Alexei Bayer Dips a Toe Into the Gene Pool

Uncle Volodya says, "Bullshit is unavoidable whenever circumstances require someone to talk without knowing what he is talking about. Thus the production of bullshit is stimulated whenever a person’s obligations or opportunities to speak about some topic are more excessive than his knowledge of the facts that are relevant to that topic."

Uncle Volodya says, “Bullshit is unavoidable whenever circumstances require someone to talk without knowing what he is talking about. Thus the production of bullshit is stimulated whenever a person’s obligations or opportunities to speak about some topic are more excessive than his knowledge of the facts that are relevant to that topic.”

You all remember Alexei Bayer, right? The “native Muscovite” – which I suppose is technically true although he left the land of his birth while a teenager and moved to the Land Of Opportunity, where he is now an economist living in New York.  For an economist he seems to have an awful lot of free time to write about subjects other than economics, which he does prolifically, for authoritative sources such as The Moscow Times and The Kyiv Post.

Not content with dominating merely two fields, however, he has recently sundered the surly bonds of academia and branched out into genealogy. Making his DNA debut in The Kyiv Post, Alexei solves the mystery of why the rascally Moskali are so scornful of Ukrainians – the true nobility of Eastern Europe. Hold onto your hats, folks; this is big.

Most Russians are not Slavs at all, but descendants of the Finno-Ugric tribes. Lyosha does not advance that theory himself – relying instead on some “recent study” which he does not cite – but he is happy to pass it along as credible. That’s his job.

He hastens to soothe that it doesn’t really matter where you’re from; bloodlines are not important in people the way they are in horses or dogs, and Russians don’t have to hate on Ukrainians because Russians are not real Slavs and Ukrainians are. They should get with the times and acknowledge that nationality has always been a matter of self-identification. Remember that astonishing statement, because you’ll be hearing it again.

First, though, let’s put that startling discovery on hold for a moment, and go back to the beginning; where is Lyosha getting his core tenet – that Russians exhibit “disdain” for Ukrainians? Since, as best I can make out, the situation is completely reversed?

Remember, you’re Olenka; if you want to be called Alyona, you have to pack your bags and go to Moscowexhorts west-Ukrainian mental patient Irina Farion, guardian of the purity of the Ukrainian language, speaking to a child in nursery school who looks to be about four years old. The former member of the Soviet Communist Party and one-time member of the Ukrainian Parliament (from Lviv Oblast, ground zero for Russian hatred and Bandera worship in Ukraine) found her groove as a disciple of Nazi enabler Stepan Bandera and a hater of everything Russian. Responding to a report of arrested protesters in Kharkiv, in eastern Ukraine, Farion said, “I would act much tougher; I would just shoot them. The enemy reigns in our land. These parasites deserve only one thing – death”.  Hear that, Alexei – or should I call you “Oleksandr”? That means you, too. Now might be a good time for you to exercise that self-identification you spoke of, and declare yourself Ukrainian born. Lucky for you the wheels are coming off her wagon and she now sees little Kremlin agents snorkeling in her soup.

Meanwhile, social change was proceeding apace on its own before nutjobs decided to hijack the language issue and ride it into battle. In 1990-91, 48% of schoolchildren nationwide were receiving instruction in the Ukrainian language.  A decade later the percentage was 73.5%.

Fellow Ukrainian government psycopath Arsen Avakov said on television that Kiev should have bombed the  Regional Administration Building in Donetsk when protesters seized it. Nobody from the west said “Shut your mouth, Avakov, protesters have every right to be there”, the way they did during the Glorious Maidan, when Angela Merkel moaned that protesters must be granted a warm room in which they could wind down from the chilly excitement of protesting (thus excusing their occupation of government buildings where they did thousands of dollars worth of damage), and to use as their “logistical base” from which to plan their next move. See how it works? When it’s a group of hairbags who have the west’s backing because what they want to do serves western interests, the crying towel comes out. When that’s not the case, the state is perfectly within its right to suppress dissent.

Where was all that flannel about self-identification, Lyosha, when the people of the eastern Ukraine identified themselves as a distinct society that would not be subject to Kiev’s orders, and would use its language of choice to the extent it chose, although it wished to remain an autonomous republic of Ukraine?

In the world of hate-twisted western bootlicker and useless popinjay Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the U.S. State Department’s hand-picked Prime Minister of Ukraine, it was the USSR that invaded peaceful Nazi Germany. You can only imagine the  collective gasp from the world if Vladimir Putin had so blithely rewritten history on international television. After Yatsenyuk’s reversal of history everyone knows to be correct…crickets.

And Russia’s reaction? Mild official complaints, and an  offer to extend Ukraine’s gas discount for an additional three months, to a country which publicly and regularly vilifies Russia, screams that it is being cheated and refuses to pay its debts. In fact, Lyosha, I challenge you publicly – come on this forum and provide examples of Russia’s “disdain for Ukraine”. Don’t even bother to try on that “Putin said Ukraine is not even a real country”, either, because he didn’t ever say that and the only evidence you will find is westerners who claim to have heard him say it, just like that lying Polish sausage Radek Sikorski said Putin offered to split Ukraine with Poland. “Russia’s attitude to Ukraine and things Ukrainian reflects deeply ingrained imperial complexes, revealing that, while the Soviet Empire collapsed in 1991, the Russian Empire still lingers in the minds of the citizens of the Russian Federation”. That so, Alexei? Explain how, and give examples.

In fact, it is NATO that continued in decades past to aggressively expand its empire, and shouted its right to push right up against the face of Russia itself.

Back to Alexei’s startling discovery that Russians are mostly not even Slavs, which makes ridiculous the notion that Russians and Ukrainians could be “brother Slavs”.

Both “modern Russian” and Ukrainian, as well as Byelorussian, are descended from Common Slavonic or Proto-Slavonic, a language that is itself descended from Indo-European, and which was developed and spoken by the Slavic Tribes after their separation from the Indo-European Tribes. The three languages mentioned at the beginning of the paragraph originated as mutually intelligible dialectal forms, and remain so. Common Slavonic is also referred to as “Old Russian”. From this language there was a further split, into modern Russian, Ukrainian and Byelorussian, spoken by the group identified as Eastern Slavs. Although written Ukrainian emerged in 988, it was not recognized as a language until 1906. Byelorussian was not recognized as a distinct language until after the Russian revolution of 1917.

Every modern study places the Russian and Ukrainian people among the East Slavs, along with the Byelorussians, as reflected in the common root of their present languages. The Finno-Ugric natives in Russia were already there, and were either pushed out or assimilated by the Russian expansion. Doubtless some common roots remain – examples are the present-day Yakut and Udmurt people, although of those only the Udmurt are of Finno-Ugric descent. The Udmurt number only about 1.5 million in a nation of 144 million. Alexei Bayer is full of shit. I would be remiss if I did not point out that the Udmurt in Russia have their own Republic, flag, anthem and coat of arms within Russia.

“Vladimir Putin recently declared that Ukrainians and Russians are “one folk” – meaning, of course, that Ukrainians are Russian. An extraordinary number of his countrymen share this belief. Imagine a prime minister of the United Kingdom insisting that Americans are not a nation but merely Brits with funny accents.” Increasingly bizarre extrapolations from this serial prevaricator. The painstaking research of hundreds of academics suggests if not proves that Russians and Ukrainians are indeed “one folk” – the suggestion that this means Ukrainians are Russians was never offered by Putin, and you can thank Bayer and Bayer alone, the economist/writer/geneticist, for the spurious interpretation. Putin likewise did not ever say that Ukraine was not a nation, and this is merely more of Bayer’s barefaced lying.

Everyone knows who the native Americans are, and there are damned few of them left. He could have picked a better example, considering Russia mostly assimilated the native populations of lands which currently form the Russian Federation, and many still retain their language and elements of their culture. Can one say the same of the Comanche, Apache, Pawnee and Blackfoot tribes?

Winding up this broadside of bullshit, following a brief discourse on “what actually matters in the modern world” according to Alexei the Globetrotting Philosopher, is his hallmark hypothesis that “The Russian Empire is in its death throes”. Bla, bla, fucking bla, how many times have we heard this? Alexei Bayer has been forecasting the “death of the Russian Empire”, whatever that is, for almost 10 years now. Just as well Jimi Hendrix didn’t spend so long in his death throes – he might have lived to write disco.

This specious flattery of the Ukrainians at the expense of the Russians is all of a piece with the western effort to drive a wedge of hate between Russians and Ukrainians that can never be removed. If it continues, the west may well end up with nothing but a tiny piece of what was once Ukraine, populated by Nazi-worshipers with a sense of entitlement the size of the Dubai Shopping Mall, who will expect to be given everything for free in exchange for their steadfast clinging to a fanatic’s ideology. It would be well to remember this sentiment is not shared at the state level by any Russians, nor by most Ukrainians. It is a narrow and western-driven viewpoint that, as usual, serves western foreign policy interests. On the one side, centuries of academic research demonstrating our very best conclusions as questing, curious knowledge seekers that Ukrainians and Russians descend from the same ethnic group, and that origin is neither Ukrainian or Russian. On the other, Alexei Bayer with his oleaginous tapestry of twaddle, the Ukrainian junta of fascists, oligarchs and strategically-injected foreigners, and the western political and business lobby.

You pays your money, and you takes your chances.

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812 Responses to Alexei Bayer Dips a Toe Into the Gene Pool

  1. davidt says:

    Here is what seems to be a good general reference concerning the various theories regarding the demise of MH17:
    PS I liked your discourse, though Mr. Bayer and his ilk never lose any money.

  2. rymlianin says:

    Another case of someone who should never be allowed near the gene pool.

    • marknesop says:

      Indeed. Mr. Bayer knows better, but he is doing his part as a loyal servant of American foreign policy by exploiting divisions between Ukrainians and Russians and trying to ensure they become permanent. Ukrainians should ask themselves, if the western dream of a Ukraine in close partnership with the European Union becomes a reality, how many Europeans are going to want to learn Ukrainian so they can pursue a mutually beneficial business relationship with Ukraine. What is going to be the advantage of language policies which force everyone to speak Ukrainian then?

      • yalensis says:

        “exploiting divisions between Ukrainians and Russians and trying to ensure they become permanent”, yes that is exactly what Mr. Bayer is doing. And boy, are the diaspora cretins gobbling this up!

        (1) First this Zionist propagandist flatters Ukrainians on the purity of their DNA and the ancient origins of their Slavic culture.
        (2) He compares them favorably to the racially impure “mischling” Russian people. Thus encouraging them to hate Russians on racial grounds.
        (3) Next he advises the Ukrainians what they should do with their ethnic purity: They should merge themselves and blend in with the ethnic cosmopolitanism of the benevolent EU. Where an Arab can be a Frenchman, and race and ethnicity don’t matter any more in the glorious New Paradise built by NATO.

        If I didn’t know better, I would have said that Bayer’s piece was actually written by Kevin MacDonald. As a parody.

  3. kirill says:

    What happened to the west’s political correctness on race. How can some f*cking clown engage in spew of the form “they are not truly of (insert race), so they are inferior”?

    We see how western propagandists are desperate for any sort of shit to throw at Russia and are contradicting their own narratives (i.e. racial tolerance) in he process.

    Thanks for another nice piece on yet another member of the Russia pundit zoo.

    • marknesop says:

      Thanks, Kirill! Lyosha is a better writer than I thought he was; he is actually quite good at innuendo, and his twisting of Putin’s statement that the two ethnicities are “one folk” so that it means “Ukrainians are actually Russians” is pure red-rag provocation. He manages to invest everything Putin says with sinister meaning, and milks that “native Muscovite” schtick for all its worth.

      Genealogy and ethnicity are not my field, either, obviously, but I have learned a few things since my last spanking and I know – at least inofar as research by specialist academics knows, since there are rarely any written records that far back, and Ukrainian was not a written language until 988 – that Ukrainians, Russians and Belorussians are all eastern Slavs and not Finno-Ugric. There doubtless are some Finno-Ugrics among Russian Federation citizens, but the notion that the majority of ethnic Russians are Finno-Ugric and not Slavs while Ukrainians are the pure Slav strain is preposterous. According to Wikipedia, there are a little over 2 million Finno-Ugric peoples living in Russia, and 156,000 in Ukraine.

      Wikipedia is only a good quick reference for concentrated information, and not always reliable – I would appreciate commentary from others who know more about the subject.

      • yalensis says:

        Well, Mark, the racists are getting more sophisticated nowadays.
        They don’t talk about “bloodlines” any more, like in Hitler’s time.

        Nowadays they toss around terms like “Y-chromosome”, “haplogroups”, and can even name individual pieces of chromosomes, like “R1a”,which they read all about in wikipedia.
        For example, this commenter on the KyivPost piece (an odious diaspora racist named Tom Tommsen), quotes widely from wiki, his point being that “Russians” are actually Mongols:

        The Mongolian Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroup R1a and its offshoots are very common among Russian men.

        Studies have found the ethnic Russian frequency of R1a ranges from a low of 19.8 percent to as high as 62.7 percent, with an average of 46.7% of Russian men carrying R1a. Russian men carry R1a at a lower frequency (33.4%) than other Russian men (49%). R1a spread throughout many areas of eastern Europe with the migration of members of the Indo-Europeans originating
        from that steppe, possibly following the migration of some of them from West Asia (the northern Middle East). Some specific subgroups of R1a found among ethnic Russians in the “Russia-DNA Project” include R1a1, R1a1a, R1a1a1g, and R1a1a1g2.

        The thing is, this DNA stuff is actually true. Russians ARE mischlings. I mentioned in a previous comment, how my own sister got her DNA tested for LOLz, and she turned out to be quite a mischling indeed. I even thought of sewing her some motley garb.
        A lot of Slav, but also a bit of Mongol, some Baltic/Polish, a bit of Finno-Ugric, a slice of “native American” even (where the heck did THAT come from?), not to mention a kosher chunk of Ashkenazi Jew. Which was also unexpected, and has led to endless teasing.

        Anyhow, Ukrainians are also mischlings, which they would learn, if they would agree to submit themselves to DNA tests. Might humble them a bit to learn the truth about themselves.

        People can be of one ethnicity, gene-wise, but speak the language of another people as their native tongue. All of this is completely normal throughout human history. This is why modern day ethnic Celts speak a Germanic language (=English) as their native tongue.

        I guess what I am trying to say, is that Bayer is actually correct about some of the factual details in his piece. It is what he is attempting to DO with this information, that is odious.
        Namely, training Ukrainians to hate Russians so that the Ukrainians will agree to join NATO. That’s it, in a nutshell.

        • james says:

          thanks yalensis for this informative post.. i agree with you and your conclusion here as well..

        • Ilya says:

          Entirely incorrect about R1a. R1a is likely an indigenous western Eurasian lineage that was indeed spread by Indo-European and Indo-Iranian radiations from the steppe, which is why it reaches extremely high frequencies and shows the highest levels of diversity (suggesting its origins) in Polish, Russian, and Ukrainian men. It is found all over Eurasia (from Norway to India), with the earliest detection in a hunter-gatherer from Karelia ~7kya:

          R1a in Europe

          Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages in Europe

          The Finno-Ugrian paternal lineage in Russia is N1c, which indeed seems to be east Eurasian and function of the absorption of Finno-Ugrians as the Slavs expanded north and east:

          N1c in Europe

          In a west Eurasian, autosomal context, the Finnic peoples are the Siberian-shifted outlier, and Russians are basically plain west Eurasian:

          Genetic Structure of European Russia

          • yalensis says:

            Thanks for correction, Ilya.

            And also for links; genetics and physical anthropology really fascinating fields.
            I can’t even think of any more interesting scientific study than the dispersal of humans across the world.

        • marknesop says:

          Yes, the research mentions that attempts to trace lineage based on a common language does not yield very accurate results. Of course the Russians are not pure Slavs – the further they get from those Indo-European tribes the more mixed and mingled with outside influences they become. But that is equally and perhaps even more true of the Ukrainians.

          • yalensis says:

            Language can be a good indicator of genetic lineage, but only when people stay put and never migrate.

            What is it about us humans, that we like to wander so much?

            • colliemum says:

              It’s not so much “like” as being driven by necessity, especially during prehistoric times: long-time famine, fleeing from being overrun by warlords from other tribes, that sort of thing. IAW: those wanderers are generally (not always!) refugees, fleeing from one natural or political disasters.
              Those not exposed to such catastrophes stay put, especially in rural areas.

          • Jen says:

            From the link in Mark’s April 1 comment:

            ” … Haplogroups J and E (11.7 and 4.2%, respectively) mark the migration patterns of the Middle-Eastern agriculturists during the Neolithic. The presence of the N3 lineage (9.6%) is likely explained by a contribution of the assimilated Finno-Ugric tribes …”

            Blimey, not only do Ukrainians have some of that dreaded barbarous Finno-Ugric ancestry, they even have some J**** and M**** ancestry!

            Elohim gadol! Allahu akbar!

