs that they feel the West is meeting out to Russia, what attitudes do their parents and teachers have; what chances are there of a “colour revolution” being attempted here?

          • marknesop says:

            I mostly agree a colour revolution has a very poor chance of success in Russia, and in the attempts made thus far it was only the generosity of the western press in stipulating to crowds three or four times their actual size which made it appear any kind of threat at all. However, that does not stop the west from trying, and since the west has declared itself an enemy, there is no reason that more of them should not be kicked out every time they try.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              The voice of a Liberast who would welcome a colour revolution in Russia:

              Я Русский и мне не нужны ЛНР и ДНР мне нужен МИР в РОССИИ!!! Путин прекрати разжигать войну!!! Я не хочу, чтобы моя страна воевала с Украиной, мне надоело в новостях слышать и читать лживые фронтовые сводки! Мысль о том, что эти бесславные ублюдки ДНР и ЛНР, которые издеваются над пленными и фотографируются на фоне изуродованных тел «противника» являются добровольцами из России, приводит меня в ужас! Мне страшно осознавать что эти твари живут, рядом со мной. Мне надоело то, что Российские власти и СМИ постоянно врут про случайных Российских военных в Украине! Российская экономика падает, кругом коррупция и беспредел, у нас нет союзников в этой войне! Российскому народу не нужна эта война!

              [I’m Russian and I don’t need LPR and DPR, I need PEACE in RUSSIA!!! Putin,stop fomenting war!!! I don’t want my country to go to war with the Ukraine. I’m sick of hearing and reading in the news lying reports from the front! The thought that these inglorious DPR and LPR bastards, who mock prisoners and who are photographed against a backdrop of mutilated bodies of their “enemies”, are volunteers from Russia fills me with horror! It’s frightful for me to realize that these creatures live near me. I’m tired of the Russian authorities and the media constantly lying about random Russian fighters in Ukraine! The Russian economy is failing; there is corruption and lawlessness; we have no allies in this war! The Russian people do not need this war!]

              This is a comment by a certain John Smith to a youtube clip.

              Note the choice of an English name. (It’s just possible that he may not be Russian – he uses a capital letter in Russian for “I am Russian”, which Russians don’t do in Russian: a typo, perhaps – but maybe not?) Note also how “John Smith” talks about peace “in Russia”. (Are they fighting in Russia?) Also note the reference to the American movie title “Inglorious Basterds (sic)” when referring to East Ukrainian separatist militia. Note also the allegations of lies – the truth, it seems is a Western commodity, the Western narrative is 100% truthful: according to “John Smith”, the Russian authorities and media simply lie. And note how “John Smith” states that the “inglorious bastards” of separatist militia are all Russian volunteers – the Western line again.

              “John Smith” so desperately wants to be a Westerner: “John Smith” so clearly hates Russia.

              Exactly the same words quoted above were also posted here:

              All-Russian Peace March

              only this time the author is not “John Smith” but a certain “Alexander Vorontsov” of Moscow.

              And that is typical of the voice of those Russians who would welcome a colour revolution in Russia; of those who dream of living in the West; of those who believe that an earthly paradise is to be found there.

              Although I’ve come across many who have such an attitude (basically, they hate themselves and their motherland), they only constitute a small minority of the population, I’m sure. And another thing: they’re all bourgeois and have had an easy life and a good education, their parents usually having enjoyed privileges in the USSR and then suddenly become quite wealthy following the end of the Soviet Union: from Soviet bureaucrats in Soviet industry, they then metamorphosed into captains, owners of industry – and made a killing.

              And their offspring want a bite at the cherry as well – but the blocks were put on this when the Evil One became president.

              The “John Smith”/”Alexander Vorontsov” youtube comment was in answer to this:

              And of course, there are other comments to that clip, saying that those mocking the Yukie prisoners are alcoholics, junkies, terrorists etc. sponsored by Russia; that they are breaching human rights, the Geneva convention etc….

              And I just think of that woman in the red dress with her legs blown off in Lugansk, or the dead mother with her guts blown out, lying in the dirt clasping her dead infant child…

              Slava Ukraini!

              Heroyam slava!

  17. ucgsblog says:

    Alright, my Yahoo! find contributed to the article!

    Meanwhile in the US: once they won the Senate, the Republicans responded by trying to pass the Keystone Pipeline, which would make the US, Canada’s dumping ground. (Do I get to make fun of Mark since he’s Canadian? :P) Everyone here knows that oil pipelines spill, so the proposal is to have Keystone built over critical groundwater locations, while there’s a possibility of a shortage of water! Obama quickly used that idiocy to legalize 5 million illegal immigrants, which is probably not going to help lower the unemployment rate, and the Republicans finally responded by tying Obamacare to illegal immigration. Instead of solving three problems, the two parties created yet another one: potential groundwater pollution. Seems that they’re working hard to create a fifth problem – renewed Cold War with Russia. I think the government is supposed to be solving problems, not creating them, but apparently the government strongly disagrees.

  18. et Al says:

    Colliemum, I just discovered this graphic of the smartest dogs!

    Looks like bored collies are more smart than busy collies, but I bet you already knew that. 😉

    By David McCandless via Gizmodo:

  19. et Al says:

    Several times over the last few weeks and months, I have questioned what exactly is going on behind closed doors vis-a-vis the Chinese. I could feel that there was something going on but nothing about it on the internet.

    Mercouris via Vinyard the Saker
    Official – China Recognizes Crimean Referendum

    Like China is so totally getting modern and powerful jet engines from Russia. For sure like! Totally!

    The Brits have a phrase “Swivel on it” and show the finger. I think China’s motto every time the Shite House mentions its Asian Pivot should be “Swivel on This with the relevant image. Something like this:

    • Moscow Exile says:

      As a by-the way, is “the finger” so common a gesture nowadays in the UK? Does no one there use the two-finger salute any more?

      I can understand the American gesture having taken over Germany, as illustrated by the cover of “Die Zeit” (above), for the Bundesrepublik Deutschland was already almost totally Americanized when I lived there 30 years ago.

      Interestingly, at that time some West Germans used to go into seizures if I ever uttered what was to them the foul expression “Deutsche Demokratische Republik” (East Germany), pointing out to me that there was no such place and that I was referring to “Die Sovjetische Besatzunszone” (the Soviet Occupation Zone), which hysterics often amused me, for they never imagined that they too were living in an American occupation zone themselves. In fact, they still are.

      As Mercouris (I think) has pointed out in a Russia Insider article, East Germany was never “Russified” to the degree that West Germany was Americanized – witness the origins of the present chancellor of partially re-united Germany.

  20. et Al says:

    Oh dear, Business Week still sucking direct from the Kiev propaganda teat

    Ukraine’s IT Brigade Supports the Troops

    …Western drones cost upwards of $200,000 apiece; the Ukrainians brought the cost down to about $60,000. About 10 informal groups of technology and aviation experts, all volunteers, are making about 40 drones a month, using open-source software and cameras and other parts bought mostly from China.

    “We started cooperating with scientific institutes in Kiev and Kharkiv,” Arakhamiya says. “They helped us a lot with aerodynamics.” The high-altitude drone systems are now comparable to Western versions, he says…

    Laughing and crying at the same time. It’s so hard!

  21. Warren says:

    What a ridiculous photo.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Yeah, well…you see, Russians are by nature anti-semites. They organized *pogroms there. Did you know that “pogrom” is a Russian word? No? Well they had their own special word for killing Jews. They did it all the time…destroyed Jewish villages yada-yada-yada….

      As it happens, the vast majority of pogroms took place in the Ukraine – the Borderland – because that’s where the Jewish settlements of the Russian Empire were:

      That territory, the Borderland, became the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist republic thanks to V.I. Lenin and chums, and now the Lard-Eaters like to call it an independent republic that is the historical descendant of a place they also have chosen to call in comparatively modern times “Kievan Rus'”.

