Alexei Bayer Dips a Toe Into the Gene Pool

Uncle Volodya says, "Bullshit is unavoidable whenever circumstances require someone to talk without knowing what he is talking about. Thus the production of bullshit is stimulated whenever a person’s obligations or opportunities to speak about some topic are more excessive than his knowledge of the facts that are relevant to that topic."

Uncle Volodya says, “Bullshit is unavoidable whenever circumstances require someone to talk without knowing what he is talking about. Thus the production of bullshit is stimulated whenever a person’s obligations or opportunities to speak about some topic are more excessive than his knowledge of the facts that are relevant to that topic.”

You all remember Alexei Bayer, right? The “native Muscovite” – which I suppose is technically true although he left the land of his birth while a teenager and moved to the Land Of Opportunity, where he is now an economist living in New York.  For an economist he seems to have an awful lot of free time to write about subjects other than economics, which he does prolifically, for authoritative sources such as The Moscow Times and The Kyiv Post.

Not content with dominating merely two fields, however, he has recently sundered the surly bonds of academia and branched out into genealogy. Making his DNA debut in The Kyiv Post, Alexei solves the mystery of why the rascally Moskali are so scornful of Ukrainians – the true nobility of Eastern Europe. Hold onto your hats, folks; this is big.

Most Russians are not Slavs at all, but descendants of the Finno-Ugric tribes. Lyosha does not advance that theory himself – relying instead on some “recent study” which he does not cite – but he is happy to pass it along as credible. That’s his job.

He hastens to soothe that it doesn’t really matter where you’re from; bloodlines are not important in people the way they are in horses or dogs, and Russians don’t have to hate on Ukrainians because Russians are not real Slavs and Ukrainians are. They should get with the times and acknowledge that nationality has always been a matter of self-identification. Remember that astonishing statement, because you’ll be hearing it again.

First, though, let’s put that startling discovery on hold for a moment, and go back to the beginning; where is Lyosha getting his core tenet – that Russians exhibit “disdain” for Ukrainians? Since, as best I can make out, the situation is completely reversed?

Remember, you’re Olenka; if you want to be called Alyona, you have to pack your bags and go to Moscowexhorts west-Ukrainian mental patient Irina Farion, guardian of the purity of the Ukrainian language, speaking to a child in nursery school who looks to be about four years old. The former member of the Soviet Communist Party and one-time member of the Ukrainian Parliament (from Lviv Oblast, ground zero for Russian hatred and Bandera worship in Ukraine) found her groove as a disciple of Nazi enabler Stepan Bandera and a hater of everything Russian. Responding to a report of arrested protesters in Kharkiv, in eastern Ukraine, Farion said, “I would act much tougher; I would just shoot them. The enemy reigns in our land. These parasites deserve only one thing – death”.  Hear that, Alexei – or should I call you “Oleksandr”? That means you, too. Now might be a good time for you to exercise that self-identification you spoke of, and declare yourself Ukrainian born. Lucky for you the wheels are coming off her wagon and she now sees little Kremlin agents snorkeling in her soup.

Meanwhile, social change was proceeding apace on its own before nutjobs decided to hijack the language issue and ride it into battle. In 1990-91, 48% of schoolchildren nationwide were receiving instruction in the Ukrainian language.  A decade later the percentage was 73.5%.

Fellow Ukrainian government psycopath Arsen Avakov said on television that Kiev should have bombed the  Regional Administration Building in Donetsk when protesters seized it. Nobody from the west said “Shut your mouth, Avakov, protesters have every right to be there”, the way they did during the Glorious Maidan, when Angela Merkel moaned that protesters must be granted a warm room in which they could wind down from the chilly excitement of protesting (thus excusing their occupation of government buildings where they did thousands of dollars worth of damage), and to use as their “logistical base” from which to plan their next move. See how it works? When it’s a group of hairbags who have the west’s backing because what they want to do serves western interests, the crying towel comes out. When that’s not the case, the state is perfectly within its right to suppress dissent.

Where was all that flannel about self-identification, Lyosha, when the people of the eastern Ukraine identified themselves as a distinct society that would not be subject to Kiev’s orders, and would use its language of choice to the extent it chose, although it wished to remain an autonomous republic of Ukraine?

In the world of hate-twisted western bootlicker and useless popinjay Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the U.S. State Department’s hand-picked Prime Minister of Ukraine, it was the USSR that invaded peaceful Nazi Germany. You can only imagine the  collective gasp from the world if Vladimir Putin had so blithely rewritten history on international television. After Yatsenyuk’s reversal of history everyone knows to be correct…crickets.

And Russia’s reaction? Mild official complaints, and an  offer to extend Ukraine’s gas discount for an additional three months, to a country which publicly and regularly vilifies Russia, screams that it is being cheated and refuses to pay its debts. In fact, Lyosha, I challenge you publicly – come on this forum and provide examples of Russia’s “disdain for Ukraine”. Don’t even bother to try on that “Putin said Ukraine is not even a real country”, either, because he didn’t ever say that and the only evidence you will find is westerners who claim to have heard him say it, just like that lying Polish sausage Radek Sikorski said Putin offered to split Ukraine with Poland. “Russia’s attitude to Ukraine and things Ukrainian reflects deeply ingrained imperial complexes, revealing that, while the Soviet Empire collapsed in 1991, the Russian Empire still lingers in the minds of the citizens of the Russian Federation”. That so, Alexei? Explain how, and give examples.