  4. Warren says:

  5. james says:

    i thought one took bayer to get rid of a headache, instead of creating one? not sure why you bother with losers like this mark.. it is like getting caught up in the comments of former us army general robert h. scales comments about killing russians to get some attention.. these losers have such a hopeless grip on reality even while being given a public forum to spew their hate in the typical media outlets that condone this.. these and more are all the visible signs of a decaying exceptional empire that has completely lost it’s moral compass and replaced it with one of indentured servitude to extreme capitalism..

    this same empire of lies continues making wars everywhere ,with no thought of cleaning up the aftermath of it’s burgeoning international mess.. their hands are all over the mayham in ukraine at present, while they provide support for the head chopper saudi royalty with it’s repression of women, while murdering the yemen people for having the audacity to want their own autonomy.. bayer can’t tie two dots together without being caught up in countless lies while being servant to the murderous exceptional empire he wants to further.. i am always shocked idiots like this buffoon are given so much face time, until i see who owns those shitty publications they are given the same exposure.. i hope they die of the exposure as their bullshit is killing me..

    • marknesop says:

      It’s not so much the opponent as the message, and Bayer is very clever at mixing and packaging tropes such as that Russia mocks and ridicules Ukrainians while the European Union regards them as faded nobility and wants to see them be great again. What the EU wants is expanded markets for its goods and leverage against Russia. If Russia is granted the luxury of time it will win, because once Ukraine is taken out of the equation as a transit country for Europe’s gas it will rapidly collapse, and its relevance will cease, while it will be like a drowning man who will take a stick no matter who is at the other end. And for all its purported generosity and benevolence, the EU cannot afford Ukraine. The USA would have to buy it and appoint the EU manager.

      • james says:

        i find the guy impossible to take seriously as his malicious intent stands out from the start.. when someone has so obvious an agenda, one can expect the content to be sprinkled with large doses of arsenic which is indeed the case with his writing.. i was foolish enough to go read his blather at the kiev post and the trail of stupidity in the comment section as well..

  6. Jen says:

    From Alexei Bayer’s article at Kyiv Post:
    ” … Every Russian school kid learns that his country’s history began on the banks of the Dnipro, in Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine … It is as if Americans had decided to trace their history back in the time of William the Conqueror or the War of the Roses …”

    Jeez, Mr Bayer, Australians trace their cultural history back to the arrival of the Angles, the Saxons, the Jutes and the Frisians in England. Should we cut out slabs of history from primary and secondary school textbooks here in case Tony Abbott declares we should invade the UK and claim it as part of Australia?

    ” … Imagine a prime minister of the United Kingdom insisting that Americans are not a nation but merely Brits with funny accents …”

    Ever heard of Cecil Rhodes, Mr Bayer?
    ” … After a serious heart attack in 1877, Rhodes revealed his ideas of British Imperialism when he made his first will. In it, Rhodes called for the settlement of his as-yet-unearned fortune to found a secret society that would extend British rule throughout the world and colonize most parts of it with British settlers, leading to the “ultimate recovery of the United States of America” by the British Empire …”

    @ Mark: The business about Russian ethnic origins is actually just a small part of Bayer’s article in the context of criticising Ukrainian claims to racial purity but the rest of it is tiresome Putin-bashing. Otherwise thanks for another great post.

    BTW I’d hate for Jimi Hendrix to have survived if it had led to writing disco with Prince and Michael Jackson. Good thing you topped off John Lennon when you did 🙂 but maybe you should have taken aim at Paul McCartney instead.

    • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

      Novgorod is older than the whore of all Russian cities anyway.

      • Warren says:

        Kiev was founded by a Novgorod Prince for crying out loud! A fact that Banderites conveniently ignore, whenever they spout their inane “Kiev is older than Moscow” card.

        • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

          These are not people who believe that the truth is something discoverable and existing independently. Kiev ‘officially’ claims to have been founded in 482 AD. By my rough calculations, the only people living there at that time would have been a mishmash of Huns and Avars.

          I’m surprised they don’t just go full retard and claim their date of founding as 138,000 BC.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            I’m surprised they don’t just go full retard and claim their date of founding as 138,000 BC.

            They do!

            Well some do. Some Yukie nutcases do, claiming their forebears spoke the first language from which all other European ones have evolved and that they were the first Christians and city dwellers as well as mammoth slayers. They invented the wheel as well. They did! Honest!

            Winston Churchill out-Putined Putin in great Völkisch Beobachter style though. (Note,by the way, the use of the word “folk”, which Native Muscovite Bayer chose: it cerainly has Nazi connotations. Bayer is a German name, of course, and quite common – not that Lyosha is of the German “Volk”.)

            When Churchill wrote (dictated, really) his turgid tome “The History of the Anglo-Saxon Peoples”, he included in that category the “Americans” – you know: those of the “exceptional nation”, those whose society represents the epitome of human achievement.

            Well he would, wouldn’t he? Churchill’s mother was a US citizen, though mostly schooled and educated in France. Her family name was Jerome: she was of French Huguenot descent.

            Not Anglo-Saxon in my book.

            I am though.

            Anglo-Saxon, I mean.

            Waes hael, you inferior types!


            • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

              Waes yourself, I’m Ukry – and therefore much more Aryaner than thou, stynkard.

              • yalensis says:

                If you wuz a true Aryan, then you would have the noble FASCES symbology in your coat of arms.
                Remember how we wuz lectured about fasces representing noble Aryans not shrinking from committing violence against lesser races?

                Instead, the actual “Svolochenko” coat of arms, represents a cat dragging something (or being dragged) into the cottage late on a rainy night.

                • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

                  Is mysterious. Nobody knows who dragged or being dragged. Keeps lesser races confused.

                • yalensis says:

                  Is so confusing, even Master Race of Übermenschen terribly confused!

                • Jen says:

                  It would be … if what is meant by “look at what the cat dragged in” is actually “look at what the mouse dragged in”, then how should we know if the mouse dragged the cat by its tail or by its head … and how should we know when Ukies use their heads to headbutt mammoths to death, they really do use their heads to headbutt … or butt head … or …. I give up … only Übermenschen (Untermenschen?) can understand this.

                • yalensis says:

                  More fun with etymology:
                  Count Svolochenko’s name is derived from proto-Slavic “s-volok*” (“to drag away”), thus resulting in the word “svoloch” (something that was dragged away, like something the cat dragged away).

                  Also: the Russian word “volokita” , which for some reason means a “Lothario” or “Casanova”, i.e., a man who obsessively courts ladies.
                  I guess the idea is that he drags himself around, or dawdles, while seeking ladies.

                  English “rake” from “rakehell” is the opposite concept: From “race”, “to rush”, i.e., a man who rushes around while seeking ladies. Not completely sure about that etymology, though.

                • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

                  Neither coming nor going.

                  Slayer of women, seducer of mammoths.

                  Wait, is not right. Or is it?

            • Jen says:

              I thought you said yours was one of 17 surnames in Lancashire or wherever that were part of a research study in Viking settlement in northern England.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                Right! The term Anglo-Saxon was coined by Victorians to describe the language of the Germanic tribes that settled in the former Roman Imperial province of Britannia, which had earlier been settled by Celtic peoples, who, it is thought, originated in the Rhine valley. Anyway, modern linguists do not use the term Anglo-Saxon to describe that language in which, for example, the Old English saga Beowulf is written, but Old English, and the term Anglo-Saxon has long taken on a political rather than a linguistic meaning.

                The Old English tongue at the time of the writing of Beowulf is better described as Anglo-Danish and the folk, most particular in the present Midlands and North of England and what are now the Scottish Lowlands as well, as Anglo-Danish – not Danish as in the modern language spoken in Denmark, but as in Old Norse, the tongue of the Vikings and whose closest extant modern version is Icelandic. The Danes for the Old English were the Norsemen, the Vikings whom they fought with and, in the end, came to terms with.

                Where I was born and bred was part of the Danelaw: my dialect and pronunciation is the result of strong Norse influence on the Anglian settlers of former Celtic lands and there are more place names in what was the Danelaw that end in the Norse suffix -by, cognate with -burgh and -brough in Anglian and Saxon Old English and – burg in Modern German, than there are in present day Sweden.

                Waes hael!

            • marknesop says:

              According to his own account, although he is of Jewish descent – there surely must be a connection between ancestry and hatred for Russia, because so many of the prominent and most venomous, ridiculous critics are Jewish – Alexei’s father was born in Bishek, Kyrgyzstan and his mother, though born in Moscow, was of Ukrainian descent; Granny lived in Kiev. I assume Alexei himself was born in Moscow as well, and if you go back far enough you can doubtless find a country you can use as a hook upon which to hang your grievances. I consider myself Canadian because I was born here, although I need only go back two generations to be as English as can be on one side and American on the other. Beyond that I don’t know. My mom’s maiden name was Vader, and that is as Dutch as Gouda. This is my family in the early 1800’s; we used to receive a hard-copy mailing of “The Vader Connection” (this is what it looked like) from the lady in Ontario who compiled the family history, but we moved so frequently I guess she lost track and I was never very interested in it anyway. It looks as if we have a b it of everything, like most families. Alexei is feeling his Ukrainian roots particularly strongly right now because it suits his purposes, but I doubt he speaks a word of it and if he were to visit Kiev today and burble about being born in Moscow but nevertheless as Ukrainian as salo, I doubt they would have much time for him.

              • james says:

                from your top link “and Ukraine is only now asserting its true nationhood on the bloody battlefields of its southeast.” what an incredible idiot this person is.. if he thinks that is what defines ‘asserting its true nationhood’ he is a bigger idiot that i first thought..

                • marknesop says:

                  He’s not an idiot at all. He’s egging on the Ukies to take the southeast by force of arms, by portraying it as a noble conflict which represents the birth of true nationhood. He directly represents U.S. interests, and the USA wants war in Ukraine, as violent and bloody as it needs to get just so long as it succeeds and Kiev is triumphant. If the battle is fought exclusively on the southeasterners’ land, so much the better – major population centres like Kiev and Dnipropetrovsk will be undamaged while the east will be a depopulated ruin. What remains will vote decisively in western interests.

                  The Ukrainians thus far have shown themselves to be simple folk who are easily manipulated by flattery and easily turned into a blunt instrument by stirring the fires of nationalism. that’s what Bayer is doing – prodding the coals and sucking up to the Great Ukropy People in an effort to get the hot war restarted as well as cementing an ancestral hatred and mistrust.

              • Jen says:

                As Bayer admits in his Moscow Times post, his granny didn’t speak Ukrainian and her house didn’t survive whereas surrounding buildings did. I wonder why – perhaps during the 1930s – 1940s, Banderites destroyed places where Jewish people lived?

                With regard to the family photo he found of his granny and her siblings dressed in Ukrainian folk costume, is Bayer incapable of considering that the photographer might have persuaded the parents into dressing the children that way, and if Granny’s parents had known his/her reasons for doing so, they might have felt insulted and raised a complaint? If Granny’s ties to Ukraine run deep, they might run deep in ways Bayer should be concerned about, instead of reminiscing about a romantic past in which Ukrainians and Jews must have understood each other and sympathised with one another’s suffering because they were both being oppressed by barbaric Finno-Ugric / Mongol Moskali.

                • yalensis says:

                  Given that both Ukrainians and Jews were SO oppressed by their mutual enemy, Russian barbarians, and there was SO much mutual sympathy going on at Babiy Yar!

                • marknesop says:

                  I was kind of hoping it would inspire Lyosha to start dressing similarly. He would look deadly sharp in an embroidered shirt with no collar, like a perogie vendor from The Castro.

                  The USA has officially adopted a policy position whereby everything Ukraine does is for noble and excusable reasons while everything Russia does is for ignoble and inexcusable reasons, and the one is to be rewarded regardless what it does while the other is to be punished regardless what it does.

              • yalensis says:

                Is Bayer’s “Birth of a Nation” similar to Griffith’s “Birth of a Nation”, I wonder?
                Oh, noble nation! Born in the throes of lynching somebody else!

              • james says:

                okay mark.. not an idiot.. a desperate con man who i am calling an idiot..

    • ucgsblog says:

      “Every Russian school kid learns that his country’s history began on the banks of the Dnipro, in Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine”

      I have a Russian History Textbook and it states that Russian History began in 850s/860s in the Novgorod Area. Looks like someone flunked out of school, which automatically makes him an expert for the Russophobic types.

  7. marknesop says:

    Uh oh! Ukraine pushes for full EU membership. I can just imagine how that will be received. I wonder how they will break it to him without making him cry?

    Part of me hopes they accept, but sadly, they are not that crazy. As I mentioned earlier, once Ukraine is cut out of the gas-transit business, and assuming Russia does not open up its markets again to Ukrainian goods, its sources of income are severely curtailed. It has no reserves left and is living off loans and handouts. Yes, I would want that country as a full partner, entitled to the full support of the European Union, when you can hear the thud of collapsing banks for miles and the country is run by a billionaire oligarch (well, he was a billionaire before the bottom fell out of the economy, now he’s about a half-billionaire) who still has not relinquished control of the companies that made him rich, although he functions as president, and where the army is supplemented by Nazi militias which threaten to turn on the government and there is a civil war ongoing which is likely to see a little less than a third of the country secede. What’s not to like about that?

  8. colliemum says:

    Every sentence in this post, Mark, went down like a delicious, dark truffle, or a Marc de Champagne one, take your pick!
    This had me giggle helplessly: “[…] she [Farion] now sees little Kremlin agents snorkeling in her soup.” oohh ….! 🙂

    Something Mr Bayer and indeed his audience in the Ukraine don’t seem to have grasped is the fact that the EU ‘thinkers’, politicians and hacks have longs since decided that nationalism, in any form, is dangerous and outdated and must be eradicated at all costs. They are busy doing just that in their Brussels edicts, ahem, directives, on many levels.
    Perhaps someone ought to point out to those benighted Ukries who now apparently want to become full-fledged EU members, that this means the end of their clamour to be seen as a distinct, wonderful nation full of national heroes. Instead, they’d just be simple Europeans, like all the rest, and would find that their nationalism will be severely reprimanded, on all levels. You can’t have it both ways – and your new, EU-German friends get especially cross when they think you’re getting what they call “Extra-wuerste”.

    (An Extra-wurst, plural E-wuerste, is literally a sausage extra above what everybody else gets, for reasons such as that one is a very speshul snow flake. Germans no likee …)

    • Moscow Exile says:

      I vunder, vot in de name off de Gott in Himmel to your umlauts happened has?

      • colliemum says:

        Dunno – have given up looking for all that stuff on my keyboard, for the sake of faster typing and general comfort.

    • marknesop says:

      Why, thanks, Colliemum! Yes, I mentioned that elsewhere, I think it was on Russia Insider – who in Europe is going to want to learn Ukrainian so as to do business with Ukraine? In fact, the early 2000’s may have been the high-water mark of the Ukrainian language. The Orange Revolution government of Viktor Yushchenko was junta-lite as Bandera began to creep back into the public consciousness and Yushchenko pandered to the Galicians, but once he was out the language debate went back to a simmer and the Galician extremists ceased to get their own way. Until now, but this time they are pushing to be accepted into the European Union. If, hypothetically, Ukraine fragmented and Galicia was absorbed by Poland, would the Poles be eager to learn Ukrainian? Ha, ha. How many Ukrainian schools would there be in Europe? i bet whatever there were would be in what was left of Ukraine.

      The west is eager to exploit the language issue as part of the politics of division – no further. The west is not going to learn to speak Ukrainian as a sign of solidarity, and Ukrainians who wish to move up will learn someone else’s language. But it will not be a mutually intelligible dialect, as Russian is. So if the preservation of your unique and beautiful language means that much to you, Ukies – think again.

      Thanks for the kind words, but the linked article from Fort Rus said Farion “sees Kremlin agents everywhere”, and it really wasn’t much of a stretch from that.

      • colliemum says:

        But you made that stretch – and it still makes me giggle!

        There’s another aspect to the nationality/language issue as afar as the EU is concerned.
        They are quite happy to give support to the promotion of minority languages within EU countries, such as Catalan in Spain, or Welsh here at home. They do this because this leads to cries for devolution which Brussels supports not because they suddenly love nationalities, or ‘freedom!’. No, it’s because they can then become semi-devolved ‘regions’ within the EU, under Brussels’ umbrella, as opposed to e.g. under Madrid or Whitehall’s government.
        That is the true aim: break up the original nation states such as France, Spain, the UK … the new regions or ‘statelets’ are easier to dictate to.
        Thus it is astonishing that the greedy lot in Brussels threw in their lot with Kiev, bemoaning the ‘loss’ of the Crimea and Novorossiya. They ought to have forced Kiev to recognise all those autonomous regions, as in the true spirit of the EU – but that would’ve run counter to the economic greed of corporate USA.
        Thus the EU are the other true losers here. They’re like that dog who swims across a lake, a rope of sausages in his mouth. Seeing the mirror image of those sausages in the water, he grabs for them and loses his original sausages in the process. That’s Brussels …

  9. yalensis says:

    As if on cue…
    Fitting neatly into today’s topic du jour, Putin yesterday signed an order creating a new governmental agency in Russia:
    Agency to deal with Nationalities issues.
    Here is the text of the order on the President’s website.

    Quick summary of the 7 points in the “ukaz” :
    (1) Create a Federal Agency of Nationalities Affairs
    (2) Agency will perform the following functions:
    (a) Carry out state nationalities policies,
    (b) Strengthen the unity of the peoples of the Russian Federation, work for inter-ethnic harmony, development of ethnicites, defend the rights of ethnic minorities and indigenous peoples living on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    (c) Work together with ethnic autonomies, Cossack societies, and others.
    (d) Work out and realize projects.
    (e) Measure effectiveness of projects.
    (f) Monitor inter-relationships of ethnic groups and religions.
    (g) End any form of discrimination on the lines of race, nationality, religion, or language.
    (h) Prevent the incitement of racial/ethnic/religious strife, hatred, or conflict.