      And who did the killing in the Jewish Pale in the Borderland?

      Why, the Moskali, of course! The Yukies used to help them flee, sort of like that nice German did in the Sudetenland, he who became a most-favoured Gentile…what was his name now?

      Anyway, the pogroms were the work of the Russians, make no mistake about that, and the Yukies were the good guys.


      Слава Україні! Героям слава!

      * From Wiki:

      The Russian word pogrom (погроˊм, pronounced [pɐˈgrom]), is a noun derived from the verb gromit’ (громи́ть, pronounced [grɐˈmʲitʲ]) meaning “to destroy, to wreak havoc, to demolish violently”. It is used in English and many other languages as a loanword, possibly borrowed via Yiddish (where the word takes the form פאָגראָם pogrom). Its widespread international currency began with the anti-Semitic excesses in the Russian Empire in 1881–1883.

      Russian Empire = Rossiiskaya Imperiya (Российская Империя), not Русская Империя, literally the Russian Empire, which empire was always multiethnic, but with the majority of its subjects being of Russian ethnicity.

      Of course, no Yukies commited anti-semitic excesses in the pogroms that took place in the Jewish Pale of the Russian Empire.

      Of course they didn’t!

      Perish the thought!

  22. ThatJ says:

    Russia Can Survive An Oil Price War

    After a frosty reception at the G20 summit in Australia this week, Russian President Vladimir Putin required some much needed rest, at least according to the official explanation given for his conspicuously early departure from the proceedings. All things considered it could have been a lot worse. Russia finds itself in familiar territory after a controversial half-year, highlighted by the bloody and still unresolved situation in Ukraine. Nonetheless, the prospect of further sanctions looms low and Russia’s stores of oil and gas remain high.

    Ukraine slashed gold holdings in October, Russia added more – IMF

    NEW YORK/SINGAPORE, Nov 20 (Reuters) – Ukraine slashed its gold reserves by more than a third in October, data from the International Monetary Fund showed, as the near-bankrupt country reels from fighting a pro-Russian separatist movement in the east.

    The reserves data from IMF also showed Russia raised its gold holdings for a seventh straight month in the same period – the country’s longest such buying spree in more than a year.

    Wall Street Stunned As Iceland Dares To Jail Banker Involved In 2008 Crash

    The impossible is possible. Never say never. Wall Street bankers are staring agog at headlines coming from Europe where, in Iceland, the former chief executive of one of the largest banks in the country which was involved in crashing the economy in 2008 has been sentenced to jail time. As Valuewalk reports, in receiving a one year prison sentence, Sigurjon Arnason officially became the first bank executive to be convicted of manipulating the bank’s stock price and deceiving investors, creditors and the authorities between Sept. 29 and Oct. 3, 2008, as the bank’s fortunes unwound, crashing the economy with it. It appears he was as shocked by the verdict as Wall Street-ers are, “this sentence is a big surprise to me as I did nothing wrong.” It was likely all for the people’s own good…

    3 Of The 10 Largest Economies In The World Have Already Fallen Into Recession – Is The U.S. Next?

    Are you waiting for the next major wave of the global economic collapse to strike? Well, you might want to start paying attention again. Three of the ten largest economies on the planet have already fallen into recession, and there are very serious warning signs coming from several other global economic powerhouses. Things are already so bad that British Prime Minister David Cameron is comparing the current state of affairs to the horrific financial crisis of 2008. In an article for the Guardian that was published on Monday, he delivered the following sobering warning: “Six years on from the financial crash that brought the world to its knees, red warning lights are once again flashing on the dashboard of the global economy.” For the leader of the nation with the 6th largest economy in the world to make such a statement is more than a little bit concerning.

    So why is Cameron freaking out?

  23. Warren says:

    VK of Russian Nazis – Misanthropic Division:

    I am truly baffled by Russian Nazis, and their ideology. Groups like the Misanthropic Division support Ukraine its war against Russophones and Russian identity in Donetsk and Luhansk. Russian Nazis justified this according to one of our members here, because the people of Donetsk and Luhansk have a “Soviet mentality”, believe in communism/USSR, etc and therefore Russian Nazis as believers in Nazism, Russian Nazis and right wing racists are ideologically duty bound to support Kiev. Even though Kiev regime is actively trying to eliminate Russian language, culture and identity. Yet Russian Nazis prefer Kiev.

    A question I would really like to ask Russian Nazis,, or anyone who is familiar or understands their mentality, is what do Russian Nazis think of Russians living in the Baltic States? Do Russian Nazis support fellow Russians in Baltic States in achieving equal rights, and protecting their language, culture and identity. Or do Russian Nazis again side with Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania in their policies and efforts to eliminate Russian culture and discrimination against Russians?

    Russian Nazis rant and scream about Africans, people from the Caucasus, and now Chinese. However when Russians are under threat in Ukraine or in the Baltics, they side against fellow Russians or remain silent. Russian Nazis seems to subconsciously or secretly hate the Russian identity they so profess to be so proud of.

    • Southerncross says:

      RNE has been active in the Baltics, but as far as I know the Russian Nazis see the Baltic Russians mostly as pool of nationally-conscious and radicalised recruits. They have no real interest in helping them, and are more likely to see Latvian and Estonian Nazis as comrades. Hell, the modern-day incarnation of the Thunder Cross movement has as one its activists the ethnic Russian Igor Shishkin (Šiškins).

      If you want to hear it from the horses’ mouth, as it were, it might be worth checking out Stormfront’s Russia board. I haven’t looked at it in years, but back in the latter half of the 2000s it was a real laugh. On one hand, you had Stormfront’s main news board where American Nazis would crow about how “Putin is sticking it the Zionists! Putin is routing the Jews out of Russia! Putin is secretly a white nationalist!”. Then you went over to the Russia board and the first thread stickied at the top of the page was ‘PUTIN AND UNITED RUSSIA: CRIMES OF THE CORRUPT ANTI-WHITE REGIME’, wherein you would find pictures of Putin in a yarmulke and rants about Rashid Nurgalyev.

      If you wanted to ask them directly… well, dissent from whatever party line the hive mind has agreed on isn’t allowed on the main boards, but Stormfront does an opposing views board where anyone can go and troll them to their heart’s content.

      “Russian Nazis seems to subconsciously or secretly hate the Russian identity they so profess to be so proud of.”

      Yes, this. One hundred thousand times this. And not subconsciously or secretly either. They hate Russia with all their hearts and souls. Specifically, they hate the fact that it has been a multi-ethnic and multi-confessional state for most of its history. That’s why they really have to go back to Sviatoslav the Brave to find a Russian leader they approve of. It’s why they angst about the possibility that they might have Mongol ancestors, and why they furiously deny it to anyone who cares to listen.

      What they really want is to live in a Nazi German Reich that happens to be called Russia. What they propose to do about the millions of ‘subhumans’ living in Russia I don’t know, but I assume gas is involved.

    • ThatJ says:

      I don’t know much about Russian Nazis, but I’m familiar with their complaints (not all of them are like this, by the way). Having some knowledge of AngloZionist and Russian politics and culture, I can say that the Russian is less toxic — something the Russian nationalists don’t “get” because they live it. Being part of the country blinds them to their real predicament, leading them to support the other side, ignoring or not knowing the direr situation facing this other side.

      They have legitimate concerns about non-continentals swarming their historic lands, slowly replacing them and in the long term, causing their demise, but as I said, they don’t know how good they have it in Russia for the moment. In terms of:

      1) Potential nationalism.
      Nationalism is quite widespread and not pathologized by the gentile Russian elite to the same extent that it is in the West.