    (3) Russian government will be in charge of this new agency.
    (4) This new agency will assume functions currently handled by Ministry of Culture, and also certain functions (when pertinent) of the Ministry of Justice.
    (5) Technical amendments to wordings in existing legislation..
    (6) Other technical changes
    (7) This “ukaz” goes into effect immediately

    • et Al says:

      My first thoughts were ‘Wot? Another governmental agency?’. Then it occurred to me it that it was a very good idea. You pick the right people who can be trusted and give them a powerful mandate that overrides possible blocking and you don’t have to deal with legacy bureaucracy, inefficiencies, corruption and old skool inbred politics within the new agency.

    • yalensis says:

      Whenever a new agency is created, or government re-org takes place, it is usually a sign that somebody is trying to solve a specific problem.

      • marknesop says:

        Or to get ahead of a pit they see someone else digging for them to fall into.

        • yalensis says:

          For decades Brzezinski has been working out a plan to partition Russia . I have seen a map (can’t find the link now), where the proposed regions are to be delineated.
          Based on ethnicity, for example, the Finno-Ugric Maris get their own statelet, everybody gets their own little statelet, etc.
          Western NGO’s trying to recruit local elites to go along with this plan and do a hundred Maidans.
          The end goal is to partition Russia into an infinite number of tiny fiefdoms, each controlled by Western corporations and NATO.

          To get ahead of this plan, Russia needs to secure the loyalty of ethnic minorities, while still observing all their cultural/linguistic rights, also helping through federal funding to develop local ethnic areas, just like in Soviet times.
          Step #1 would be, however, to expel all Western NGO’s. Any NGO’s that are by some accident performing worthwhile functions can be replaced by Russian federal funding.
          Step #2 is to increase democratic institutions at the local level, this will cut out the corrupt elites which are susceptible to bribery and tend to swing to the West.

          • peter says:

            I have seen a map (can’t find the link now)…

            • yalensis says:

              Thanks, Pete!
              Wow, Taymir is huge!

              • colliemum says:

                So is Yakutia.
                I think these ‘countries’, ‘republics’, whatever, can easily be split up into three or for new “nations”, according to the understanding of Brussels, no?

                • kirill says:

                  This is what Russia gets for actually respecting the rights of indigenous people. They have their own republics. In North America, indigenous people have reservation camps and chance in Hell of forming republics with a potential for secession.

                  I always found the posturing from Canada and the USA on minorities in the USSR during the cold war to be so thick and rich with hypocrisy that you could drive a tank over it. Captive nations committee my ASS.

  10. et Al says:

    Thanks for that Mark. I had to take a shower after your thoroughly enjoyable downpour of torrential sarcasm!

    I also never thought I’d see the words ‘Jimi Hendrix’ and ‘disco’ in the same sentence and now find myself in an entirely new world… Freaky.

    As for Beyer, he’s just another Rent-a-gob. Nothing more, nothing less. Now that the BBC & RFE/RL have had cuts, they can no longer provide lifetime employment for reliable anti-Russian propaganda – pluz it makes it much easierr fothe British Intelligence Services to keep an eye on them in case they are under cover..

    Here’s a Krealy hit from the Independent:

    КГБ Lebyedev’s Independent: Yuri Klavdiev on ‘A Play, a Pie and a Pint’: A Russian-Ukrainian season of plays

    …Called The War Hasn’t Started Yet, Durnenkov’s work is a series of often very funny playlets that explore Russian attitudes to the conflict. Probably the most provocative features a television newsreader whose knowingly inaccurate bulletins about Ukrainian atrocities have put the fear of God into her or his (on the page it could be either) own family. It’s a funny, ironic and deeply cutting attack on the way Russian broadcasters are disseminating news. It accuses them of broadcasting unverified reports of Ukrainian war crimes which, according to Durnenkov, in one real-life notable case was later discredited.

    “I wanted to understand who is behind the reporting of such news and why they create an image of Ukrainians being so bestial,” says Durnenkov. “I wanted to understand their mindset and how anxiety is so quickly turned into fear.”…

    …”In order to get rid of dirt, you must first asses the extent of the contamination,” explained the paper, which is often viewed as reflecting the opinions of the Ministry of Culture. The article was seen by many as evidence that Russian culture was being subjected to a new Stalinism. In the world of theatre the term “unpatriotic” can kill a career, while in the world of politics it can kill. But Klavdiev – whose work in Western terms might be described as a potent mix of Tarantino and Sarah Kane – is dismissive of the attack and his place on the list.

    “It was a great honour,” says the 44-year-old. “At least I know I haven’t wasted my life.”

    A former football hooligan – “when I wasn’t fighting I would secretly read and write” – in the tough town of Togliatti, Russia’s car-manufacturing equivalent of Detroit, Klavdiev does not have the air of a man who is easily intimidated.

    “There are direct analogies between Putin’s and Stalin’s Russia,” says Klavdiev. “But of course Stalin was much more severe. Usually I have to write two versions of my play if it is to be performed in Moscow. So I have a version that will go to the local authorities [who usually fund theatres and therefore have a say in the theatre’s output] and then I have another version that will go to the theatre. Usually the authorities don’t check.”c

    What a depressing bunch of self-centered Kreakly tits. Three authors, two Russians who have gone over to the ‘grass is always greener on the other side’ and the sole Ukrainian, Natalia Vorozhbyt, who is a Ukrainian ‘patriot’. Yup, no Ukrainan Nazis here. It’s just peachy!

    We’ve mentioned before the disturbing habit of some Russians who go to live abroad to hate their own country so much they become even more nationalistic about their new country than even the locals. I think this should be called Zapad Syndrome.

    • marknesop says:

      “Probably the most provocative features a television newsreader whose knowingly inaccurate bulletins about Ukrainian atrocities have put the fear of God into her or his (on the page it could be either) own family. It’s a funny, ironic and deeply cutting attack on the way Russian broadcasters are disseminating news. It accuses them of broadcasting unverified reports of Ukrainian war crimes which, according to Durnenkov, in one real-life notable case was later discredited.”

      What a laugh. More projection, attributing to your enemy characteristics of your own behavior. How many reports have we seen from the western press that speak of the “Russian invasion” that come straight from Kiev with no checking whatsoever? How many examples have we seen of Duma members using fake photographs from previous conflicts to push a war-in-Ukraine agenda?

      • et Al says:

        Maybe I should have written ‘the ass is always firmer on the other side’.

        I would say it is amazing how monofocal such people are, but they arrive, privileged and feted in the West and immediately meet fellow Kreaklies who act as an echo chamber.

        It’s not as if they will be living in a dodgy council residence on state benefits on a sink estate…

    • yalensis says:

      Dear Al:
      Jimi died, but Disco never died:

      • yalensis says:

        (See, even my avatar is gettin’ funky and doin’ the Travolta hand jive thing…
        It’s just THAT infectious.)

        • et Al says:

          Thanks… Have you seen a doctor recently? 😉

          • yalensis says:

            Yes. He diagnosed me with TERMINAL DISCO FEVER!

            I asked him: “Doc, tell me, how long do I have to live?”
            Doc replied: “Let me put it this way. If you’re hungry, eat something quick, but don’t you start boiling a 3-minute egg!”
            “Doc,” I replied “just time enough for me to hit the dance floor for one last boogie-woogie!”

            • et Al says:

              Terminal Disco Fever?

              Is that a mashup between Stayin’ Alive and the film Airport?

              Or maybe in your case, ‘Airplane!’?

              You’d have to change your name to Shirley though.

  11. Warren says:

    Published on 1 Apr 2015
    Amazingly the Obama administration still calls Yemen a “template” of success when it comes to its counterterrorism efforts. Closer to the truth is probably still another poorly thought out foreign policy adventure. And double standards abound – what is deemed legitimate for Yemen is denied in the case of Ukraine.
    CrossTalking with Marcus Papadopoulos, Mark Sleboda, and Eric Draitser.

    • et Al says:

      Maybe US strategy is quite simple. It’s sees its hegemony being eroded so it facilitates those who undermine any independent actors or those that are trying to become relatively independent actors and then sits back until they beg the US to come an save them. All the US needs to do then is name its price. This fits the PR of the US as the only country that can bring stability and peace to the world as opposed to unless you toe the the line, then we will sow instability as you will crack first…

      • Jen says:

        One of the intentions of Saudi Arabia’s attack on Yemen could be to draw Iran into supporting the Houthi rebels more openly by sending warships or fighter jets, in which case a parallel can be drawn between Yemen and eastern Ukraine (Donbass). If the KSA attack extends to blockading Yemen’s ports and cutting off Red Sea access to oil tankers from the Persian Gulf, that could affect Iran’s economy quite badly. It’s as if the KSA and the US want to drag Iran into the war over Yemen. But my hunch is that the Iranians are more clever than the US gives them credit for, and will follow Russia’s example of not intervening openly but pursuing diplomatic channels and providing humanitarian aid to Yemen.

        • et Al says:

          I agree. If the nuclear deal comes off (and the I-ranians are not accepting a simple ‘suspension of sanctions’ until it is verified that they are not making nukes – which could take 15 years – , they need something else to try and keep I-ran’s nut in the western sanctions vice. The I-ranians are masters of strategy and play the loooong game, like the Chinese.

          The good news is, the Saudi’s have screwed themselves by attacking Yemen.

      • Warren says:

        That makes sense, the US has pursued a strategy of “controlled chaos” & “creative destruction” since 9/11.

        The US has adopted the mafia strategy of demanding of extorting victims and punishing any act of defiance.

    • Tim Owen says:

      One of the better Crosstalks. Sleboda’s point – that US actions of allying itself with whoever is most useful at that moment in pursuing the goal of creating trouble for potential rivals or even for any actors who have not accepted vassal status – is very perceptive and I’m embarrassed it never occurred to me. It only appears inconsistent because the sales job in each instance requires completely contradictory claims when viewed across any moderately long time frame

      • marknesop says:

        Only RT consistently plays up the west’s absurd selective justice, double standards and hypocrisy. This is why it must die.

      • Warren says:

        That would explain why the US despite is proclamations to the contrary ally themselves with radical extremists.

        Many Iraqis have accused the US for dropping supplies to ISIS, because the US disapproved of the pro-Iran polices of the Baghdad government. In fact, when Mosul fell in June/July 2014, the US were imposing precondition on Baghdad exchange for help. One of the preconditions was removal of the then Iraqi PM Nouri Al Maliki, who was viewed by the US as too friendly Iran.

  12. peter says:

    … Lyosha does not advance that theory himself – relying instead on some “recent study” which he does not cite…

    Balanovsky, O., Rootsi, S., Pshenichnov, A., Kivisild, T., Churnosov, M., Evseeva, I., Pocheshkhova, E., Boldyreva, M., Yankovsky, N., Balanovska, E., Villems, R. (2008) Two sources of the Russian patrilineal heritage in their Eurasian context. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 82: pp. 236-250

  13. peter says:

    … the Buryat are of Finno-Ugric descent.

    No, the Buryat are Mongol.

    • marknesop says:

      By, golly, you’re right. I should have said the Udmurts, since that was the only group among the Finno-Ugrics of Russia that I recognized. Encyclopedia Brittanica is not really a very good resource for that sort of thing, because it often offers information which might be misleading and then wants you to subscribe to read the whole entry. The Buryat were mentioned in connection with the Finno-Ugric people, but if you look further it clearly does say they are Mongols, and their physical appearance argues in that direction as well.

      Interestingly, the reference I cited here reports “According to the Russian census data of 2002, the number of Finno-Ugrians has decreased dramatically since the 1989 census: from 3.3 million to 2.7 million.”

      If you have no objections, I will edit the post to reflect “Udmurts”.

      • et Al says:

        Not to mention that just recently on the last thread yalensis posted that ‘Elizaveta Tuktamysheva has won the World Championship in Ladies Individual Figure Skating.’ that pricked up my antennae at the name only to discover that she is Udmurt or at least one of her parents is.

      • yalensis says:

        That article by Jaan Kaplinski, makes a lot of good points; but is also politicall biased against Russia.
        Also, since joining EU, Estonian ethnic population has dipped below 1 million people, thus putting into jeopardy the titular nationality.
        Like I said before, Estonians ought to get down on their knees and thank Vladimir Lenin and the Bolsheviks for their national success story.
        Also, if they wish to help their fellow Finno-Ugric minorities who live within Russian Federation (for example, the Maris and others), to preserve their languages and cultures (a goal which I support), then I suggest they start learning to get along with Russian government and lobby them intelligently, instead of shitting on Russia all the time.

  14. james says:

    genetics and racial issues are just another means of dividing people.. that is why those who use these issues as a means of dividing people really sicken me.. if you go back far enough we are all directly related.. why can’t people learn to get along? we have some who are hoping to divide others and they will do it anyway they can – genetics being another means of trying to create a wedge to screw over others… why we waste time on comments that has this as there main agenda is beyond me, and yet here we are doing just that..

    • kirill says:

      The sad thing is that people want to be divided. Ukraine is a perfect example. The hate that blossomed after 1991 is surreal. I don’t care how much the average schmuck hears on TV and reads in papers. There has a to be a basis for the hate. How did Russians do wrong by Ukraine since 1991? The over $200 billion in subsidies they provided it? The Banderites are all looped in the Holodomor lie since this is their pony to success. You have to be very selective about the history to believe that it was some genocide perpetrated by Russians against Ukrainians. But many of the post 1991 generation and even their parents believe it with a passion.

      As in Yugoslavia, politicians and other paid agents and various fringe nutbars are always waiting in the wings to spread their message of hate. But they require a fertile ground for that hate to blossom.

      • colliemum says:

        ” … a fertile ground for that hate to blossom” – indeed.
        Allow me to look back 70 years or so, when the various colonies of states like Great Britain, France, The Netherlands, Belgium, started to demand independence, with more ore less violence. The cause of freedom was picked up by a slew of indigenous writers who found a much larger audience in the 1960s and 70s on university campuses across the Western world. That was in the wake of the Vietnam war, if anybody can still remember those days.
        There was Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Frantz Fanon, Regis Debray, there was Che, there were the heroic kidnappings of airplanes for Fatah … and since students on university campuses are notorious for being ‘rebels’, especially if that ‘rebellion’ looks like being far left if not anarchism pure – not that anybody really knew what that meant, except that parents, professors and hacks were well shocked, which was the aim of the exercise – these and other writers were widely read. It lead, IMHO, to the feeling that there were minorities in our nation states which also were oppressed and needed to be liberated – the Basque nationalists, Catalans, some Breton and Corsican groups, Meibion Glyndwr in Wales, the IRA, the Walloons and Flemish in Belgium
        At some stage these proponents grasped that instead on bloody, anarchic rebellion, the democratic process was more successful to achieve the aims, the stage was set for non-violent but more virulent nationalism, especially welcomed and exploited by the far left of the political party spectrum.
        This virulent nationalism took root over the decades, got exported to newly liberated countries like the Ukraine, and that’s where we now are.
        You may have noted that this virulent nationalism is regarded benevolently by the USA and EU, but that certain countries are and have been told firmly to ‘do as we say, not as we do’. One of them is Germany, for obvious reasons. The strange thing is that in order to keep the Germans down and reduce their economic prowess, TPTB ought to have supported the secession of Bavaria, for example, like they did the Scottish referendum. One wonders why they didn’t …

        Sorry for this lengthy post – blame it on caffeine-induced early-morning stream-of consciousness …

        • kirill says:

          It isn’t too long at all. I think you have a very good point. The Ukrainian mentality is shaped by various “academics”, especially ones raised in Canada and the USA who have transplanted their rabid revisionism of history to Ukraine itself after 1991. This has messed up Ukraine terminally.

          In the west the Ukrainian diaspora (mostly Nazi loyalists who fled after WWII) level of “academic” BS is tolerated but there is some degree of the same fiction with an agenda being produced. One of the targets for this brainwashing is to enable a bizarre Babylonization of many European countries. I can see why Canada would be multi-ethnic due to it being a country of immigrants like the USA. But I don’t understand why Sweden or France need to have half the population or more composed of immigrants from the Middle East or Africa. I don’t think immigration is a right. It is a privilege and old world countries which are centered around ethnicity and the associated language and culture should not be totally transformed into something else. This has nothing to do with racism. In fact, this view is closest to ecological protection. A world composed of homogenized immigrant societies will lose in a few generations the diversity that we have today. Eventually it will also lose distinct races (except for strata maintained by selective breeding associated with wealth and perhaps more resilient self-identity). I am not interested in such a “utopia” (even though I will not live to see it).

          • marknesop says:

            I completely agree. Immigration is a privilege, but it should not be available only to the privileged and everyone should have the same chance of acceptance and be graded on the same criteria, while in years when it is deemed the country does not need any immigrants, none would be taken in, not exceptions made for the families of global aristocracy with connections.

          • james says:

            colliemum, my apologies for overlooking your post here and kirills too.. i think both of your insights into this topic are good ones.. i see this pushing of nationalism as a problem.. it’s interesting how it overlaps with immigration policies in many countries around the world. i have mixed feelings about immigration, but agree with mark that if it is going to happen it shouldn’t be based on economic clout only, which is how it mostly is done here in canada.. i think the bigger problem is rampant population growth which is unsustainable.. there are too many people on the planet.. ironically or not, the countries with very large populations like india and china, or impoverished countries are typically the countries where people seek alternative places to migrate to.. we are destined to turn our whole planet into a place where everyone will want to migrate to another planet, but by then it will be too late.. everything being economically driven is killing us..