      2) Good politicians.
      The politicians of Russia are not bound to play by the rules of a hostile elite, meaning they can best act in the interests of the population. From TOO:

      Quite simply, we think that neocon hostility stems from the fact that Russia under Vladimir Putin proved to be far more nationalistic than is good for the Jews or for Israel. A landmark event was Putin’s crackdown on the oligarchs — that small, overwhelmingly Jewish group of tycoons that came to control the industrial base of the USSR during the shift to capitalism. The oligarchs pumped huge amounts of money into the campaign to keep Boris Yeltsin in office and enrich themselves. They also supported Putin at first, but Putin gradually cut into the dominance of the oligarchs.

      When in 1996 it appeared that Yeltsin might lose his reelection to the Communists, the oligarchs poured millions into Yeltsin’s campaign and began flooding the television airwaves (which they owned) with pro-Yeltsin “news” items while conspicuously failing to give any airtime to the opposition. With Yeltsin’s victory, the loans-for-shares deal was finalized, catapulting the oligarchs from a small group of millionaires to a small group of billionaires. A few years later the oligarchs “guaranteed” (to use Berezovsky’s term) that Vladimir Putin, like Yeltsin before him, would get elected in Russia’s 2000 Presidential elections.

      A turning point was the arrest and imprisonment of Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the head of Yukos, the oil giant. Arch-neocon Richard Perle led the charge against Putin, calling for the ouster of Russia from the G-8 — the same sort of policy the neocons are proposing in the wake of the invasion of Georgia. Khodorkosky was viewed as without any feeling for Russian nationalism and far too friendly with the United States:

      Khodorkovsky has spent years pursuing what is essentially a personal, pro-American foreign policy, cultivating contacts with the most influential politicians, diplomats, bankers and public relations specialists in Washington — actions the siloviki, a group of hawks in the Kremlin made up of former KGB men, consider reprehensible….

      Compounding this perceived threat are Khodorkovsky’s efforts to endear himself to the White House. One only need look at the people who have rallied to Khodorkovsky’s defense [the article mentions Stuart Eizenstat, Richard Perle, George Soros, and John McCain (!)] to see how the siloviki could make a convincing case to cut Khodorkovsky down to size.

      The crackdown against the oligarchs resulted in agonized complaints about the demise of democracy in Russia, and we are sure to see more such complaints in the wake of the invasion of Georgia. The neocons much preferred a democracy in which the Jewish oligarchs completely controlled the media and could buy large blocs of the Duma — in other words, a democracy that much more resembles our own.

      The Neocons Versus Russia
      [END QUOTE]

      The siloviki acted before the cancer metastasized. For this, the likes of Khodorkovsky don’t have any relevant control over the media, nor can they donate large sums of money to Russia-hating gentile collaborators (traitors to Russia) without being confronted by the siloviki and losing it all.

      3) Lack of Trotskyite outsiders in leading positions.

      The mostly non-gentile Trotskyites in the core Western countries have been causing havok with the national psyche of their adopted countries, and since these countries are the core and hold hegemonic powers, they’ve been exporting their “civilizational model” to the rest of the Western/European world.

      TOO has articles on the Western hostility towards Russia, but you can read criticism of Putin too, sometimes written by Russians themselves:

      Putin’s view of Russia’s national future. Migration policy and residence registration

      Russians in Russia: The State within the State

      Russian Nationalism on the Rise, Despite Putin Crackdown

      And appraisals by non-Russians:

      Vladimir Vladimirovich and the Grey Lady

      The Specter of Russian Nationalism

      • ThatJ says:

        @et Al

        Warren wanted to know why Russian Nazis think the way they do.

        I provided three links relevant to this question, which help to explain why some Russian nationalists support the enemy.

        Two articles written by Igor Artemov:

        Putin’s view of Russia’s national future. Migration policy and residence registration

        Russians in Russia: The State within the State

        And an interview with Alexander Belov:

        Russian Nationalism on the Rise, Despite Putin Crackdown

        I also shared my opinion and links on why I think that despite their concerns, any support for the AngloZionist policies in Eastern Europe is misguided and foolish, the reason being that Russia’s “national psyche” as promoted by the Russian elite is incomparably healthier than the cultural rot prescribed by the AngloZionists in their own core countries.

        Prof. Kevin MacDonald seems to think along similar lines:

        [START QUOTE]
        …[T]he good news is that Russian nationalism is real. Consider Putin’s appointment of Dmitry Rogozin, a Russian nationalist politician, as Ambassador to NATO. Rogozin is described as “one of the founders of the Congress of Russian Communities, a political movement dedicated to voicing the concerns of ethnic Russians and pushing nationalist causes.” In 2003 he became head of the nationalist Rodina [Motherland] coalition. After being forced out of that position, he became involved with the Movement Against Illegal Immigration, “championing the rights of ethnic Russians and organizing nationalist demonstrations.” While head of Rodina, the party put on a television ad starring Rogozin:

        The video shows three surly Azerbaijanis eating watermelon and throwing the peels on the ground; to make their nationality clear, Azerbaijani music is playing in the background. A dignified Russian mother is walking by pushing her child in a pram, stepping on the peels. One of the Azerbaijanis insults the Russian lady. All this is witnessed by Rogozin and his vice president; this time Terminator music starts playing in the background. They ask the Azerbaijanis to “clean the space”, but the Azerbaijanis ignore them. Then Rogozin puts a firm hand on one of the Azerbaijanis, and demands of him: “Do you understand Russian?” That’s when the logo of Rodina appears, and the words below the logo say “We will clear Moscow of the dirt”. …

        …[I]t goes without saying that if an American or European politician were associated with such a video, he or she would be condemned to the extremist fringe of political life, with no chance whatever of obtaining power or influence. The powers that be would make it difficult for him even to find employment. But in Russia, Rogozin has been elevated to an important, high-profile foreign policy position where he can express his nationalist views to NATO whose actions have been a sore point with Russian nationalists for years.

        This point has not been lost on observers. Rogozin’s appointment “was seen as an extension of President Vladimir Putin’s combative tone with the West and NATO, specifically. As a strong voice for Russian interests and nationalism, his tenure has been marked by little shift in tone but a continuation of Putin’s rhetoric in principle.”
        [END QUOTE]

    • PvMikhail says:

      I think one should make a difference between Russian nationalists and nazis. Nationalists like Russia as it is, its culture, it’s identity. Russian nazis are idiots like all nazis. They are just racists and white supremacists. I don’t think they give a damn about Russia. They care only abot white people in general. So if they could have a choice to either kill a patriotic half-other half-Russian, for example Givi who fights for Donbass and a snow-white american they would kill the patriot, I think…

      To understand this, watch an early video about Maxim Tesak Martsinkevich, when he was a young skinhead. You can find it on youtube. He basically says about the 1999 apartment bombings, that “wogs” (chechens) are useful, because they anger the people, so the skinheads could foment a white revolution to purify Russia. He states, that he is a racist, whites only, nothing more, nothing less. This is nazism, a stupid western disease, which in the 1990s, like so many other western diseases, attacked the body of the unprepared Russian society. A real Russian can’t be a nazi.

      In fact this is the only thing separates a Russian and an Ukrainian. They are ethnically the same, however the Russian thinks big and acts big, has an imperial mentality, which is based on culture, rather than stupid ethnic chauvinism. Ukrainian thinks little, acts little and thinks in a national state, Ukrainian (like Baltic, Slovakian, etc.) nationalism is defining itself not for, but against something, basically ethnic chauvinism. The Russian nazi can’t understand, that if he thinks in national state, then he stops being Russian, because if the people of Russia would choose this path, then the country itself breaks apart and destroys itself, like the USSR. This doesn’t mean, that ethnic Russians should not be defended by the STATE.

  24. Warren says:

    “RNE has been active in the Baltics, but as far as I know the Russian Nazis see the Baltic Russians mostly as pool of nationally-conscious and radicalised recruits. They have no real interest in helping them, and are more likely to see Latvian and Estonian Nazis as comrades.”