            • colliemum says:

              Yes, immigration is a huge problem – but the debate about immigration has been held under two false premises. One is that even talking about it is utter, despicable racism, the other is that because of “white guilt”, the West must help all those poor people.
              Those who use these arguments busily overlook that there are countries where immigration on such mass scales is simply not allowed to take place, but these countries are not descried as being racists: Japan, South Korea, China – all ‘rich’ enough, surely, to take on those poor?
              They also overlook that for well nigh 50 years, that’s two generations, the West has pumped billions, if not trillions, into poor countries – these same countries where the poor are now trying to immigrate to the ‘rich West’. So what happened to all that money being given away? That applies not just to the African nations, it applies equally to countries in Europe, from Portugal and Spain to Poland, Romania, the chihuahuas. Why do they immigrate to, say the UK, in such masses?
              There is one reason: universal welfare. It is now blatantly obvious that people flock only to those countries which offer universal welfare: Germany and the UK – the two countries which also pay more into the coffers of the EU than any other, and which pay more into aid for the Third World than any other country.
              But just making that observation means of course that one is an irredeemable racist …

              • marknesop says:

                A lot of countries – well, some of the biggest net importers of people – see inward migration as just a number; we took in 25,000 last year, same again this year. It is a number, but it has to be tied to something, such as available jobs. There’s no use letting in tons of immigrants unless you have jobs for them, or they’re just going straight on welfare. Or maybe they’ll do the jobs your own population will not. Is that a recipe for satisfaction and fulfillment?

                Canada is a classic example, a huge country with a tiny population. We could probably take in all the immigrants who want to come. But the bulk of the population is in a few cities, and much of the country is undeveloped. Migrants almost invariably flock to Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver, where there are large communities of their own people (most of our migrants are Indian and Asian) who will take them in and help them get started. But the jobs market will not support that situation, so you have doctoral students from India driving cabs. Or, as quite a few of them do, getting into Canada on what some – mostly Americans – describe as our “open-door policy” and then slipping across the border into the USA where their chances of employment are better. Unrestricted immigration is not just bad for the country, it is bad for the immigrants themselves if they are genuinely interested in working and bettering their station in life.

                • colliemum says:

                  25,000 immigrants last year? Even if that’s the net figure, it’s dwarfed by what happened in the UK, with a figure of nearly 300,000 net. That’s not some eeevil propaganda coming from horribly xenophobic bigots, that’s from the official Government site, here:
                  Here as well, immigrants flock to towns and cities, and while the UK is not a huge as Canada, we do have some areas which cannot be used for housing or much else except some sheep: Wales, the Pennines, the Peak district, Yorkshire moors …
                  Our infrastructure is crumbling, there’s not enough space for housing even if we could build it, there’s not enough places in schools, the NHS is creaking to a halt … and still they come, because of universal welfare.

                  Regarding that soft border your next-door neighbours moan about: that’s the same here, because of the EU. Illegals flock to, for example, Italy, claim asylum, get a EU passport – and on that passport come here ‘legally’. Nothing we can do about that, because it’s the Brussels ‘law’ of ‘free movement’ . That was meant for workers, in common parlance people with job offers, but now it’s a free-for-all for everybody.
                  Government and MSM simply have no explanation why a points system, where we can choose who comes in, is so terrible. Oh, but we do know why they shun talking about it: we’d have to be out of the EU first, for that to work …

                  If these things won’t be fixed by the next government, then I shudder to think what will happen in this country. It’s not as if there hasn’t been a Civil War before here, and some of us, with shorter memories, recall London 2011 …

                • marknesop says:

                  Oh, I just picked that at random, for the sake of a number. Our average over the last 5 years ending 2013 was actually 250,000 per year. Amazingly, the government sought public input on what should be the appropriate levels; that’s a surprise to me.

                • colliemum says:

                  That was a lovely random number – I turned so green with envy that people who saw me asked if I were sick!


                  At least your government asks – 300,000 are a hefty number, no matter how big or small a country is. I wish there were a solution …

              • james says:

                i agree with you colliemum.. i don’t have an answer to resolve all this either.. in canada, we have universal health care. i know many want to come to canada just for this. with regards marks comments, i don’t think having a job is the be all and end all of everything, especially as i view our present society as a form of slavery to the banks.. we need a completely different system then the financial one we have now.. until that happens, most people work to give there money to the bank so they can own a home before they are dead and gone.. that’s slavery to me..

          • Jen says:

            I think we all have to look at who in most societies supports immigration (and lots of it) to understand what the real intentions behind continued immigration are.

            Historically in Australia at least, trade unions and the Australian Labor Party opposed immigration because during the 19th century, most migrants were brought to Australia by state governments (Australia governed as separate states at the time under the British Empire) to work in certain industries – for example, people from the South Pacific islands were brought to Queensland to work on sugar cane plantations – and local people saw this as undermining their rights to decent pay and working conditions. At the same time of course, few people were keen to work on large plantations because the work was hard and monotonous, and working conditions were those of slave labour conditions – which was why the kanaks were brought in from the South Seas.

            Because most kanaks and other slave migrant labour came from British-ruled areas in India, the South Pacific or whichever other country came under the rule of the empire over which the sun never set (‘cos God couldn’t trust an Englishman in the dark, which distrust completely justified by recent scandals in the UK), race became part of the broader issue of resisting British attempts to deny people their rights to decent working lives and other social justice issues. This wasn’t helped by ideas that developed into a concept of human races to justify keeping people divided and at loggerheads with another on the basis of physical appearance. Most of these ideas came from academia at a time when Charles Darwin’s “On the Origin of Species” had just been published and the various biological and social sciences were coming into their own as separate recognised disciplines each with a growing body of knowledge and new discoveries. In those days, academia had a role in justifying European domination of wide swathes of Africa, Asia, the Pacific and even parts of Latin America which were nominally independent but depended very heavily on British investment (Argentina being a prime example).

            All this had some influence on early 20th-century Australia and its hardline stand on immigration which became the White Australia policy. The policy was used as much to deny entry to people deemed suspicious or radical as to people who weren’t white; there was a famous case of a Czech man with a history of socialist activism denied entry because he failed the language test (given to him in Irish Gaelic). The White Australia policy weakened after 1945 when the Australian govt decided it wanted to grow local manufacturing and develop the Snowy Mountains hydroelectricity scheme. The population of about 5 – 7 million was considered too small (and at the time, Australia was afraid of a future Asian invasion: Japan had bombed Darwin in 1942 and sent submarines into Sydney Harbour) and the govt launched its massive immigration scheme then.

            Most immigration as it is into Australia is still supported by the major parties (Liberal-National coalition and the Australian Labor Party) because big business more or less still loves unrestricted immigration which helps to keep wage and salary demands low. Plus more migrants mean more people needing houses to live in and that means more people needing mortgages which are now the main way Australia makes money and GDP grows. This is also why the Australian govt is reluctant to restrict property speculation by Chinese investors which is driving property prices to insane levels in most cities around Australia (Sydney in particular).

            • colliemum says:

              Jen, your last paragraph succinctly describes who is, overtly and covertly, supporting unhindered mass immigration into certain western countries. It is the same here, and I assume it is the same in Canada and the USA: those who demand cheap labour and those who profit from property speculation. There’s no more ‘right and left’ here, because the Trade Union Bosses and Labour politicians ‘profit’ as much from this as the usual suspects, the Toffs and Tories and of course the ever so important corporate business bosses. After all, having cheap labour from all over the world doing the cleaning, the gardening, the driving, the nannying of their children has now become their ‘roights’ … nah, I don’t want to take off into yet another rant … so I’ll just remind you all not to forget their willing helpers in the bureaucracies – and the bean counters, the accountants, who have squeezed humanitarian ideas in business until the pips squeak.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              Because most kanaks and other slave migrant labour came from British-ruled areas in India, the South Pacific or whichever other country came under the rule of the empire over which the sun never set (‘cos God couldn’t trust an Englishman in the dark, which distrust completely justified by recent scandals in the UK)…

              Could God trust an Irishman, a Scot or a Welshman though?

              Bear in mind, the vast majority of Irishmen in Ireland are citizens of the Republic of Ireland and, therefore, not citizens of the UK, where those recent scandals have taken place, although very many Irish citizens live and work in the UK alongside those nice Scots and Welsh as well as, unfortunately, those perfidious Englishmen – sort of like Ukrainians in Russia.

              As regards the former British-ruled areas of the globe, the number of Scottish administrators was disproportionately high when one considers what the population of Scotland was when the sun never set on the British Empire.


              • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

                ‘Could God trust an Irishman, a Scot or a Welshman though?’

                Not even in broad daylight.

              • colliemum says:

                Of course God trusts the Welsh! After all, Welsh is the language spoken in heaven: everybody knows that!


              • Jen says:

                ” … As regards the former British-ruled areas of the globe, the number of Scottish administrators was disproportionately high when one considers what the population of Scotland was when the sun never set on the British Empire.”

                Were those Lowland Scots or Highland Gaelic-speaking Scots? 🙂

                Wasn’t Scottish education better and more universal than in most other parts of the British Isles from the 18th century on? Plus after all that better education, who would employ them apart from the British government, the Scots having sold themselves to London after the failed Darien colonial experiment back in the 1690s that nearly bankrupted them?

                Yes it’s a curious phenomenon that 19th-century European empires didn’t rely on their own elite classes to supply the bureaucracy: I’ve heard that when King Leopold of Belgium had the Congo region as his personal fief, it was administered by Swedes and Prussians.

                The British elites also relied on American money to keep them going which explains why Winston Churchill’s mother was American: her family’s wealth helped save the Churchill clan from having to sell off the family silver. One of Winston’s cousins, Charles Spencer-Churchill, also married an American heiress, Consuelo Vanderbilt, whose family had made its fortune in shipping and building railways across the US.

                Now we all know where that “special relationship” comes from!

    • yalensis says:

      Yes, humanity is all one race, we are all descended from Adam and Eve.

      Once upon a time God created Adam. Adam had no private parts, he was smooth and featureless, like a Ken doll. Adam was a wonderful guy, but he was lonely.
      So God created a friend for him, her name was Eve, she was all woman.
      Adam was delighted, but confused: “Wow! She’s wonderful! But what am I supposed to do with her?”
      So God handed him a penis. “Son, you’re going to need this little adapter…”

  15. Pavlo Svolochenko says:

    Nalivaichenko has a hankering for vintage secret police terror – the SBU will be modelling itself upon the SB of the UPA.

  16. et Al says:

    Mark Galeotti, jack of all trades, master of ???

    War is Boring: The Chechen Wars Cast a Long Shadow
    A new history of Russia’s two wars in Chechnya is essential reading

    View at

    “…A group of emigres for whom the war against Russia never ended fight on the Ukrainian side. Veteran commander Isa Munayev was their nominal leader and target of a vicious propaganda campaign in Chechnya. Kadyrov accused him of being a CIA agent, a deserter, a coward, and “a drunkard.”..”

    That paragraph stood out – vicious propaganda campaign seemed somewhat emotional for a ‘security expert’. It seems to me that Galeotti is busy pumping out any old thing (Osprey books is hardly know for its heavy tomes except for military hardware), so I hope to be forgiven for sticking to books about Chechnya by people like Anatol Lieven.*

    I did like Galeotti, but in the last year or two he seems to have gone complete media whore and expert on everything. I guess the Pork Pie News Networks in their never ending search to look for someone to fling poo (at Russia) like the monkeys from Madagascar have a new, willing star.

    It seems that all you have to do is massage someone’s ego and they blossom! So much for the quality. Another one bites the dust…

    • marknesop says:

      Looks that way – I used to like him, too, when he more or less confined himself to his blog, “In Moscow’s Shadows”, which dealt mostly with Russian law and political connections. But then he began doing “podcasts” with Brian Whitmore of RFE/RL (who was himself the more reasonable of the duo on “The Power Vertical” until his partner Robert Coalson left), and the rest is history. I guess sooner or later if you want to do it for money, in English, your perspective alters subtly until you are suddenly looking at things from precisely the opposite to what you once did, and are persuaded of Russia’s nefarious nature.

      I am more or less insulated from that by not doing it for a living. I didn’t get started at it to defend Russia’s virtue, and I am perfectly willing to stipulate that some things in Russia are a mess and would greatly benefit from improvement. However, it appears to me that the west is not interested in helping Russia with its problems the way it invites itself to do in the case of any other nation with problems on the planet. Instead, it uses Russia’s problems to make itself and its allies feel good, by pointing and laughing, and the more Russia tries to engage in friendship and partnership with the western countries the more they circle it and dance around and jeer.

      They used to do the same to Ukraine, but now they pretend it is the home of East-European gentry disinherited by the Moskali and that all the ridicule they once heaped upon it was specifically directed at Yanukovych.

      All information which is designed to manipulate public opinion but which cannot be substantiated or has no basis in fact is propaganda, and the west would be lost without recourse to it. But Galeotti and others like him pretend that only one side engages in propaganda, while the other, the good guyz, counters with truth.

  17. peter says:

    • marknesop says:

      Is the “Putin Collective” worried about ethnic Russians? I really must try to keep up better.

      • kirill says:

        She’s referring to the intolerable fact that Russia is not letting the NATO-installed Kiev regime carry out its campaign of ethnic cleansing in the Donbas.

        • marknesop says:

          And Putin is actually of Finno-Ugric descent himself? How was that established? Or is this more Alexei Bayer-style bullshit that most of the Moskali are Finno-Ugrics?

          I see on that same feed that a group of U.S. senators has petitioned FIFA to consider stripping Russia of the right to host the 2018 World Cup. Based, of course, on “Russian aggression”. Just like they tried to get the Olympics moved away from Sochi because of Russia’s imagined assault on gay rights, a debate that completely and utterly dried up the instant the Olympics were over. Nothing, really, is too trite or juvenile for American politicians to try on in their unceasing existential battle with Russia.

          • kirill says:

            Finno-Ugric is a “derogatory” term by Ukrs and their fellow travelers for Russians. They think that if they call a Russian a Finno-Ugr, then the Russian will be deeply offended. Of course, they are retards. Unlike themselves, Russians are not obsessed with the purity of their genes. And Russians are biologically justified (although they do not think of ethnicity in terms of genes), since having a diverse gene pool is a serious plus for any species. The Ukrs and their pals are trapped in the same chauvinist bubble as the Nazis.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              I wonder what the Finns, Estonians and Hungarians think of all these derogatory statements that the Moskali are their kindred folk and that Finno-Ugrics are somehow not kosher?

              I bet old Ed Lucas is cut to the quick by these allegations.

              • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

                Estonia doesn’t accept Ukrainians as refugees. I think that tells you how they really feel about them.

              • yalensis says:

                I always wondered the same thing about the Mongolians. Why don’t they protest vigorously, when they see Ukry using “Mongol” as a term of abuse against Russians?

                Maybe real Mongols are just too dignified to even justify these shenanigans. But I personally think they should lodge a protest with the Ukrainian ambassador.

                • yalensis says:

                  On the other hand…
                  The “racist” slur out on the Ukrainian schoolyard was: “Mongol! Mongol!”
                  Now it’s “You’re Finno-Ugric! You’re Finno-Ugric!”

                  The most dignified response might be:
                  “Why, thank you. You flatter me, indeed.”

                  “You say that like it’s a bad thing!”

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Proud to be a deracinated Mongol-Tatar-Finno-Ugric Moskal Untermensch!

                  Rather dated clip – 1980, at the time of the Moscow Olympics which was (surprise, surprise!) boycotted by many of the “International community” under the leadership of the “Exceptional Nation” because of “Soviet aggression” against Afghanistan.

                  The woman in Asian dress on Red Square at O:53 is possibly Uzbek, a Turkic people that speaks a Turkic language. She’s one of those dreaded Turko-Mongols, which just goes to prove that Moscow is an Asiatic city, doesn’t it?

                  The people that sang the song are Germans. It was originally sung in German. The above version was shown on Aussie TV during the Moscow 1980 Olympics and, as a result, the ditty apparently became a big hit in Australian Disco-Land.

                  Better than “Tie Me Kangarooo Down, Sport”, anyway.


                • yalensis says:

                  Russia’s answer to ABBA!

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Nay, the group that sang the disco-hit were Fritzes!

                  Here’s the original in German:

                  Rußland ist ein schönes Land – Ho, ho, ho, ho ho!

                • Jen says:

                  Gee, I remember that … that German Mongol-disco band was Genghis Khan, they did have a No 1 hit in Australia with that song “Moscow” in 1980. They had a follow-up single which went “ho-rada, hey-rada” in the chorus and then they disappeared off the planet. In those days lots of odd acts from around the world had No 1 hits in Australia and in fact Australia was the place where ABBA became famous (in 1975 or 1976, the latter year in which “Fernando” was No 1 for something like 12 weeks) before anywhere else.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              I think they folded up because their lead man, Louis Potgieter, he who does all the leaping around and is made up to look a latter-day like Emperor Ming of the Planet Mongo, because that is, of course, what all Mongols look like, died of AIDS in 1993, whilst one of the singers, Karl-Heinz Bender, died of cancer in 2005.

              The group was called Genghis Khan in the English-speaking world, but the German name of the group was the politically correctly spelt according to German orthography “Dschingis Khan”.

              I used to have a PC colleague who had the temerity to correct my saying “Peking” instead of the PC “Beijing”, so I used to pick him up whenever he said what sounded to my ears as “Mos -Cow” instead of Москва.


          • Jen says:

            The Putin Collective must have been reading this crackpot Ukraine-obsessed website

            “Putin´s family originates from Vesyagonsk district of north western Russian. Vesyagonsk translates as Yagonsk Ves, where Ves is old collective name for Vepses, the local native Finnish population. The Finnish look of Putin also betrays him – he is of quite pure Finnic anthropological type. Vepses do look like him. Putin (Putin mies) in Karelian dialect of Finnish means “good man” (doesnt necessarily mean that he is good). This word is found in Karelian dictionary …”

            A special guest on this website is a psychic supposedly a household name in Georgia. Here are her prophecies which Ukrainians and Georgians breathlessly anticipate will come true while their cheeks turn deep blue, along with the date they were made:






            Keep holding your breaths, Ukies.

            • marknesop says:

              Ha, ha, ha!!! The “Finnish look of Putin”!! I realize Putin is not a woman – or if he is, it’s the greatest act in history – but this website devoted to beautiful Finnish women (and some of them certainly are) reports “The Finns are typically tall. Actually they are one of the tallest nations in the world, together with the Dutch and Swedes”.

              Tall Putin, the Veps Giant.

              The site also says – interestingly – “Whatever you do, do not compare her to Estonian women”. I wonder what that’s about? Perhaps Karl can explain. Good catch, Jen!

              • yalensis says:

                Nothing wrong with Estonian women either, as far as I can tell:

                • marknesop says:

                  Karmen Pedaru; WOW! What a beauty! Maybe there is some sort of rivalry between Estonian women and Finnish women that causes the latter to perceive “Estonian” as a grave insult. I did learn from my previous post, quite some time ago now – when I mistakenly thought Estonians were Slavs and got taken to the woodshed for my laziness and stupidity – that the dominant group there is Finno-Ugric. Since Estonians as a group seem to be virtually oozing smart, I can’t see how “Finno-Ugric” could be construed as an insult in terms of anything, appearance and intellect included. But that’s not Bayer’s intent; he is merely trying, in his sly way, to imply that Ukrainians and Russians are ethnically separate entities, and that hatred of the one for the other is natural, understandable and wholesome. He puts an enormous spin on it right out of the gate by pretending that it is Russians who “disdain” Ukrainians – see? they despise you, it is only natural you should despise them – and I suppose an animosity might exist in a few cases at the individual level, but the state is broadly and distinctly supportive of Ukrainians, far more than anything the west has done for them since their independence. By way of contrast, loathing for Russia and blaming it for all its problems is the Ukrainian state philosophy.

                • Tim Owen says:

                  Is this models with national anthems thing a thing? There’s a Russian version too.

                  If so, it might be an effective way to relieve diplomatic tensions (cough) and might – through repeated viewings, create positive associations with the country involved.

                  I’ll let you know how the experiment goes.

                  BTW I always thought this was the funniest take on “girl watching”:

                  Happy weekend.

              • Jen says:

                That must be because few Finnish women are comparable to Time Lady Romanavoratrelundar (played by Mary Tamm, whose parents fled Estonia during WW2):

                who was so smart she could regenerate whenever she felt like it and look like another woman while Doctor Who’s regenerations usually came at the worst possible time and his new appearances were a matter of pot luck.

          • peter says:

            And Putin is actually of Finno-Ugric descent himself? How was that established?

            Putin on vepsäläinen?

            • yalensis says:

              We need Karl to translate this from Finnish!

            • marknesop says:

              Mmmm…I see. They asked Moscow directly if Putin had Veps roots and they did not respond. That proves it. Since the author of the most recent controversy provided no evidence to back up his claim, I must assume he does not know, and Putin likely does not, either. But what if it were true? It would not lend any weight to Bayer’s indirect claim that most Russians are Finno-Ugric.

      • peter says:

        Is the “Putin Collective” worried about ethnic Russians?

        • yalensis says:

          “Russia fears ethnic cleansing in Ukraine amid rise of neo-Nazism – Putin”.

          Ha ha – that Finno-Ugric Putin guy is SO paranoid.
          He just imagines tiny Ukrainian Nazis snorkeling in his soup.
          [stole that one from Mark]

        • marknesop says:

          Ahhhh….now it’s all clear, thank you very much! I didn’t see anything in there that appears to be a lie, or even an exaggeration; there have been several complaints from smaller towns “liberated” by the UAF that the “volunteer battalions” are particularly brutal and take out their nationalist fury on the townspeople. “Ethnic cleansing” is not too far a stretch, I don’t think, although it’s on odd term to use here because the only thing that differentiates the two sides in many cases is language, and both are ethnic Slavs who live in Ukraine, therefore Ukrainians. If someone is ready to defend the premise that the old “East bank, West bank” of the Dnepr is the dividing line, I imagine that would provide a degree of relief, but I further imagine it is unacceptable to Kiev.

          I saw a piece yesterday in Russia Insider which postulates that the only thing keeping Kiev in power is the war – it provides the only appearance of national unity, and keeps armed men busy who might otherwise turn on their leaders. Also, it prevents recovery of the contested areas, with Russian help, which might promote discontent in what remains of Ukraine.

          Anyway, I originally thought the Tweeter was referring to a concern on the part of the “Putin Collective” (whatever that is) for ethnic Russians within Russia. Which would point, perhaps, to another nationalist stab at making immigration an issue. Thanks again for straightening that out.

      • Warren says:

        Brian Whitmore and Mark Gaelotti coined the term “collective Putin” on their Power Vertical podcast show. Now they use that term all the time!

  18. marknesop says:

    Here’s one I missed; the Cameron regime threatened to shut down The Grauniad for reporting the Snowden disclosures.

    “A senior civil servant had told the paper’s editor, Alan Rusbridger, that the “prime minister, the deputy prime minister, the foreign secretary, the home secretary and the attorney general have got a problem with you,” Johnson said, as cited by the Irish Times.”

  19. ucgsblog says:

    Mark – it’s not Ukrainian, but rather a mix of Slavic/Rus/Greco-Roman languages that appeared in 988. Prior to Yaroslav the Wise, ruled 1019-1054, there was no move towards a single unified language, and the mix was pidgin, kind of like Spanglish. St. Olga and St. Vladimir wanted to promote Unity within Diversity, which was followed in Religious Policy, Economic Policy, etc. I doubt that they would not apply the same methodology to Linguistic Policy. BTW, St. Olga’s economic policy was the wisest of all rulers prior to the Muscovite Period. And while I’m on the subject, Kievan Rus had its most prosperous period after a Victor of War, named Vladimir, captured Kiev with the Novgorodian Armed Forces. Just sayin’

    • marknesop says:

      The site I referenced says the recorded history of the Ukrainian language began in 988. But they may have been speaking of Old Slavonic, and merely claim it as Ukrainian – the reference is not very clear. It seems a real impediment to knowing what began where and when is the dearth of written records before a certain period.

      Welcome back, by the way, haven’t seen you in a while and it is good to hear from you.

      • yalensis says:

        Once again, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you … [drumroll]…
        The Tale of Igor’s Regiment written in what is called “Old Eastern Slavic” dialect, sometime before this dialect (which had become a literary language) had fully diverged into Russian-Ukrainian-Belorussian “languages”.

        Estimated time of composition: late 12th century

        Не лѣпо ли ны бяшетъ, братіе,
        начяти старыми словесы трудныхъ повѣстій
        о пълку Игоревѣ, Игоря Святъславлича?

      • ucgsblog says:

        Thank you! I’m really busy with work and stuff, now there’s quite a bit of analytics to do. It’s a rising industry, and the BRICS and internet are rising massively, so being a RuNet analyst is very rewarding. And I’m getting away with a lot more stuff than I used to; for instance, in order to troll some idiots, I wrote “laughing at those who don’t want their kids to study Russian, thus denying their kids a G-10 language” in the hobby section. No one asked me to take it down yet 😛

        • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

          Try working in some jab at Ukrainian if you want to annoy people.

          Suggest, for example, that Ukrainian will end up being a language spoken solely by war crimes defendants.

  20. ucgsblog says:

    Otherwise – a superb take down of Oleksander! He earned it. Love this part:

    “Winding up this broadside of bullshit, following a brief discourse on “what actually matters in the modern world” according to Alexei the Globetrotting Philosopher, is his hallmark hypothesis that “The Russian Empire is in its death throes”. Bla, bla, fucking bla, how many times have we heard this? Alexei Bayer has been forecasting the “death of the Russian Empire”, whatever that is, for almost 10 years now.”

    Ouch! Let’s re-read that again…

  21. ucgsblog says:

    I know I cite this entry a lot, but:

    “The West’s borders are going to be the borders of Rump Ukraine. Why would Russia want that? There needs to be a real reason, not just the fallacious historical claim of Kiev being the mother of all Russian cities at the age of negative twenty. No such reason exists.”

    Novgorod is also a combined word, from the Latin “Nov”, or “Novus” – meaning “New”, and the Slavic “Gorod”, meaning “City”. The oldest city in Russia is named New City, and the Commies must’ve loved the irony, because unlike the names of other cities, Novgorod’s was never changed.

    • yalensis says:

      Dear ucgsblog:
      Was Slavic “nov-” (the word for “new”, as in “Novgorod” – “New City”)) borrowed from Latin, or was it native to Slavic?
      I have a feeling it was native.
      This was apparently a very old Indo-European root, from eveb before the Centum-Satem split , this same root survived intact in many descendant languages.


      Satem branch
      Sanskrit nava
      [yalensis: Sanskrit simplified vowel structure, several vowels merged into “a”, however the Latin and Slavic forms show that the original vowel was “o” so the Indo-European root can be reconstructed as *nov- ]
      Slavic nov- as in Russian “novyj” – “new”

      Centum branch
      Latin novus
      Greek neos ‘new.’
      Old English nīwe, nēowe
      Dutch nieuw
      German neu

      In conclusion, I think this is just one of those ancient Indo-European roots which survived intact throughout the millenia. The root *nov- virtually unchanged from proto-IE to the modern Russian word.

      Of course, it is also possible there was mutual borrowing.
      Normally a word THIS persistent is more householdey, something more like “man” or “water”. Not an abstract concept like “new”. Go figure…

      • ucgsblog says:

        Thank you for posting the Tale of Igor – I should’ve remembered that! I’m not sure if it’s the Latin “Nov” or the Slavic “Nov”, it could be either one, but now that I think about it, you’re probably right.

  22. Warren says:

    • kirill says:

      But it should be ready to use them. Too many in the corrupt western elites think that Russia is a push over. That some oligarchs will get upset over lost profits and will stage a coup to get rid of Putin. These western idiots need to put the crack pipe down.

  23. james says:

    come to think of it as kirill touches on somewhere above, not much difference with the nazi’s fixation on genetic supremacy and this retard bayers same fixation.. i guess if one was looking for an obvious connection, this would be it..

  24. Warren says:

  25. et Al says:

    Nebulous News: Russia Expels UK Student For Being A ‘Spy’

    Laura Sumner, a PhD student at the University of Nottingham, also faces allegations that she violated the terms of her visa…

    …the case has been handled by Russia’s Migration Service, rather than the FSB (the successor agency to the KGB) which would usually investigate suspected espionage.

    In a statement to Sky News, a Federal Migration Service spokesperson said: “On 1 April, during a compliance check, immigration law officers found that a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain was violating the rules of entry into the Russian Federation in the Nizhny Novgorod region…

    …”The citizen has entered Russian Federation on a ‘commercial’ visa, which declared commerce as a purpose of the trip.

    “However during their stay in the Nizhny Novgorod region the citizen engaged in scientific research, namely the collection of information for writing a research paper.”

    The official confirmed that Ms Sumner had been fined 2,000 roubles (£23.80) and told to leave Russia within 10 days…

    Of course the headline doesn’t accurately match the facts, but that is how responsible media western media regularly behaves – exaggeration and hyperbole.

    These Brits need to follow the rules just like everyone else, no exceptions.

    Let us not forget that dickhead and professional russophobe ‘Puke’ Harding who didn’t bother to do his papers and then claimed it was all a Kremlin plot against him.

    • PaulR says:

      This is the latest in a number of cases where authorities in some Russian towns have taken objection to students and academics doing archival research while in Russia on business or tourist visas. There is a good reason why researchers do this: getting a cultural/scientific research visa is damned difficult, if not impossible for most people, and besides there is no law saying that if you are in Russia as a tourist you can’t go into an archive while there. Why some pigheaded over-zealous local authorities have suddenly decided to go chasing after people for supposedly having the wrong type of visa, I cannot imagine. It’s ridiculous, and accusing this poor girl of espionage because she is researching Russian revolutionaries and is therefore supposedly plotting revolution against contemporary Russia is absurd. The fact that it is the federal migration service which prosecuted her not the FSB is sign enough that she wasn’t a genuine security threat.

      • aussiekay says:

        Where does it say that she was a spy? They say she had the wrong visa. If the type of visa didn’t matter, they’d not bother to have different types, would they?

      • yalensis says:

        Russians apparently THINK that this seemingly innocent Nottingham girl is a spy, assigned to foment colour revolution in Russia, while posing as a history student.

        LifeNews “claimed Sumner’s PhD supervisor was financed by the “council on socioeconomic development of Great Britain” and working on topics “very relevant in the light of work of the West in order to create in Russia conditions for carrying out ‘colour revolutions'”.

        Dear Paul:
        Since you have connections in the Russian-studies academic community, is there any chance you could
        (1) find out who is Sumner’s PhD advisor at Nottingham University? and
        (2) look into Russia’s allegation that he or she is financed by above-named council; and
        (3) confirm or refute the allegation of the LifeNews reporters that this council is engaged in subservive work within Russia?

        If you could help out with this, then maybe we could delve deeper into this story.

        • kirill says:

          There should be a zero tolerance policy given the open aggression of NATO against Russia. If in doubt, then kick out. It’s not like they put a bullet in her head. The rest of the crying is not worth the time and bother.

        • Warren says:

          “council on socioeconomic development of Great Britain”

          i think Life News has mistranslated, I have never heard of such an institution/organisation nor can I google it. However, there is the Economic and Social Research Council, and that institution does fund doctoral research.

          • PaulR says:

            Laura Sumner’s doctoral supervisor is Sarah Badcock, who you can read about here: Sumner’s own thesis subject is ‘Competing identities: The construction of social identity among urban workers in Sormovo, 1917-24’. Her research is funded by the Economic and Social Research Council. All completely innocuous.

            • PaulR says:

              Somorvo, by the way, is a district of Nizhnii Novogorod.

            • yalensis says:

              Thanks, Paul.
              I found the LifeNews story here .

              Like we know already, the story says she was rooting around in Nizhniy Novgorod historical archives, doing research for her PhD thesis while on a “business” visa.
              The topic of her thesis is the daily lives of Russian workers and their connections with revolutions.

              Here is the bit about Laura’s thesis advisor, and the Russian suspicions surrounding her:
              Как стало известно LifeNews, научный руководитель Самнер, Сара Бэдкок, — ведущий специалист по России в Великобритании. Профессор занимается изучением революций и смен власти в России. Бэдкок неоднократно выступала консультантом исторических спецпроектов на радиостанции BBC, посещала архивы в городах Дальнего Востока и Центральной России.

              Для сбора информации в российских архивах Сара Бэдкок направляла в Россию и своих учеников. Командировка оформлялась под видом деловой поездки.

              При этом деятельность самой Бэдкок финансирует фонд «Совет по социально-экономическому развитию Великобритании». Темы, над которыми работает профессор Бэдкок, актуальны в свете работы Запада по созданию в России условий для проведения «цветных революций».

              As became known to LifeNews, Sumner’s thesis advisor, Sarah Badcock, is a leading Russia-specialist in Great Britain. This professor engages in research concerning revolutions and overthrowing of governments in Russia. Badcock has several times served as a consultant of special historical projects for the BBC radio, she has also visited the archives in Russian cities of the Far East and Central Russia.

              In order to collect information stored in Russian archives, Sarah Badcock has dispatched her graduate students to Russia. The trip was put together under the form of a business trip.

              In addition to this, Badcock’s reserach itself is financed by the fund called the “Council for Social-Economic Development of Great Britain.” The themes which Professor Badcock is working on, are quite pertinent in light of attempts by the West to create in Russia the conditions for carrying out “colour revolutions”.
              END OF TRANSLATION

              Russian government are deeply suspicious of this Professor Sarah Badcock.
              Probably just typical Russian paranoia….

            • yalensis says:

              Badcock is co-editor of the journal Revolutionary Russia . This is their current issue. Issue and articles can be downloaded.

              She and her students seem to focus on the 1918-1919 period.
              Looks completely legit to me, but maybe FSB knows something we don’t know!

              • yalensis says:

                Okay, this research council LOOKS innocuous, sure.
                But they give out a lot of grants, and where do THEY get their money from? Are they a government agency? Or is this some Soros-type thing?
                Inquiring minds want to know.