    I was under the impression RNE were supporting Donetsk and Luhansk, in their fight against Ukraine? It groups like Misanthropic Division who would support Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania to suppress Baltic Russians. Their ideology is incoherent, their mental gymnastics can justify Kiev and Baltic states hostility to fellow Russians. People like Navalny always criticises and demonises people from the Caucasus, and claim to be a Russian nationalist. Yet at the same time support Kiev and the Baltic states policies of discrimination against Russians. Yes I know, Navalny is an agent, yet this mentality and mental gymnastics is pervasive among Russian nationalists who are not in the pay of the state department. These types of Russian nationalists are arrogant and aggressive towards “no-Whites” (Africans, Caucasus, Chinese, etc), yet cowardly and silent towards Kiev and Baltic States mistreatment of Russians.

    Re-Mongol bloodlines of Russians, it was common in 19th century England to refer to Russians as Asiatic, this was the time of the “Great Game” between Great Britain and Russia for control over Central Asia. Zbigniew Brzezinski in his early days would scream that Russians are not really Europeans are rather they were Asiatics.

    General Patton believed Russians were not Europeans but were Asiatic:

    “The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.”

    • Southerncross says:

      RNE split during the mid-2000s. One branch still marches under the swastika, and as far as I know supports Kiev.

      The other branch, still lead by Alexander Barkashov,seems to have diverged at least somewhat from the group’s original ideology, and uses an Orthodox cross for insignia. This is the RNE that supports the rebels – indeed, Barkashov’s own son is now fighting in Donbass.

  25. Warren says:

    Out, Damned ‘Ы’! Zhirinovsky Wants Russian To Shed ‘Nasty, Asiatic’ Letter

    Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the ultranationalist Russian politician known for outrageous remarks on everything from migrant laborers to terrorism, has now targeted a letter in the Russian alphabet.

    The letter in question is the vowel “ы” — a difficult-to-pronounce sound for nonnative Russian speakers which is usually transliterated simply as “y” in English. Zhirinovsky says he wants the letter removed from the Russian alphabet, calling it a “nasty Asiatic” import.

    The vowel came to the Russian language from the Mongols, Zhirinovsky was quoted as telling the State Duma on March 12.

    “Only animals make this sound, ‘ы- ы,'” he said, adding that the regular “и” (“i”) is enough for the Russian alphabet.

    “Ы” doesn’t exist in any other European language, argued Zhirinovsky. “This primitive, Asiatic sound is the reason people don’t like us in Europe,” he told lawmakers.

    The politician seemed to have a longstanding issue with the “guttural” letter, which he claimed his son wasn’t able to pronounce as a child.

    “He once told me, ‘Dad, dad, look, there’s a ‘мишка’,” the Russian for “bear.” “I thought ‘What ‘мишка’? A bear? But he meant ‘мышка’,” the word for “mouse.”

    Insulting rhetoric is nothing new for the leader of Russia’s Liberal Democratic Party.

    Last month, Zhirinovsky sparked outrage in Central Asia, saying the region’s five republics should be grouped together as subjects of Russia.

    The Almaty-born politician suggested the creation of the “Central Asian Federal Region” of Russia with a capital that should be known as “Verny.”

    “Verny” is Russian for “loyal,” and also the old name for the Kazakh city of Almaty.

    Straying beyond politics, Zhirinovsky suggested last month in the Duma that people should not kiss on the lips but only on foreheads.

    He also advised disinfecting the skin before planting a kiss.

    Beside the Russian and Belarussian Cyrillic alphabets, the letter “ы” also exists in most of the Turkic languages spoken in former Soviet republics, including Kazakh and Kyrgyz, which use the same alphabet.

    The vowel is widely used in Kazakh and Kyrgyz, sometimes several times in the same word.

    “Ырыс алды – ынтымақ,” (“Yrys aldy – yntymaq”) reads a Kazakh proverb, which translates as “There is no abundance without solidarity.”

    The letter “ы” also makes up most of the vowels of a well-known Kyrgyz saying — “ырысы жоктун ырымы күч” (“yrysy zhoktun yrymy kuch”) – that means “a person with no confidence believes in superstition.”

    — Farangis Najibullah with contributions from RFE/RL’s Kazakh and Kyrgyz services

    • Moscow Exile says:

      He’s talking crap.

      As regards the pronunciation of ы and Zhirinovsky’s assertion that it does not exist in other European languages, I have often noticed how my fellow countrymen from the south of England (those who like to think that only they “correctly” speak the “Queen’s English”) almost invariably pronounce ы as “-ee-” [/i:/], therefore saying what sounds like “me” (as in “Give me a drink”) for мы, which word means “we” in Russian.

      In my native English pronunciation, however, the sound of ы is present, as is, by the way, the sound given in German that is represented by “ö“.

      (On more than one occasion Germans have told me that I was the first Englishman whom they had heard pronouncing “o-umlaut” correctly. I presume that they had never spoken to fellow countrymen of mine hailing from the Northwest of England, where “her over there with the fair hair” sounds like “hör over thör with the för hör”.)

      “Ee, I could do with a pint!” in my part of Lancashire sounds (sounded?) something like:

      Ы, ah kood dew wi a pahnt!” [“kood” rhyming with “hood” and “dew” rhyming with US pronunciation of “new”, having the same pronunciation as does the word “dew” when uttered by most North American speakers of English]

      I would have used phonetic symbols, but most folk would be no less wiser if I had.

      From the Russian Wiki:

      “…в современном русском языке отсутствует самостоятельная фонема /ɨ/”

      In modern Russian we have a separate phoneme /ɨ/

      The young woman in the video below gives exactly the same explanation as how to learn to say ы as did my Russian teacher of Russian to my Russian language class in England 27 years ago:

      • Moscow Exile says:

        “In modern Russian we have a separate phoneme” should have read:

        In modern Russian /ɨ/ is not a separate phoneme

        The full Wiki sentence reads:

        Гласная фонема /ɨ/, обозначаемая буквой «ы», существовала ещё в праславянском языке. Обычно происходит из долгого звука *ū [uː], чем объясняются чередования ы/у, ы/ов и т. п.: слу́шать — слы́шать, рыть — ров. Согласно Московской фонологической школе в современном русском языке отсутствует самостоятельная фонема /ɨ/, а звук [ɨ] является лишь аллофоном фонемы /i/ после твёрдых согласных.[источник не указан 839 дней] Петербургская фонологическая школа рассматривает /ɨ/ как отдельную фонему.

        [The vowel phoneme /ɨ/ denoted by the letter “ы” existed in the proto-Slavic language. It usually derived from the long sound *ū [uː], which accounts for the alternation ы/у, ы/ов and so on: слу́шать — слы́шать, рыть — ров . According to he Moscow School of Phonology, /ɨ/ is not an independent phoneme in the modern Russian language, the sound [ɨ] being only in allophones with the phoneme /i/ coming after hard consonants. The St. Peterburg School of Phonology considers /ɨ/ as a separate phoneme.]

        So apart from what Zhirinovsky thinks about “ы”, two prestigious Russian schools of phonology are also in disagreement about the phonetic description of this sound.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          By the way, Zhirinovsky speaks fluent Turkish and was a Turkic specialist of some sort. He was born in Kazakhstan and studied at the Institute of Asian and African Studies, Department of Turkish Studies Moscow State University. He worked in Turkey for a while, I think. I also think he’s got a bee in his bonnet because the sound represented by the Cyrillic letter “ы” is common in Turkic languages such as Kazakh and Kyrgyz.

          There may be a spelling reform about this matter though, because according Russian orthography, one cannot write, for example, “ы” after “ш” and must use “и”, albeit that in such a case “и” is pronounced as “ы”.

          So my wife’s maiden name, which is Лапшина, is not pronounced as “Lapsheena” (as indeed most English speakers would do so) but as though it were spelt as Лапшына.