                • Fern says:

                  yalensis, the ESRC is a genuine body – it’s one of a number of UK research councils and the lion’s share of its funding comes from the UK government. In fact, many, many years ago, I got a grant from them to fund a masters degree in history. I suspect the problem here is, as Moscow Exile states either above or below this post (not sure where this will appear in the thread), that the UK is well known for trying to ‘recruit’ anyone who visits a ‘place of interest’ as an intelligence asset. Given the poor relationship between the UK and Russia, malevolent NGO activity within Russia, endless demonisation, falsehoods, distortions of Putin and the Russian government at the hands of western politicians and media, it’s hardly surprising that Russian officialdom is unwilling to give these researchers the benefit of the doubt. It’s such a great shame – one of the most exciting developments of the last few decades was the opening of Russian archives to historians and now relations are probably irretrievably damaged for at least a generation.

              • marknesop says:

                I think it is pretty likely that any westerner snooping around in Russia now doing research on revolution is going to be shown the door. This is not likely because of the danger represented by their research as much as by the regularly-expressed desire of their governments and press that the current Russian government be overthrown by whatever means will accomplish that goal, and replaced with liberal-reformer patsies who will do the bidding of the west and yield sovereignty over the nation’s interests.

        • Jen says:

          It seems that as spies go, Laura Sumner was poor at covering up what she was doing. She made no secret of the fact that she was doing archival research and that the staff at the archive knew she was English (so it is likely she told them something of the purpose of her visits). One thing probably led to another and this is what attracted the attention of the immigration authorities.

          This incidentally comes a few months after two US journalists were deported from Russia for teaching journalism in St Petersburg while supposedly travelling in the country on tourism visas. Their work was being sponsored by the US State Department.

          In the light of the St Petersburg incident, it’s perhaps no surprise that Russian immigration authorities over-reacted when they discovered that Sumner, sponsored by a UK government research council, was doing work that appeared contrary to what was allowed by the conditions of her business visa. The St Petersburg incident should have been a wake-up call not just for US visitors to Russia and the US State Department (though that agency may or may not have deliberately given contrary advice to the journalists) but also to other governments when advising people intending to travel to Russia for particular purposes to obtain the right class of visa, read the fine print carefully and get further advice if they don’t understand what is required.

          • marknesop says:

            Not to mention the fact that nearly everything that comes out of the UK on the subject of Russia is virulently negative. Luke Harding? Shaun Walker? Edward Lucas?

          • yalensis says:

            Yeah, I think these students, assuming they are legit and want to get back into the archives, need to work with Russian government to (1) formulate correct visas, and (2) convince Russians they are not spies. Not to mention work with the library staffs to gain correct type of access, instead of just sneaking around furtively inside the stacks.

            Laura’s expulsion was probably just some tit-for-tat thing, she is probably just an innocent victim, but you never know. I don’t blame Russia for being super-suspicious of the English, given the history. For starters, I want to know where the funding comes from, for these giant grants. Who nowadays in these hard times is willing to support graduate students with a full load (tuition, stipend, travel, etc.) who are studying some obscure events in some Russian backwater that happened in 1919?
            Seems too good to be true…

            • Jen says:

              It’d be interesting to find out (legitimately of course!) who Sarah Badcock’s other postgraduate students are or have been and what their doctorate or master’s degree research focused on. If all their work revolves around a very narrow period of Russian history and deals with a very small set of issues, that might suggest Badcock is using her students to conduct research she should be doing herself in Russia but which for some reason she can’t or won’t. Don’t postgraduate students usually suggest their own topics for research for their degrees? If all the research these students are or were doing was also being financed by the same UK government agency, that might be another indication that the agency itself is being used as a conduit by the government and possibly private backers and donors to the agency.

              • yalensis says:

                Sarah Badcock has an interesting biography:

                I completed my joint honours Bachelor of Arts in History and Roman Civilisation at the University of Leeds in 1995. I was funded by the Arts and Humanities Research Board (AHRB) to complete my Masters and PhD theses at the School of Modern Languages and Cultures at the University of Durham. I was awarded a Leverhulme Study Abroad Studentship in 2000, and spent 2001 living in the cities of Kazan, NIzhnii Novogorod, Kazan and St. Petersburg. I was appointed to my post here at Nottingham in January 2002, and was promoted to Associate Professor in 2007.

                I wonder if she is a lefty, because she seems to be interested in the lives of ordinary people. I tried to downloadthe book that was developed from her PhD thesis, but unfortunately it is behind a paywall.
                She has another book out, which is about Siberia as a place of punishment under the tsars.

                From her website, here is a list of Sarah’s current and former PhD students:

                Aaron McGaughey ‘ “Cultural Imperialism in Siberia: colonial elites in Irkutsk, 1861-1914” (lead supervisor; funded by School studentship)

                Laura Sumner, ‘Competing identities: The construction of social identity among urban workers in Sormovo, 1917-24’ (lead supervisor; 1+3 funded by ESRC Doctoral Training Centre).

                Siobhan Hearne, ‘From ‘Yellow Ticket’ to ‘Bourgeois Evil’: Female Prostitution in Urban Russia, 1900-1930′ (joint supervisor; 1+3 funded by ESRC DTC; currently undertaking research preparation year).

                Joseph Nicholson, ‘Risk and Reward: Anglo-Soviet Economic Relations, 1921-24’ (second supervisor; 1+3 funded by ESRC DTC; commencing October 2014).

                Michael Carey, ‘The Role of Affect in British Responses to the Russian Revolution, 1917-1924’ (joint supervisor; funded by AHRC Collaborative Doctoral Award in partnership with the British Library; commencing October 2014).

                Former PhD students

                James Phillips, “The Eastern Crisis 1875-1878: British and Russian press perceptions” (AHRC funded) Jointly supervised with Dr Richard Gaunt

                Sarah is also interested in issues of crime and penal issues.
                In Nottingham, she even works closely with the Robin Hood museum.

                All this seems completelyh legit, and Sarah actually sounds like quite a delightful person as well as scholar.

                I still want to know where the funding comes from, though.
                I find it hard to believe that a British university can afford to support 5 doctoral students on full scholarship for this kind of obscure research.

                • colliemum says:

                  Thanks for finding all that out, yalensis!
                  I find it very hard to believe as well, especially when I recall the financial restrictions and huge competition for any PhD grants in the natural sciences at a time when there was more money in the government kitty.

                • marknesop says:

                  The National Endowment for Democracy used to fund civic projects in Russia to teach the kreakli to be ashamed of their history and all; once they named the actual NGO’s and the purpose, such as “Memorial (I’m just making up the name), to make a film about Stalin’s crimes against the Russian people”. Now they just state the purpose, such as


                  Improving History Education

                  To educate young people about the lessons of the Soviet era.

                  Supplement: $3,400

                  Improving History Education

                  To educate young people about the lessons of the Soviet era. The organization will engage people in a discussion about Soviet history and what implications it has for modern Russia.”

                  Naturally, they’re still in the “Democracy-building” business, too, such as,


                  Meeting Point of Human Rights and History

                  To raise awareness of the use and misuse of historical memory and to stimulate public discussion of pressing social and political issues.”

                  Curiously, there is also


                  Promoting Human Rights

                  To conduct human rights seminars and consultations for young Russian army draftees and to examine conditions in the army.”



                  Promoting Human Rights

                  To conduct human rights seminars and consultations for draft-age youth, conscripts, and their families.”

                  Just across the border is a country in which they have conducted four “mobilizations” so far, some practices resulting in college students being fallen in on the pavement just in front of their university, marched off to buses and sent to the army, and in men up to age 60 being press-ganged to the front with almost no military training at all beyond what they remember from when they were in their 20’s in the Soviet Union. Do they have NGO’s dedicated to protecting their human rights by getting in the army’s face and fighting for them?

                  “For much of 2013, NED’s Ukraine partners documented, spotlighted and opposed the government’s abuses of power, misuse of state resources, economic mismanagement, and biased media. President Yanukovych’s decision to not sign the long-negotiated agreement at the Vilnius Summit in late November unleashed a massive wave of protests and launched Ukraine’s most significant crisis and greatest opportunity since the country gained independence.

                  The Maidan demonstrations reflected Ukrainian society’s increased demands and expectations for greater accountability, good governance, freedom of expression and respect for rule of law, all of which have been NED priorities in the country. Endowment grantees played important roles in the peaceful protests in Kyiv. Organizations engaged in monitoring and reporting on the performance of elected and appointed officials contributed to the growing public awareness of corruption and impunity. Independent media groups played a key role in informing domestic and international audiences before and during the demonstrations. They also helped to secure the safety of journalists covering the protests by providing them with protective gear. Other partners carried out civic and youth activism campaigns that played a crucial role in the Maidan movement in Ukraine’s regions.”

                  Apparently not.

                • yalensis says:

                  Thanks, colliemum, but you should thank PaulR, he provided the follow-up links, as well as the original story.
                  Yeah, I mean this really IS legitimate research, what these students are doing.
                  I wouldn’t be half so suspicious as I am, were it not for the fact that the British government has relentlessly acted against Russia on every front. For many years now.

                  Just another reason why governments should stay out of academia (not to mention journalism): Because, the way it is, people get suspicious of everybody, thinking they’re a spy, even when they’re not.
                  I wonder if Russian immigration just ASSUMED that this girl is a spy, because of the terrible relations between the 2 countries? If she was from Brazil, they wouldn’t have had a problem. Russians can wink at the rules, just like eveybody else.

                  The solution: Need to improve relations between the 2 countries.
                  The way to do that: England needs to apologize to Russia and stop incessantly plotting against Russia.

                • marknesop says:

                  It is also, as I mentioned, because of NED’s support for research into Soviet history that is used to recruit kreakli to bemoan their country’s Stalinist past and act as agents of foreign governments in the role of political dissidents. Russia has quite rightly run out of patience for this sort of meddling, and the USA would be unlikely to welcome Russian state financing for research into America’s shameful history of slavery which would be used to educate young Americans in this particularly disgraceful episode in the nation’s chronicles.

                • yalensis says:

                  Dear Mark:
                  NED should just come right out with it and announce a million dollar grant “to overthrow Putin government”.
                  With a supplemental grant of $500,000 once the deed is done!

                • marknesop says:

                  Well, they like to believe they are subtle, and it must be said that casting out Putin is only half the job. He must be replaced with a leader who is completely different from him, and Medvedev will not do because Putin has ruined him now, he is not as squishy and liberal as he once was. They’d like an arrogant “reformer” like Alexei Navalny to prepare Russia for joining the world community (read, “dominated by the United States”) that it would never be allowed to join in its present form, probably by starting all kinds of feelgood projects financed by huge IMF loans which could be used to befoozle the people that the western plan for them was enlightenment and prosperity.

                • Jen says:

                  What the research topics of Badcock’s postgraduate students seem to have in common is a focus on perceptions and assumptions, and how they influence people’s behaviour. In three of the above examples, the focus may be on differences between British and Russian perceptions of incidents and events. In Sumner’s work, the focus is on how workers’ perceptions of themselves as a group might predict or influence how the workers were able to band together to defend their rights. Aaron McGaughey’s research might also deal with perceptions of particular socioeconomic groups, again with a view as to how such perceptions can lead groups to pursue certain options and not others. Since the Gene Sharp playbook on DIY revolution may be in part about shaping and changing people’s views as a precursor to directing their activities, there could be a link there that the Russian immigration authorities have sniffed out.

                  There is also the possibility that the research topics and the source of Sumner’s funding aren’t the issue: the real issue may be that Russian immigration authorities may have noticed a pattern focused on Badcock that they’ve not seen with other academics who send postgraduate students to Russia. For example, Badcock has five postgraduate students researching topics in pre-revolutionary and revolutionary Russian history whereas most other research supervisors of her status would be overseeing perhaps a smaller number of students working over wider areas of Russian history.

                • yalensis says:

                  Dear Jen:
                  These are all good points.
                  The Gene Sharp angle is a good one, except that my impression of Sharp is, he is not up to that level of sophistication. I could be wrong, but my impression is, Sharp is more the crude “Foment riot by running over child” type guy. Whereas Badcock’s students seem to be into the study of deep psychology, feelings of self, etc. I don’t see a direct connection between these psychological factors, and fomenting color revolution in modern Russia. Especially in relation to the working class. It would make more sense if they were studying kreakles, not workers!

                  If there IS a connection to them and the Sharp types, I would suspect a more mechanical connection, such as: the students are being used to courier money to the opposition. Something like that.
                  Which also doesn’t make sense, that MI-5 would recruit 5 or 6 individuals to devote a decade of their lives to studying something meaningless and actually have to produce doctoral theses that the public can read and evaluate, just to courier money!

                  If this is a deep cover, then this is deep indeed!

                  On the other hand, it does really seem like the Russian authorities are suspicious of Badcock.
                  Either they know something that we don’t know, or maybe there is something else going on behind the scenes, for example, some tit-for-tat to avenge something that is completely extraneous and un-related to Badcock’s research. Like, for example, a Russian student deported from England. You have to remember that Russians usually follow a mechanical “tit for tat” type gameplan, when it comes to their frenemies.

                  In conclusion: We raise more questions than answers!

            • et Al says:

              My chief Russian lecturer told us that was asked to join the national intelligence services. He told them to f/k off. They do keep tabs on anyone studying interesting languages or subjects, but as has been recently bemoaned publicly, those studying Russian had more or less fallen off their radar.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                My tutor spent his National Service days in the RAF listening in to Russian telephone conversations in East Berlin. He was based in West Berlin. He had graduated in Modern Languages at Edinburgh, I think.

                After I had graduated and was fruitlessly seeking employment, it was suggested that I apply for a position at GCHQ, the careers advisor person, when making this suggestion, expressing her surprise that I had not already done so, that organization being a major recruiter of language graduates. I told her that my previous activities before engaging in full-time studies would very likely debar my employment with that exalted government agency.

                Shortly after that interview, I buggered off to Russia.

  26. james says:
    A Russian plane is waiting at Cairo airport for permission to land in Sana’a. It has to evacuate Russian diplomats and Russian women who are married to the Yemenis. Despite the prior agreement, Saudi Arabia still does not allow the Russian plane to land in Sana’a.

  27. james says:

    another pretty good article on the dynamic in yemen as it pertains to russia –

  28. Warren says:

  29. Warren says:

    Published on 9 Mar 2015
    John Mearsheimer, Stephen Cohen, Katrina Vanden Heuvel speak in a Round Table discussion on ‘Defining a New Security Architecture for Europe that Brings Russia in from the Cold.’ Gilbert Doctorow, Moderator. Brussels, 2 March 2015

    Published on 9 Mar 2015
    Round Table on ‘Defining a New Security Architecture for Europe that Brings Russia in from the Cold’ with John Mearsheimer, Stephen F. Cohen, Katrina Vandenheuvel. Q&A. Gilbert Doctorow, moderator

  30. et Al says: US Army Eyes Ukraine Conflict for Intel on Russian Military Technology

    The U.S. Army is working to glean intelligence on Russian military technology from the conflict between pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian forces, American generals said…

    ..”Certainly, we’re taking advantage of the opportunity to study what’s being done in Crimea in Eastern Ukraine, where the Ukrainians have employed the counter-fire radar,” he said on Tuesday in Huntsville, Alabama, during a conference organized by the Association of the United States Army.

    “The lightweight counter-mortar radar, turns out, that it is a much better piece of equipment than we realized,” Hodges said. “None of us have ever — maybe one or two exceptions — have ever been under a massive Russian artillery [attack] the way the Ukrainians have, and so we have learned a lot in the way that they have responded to that.”

    On the other hand, the conflict has exposed the potential for Russian electronic warfare technology to pierce U.S. and allied battlefield communications networks, Hodges and other U.S. generals said.

    Rostec, a Russian-owned arms and technology company, last year claimed it used “complex radio-electronic” frequencies to hack into an MQ-5B Hunter drone that was flying over Crimea and belonged to the Army’s 66th military intelligence brigade based in Germany…


    More money! I doubt there is any top rank Russian military equipment being used in the Ukraine, just ‘good enough’. For the same reason that radars have special ‘war modes’ that are rarely if never used in peace time.

    • marknesop says:

      Massive Russian artillery attack, my ass. If the Ukie Army and its volunteer-battalion nits had actually been subjected to a massive Russian artillery attack, those who were still living would be still running toward Kiev.

  31. Warren says:

    Russian bid for Czech hearts and minds

    Since the start of Ukraine crisis, the number of pro-Russian websites in Czech has mushroomed, prompting fears of a Kremlin propaganda campaign.

    Only last month, Sputnik – the new name for the Kremlin-sponsored Voice of Russia – announced that it was launching a news website in Czech, with the declared aim of offering Czech readers “alternative views” on international issues.

    But many Czechs over the age of 40 still have painful memories of the period between 1948 and 1989, when their country was locked into the Soviet bloc.

    The brutal crushing of the 1968 Prague Spring by Soviet troops was a deeply traumatic experience for many Czechs and Moscow faces a stiff challenge in putting forward its viewpoint.

  32. Warren says:

    • kirill says:

      Self important chihuahuas. It’s beneath Russia to “attack” them.

    • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

      Latvia will die out on her own, and good riddance.

    • marknesop says:

      Thomas Claus Theiner is either an Austrian or a German, who fancies himself an independent military expert, much like “Brown Noses” Eliot Higgins. he writes vitriolic anti-Russian articles for Euromaidan Press and any other outlet which will publish his fact-challenged nuttery.

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  35. marknesop says:

    A sampling of good stuff at the odd blog “Occurrences”. I cited this one some time ago and meant to add them to the blogroll at that time; it must have slipped my mind. Anyway, the lead story is the clinching of a nuclear deal with Iran, which there has been a good deal of buzz about over the last couple of days.

    “Iran and the P5+1 group of world powers have adopted a joint statement after marathon talks in the Swiss city of Lausanne calling, among other things, for the removal of UNSC resolutions and sanctions against the Islamic Republic.

    The statement was read out in a joint press conference in the Swiss city by the EU high representative, Federica Mogherini, and Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif on Thursday.

    In the framework of the agreement, none of Iran’s nuclear facilities as well as the previous activities will be stopped, shut down or suspended and Iran’s nuclear activities in all its nuclear facilities including Natanz, Fordow, Isfahan and Arak will continue.

    These comprehensive solutions will guarantee the continued enrichment program inside the Iranian territory and according to this, Iran will be allowed to go on with industrial production of nuclear fuel which is meant for running its nuclear power plants.”

    So Iran has not had to give up anything, which is tantamount to an admission by the Obama regime that everything it huffed and puffed about Iran all these years – taking the reins, it should be said, from the lying Bush regime – was bullshit and that Iran never was developing a nuclear weapon. It wanted nuclear energy for power generation, just like it said.

    I doubt very much this will result in a warm rapprochement between Iran and America, which kept it under severe sanctions for years and kicked it off of SWIFT. If they were hoping to win it into the “Help Uncle Sam Git Assad” camp, I’m afraid I don’t see it happening.

    Then there’s this – I don’t quite know what to make of it. Apparently the “black box” for the German flight which the depressed copilot apparently drove straight into the ground was found not once, but twice. The first time it allegedly had its memory missing, while the second time there was plenty of information to support the current narrative. The story includes an instructional video for the cockpit door of the A320, which the author uses to point out that the door alarm is missing from the cockpit voice recorder and that it is not possible for the copilot to bar access to the cockpit simply by holding a button down. Is it just me, or is there a lot of very weird stuff going on with aircraft lately?

    Back to “Occurrences” for another interesting story, this time on everyone’s favourite, 9-11 conspiracy. A news item reports that the FBI is now saying that “an internal FBI document indirectly tying the alleged Al Qaeda hijackers to a prominent Saudi prince was fabricated”. Their agent, according to them, simply made the whole thing up.

    Difficult to imagine this guy, who lived in a gated community in Sarasota, Florida which was allegedly visited several times by some of the hijackers, had nothing to do with the plot.

    “And in a 2011 investigation, WhoWhatWhy substantially expanded the Florida publication’s original work. We exposed that the owner of the house where some of the hijackers hung out was an influential Saudi, a direct lieutenant of a powerful Saudi prince. And we described how that Saudi prince, Sultan bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, was himself among the first Saudis to learn piloting in Florida.

    A leading advocate of teaching Saudis to fly, Prince Sultan is the founder and Chairman of the Board of the Saudi Aviation Club, and served as Chairman of the King Khaled International Airport (KKIA) Supervisory Committee. Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the 9/11 hijackers, trained to fly near Sarasota, as did some of his cohorts. Atta was one of those identified as visiting the house of the connected Saudis.”

    Prince Sultan is also pals with, you guessed it, Jeb Bush. And now the FBI says there was never anything to it, their agent – who is unidentified but the investigator speculates on his identity and says he was promoted to a high-level security position, odd treatment of someone who falsified an important report – simply made it up and never substantiated anything in it. We all love a good 9-11 conspiracy story, but I have to agree this is a remarkably odd time to try and set the record straight, not to mention that there was another 9-11 Commission running and most people did not even know of it?

    • aussiekay says:

      Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but…. the first “leak” about the pilot suicide was made to New York Times. Made me suspicious right away.

      NYT also said the black box was found but the memory cards were missing. This was immediately denied by the investigators at the scene. NOW they say it was really found. The chance of it showing anything definite in a few hours is low, as a very large number of data points are recorded. They show the inputs of sensors and commands, but not who pushed the buttons or turned the knobs, and not their thinking when they did it.

      The pilot having researched the cockpit door on the internet? sounds like BS as he’d get more detail, and more relevant to his specific installation, from the company instructions he had legal access to. There are options on the installation which airlines chose different combinations of. In one version, IF the lockout button is set in the cockpit, attempts at entry do NOT give any audible indication inside….presumably so a hijacker would be unaware he is about to be pounced on from behind. No button has to be held down… one click to that position blocks entry for 5 minutes, after which the entry code has to be entered again.

      Researching suicide sounds even less likely. I can see someone researching MURDER — not to find out how to kill someone, but how to get away with it, ie not be found out as perpetrator. . For suicide this is not an issue, by definition.

    • james says:

      the usa is on a constant path of war.. if it isn’t financial sanctions, it is egging others on, or the real deal… anyone who thinks the usa is an honest broker needs their head examined.. with iran in all this, it will be no different.. forget about any hopey changey president to behave differently then any of the ones before him.. ain’t gonna happen..

      yea – there is a lot of weird aircraft stories since mh370..

    • Jen says:

      Here’s a story that says the crashed Germanwings’ passenger list included a team of Spanish investigators who specialise in cyber-terrorism attacks travelling to Switzerland to investigate a company called Crypto AG and its activities.

      Another possibility is that Andreas Lubitz might have “gone postal” – he apparently had a medical certificate from his doctor as he tried to report sick on the day he died but his managers turned down his request for sick leave, and it’s possible the company treated him badly (the company was very quick to jump on his history of depression as an explanation for his actions, if you assume he was personally culpable) – although I think crashing a passenger jet about halfway or two-thirds of the way into Switerland is very extreme for someone “going postal”: you’d have to be holding in your anger long enough that it wouldn’t cause problems with paying attention to flying a plane for at least 90 minutes, without the pilot noticing.

      • colliemum says:

        On that particular crash, there’s a long and very instructive thread (A320 crash) run on I gather that the evidence on that pilot doing it is pretty overwhelming, according to those professional pilots. A pilot going postal is also something that happened before.
        What intrigues me is – forgive me if this sounds callous – how people in the West are bending over backwards to exculpate that pilot, while at the same time nobody is even lifting an eyebrow when there’s yet another suicide bomb attack somewhere in the M. E., never mind bellyaching over the mental make-up of such suicide bombers.

        • Jen says:

          There’s always the possibility though that if the mainstream media narrative emphasises Lubitz’s psychological history and mental state too much as the ultimate cause of the crashing of the jet, this will backfire on Germanwings: people will start asking, “If Lubitz was as bad as the press says and the company says, then why did Germanwings hire him in the first place and shouldn’t the company conduct psychological tests both in the initial recruitment of flight crew and then yearly or biannually as part of the pilots’ annual health assessments?”

          It does seem pretty odd though that when the first flight recorder was recovered, it did not contain much information that implicates Lubitz directly, and then nine days after the first flight recorder was found, during which time “the butler dun it” narrative developed, the second flight recorder is recovered and is found to contain information that places the blame squarely on Lubitz. Almost as if you need about nine days to mash up and massage some old recordings that sound like what would have happened if the MSM narrative were “true”.

          • colliemum says:

            They found the cockpit voice recorder pretty much immediately, and that was analysed straightaway. What they found on there was pretty damning evidence of Lubitz having done what the MSM now accuse him of, with him even encouraging the Captain to leave the cockpit, the door locking, the later banging on the door, the screams.
            The evidence from flight radar and Air Traffic controllers was out immediately the crash was announced, even before the voice recorder had been analysed. That descend was there for all to see, and at first there were lots of speculation on about could both pilots have become unconscious, that sort of thing.
            No, I’m afraid it is pretty cut-and-dried, especially given these are professional pilots who were bending over backwards in that thread not to have one of their own implicated and trying to find any evidence at all for this not being the case.
            The evidence collected by the German Criminal police is equally damning, and there are simply too many witnesses (doctors, University medical departments) for a huge conspiracy to have been mounted within that short time.
            Which of course still leaves the question how he was ever allowed to become a pilot in the first place, what with his back history.

            • Jen says:

              Fair enough but yes, Germanwings does have a few things to answer for, such as why it hired him with the history of mental issues that he had, or whether he developed these problems while he was in the company’s employ.

              • colliemum says:

                Totally agree – and they do try to wriggle out of their responsibility because the liabilities and damages they will have to pay will cripple them and their parent company, Lufthansa. There were three US American citizens killed on that flight, and you know what US attorneys are like when getting damages from courts.

  36. yalensis says:

    Meanwhile, U.S. State Department is horrified and outraged by the dire situation of Crimean Tatars living under the harsh rules of “Russian occupation”.

    In a press release that sounds like it was written by Yatsenuk, U.S. State Department issued a statement “vigorously denouncing” the closure (on April 1) “by Russian occupiers” of a series of Crimean-Tatar media, including: ATR TV; Information Agency QNA; the newspaper “Avdet”, the radio station “Maidan”, and several others.

    The announcement also claimed that Crimean Tatars are being “discriminated against, hounded, and terrorized”; and reaffirmed that U.S. regards Crimea as an integral part of a whole and sovereign Ukraine.

    Sergei Aksonov, the leader of Crimea, responded, that a new TV station will be created to replace ATR. ATR was a privately-owned station that broadcasted pro-Ukrainian propaganda. The new station will broadcast in the Crimean Tatar language and will be more objective, he said.
    Aksonov added, that the owners of ATR were not able to pass the criteria required to re-register itself according to the laws of the Russian Federation. Therefore the station was closed. ATR was operating under the old license issued by the Ukrainian government. Any stations who do not re-register and obtain Russian licensing, will be closed.

    The representatives of ATR counter, that their application for registration was deliberately held up by red tape.

    • marknesop says:

      Never a word about the broadcasting shutdown of Russian television in Ukraine, in which there are vastly more Russian-speakers than there are Tatars in Crimea. Of course, everything Kiev does is right and proper, President Poroshenko has a right to protect his country, bla, bla.

      It is pretty plain that Kiev and its western backers perceive the presence of the Tatars in Crimea to be a chink in the armor, and the Tatars have become the Gays of Sochi, the group the west chose to exploit in its efforts to spoil the Olympics for Russia. I need hardly point out that if somehow Crimea were returned to Ukraine, the west would lose interest in the status of the Tatars in less time than it takes to say it.

      Ukraine regularly made major decisions without any input from the poor Tatars, and gave every indication of not giving a flying fuck what they thought about anything. I’ve cited this resource before, but it’s worth going over it again to note that the original stripping of autonomy of Crimea and the deportation of the Tatars by Stalin was a punishment for their collaboration with Nazi Germany. In 1992 the Crimean Tatars condemned the decision of the Crimean and Ukrainian parliaments to grant Crimea special status and greater autonomy, because they were not a party to the negotiations. I don’t remember an outcry from the west, insisting the decision be renegotiated with the Tatars involved, or – more importantly – a dressing-down of Kiev for going ahead with such a momentous decision without the participation of the Tatars, whom it is apparent they cherish.

      It is apparent the west regards the Tatars as a troublemaking bloc in Crimea, an element it traditionally exploits in circumstances where it wishes to create turmoil. Thus it pretends to hear and be outraged by their grievances and to give them plenty of press attention so as to magnify the rift. Crimea might offer to provide a generous one-time cash settlement and resettle all the Tatars who wish to leave in Ukraine, and get rid of them. Otherwise they will be carrying Washington’s water in every dispute as they perceive Washington as a benefactor.

      • kirill says:

        NATO can go ahead and try to use the Tatars as disruptors. They will have less success than in Chechnya by several orders of magnitude. The net result will be more anti-Russian hot air from the Russophobic alliance. As if that was ever going to change.

  37. yalensis says:

    Just saw this on Colonel Cassad. It is the prognostications of political pundit Sergei Markov.

    Unfortunately, I think Markov is right. He is seeing a stabilization and consolidation of Ukrainian government as a fascist police state:

    Rapid changes are underway, unnoticed by many. Russian media shows an increasing chaos in Ukraine, but that is not actually the case. The propaganda is lagging behind the reality. The chaos of the neo-Nazi bands was an earlier phenomenon. What is happening right now in Ukraine is the rapid consolidation of a police state. The junta, led by advisors from the U.S., has effectively liquidated Kolomoisky’s autonomy, which ruled over several large provinces. The neo-Nazi battalions are being forcibly integrated into the regular army. All potential points of resistance are being firmly squashed. A totalitarian system of propaganda has been created. Very shortly, crowds of people on the streets and in television studies will start to demand more bombings and terrorist acts [against Donbass?] It’s not like [the junta] has mass support, but that doesn’t matter in conditions of a police dictatorship; the junta will use force to mobilize and send soldiers to war. The cadres of police/security forces are being switched rapidly. The new senior officers of the MVD and SBU are eager to fight against Russia, eager to shoot demonstrators, eager to organize and carry out terrorist actions. Thus the junta is preparing itself for possible food riots. The army is rapidly strengthening. Within a year, the borders of Donbass and Russia will be staffed by an army of half a million men, all trained, and steeled in total discipline. An army eager to drown in blood both Donbass and Transnistria; both Crimea and the Kuban. The core (of this army) will be formed from foreign mercenaries out of private companies [yalensis: type of Blackwater, I think he means], formed as volunteers and equipped with the latest Western weaponry; and also from Ukrainian special forces, experienced in battle, and trained by American and British instructors. Ukraine will be trained like a bull terrier, turned into a living weapon to kill. Minsk II is just a screen, behind which is taking place a preparation of the infrastructure of a giant war, which they are planning to launch against Russia on the eve of the 2016 elections. Time is not on our side. The occupation government (in Ukraine) is working ever more effectively, and does not weaken its grip. It is necessary to have the courage to look this truth directly in the eyes.

    • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

      This is what we heard from Glazyev through May-June. As I recall, he was projecting a 250,000 strong Ukrainian army by… November? December?

      It is almost suspiciously similar to the fantastic prophecies and ludicrous boasts of Ukrainian propaganda, just delivered in tones of foreboding rather than exultation. An excess of optimism: where are the signs that Ukrainian army is becoming more competent or disciplined? How will this happen under the same leadership that brought about Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo? Where is the ‘latest western weaponry’? Why is it assumed that NATO will trust third-rate troops with first-rate equipment? Why is it taken as a given that American and British instructors can make Spartans out of sad sacks?

      • kirill says:

        Ukraine will be a consolidated fascist state without an economy. Right. It was mentioned elsewhere that the only thing keeping the regime in power is the war. It sure isn’t the economy. But eventually the economic decline will break the bubble. The vast majority of the Maidan supporters were expecting some sort of welfare bonanza “when they joined the EU” after signing the association agreement. Instead they are experiencing impoverishment. So this ridiculous delusion is going to break down. But delusions are very resilient things.

        • james says:

          i agree kirill.

        • et Al says:

          I think there is a fair chance it will be the equivalent of an european Afghanistan. In a sense it already is with various oligarchs controlling bits of territory and sort of cooperating in Kiev. Elections are not much more than a Afghan Jirga.

          Still, it is interesting to see Russia play the long game, the latest being a $285 three month gas contract with Kiev. When the Ukraine finally implodes, Russia can clearly point out how it could have pulled the plug at any time it wanted but it didn’t because it has the best interests of its closest neighbor in mind. It also sets a benchmark for all the promises from the EU and US to be compared to, the latter far more likely to creatively reinterpret supposedly solid agreements than Russia especially if Kiev doesn’t sing from the same hymnbook 200%. It is also a warning to Berlin and the EU – we pull the plug and it’s all yours baby!

        • marknesop says:

          Yes, the people of Ukraine will never stand for this ridiculous substitution – a goose-stepping Nazi police state in place of the cushy streets-paved-with-gold paradise they were led to expect in exchange for their support for Maidan and the coup. They would probably put up with anything if it meant widespread prosperity, but they are indisputably much worse off now than they were prior to The Great Ukrainian Leap Forward and the trend is remorselessly downward for at least another year – even the IMF forecasts a considerably worse contraction of a further 10% rather than the 6% it forecast earlier. And that’s with the most lipstick The New Atlanticist – a relentlessly pro-western publication whose current headlines include Wesley Clark’s prediction of a Russian Spring offensive, the manifestly ridiculous contention that “Putin’s war against Ukraine” has had the effect of uniting Ukrainians, and Russia’s paranoid fantasies about the west representing a threat are all in its head – can put on it. Moreover, there is likely to be zero growth in 2016 as well. That assessment probably assumes certain realities that do not now exist, such as Kiev bringing the east back under its thumb, rather than it slipping further from its control and perhaps even expanding its territory.

  38. kirill says:

    The American economy is doing just great. And pigs are flying into the stratosphere.

    I have seen many claims that Russia’s economy is suffering due to ruble devaluation and sanctions. I see no evidence of this. The clearest indicator of the health of an economy is the level of employment. Right now it looks like the USA is the country that is suffering an economic contraction, a long term one. Oh, I am sure that the balance sheets all scream super profit and the GDP is inflating away, but the reality on the ground is something different.

  39. Warren says:

  40. et Al says:

    Slashdot: Google ‘Makes People Think They Are Smarter Than They Are

    Karen Knapton reports at The Telegraph that according to a study at Yale University, because they have the world’s knowledge at their fingertips, search engines like Google or Yahoo make people think they are smarter than they actually are giving people a ‘widely inaccurate’ view of their own intelligence that can lead to over-confidence when making decisions. In a series of experiments, participants who had searched for information on the internet believed they were far more knowledgeable about a subject that those who had learned by normal routes, such as reading a book or talking to a tutor. Internet users also believed their brains were sharper….