        • yalensis says:

          If Zhirinovsky studied linguistics, then he should really know better than to emit such ignorant opinions. I suspect he is either just (1) clowning around; or (2) really has become senile. (maybe Alzheimers?)

          As to the phonological status of the letter “ы”, it is interesting that Moscow and Petersburg schools debate this. Moscow claims that “ы” is simply an allophone of the same phoneme /i/. When I studied linguistics, I was trained in THIS (=the Moscow) school of thought. We were taught that (in standard Russian dialect) there are 5 and only 5 vowels (=vocalic phonemes), let us denote them by the Latin letters “a”, “e”, “i”,”o”,”u”.
          In turn, each of these vocalic phonemes has 2 possible spellings in standard Russian, based on which type of consonant it follows. The 2 possible spellings for each vocalic phoneme are, respectively:

          “a” : spelled а or я
          “e” : spelled э or е
          “i” : spelled ы or и
          “o” : spelled о or ё
          “u” : spelled у or ю

          To my mind, the arguments that there is a 6th vocalic phoneme ы and that it is something bigger than just an allophone of the “i” phoneme — to my mind, that argument is weak, and relies on foreign borrowings as examples.
          However, the language is evolving, especially with lots of foreign words entering it, therefore one must keep an open mind.
          (but not in regards to Zhirinovsky, who is a dangerous fool…)

          • yalensis says:

            P.S. clarification to Moscow Exile:
            The 2 schools of Phonology (Moscow vs. Petersburg) are NOT in disagreement about “the phonetic description of this sound”. Acoustic phonetics is what they is, and the sound is pronounced deep in the throat, like the girl in the video says.

            What they are in disagreement about is the phonological status of this acoustic utterance:
            Is it a phoneme in its own right, or simply an allophone of the generic /i/ phoneme? That is the dispute.
            Zhirinovsky himself muddies the waters by presenting the problem as something to do with acoustics, or with individuals (like his son) having pronunciation difficulties..
            The fact is, some people cannot pronounce the rolling “r” sound in Russian. (Lenin among them.) But that doesn’t change the fact that the “r” sound is a full-fledged consonantal phoneme in standard Russian. Even people who can’t pronounce it, have to somehow get by, maybe by substituting the “w” sound; in any case, people know what they are trying to say.
            The point I am trying to make is that people should not confuse acoustic phonetics with phonology, they are 2 separate things.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                And it was also the Moscow school of phonology school of thought concerning the phonological status of the sound represented by the letter ы that was passed on to me by my Russian teacher who hailed from Odessa, which was a Soviet city in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic when she was born. As far as I know, she didn’t speak Ukrainian.

          • yalensis says:

            Basic Linguistics 101. Sub-section Phonology.

            The first step any linguisti/anthropologist must undertake when studying a language, it to compose a catalog of “phonemes” or meaningful sounds.

            Suppose you are an anthropologist seeking a thesis topic, people just discovered this new tribe living at the bottom of an extinct volcano, now it is your job to study and catalogue their language.

            Step #1: You need to find a bi-lingual native guide who is fluent in the tribe’s language and also your own, so that he can interpret for you. (Catch-22 right there: nobody ever met this tribe before; okay, so let’s just stipulate that we kidnapped a volcano native, preferably a youth, and brought him back to our college, he quickly learned our language, now he is ready to be our interpreter, and we return with him to the volcano to start our field trip….)

            Step #2: We take out our notebooks and pencils (this is the middle of the last century) and, with the asisstance of our youthful native interpretor, we get the natives to speak a bunch of utterances. Based on the meaning of these utterances, we start to catalogue the phonemes of the language.
            For example, the natives say “aga huka” to mean “Here is my dog.” but they say “aga kuka” to mean “Here is my cat.”
            Based on this, we can deduce there are 2 separate consonantal phonemes “h” versus “k”. (Rhyming words are the best ever for separating phonemes versus allophones, therefore you should try to get your natives to recite some rhyming poetry, if possible.)

            Next, a kindly old native woman offers 2 utterances: “aga vuka” to mean “Here is my parrot”, but then she says “agan bukan” to mean “Here ARE my PARROTS” (plural)

            Aha! From this, we can now decude 2 things (1) -an is some kind of plural ending (but let’s leave that aside for the graduate student who will arrive later to do the morphological analysis, as we are currently focusing on the phonological catalogue; and, more importantly (2) “b” and “v” are NOT 2 separate consonantal phonemes. They are one and the same phoneme, just pronounced slightly differently, based apparently on what sound follows them. “v” appears to be the main form of the phoneme, but whenever “v” follows the sound “n”, it becomes pronounced as “b”.
            Therefore, the sound “b” is not a phoneme in its own right, but simply an allophone of “v”.

            (Before trumpeting this finding to the world, we must of course do more research and get more examples. It could turn out that “v” becomes “b” after ANY nasal sound, not just “n”. Or, we could have made a false assumption, just based on one example.)

            So skip forward a year or so, our trained anthropologist has now published his thesis on the phonology of the language of the volcano people, Imagine that he discovered this is a consonant-heavy language: It has 45 consonantal phonemes! But only 2 vocalic phonemes “a” and “u”. The world is impressed.

            And that’s how it goes, and how the sounds of various languages over the centuries have been catalogued by trained anthropologists, philologists, and phonologists.
            Because this is a field that is best done by experts.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              The English phoneme that Russians find hard to master is the one that you hear in such words as “ship”, “hit” and “bit” and represented by the Latin letter “i” and by the phonetic symbol /ɪ/.

              Russians almost invariably pronounce that sound as “ee”, which is the one represented by their vowel “и”, something that intrigues me, for /ɪ/ is close to the pronunciation of ы in my opinion.

              So Russians very, very often say “heat” instead of “hit”; “beat” instead “bit” and “keep feet” instead of “keep fit”etc.

              I remember once a kid asking me for a “least” of paper. Two errors here: firstly he was confusing the Russian word for “sheet” in this context, namely лист (/li:st/), with the English word “list”, which he wrongly pronounced as “least”.

              So I told him the word he need was “sheet”.

              He was shocked and said he couldn’t repeat it because it was “rude”.

              You see: “shit” – “sheet” (/ʃɪt/ – /ʃi:t/).

              Which reminds me of when my Scots pal and I were basking in the sunshine on his balcony one summer and boozing. He’d just hung up his bed sheets to dry after having washed them, when a pigeon flew by and crapped on one in passing, which action resulted in big green stain across his freshly washed bed linen. So my pal jumped up and shouted: “Shit! A fucking pigeon has just shat on my sheet!”

              His future wife, a certain Galina, was in the kitchen and overheard his utterance. She spoke very good English and told us that she would remember that expression as a good example of the difference in pronunciation between /ɪ/ and /i:/.

      • marknesop says:

        My wife always told me to put a pencil crosswise under my tongue, and say “e”. Obviously you could not do that in conversation, it would change the sound of all other letters, but just to demonstrate the way that letter is supposed to sound and demonstrate to you that you are capable of making it.

      • et Al says:

        I have often noticed how my fellow countrymen from the south of England (those who like to think that only they “correctly” speak the “Queen’s English”) almost invariably pronounce ы as “-ee-” [/i:/], therefore saying what sounds like “me” (as in “Give me a drink”) for мы, which word means “we” in Russian.

        Yup. That’s exactly how the posh English girls in my Russian class spoke. It would make me involuntarily rub my forehead every time they did it. Inside, I was crying.

        I would describe pronouncing ‘ы’ as a very similar action to that feeling and action when you are swallowing.

  26. et Al says:

    Now this is how a civilised western country deals with its own war crimes. First, hide all the evidence for decades and then stonewall until most of the claimants have died off!

    The British Government, at the forefront of international human rights, except for their own abuses!