    This is none more obvious that in the retarded comments you read in the Pork Pie News Networks. It is one thing to look up a ‘fact’, but to understand it within context, its limitations and not stretch it way beyond reasonable interpretations to fit your argument takes it in to altogether different territory.

    I think the good news is that as the Internet is still quite young and people are learning that a) the first answer you find may not be true; b) it helps to do more research if you could be bothered. It’s not hard to differentiate between the political bs’ers and the properly curious.

    The best thing I think is that we are also learning to ask the right questions in the right way. Most of us can now spot obfuscation through deliberately complicated answers (as is technique often used by people who think they are clever) and are starting to spot what isn’t there, or what isn’t said simply through logic and following the process or the steps that should lead to a logical conclusion. If that is not done, followed or points to some other conclusion, then the red flags (I don’t mean communist ones!) should go up that something is not quite kosher and should be treated with care. Still, it’s early days.

    • kirill says:

      People are brainwashed from birth to believe that knowledge of facts is the same as intelligence. I have seen this trope in numerous TV shows and movies. It is total rubbish. People spend years at university and in post-doctoral studies engaged in problem solving. No amount of Google searches is going to teach internet Einsteins that skill.

      • et Al says:

        I can’t be as pessimistic as you. Yes, brainwashing does start very early, but this is just the beginning of a brave new world (if we don’t become nuclear toast first) and the new industrial revolution has only just started. The field is wide open and old actors will be turfed out or overturned by the new and hungry.

        If the turdification of higher education continues in certain countries, then those countries are simply hollowing out themselves from the inside. They simply will not be able to find sufficient numbers of competent people to maintain what they have.

        It is one of the many reasons that I am for free education and unlimited free (or at least heavily subsidized) return to education and retraining until you pop your clogs. In fact, I think it is essential if we are going to live longer and more productive lives. If the state (us) fund it, then we all benefit from it over the long term. So far Western countries have been able to attract some of the best foreign talent from other countries and benefit from it, but the rest of the world is catching up fast.

        • colliemum says:

          “Turdification of education” – I love it!
          I agree totally with your proposals re education. In fact, governments really ought to push this with all their might because age-related dementia can be slowed significantly if not prevented by people using their brains, i.e. through learning, rather than hang on the couch watching telly 24/7.
          Sadly, after WWII there’s been a cultural swing in the West so that education, school learning even, has become a dirty concept. It doesn’t do to be seen as ‘clever’, to enjoy learning.
          It is now nearly forgotten that there were WEAs – Worker educational associations – all over Britain, with libraries, courses held in the evenings for workers and miners who had to leave school at an early age to earn money. These people highly valued education. That was especially the case in Wales. You’ve heard of the NHS … the politician who made it happen after WWII was Aneurin Bevan, a Labour politician, from the Welsh valleys. He learned everything he knew by haunting his local WEA at every opportunity …

          • Jen says:

            The WEA concept was exported to Australia in the early 20th century. It has had its ups and downs as well but WEA still survives in New South Wales and South Australia. I happen to be a student rep on the council of WEA Sydney.

          • et Al says:

            Not to mention how those who don’t go in to higher education have been failed. Basic stuff like government supported apprenticeships. Even the Germans do that! And industry complains about there not being enough people with the right skills when they could get them young and train them up along the way. Insanity.

            • colliemum says:

              No, you don’t understand: the nice thing for industry is that they do not have to spend time and money on apprenticeships! They can – and do – take and employ all those older, excellently educated, skilled EU foreigners, and pay them less than they would have to pay an equally educated Brit: minimum wage will do fine.
              As for the young Brits: well, they can either apply to go to Uni: get into huge debt to government, ‘learn’ some useless stuff like ‘media studies’, leave uni after three years and go straight onto the scrapheap of unemployed and unemployable welfare recipients. Those who do this usually need a course in remedial writing, reading and arithmetic. Those who don’t go to uni would need such course as well, but business can’t be bothered, it’s too expensive …
              Yeah, it’s a mess … but it’s not just industry and big businesses’ fault. The unholy alliance of left-wing academe and teachers’ unions have for generations (since the 1960s, IIRC) messed up school education, from primary to A-Levels.
              Also – the courses run by local councils, from remedial English to foreign languages, sewing, history, IT, swimming even, have been run down and curtailed for years now. After all, it’s only the older generation who values learning. Those under forty know that learning and studying is deeply uncool … so why do it.

    • marknesop says:

      Eliot Higgins is an excellent example of someone who thinks Google has made an international weapons expert out of a podgy washout. Ditto that tit Michael Weiss from Intwerpreter Mag.

      • yalensis says:

        But I read somewhere (don’t remember where) that some people say that some people think [this is starting to sound awfully speculative] that the podgy washout persona is actually the DEEP COVER. And that Higgins is actually a long-time secret agent, if not a debonair spy.

        Mirrors within mirrors…

        • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

          The real story is that he’s a character from a rejected ‘Archer’ episode script.

          • yalensis says:

            Yep. Malory Archer stops drinking for 5 minutes, just long enough to remember an old boyfriend. Back when she was organizing ISIS, she had a gigolo boy-toy named Eliot Higgins. His code name was “Brown Moses”, which was some kind of filthy in-joke.

            Malory seeks out her old flame, because she needs him for some skeezy “wet job”, only to find that Eliot has turned into this pudgy house-husband, and claims to have “retired” from the business.
            Upon further investigation, however, Sterling Archer and his eccentric pals learn that “Brown Moses” is still in the business, just working for a different “company” now….

        • Jen says:

          Yeah and the office where Brown Moses collects his dole cheques is where his MI5 minder works, disguised as the teller who passes the cheques to Higgins.

        • marknesop says:

          It does seem curious that the UN, Human rights Watch and Amnesty International all decided more or less simultaneously that they hearted Eliot Higgins like nobody else in the business, and that he was quite experten enough for their purposes. I just left a lengthy comment on OffGuardian, here, which dealt peripherally with Higgins and in which I discovered Human Rights investigations, a group which actively and successfully advocated for the dismissal of Suzanne Nossel, the former Executive Director of Amnesty International USA. Their stated reason was that “her advocacy of war to cement the US’ position of dominance worldwide made her completely unsuitable for the role”. I had never heard of Human Rights Investigations and I did not look too deeply into who they are, but it is a fact that Nossel resigned, it is a fact that her former employer was the U.S. State Department and there was a lot of interesting information on their site including the name of the social-media analysis group (WaG, Who Attacked Ghouta) which debunked Eliot Higgins’ UN-accepted analysis of the chemical attack that almost resulted in a U.S. cruise missile strike on Damascus.

          There seems to be a real rise in contrarian groups created to rebut nonsense. WaG was a purpose-designed rebuttal to Higgins’ chowderheaded conclusions, OffGuardian was created to allow people who could not be heard on The Guardian a forum in which to let rip, and this site was formed for much the same reasons as well.

  41. james says:

    from demian at moa – “We’re not cattle”: Kiev protesters throw manure at US embassy

  42. et Al says:

    WARNING! Please put on a pair of incontinence pants before reading. via Agence Frothy Press: Russian ships in old Arctic NATO base set alarms bells ringing

    Russian ships docked at what was once a secret Norwegian naval base in the Arctic have prompted concern from the NATO country’s former top military leaders, anxious about its resurgent eastern neighbour roaming nearby…

    … Skorgen and other critics say Norway has robbed itself of a crucial foothold in the far north, forcing its submarines to travel hundreds of extra miles from their bases to defend the region.

    On top of that, three Russian ships have spent the winter docked deep within the mountain hideaway, once a closely guarded military facility.

    “We are the only country along with Russia to have a permanent presence in the Barents Sea, where we share a common border. Obviously our navy should be stationed there, including our submarines,” Skorgen said.

    “If the ships aren’t there where they are needed, they might as well be scrapped altogether.”

    The way the base changed hands and ended up being rented to Russian research vessels — some of them seismic survey ships reportedly linked to state-owned energy giant Gazprom — has added further fuel to their anger.

    When no buyers answered the armed forces’ initial advert on Norway’s version of eBay, a Norwegian businessman clinched the deal in 2013 for a mere 40 million kroner ($5 million, 4.6 million euros) — a steal given that NATO ploughed nearly 4 billion kroner into its construction. …

    …In an ironic twist to the tale, the decision to close the base was taken by the leftist government of Jens Stoltenberg, who has gone on to become NATO’s current secretary general and who has warned countries not to lower their guard when it comes to Russia…

    I laughed, laughed and laughed.

    • Tim Owen says:

      Ah god that is sweet.

    • marknesop says:

      That is funny. It’s a curious phenomenon how, whenever Russia does anything remotely associated with the military, it is “aggressive” and “resurgent”. The rest of the time we are assured it is isolated, friendless and weak.

    • colliemum says:

      Wasn’t there someone who once said something along the lines of the last capitalist selling the rope to those who would hang him with it …?

    • Jen says:

      The punch-line provided by someone from the Norwegian defence ministry was the funniest part of the article: ” … Any suspected irregular activity is a matter for the police and legal authorities.”

      No doubt if the local police and magistrate were to find any suspicious activity that warranted reporting to NATO, they can call on Stoltenberg and he can ferry Breedlove and other NATO brass down to the base as part of his volunteer job as taxi driver.

  43. Warren says:

    Published on 3 Apr 2015
    3 апреля, гостем ток-шоу “Люди. Hard Talk” стал народный депутат Украины, лидер “Правого сектора” Дмитрий Ярош.

  44. Warren says:

  45. Pavlo Svolochenko says:

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Yeah, but Ilya Muromets, a Russian from Murom, situated some 170 miles due east of Moscow, who became top Bogatyr in Kiev, which he defended against the Untermenschen from the steppes, had three paths to chose from and carved on a stone where the paths went their different ways was information about the consequences of choosing the different directions: one way led to wealth, another to having a wife, the third to death.

      Ilya had wealth enough, considered it a waste of time taking a wife at his age, and so he chose the path to death – sort of “been there, seen, it, done it” as regards the rejected choices.

      He didn’t die though: along the path he came across a gang of bandits, who set upon him, but Ilya killed them all, returned to the stone and carved into it: “There is no danger of Ilya dying in battle”.

      He chooses the other paths – and they led to other adventures.

      Hard to translate – sort of “Oh fuck!”

    • yalensis says:

      The khokhol walks into a room, the mural on the wall is as depicted as above, showing the khokhol what might be in store for him, depending on his choice.

      In front of the khokhol are 2 closed doors, identical to each other.
      In front of each door stands a mute cossack, they are also identical to each other.

      An unseen voice from above informs the khokhol:

      “Behind one of the doors is the Angel, who will guide you to a happy and productive life.”
      “Behind the other door is the Devil, who will guide you to a life of sheer hell and misery.”
      “You are allowed to pose one and only question to either of the 2 cossacks.”
      “Note that one of the cossacks always tells the truth, whereas the other one always lies.”
      “I will not tell you which is which.”
      “Now go ahead, turn to one of the cossacks, and pose your single question.”

      The khokhol randomly picks one of the cossacks and asks him:
      “On the devil side of that mural, who is that weird guy with the Beatle haircut?”

      • Jen says:

        Of course, the khokhol is supposed to say to one of the cossacks: Now if I were to ask your pal which of the doors the Angel stands behind, which one would he pick?

        The mute cossack points to one door so the khokhol, if he is a clever khokhol, will pick the other door and go through it.

        Because if the mute cossack so addressed always tells the truth, then his pal is the liar so whatever his pal chooses will always be the wrong door.

        If the mute cossack is the liar, then he will always lie about what his truthful friend says.

        I learnt that from watching the old Doctor Who story “The Pyramids of Mars” where a similar dilemma faced the Doctor.

        • yalensis says:

          Dear Jen:

          For a hilarious twist on this classic logic puzzle, you should listen to John Finnemore’s “Logic Puzzle” skit from his radio show.
          On this tape, it is the second skit, starting at 1:45 minutes in.
          “The Quest to reach the Sapphire City”.

          John does the more complicated version of the puzzle, where a “toggler” is introduced, that’s a robot who toggles back and forth from truthing and lying. And then it gets even more complicated! LOL….

          • Oddlots says:

            That was great.

            • yalensis says:

              Finnemore is damned brilliant!
              It has been said that he has all the wit and cleverness of Monty Python, but without the internal rage.
              Another one of Finnemore skits that I particular like (and there are so many great ones) is the “Emperor’s New Clothes”, in which the Emperor has to learn that some invisible forces really do exist:

        • marknesop says:

          As did the young lady in “Labyrinth”. Did you recognize the female lead as a very young Jennifer Connelly? the part of the wicked Jareth was played brilliantly by David Bowie. It’s a kid’s film, of course, and that’s how I became acquainted with it (renting it for my children), but it’s actually very entertaining and a masterpiece of puppetry and costume.

          • yalensis says:

            A possible flaw in the set-up to the puzzle is the “meta-data” aspect, analogous to Russell’s paradox. Namely, when one of the guardians (presumably the Truther) explains the situation to the traveller (“One guardian always tells the truth, the other always lies.”), he is self-referentially including himself in the set-up to the puzzle.

            It’s a cleaner puzzle when the set-up is presented by some higher force, at an earlier stage of the process (“In your quest, you will arrive at 2 doors, each guarded by a guardian… etc.”), and not by one of the guardians himself.

            For example, what if it were the case that BOTH guardians always lie?
            Then, the guardian who gives her the setup ( “One of us always tells the truth, the other always lies.”) is lying. (You have to assume that the above sentence is a single utterance, not 2 utterances combined into one sentence, otherwise this Guardian is a Toggler, which leads to its own set of paradoxes…..)

            But let’s assume that both Guardians always lie.
            Hence, when she turns to one guardian randomly and asks: “If I were to ask the other guardian which door leads to my goal, which door would he point to”, the guardian would actually point to the Good Door. And she would then go through the Bad Door.
            The one that leads to tigers carrying guns.

            ’cause, see, if I asked Liar #1, which is the Good Door, he would point to the Bad Door.
            But if I asked Liar #1 “What door would the other guy [Liar #2] point to as the Good Door?”, then Liar #1 knows that Liar #2 would point to the Bad Door. So Liar #1 would point to the Good Door.

            • marknesop says:

              Sometimes it’s better to just believe the sun is a God, and not spoil a prosaic belief system with too much science. Hey, do you know what scientists use for birth control? Their personalities.

      • marknesop says:

        Ha, ha, ha!!!! I wish you could have done my Bar Mitzvah!! well, if I had one, of course, which it occurs to me I never did, probably because I am not Jewish. But you know what I mean. You see the funny side of everything. We should definitely firm up our itinerary for visiting the Burgess Shale. we will not even need to turn on the radio, we will just laugh all the way there.

    • marknesop says:

      That’s fantastic!!! It would have made a brilliant cover photo for my article!!

  46. yalensis says:

    On Russian cultural front:
    Russian television has recruited Danil Grachev (the man on the right in the photo) as one of the co-hosts on the NTV morning talk show “Coffee with Milk”. Danil is the 31-year-old native of Donetsk. Previously he had several shows on Ukrainian television. His specialty is fashion and shopping. Grachev’s shopping show “The Goddess of Shopping” was shown in Russia and became popular, as did he.
    On 30 March, just a few days ago, NTV announced that Grachev was moving to Russia and would take up the position on their line-up for their morning talk show, along with hosts Aleksei Lysenkov, Leonid Margolin and Liza Zharkikh.

    Soon enough, however, controversy broke out in the blogosphere. Many people upset by Grachev’s previous political views: On his Ukrainian shows he had been critical of Russia.
    Now Grachev says that, since moving to Russia, he has changed his political opinions.
    He even showed up at the studio wearing a Putin t-shirt , and has apologized to Russians for his former “Russophobia”.

    Grachev said that, when living in Ukraine over the past year, he was brainwashed, but now that he lives in Russia, he sees the other side of the story. He is very happy to get the NTV gig.

    • marknesop says:

      A handsome fellow, clearly Finno-Ugric. I doubt even if he were some sort of deep-cover Kiev mole that he could do very much damage, and that’s very unlikely, but it bears remembering that Bill Browder was once quite the horn-tooter for Putin as well.

  47. Warren says:

    UK Intelligence Services Attack SNP

    The fake FCO memo has MI5 written all over it. This is the worst example of British security services influencing an election campaign since the Zinoviev letter.

    For those whose history is a bit shaky:

    The Zinoviev letter – one of the greatest British political scandals of this century – was forged by a MI6 agent’s source and almost certainly leaked by MI6 or MI5 officers to the Conservative Party, according to an official report published today.[4 Feb 1999]
    New light on the scandal which triggered the fall of the first Labour government in 1924 is shed in a study by Gill Bennett, chief historian at the Foreign Office, commissioned by Robin Cook

    Ever since Treasury Permanent Secretary Nicholas MacPherson stated that civil service impartiality rules do not apply in the case of Scottish independence, I have been warning the SNP that we are going to be the target of active subversion by the UK and US security services. We are seen as a danger to the British state and thus a legitimate target. I spelled this out in my talk to the Edinburgh SNP Club on 6 March, of which more below.

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