    The Independent: Mau Mau uprising: Kenyans still waiting for justice join class action over Britain’s role in the emergency
    Thousands of elderly people claim mistreatment, rape and torture by colonial forces

    Kenya’s Mau Mau emergency is still raging more than 50 years since hostilities ceased. The full breadth of the misdeeds inflicted on countless Kenyan men and women suspected of subversive activities against the white settlers and colonial forces still remains the subject of contentious struggle. Thousands of elderly Kenyans, who claim mistreatment, rape and torture by British colonial forces during the Mau Mau uprising, have launched a £200m damages claim against the UK Government.

    The High Court action represents the final chance for justice for some 40,000 Kenyans, many of whom are in their seventies and eighties, and will dwarf a case settled last year by 5,000 victims of torture under British rule for £19.9m…

    …The legal claim is being strongly contested by the Government, despite a formal admission last year by William Hague, the then Foreign Secretary, that Kenyans suffered “torture and other forms of ill-treatment” at the hands of a colonial dministration put in place by London.

    But in the face of the current litigation, the Foreign & Commonwealth Office is denying all liability, arguing it cannot be held responsible in law for the actions of Kenya’s colonial government and its agents.

    In a bid to isolate rebels, who were also guilty of multiple atrocities, the Kenyan authorities declared a state of emergency in consultation with London in 1952. More than a million Kikuyu were placed in camps and “protected villages”, since described as little better than gulags or concentration camps designed to punish the ethnic group as a whole.

  27. Terje says:

    The 2008 Financial Crisis Nearly Bankrupted the Ukrainian Army
    Kiev’s military had trouble keeping the lights on—literally
    View at

    ”According to the authors, the reason the 2008 crisis hit the Ukrainian military especially hard is due to a quirk in how the army is funded—heavily through selling off gobs of surplus Soviet vehicles and weapons. In effect, the Ukrainian military was one of the world’s biggest junkyard businesses.

    Not all of Ukraine’s military received funding this way. Kiev splits its budget into two pieces—a general fund and a special fund. The general fund comes from taxes and pays for most government services. The special fund comes from privatizing old, state-owned assets.

    The military relies most on the general fund—like most Ukrainian institutions—but relies more on the special fund than most do.
    This made sense considering the country’s post-Cold War history. The army had a lot of equipment it didn’t need. In 2001, Ukraine had nearly 4,000 tanks and more than 4,600 armored fighting vehicles. There were more than 3,700 artillery guns. More than 1,000 planes and helicopters and dozens of warships. Not to mention buildings, bases and all kinds of equipment.

    The overwhelming majority of it was unneeded, unused and falling apart. And this is because the Ukrainian military was—and still is—a massive Soviet-era machine in a country much too poor and disorganized to use more than a fraction of itself.
    In 2008, the pro-NATO government of Prime Minister Yulia Timoshenko ordered a major reform of the military, with defense spending to increase sharply the following year—paid for by surplus arms sales funneled into the special fund.
    If it all went according to plan, the army would be smaller, readier and have better equipment. Plus, the reform would begin shifting forces to the east to defend against a hypothetical future Russian invasion—a threat made deadly clear after the 2008 war between Russia and Georgia.

    These steps would also help move Ukraine on track toward securing NATO membership. Crucially, the military would reform its command and control systems. Later that year, the financial crisis hit.

    The military went broke practically overnight. Expecting the budget to increase by one-third in 2009, the military budget actually collapsed from to $1.54 billion to $1.23 billion. In 2010, the budget dropped to $1.1 billion. Most of the decline came from unexpected shortages in the special fund.
    As one could imagine, the frequency of training exercises also fell. In 2008, the Ukrainian army conducted 10,773 small arms firing exercises. In 2009, the number fell to 1,556. In 2008, the army carried out 939 exercises from the squad up to the brigade level. In 2009, there is no data at all. In 2010, the total was a mere 115 exercises.

    Training with ground vehicles was hit worst of all—because the army couldn’t afford fuel. The average number of flight hours per fighter pilot fell by half.The result is that Ukrainian pilots entered the 2014 war with badly degraded skills. Few were qualified to fly at night or in bad weather or to carry out strikes against ground targets. The result has been errant bombs that hurt civilians.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      In effect, the Ukrainian military was one of the world’s biggest junkyard businesses.

      You can say that again!

      See: Ukraine’s abandoned tank graveyard, 3 March, 2014.

      Note the spin in the Mail headline:

      Perhaps they should have held on to them: Hundreds of rusting tanks abandoned in secret Ukrainian depot unveiled as Russia’s armoured vehicles line its streets

      Whose streets are those Russian tanks lining? – Those in Donbas?

      It doesn’t say. And there is no mention of Russian tanks lining streets in the article either.

      Furthermore, the Mail makes a big deal about “Pavel” discovering the depot near Kharkov after spending months tracking it down.


      The existence of such dumps was common knowledge. If you check on Google, you’ll see that those pictures in the article were taken in 2012. Furthermore, that shithouse who runs the blog “English Russia”, which specializes in showing what a dump Russia is, has over recent years shown similar pictures together with many others of abandoned Soviet plants and of Chernobyl, of which irradiated, abandoned town photographs seem to appear on that nauseous site almost on a weekly basis.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      The result has been errant bombs that hurt civilians

      whom they had no intention of hurting at all, but the cowardly Russian insurgents were using them as a human shield, just as the Nazis used to do in fact, which makes a mockery of the Moskaly claim that Ukrainian pure Slavs and inheritors of “Kievan Rus” are fascists…blah, blah, blah

      • marknesop says:

        Yes, I thought the same – if you believe your pilots are poorly trained and thereby pose an increased risk to the civilian population, then you don’t send them to bomb cities, which you should not be doing in the first place since a bomb is a non-discriminatory weapon, and that decision goes straight to the top and even outside the country to Kiev’s western handlers.

  28. Warren says:

  29. yalensis says:

    Continuation of Oleynik/sports thread:

    At Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) in Austin, Texas yesterday, unexpectedly, Alexey Oleynik (ethnic Ukrainian, but representing Russian Federation) defeated American contender Jared Rosholt in the heavyweight decision, by knocking him unconscious in the first round.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        What skill!

        Such finesse!


      • PvMikhail says:

        He is like Fyodor Yemelyanenko… Look at the humble “celebration” at the end. This is how Russians do it. For Russia and for God, true orthodox believers. Look at those idiots in Britain and America how they talk trash all the time before the fights and how the winner celebrates even a split decision. This is the difference, which the Americans will never understand. This sport is about who is better, but it is not about humiliate the opponent. Just like in real World, we should live together next to each other and the goal is not the humiliation of any country.

    • marknesop says:

      Urah!! Congratulations, Alexey!!

      That’s an extremely violent sport that really ought to be discontinued. People sustain serious head injuries that frequently result in permanent brain damage, and nobody should be induced to take the risk of being a vegetable for life by the lure of a big cash prize. Make them fight in a spelling bee, or name the capital cities of every state in a large country. There’s no rule that brainy people have to be noodle-thin nerds, you can be all bulked up with layers of muscle and still be smart.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        I agree, but it seems the Evil One is a big fan of it. Remember how he got heckled by the crowd a few years ago when he stepped into the ring to congratulate the contenders?

      • Jen says:

        It’s an odd sport where participants don’t have to wear head or mouth protection and blows to the head are considered legal but blows below the waist and above the knees are definitely considered … low blows.

  30. yalensis says:

    On the oil refinery front:
    The intertubes are all abuzz with this video, showing a hostile take-over (literally) of an oil refinery plant in Odessa.

    Goons reporting to the new owner (=Igor Kolomoisky) storm the factory, break the glass, drag out fhe goons reporting to previous owner (=Mark Epstein).

    As internet commenters say: “Hey, whatever happened to the so-called Gentlemen’s Agreement among Jewish oligarchs, that they wouldn’t raid each others factories?”

    In the video there is even some slapstick: Check out the bit at 0:23 seconds in, where the Kolomoisky goon tries to do his own Parkour over the flower-pot and falls flat on his face – LOL!

    • marknesop says:

      I don’t understand – isn’t this just what happens every day in a peaceful and prosperous, western-leaning market democracy? Oh, wait, I know – it would never have happened if not for the presence of Russian special forces troops in the country!

      I’m sure the EU is remarking these incidents and weighing the strategic benefits of seizing Ukraine against the scale of sheer thievery that goes on in its prospective acquisition.

  31. Moscow Exile says:

    The Great Lord Biden, plenipotentiary to the Almighty Lord From Over The Water, Master of the World and Universe, gets ready to depart the Hallowed Halls of Rus’:

    but first returns his ever faithful lackey Lyashko with goodies that Lord Biden has instructed him to buy for his lowly peasant arse-licking companions

    Шо..опять печенюшки в пакетах? [What the…packets of cookies again?] they cry out in overjoyed unison as Lyashko enters the room, beaming as he clutches Lord Biden’s generous gift, but says not a word.

    And still there’s more to come, as another underling bustles into the room bearing more Lord Biden goodies…

    And lo! Wonders never cease – for from the bounteous hand of Lord Biden are arrived not cookies, but real Ukrainian treats: vareniki, no less, from a take-away on the square!!!

    Heavens be praised! And God bless America and the good Lord Biden!

    And what’s this? Olivye – that salad so beloved by the Moskali!

    Behold! We now eat even as they! All praise to Lord Biden!

    Rejoice, ye who were sired from Cossack loins!

    Enjoy it while it lasts!

    Slava Ukraini!

  32. Moscow Exile says:

    Порошенко посетит чешский форум, как президент страны-победительницы во Второй мировой

    Poroshenko to visit a Czech forum in the capacity of a president of a victorious in WWII country

    In January 2015, in the capacity of a president of victorious WWII country, the President of the Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, is to take part in the celebration of the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp, said Ukraine Minister of Foreign Affairs, Pavlo Klimkin.

    However, the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said that Kiev is pretty concerned about the statements of Milos Zeman that accept as a fact that the Crimea is Russian territory, which belief is contrary to the those of the Ukrainian authorities. Klimkin also expressed the hope that “the opinion of the Czech leader does not coincide with the opinion of ordinary Czech citizens”.

    To the commemorative events over the occasion of the liberation of Auschwitz were invited representatives of the victorious countries of the Second World War: Russia, the USA, the UK, France, the Ukraine and Israel.

    It is still unclear whether a decision will be made by the organizers of this meeting, as well as the one that will follow it, to invite representatives of the Ukraine, as at the time of the Second World War a country called the Ukraine did not exist, the Ukrainian SSR being then part of the USSR. And if Poroshenko was invited as a representative of a Soviet Union republic, then it remains a mystery why at the meeting there were no representatives from other USSR republics. Of course, the decision of the organizers can be regarded as a political one, but the Ukrainian Minister confirmed that between Poroshenko and Zeman there still exist disagreements on various issues, especially the one concerning the ownership of the Crimea Peninsula.

    I wonder on which front or fronts the Israeli armed forces served during WWII?

    Was there an Israeli army during WWII?

    • Brandon says:

      Ugh, that is beyond disgusting. Russia is the legal inheritor of the USSR, meaning all the good and the bad. Russia took on the debts of every single Republic when they left, giving them a clean slate from which to start (and look at the “wonders” Ukraine did with that). Russia also tended to the many decaying projects of the USSR and had to dispose of dangerous elements from the Republics, free of charge of course. Because Russia saddled all this responsibility (and more) Russia is the sole inheritor of the USSR’s global commitments and legacy, and this hound Poroshenko has the nerve to politicize something so important to the people liberated there and to the combined Soviet forces that sacrificed so much to achieve that victory. I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few years Russia is not even invited to these ceremonies and is replaced totally by the “good slavs” in Ukraine, and history is rewritten to show how only the Ukrainian troops fought to free Europe and were constantly dragged down by Russians.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        “… history is rewritten to show how only the Ukrainian troops fought to free Europe and were constantly dragged down by Russians.

        There are plenty of Yukie bloggers who have been suggesting that for a while now. A favourite meme of theirs is that the majority of the Red Army generals were Ukrainians.

        • kirill says:

          Rather contradictory to the worship of their national hero Bandera. Good “slav” Ukrainians could not have been fighting for Hitler and against him at the same time. The narrative is getting so contorted with lies it is now a total joke.

      • marknesop says:

        Well said. If Russia is no longer invited to such events, it will in the end be a small price to pay to be free of the west’s endless foolishness and self-promotion. It’s curious to see European countries and the USA embrace their old enemies Germany, Japan and Italy, whilst resolutely turning against one of their previously most loyal allies. The secret seems to lie in who will allow themselves to be dominated and directed, and who will not. It has absolutely nothing to do with who has apologized for past misdeeds.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          Well they always churn out the excuse that “Russia” (it’s always “Russia” and the “Russians” who are the guilty parties) has never apologized for its crimes. That’s why the Ukraine was one of the three to oppose the Russian resolution concerning the glorification of fascism – Russia hadn’t apologized for Stalin yet.

          Their argument over Russia’s refusal to apologize falls flat on its face with Japan though. And I was reading recently that historical revision is well under way as regards that matter in that there are some revisionists putting forward that the “Rape of Nanking” has been blown up out of all proportion.

          Nanking Massacre denial

          David vs. Goliath: Resisting the Denial of the Nanking Massacre

          World Perceptions on the Rape of Nanking

          • kirill says:

            Is Russia supposed to apologize to Banderite slime for their fictional “Holodomor”? The one that all of western Ukraine (the heart of Bandera love) did not live through? The one which supposedly killed off all of the original people in the Donbas who were replaced by Russian squatters. How come Albania does not apologize for its squatters in Kosovo? How come Israel does not apologize for the settlement of Palestine?

            USA, Canada and Ukraine a team of shit.

          • Jen says:

            Historical revision of its participation in WW2 is not just well under way in Japan, it has been a permanent though secret part of Japan’s cultural landscape. That partly explains why Japan and Russia can’t agree over the status of the Kuril Islands – Japan wants the four southern islands back and is not prepared to negotiate over their status: it’s all or nothing. This is in spite of Russia’s offer some years ago to split the islands.

            Incidentally Japan has disputes with South Korea and China over various small islands so the dispute over the southern Kurils is a symptom of a larger problem for Japan in accepting its place in Asia and owning up to its war crimes.

            • kirill says:

              This is just the sort of crusader self-righteousness that afflicts the west. I can see why Japan crawled up Unlce Sam’s ass after WWII, it saved itself from facing the consequences of its actions and its elites were worried their heads would roll. Part and parcel of the self-righteousness is the victim complex. They actually believe that they were a big time victim during WWII. Total BS, except for the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The latter makes the supplication of the Japanese elites to Washington even more obscene.

  33. Moscow Exile says:

    From RT:

    Germany’s FM, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, has said he is against Ukraine joining NATO. In an interview with Der Spiegel, he said he considers “that it is possible for NATO to have a partnership with Ukraine, but not membership”.

    He also added that he does not believe it is realistic for Ukraine to join the European Union in the foreseeable future, as the economic and political modernization of Ukraine is a “project for a few generations”.

    Readjustment of goals?

    Cutting one’s losses?

    • et Al says:

      Cutting one’s losses?

      Or cutting one’s cheese? 😉

      I’m in full waggestry this evening!

    • marknesop says:

      A little of both, I think. I believe Steinmeier is secretly ashamed of Ukraine’s behavior, and would like to support it in its goals if only they would act like what they really desired was democracy and freedom rather than a realignment of power among rival thieves.

    • kirill says:

      These crack smoking retards were still hoping that Russia was going to keep on feeding Ukraine like before. Recall the appeal to Russia to do this from some high ranked German using the argument that it is in Russia’s interests to have a stable Ukraine. It is apparent that a stable Ukraine in not in NATO’s interests. Why the f*ck should Russia pay for NATO’s aggression against itself.

  34. Moscow Exile says:

    And there’s more from Spiegel:

    Putin’s Reach: Merkel Concerned about Russian Influence in the Balkans

    It is not easy for the German government to counteract the Russian offensive. “We can’t become party to a bidding war”, says Michael Roth, a state minister in the Foreign Ministry. “We have to continually make it clear to the Balkan states that accession to the EU is in their interests.”

    Now where have I heard that claim before?

    Oh yeah: Timoshenko’s release from prison was non-negotiable: her liberation was imperative.

    Yanukovich decides to accept the Russian terms for joining the Eurasian customs union and, of course, which include an extremely generous financial help package and gas dirt cheap to pull the Ukraine out of the shithole that it had allowed its oligarch thieves to dig, and Yanukovich tells Europe that the EU association deal is off.

    “All right then”, comes the reply from the EU, “the bitch stays put behind the slammer” and they proceed to up their ante.

    But this was no bidding, mind you!

    The Balkans and German relations with it have had a sad history. The Germans gave the Austrians a blank cheque as regards their tacit support if the Austro-Hungarian Empire decided to deal once and for all with those troublesome regicide and terrorist organizing Serbs in 1914.

    It all kicked off in Sarajevo.

    And in 1919, after Versailles, the Germans felt so seriously butt hurt at having lost their near certain opportunity of being European top dog during the 20th century, that they had another go at achieving mastery over Europe and played va banque in 1939.

    They lost again – totally – and accepted defeat unconditionally in 1945.

    Seventy years later, Berlin is getting concerned about the Balkans again and “Russian expansionism” there.

    • kirill says:

      When Russia was liberating the Balkans from the Ottoman yoke the UK was very concerned as well. This is the main reason why Constantinople is called Istanbul today. I am sure the Greeks appreciate the UK “help” to save them from Russian “expansionism”. The Greeks are already appreciating the German austerity foisted on them and will just love more German meddling. Funny how the Bulgarians have a statue of the Czar in charge of Russia when they were liberated from the Turks. I wonder why they have not toppled it. You would think they would resent Russian “expansionism”.

      Anyway, western Europe has shown its 1000+ year old horns once again (it did so during the 1990s rape of Yugoslavia). Any notion that Russia could peacefully coexist with these scumbags is fading fast. Europeans have been screwing over the world for the last 500 years and they think they can keep at it forever. Russia needs lots of nuclear missiles with all the latest MIRVed maneuverable warheads. MAD is the only thing that restrains the west.

      • cartman says:

        Borisov is a NATO stooge whose sole mission is to block South Stream. He could give fuck all about the biggest problem the country faces (high utility costs) because Western firms already own most utilities and squeeze the rates.

        • et Al says:

          He’s comes from a class of people that I call ‘autof*ckists‘ who practice the art of Autof*ckistry*, i.e. someone who will f*ck his own people’s future for his own ego. Lots of them about unfortunately.

          * Not related to anything produced by Kraftwerk.

      • et Al says:

        Waterloo Place:

        From the link:

        “The Crimean War Memorial is situated on Waterloo Place, at the junction of Lower Regent Street and Pall Mall in London, It was originally unveiled in 1859, and cast in bronze from cannons captured at the siege of Sebastopol. The sculptor was John Bell.”

  35. Moscow Exile says:

    Here’s the Steinmeier -Spiegel interview:

    Auseinandersetzung im Bündnis: Steinmeier gegen Nato-Mitgliedschaft der Ukraine

    In a video clip insert there is a Spiegel version of events this past year in the Ukraine. The Spiegel tale runs as follows:

    1. Peaceful protests on the Maidan against Yanukovich corruption.

    2. Violence erupts when Yanukovich says no to EU association.

    3. Protesters addressed by faction leaders that include extremists.

    4. Government buildings torched.

    5. Police shoot protesters.

    6. Berkut responsible for deaths.

    7. Extremists take on Berkut, adapting role of defenders of protesters.

    8. Yanukovich deposed, Timoshenko freed.

    9. Russia occupies the Crimea with troops and annexes the peninsula.

    10. Factions in E. Ukraine occupy government buildings.

    11. Kiev attempts to prevent secession of E.Ukraine.

    12. Russian military convoys enter the Ukraine; Russian paratroopers found in the Ukraine (map shows place where paras found as being far from the frontier, near Poltava). The presence of other Russian troops in the Ukraine explained by claiming that they were taking vacation there.

    13. Fighting in East intensifies. HR observers says civilians killed by government forces as a result of inaccurate bombing, whereas the separatists have murdered and tortured prisoners.

    14. MH17. No one knows who is responsible, but on the day the Malaysian aircraft was downed separatists at first claimed that they had shot down a transport aeroplane.

    15. Porky elected president.

    16. Sanctions imposed on Russia.

    17. Peace in the West, on the Maidan, where they had been fighting for democracy, but in the East the fighting continues.


    Wicked, wicked Moskali!

    That’s as much as I remember after having only watched the video once.

    Absolutely no mention of the referendum in the Crimea, of the fact that there was already, and legally, a Russian garrison there, and that the vast majority Crimeans voted for secession.

    No mention either of referenda in E. Ukraine. And certainly no mention of extremists’ incursions into E.Ukraine from almost the word go; of Kolomoisky and others’ private “battalions” of fascists; of Banderites, of the open support and adulation of fascists in Galicia and the Western provinces; of the Western Ukrainians’ immediate attempt after the ousting of Yanukovich from the rada to make the Russian language “unofficial” in the east.

    A very, very, much doctored account of events in the Ukraine this past year.

    • kirill says:

      I have noticed this trend over the last 30 years in the western media. The revisionism of history happens in real time. They do not even wait for the media consumers to forget. This indicates that the average media consumer is a brain dead retard who cannot remember what happened two days ago.

      The mere fact that the boiler plate characterization of a “people power revolution” overthrowing “dictator” Yanukovich was accepted says it all about the level of the western masses. They will lap up whatever shit their governments and media dishes out to them. Sorry, but ignorance or “can’t be bothered to pay attention” is not an excuse. If you do not care enough to notice the events in Ukraine, then you should not care enough to get your panties in a bunch over it now or any other period of time. The only conclusion from the media consumer response to the two bit propaganda, is that the consumer wants to hear such fairy tales. It is all infotainment. Simple things for simple minds.

      • et Al says:

        This indicates that the average media consumer is a brain dead retard

        I beg to disagree here. I think most media consumers rank what is going on in their day-to-day life as a lot more important that what they read going on far away about which there is nothing you can do. When do people go no the streets and protestst? Under fairly extreme circumstances, unless you are French… In modern democracies, the voter has been taught, and blindly accepts that once you have voted in your government and opposition, then Foreign Policy is solely in their hands until the next elections. Every now and then, i.e. quite rarely, people stop believing this, but it is still rare.

        • kirill says:

          I would love to have faith in the masses. But they are being dragged to war and none of them are resisting. Yes, there are people with a brain and awareness, but they are an irrelevant minority in a sea of sheeple.

          • PvMikhail says:

            True enough. People are idiotic enough to talk about things they don’t know. They like to occupy the moral high ground and talk about savage terrorists. They don’t have enough information. They don’t think clear enough to comprehend the web of interests behind certain happenings. And if somebody knows enough and bothers to correct them, they label him as “conspirators” or “biased”, even “brain-washed”, but in general, they are brain-washed. But in the end: who cares? – says the public, until cheap commodities are available.

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