In fact, it is NATO that continued in decades past to aggressively expand its empire, and shouted its right to push right up against the face of Russia itself.

Back to Alexei’s startling discovery that Russians are mostly not even Slavs, which makes ridiculous the notion that Russians and Ukrainians could be “brother Slavs”.

Both “modern Russian” and Ukrainian, as well as Byelorussian, are descended from Common Slavonic or Proto-Slavonic, a language that is itself descended from Indo-European, and which was developed and spoken by the Slavic Tribes after their separation from the Indo-European Tribes. The three languages mentioned at the beginning of the paragraph originated as mutually intelligible dialectal forms, and remain so. Common Slavonic is also referred to as “Old Russian”. From this language there was a further split, into modern Russian, Ukrainian and Byelorussian, spoken by the group identified as Eastern Slavs. Although written Ukrainian emerged in 988, it was not recognized as a language until 1906. Byelorussian was not recognized as a distinct language until after the Russian revolution of 1917.

Every modern study places the Russian and Ukrainian people among the East Slavs, along with the Byelorussians, as reflected in the common root of their present languages. The Finno-Ugric natives in Russia were already there, and were either pushed out or assimilated by the Russian expansion. Doubtless some common roots remain – examples are the present-day Yakut and Udmurt people, although of those only the Udmurt are of Finno-Ugric descent. The Udmurt number only about 1.5 million in a nation of 144 million. Alexei Bayer is full of shit. I would be remiss if I did not point out that the Udmurt in Russia have their own Republic, flag, anthem and coat of arms within Russia.

“Vladimir Putin recently declared that Ukrainians and Russians are “one folk” – meaning, of course, that Ukrainians are Russian. An extraordinary number of his countrymen share this belief. Imagine a prime minister of the United Kingdom insisting that Americans are not a nation but merely Brits with funny accents.” Increasingly bizarre extrapolations from this serial prevaricator. The painstaking research of hundreds of academics suggests if not proves that Russians and Ukrainians are indeed “one folk” – the suggestion that this means Ukrainians are Russians was never offered by Putin, and you can thank Bayer and Bayer alone, the economist/writer/geneticist, for the spurious interpretation. Putin likewise did not ever say that Ukraine was not a nation, and this is merely more of Bayer’s barefaced lying.

Everyone knows who the native Americans are, and there are damned few of them left. He could have picked a better example, considering Russia mostly assimilated the native populations of lands which currently form the Russian Federation, and many still retain their language and elements of their culture. Can one say the same of the Comanche, Apache, Pawnee and Blackfoot tribes?

Winding up this broadside of bullshit, following a brief discourse on “what actually matters in the modern world” according to Alexei the Globetrotting Philosopher, is his hallmark hypothesis that “The Russian Empire is in its death throes”. Bla, bla, fucking bla, how many times have we heard this? Alexei Bayer has been forecasting the “death of the Russian Empire”, whatever that is, for almost 10 years now. Just as well Jimi Hendrix didn’t spend so long in his death throes – he might have lived to write disco.

This specious flattery of the Ukrainians at the expense of the Russians is all of a piece with the western effort to drive a wedge of hate between Russians and Ukrainians that can never be removed. If it continues, the west may well end up with nothing but a tiny piece of what was once Ukraine, populated by Nazi-worshipers with a sense of entitlement the size of the Dubai Shopping Mall, who will expect to be given everything for free in exchange for their steadfast clinging to a fanatic’s ideology. It would be well to remember this sentiment is not shared at the state level by any Russians, nor by most Ukrainians. It is a narrow and western-driven viewpoint that, as usual, serves western foreign policy interests. On the one side, centuries of academic research demonstrating our very best conclusions as questing, curious knowledge seekers that Ukrainians and Russians descend from the same ethnic group, and that origin is neither Ukrainian or Russian. On the other, Alexei Bayer with his oleaginous tapestry of twaddle, the Ukrainian junta of fascists, oligarchs and strategically-injected foreigners, and the western political and business lobby.

You pays your money, and you takes your chances.

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812 Responses to Alexei Bayer Dips a Toe Into the Gene Pool

  1. PaulR says:

    ‘Russia has come 15th out of 69 countries for the friendliness of its customer service’:

    What a change from the sour, dismal utterly unpleasant lack of service I used to experience in the Soviet Union.

    • marknesop says:

      Miriam Elder will be disappointed; articles about the surly, ill-tempered staff of various Russian establishments were her stock in trade. Still, it’s an ill wind that blows nobody good, what?

      • Moscow Exile says:

        I sometimes prefer the old Soviet way to that sometimes erroneously adopted by young receptionists who are trying to ape Western mores or who have been wrongly instructed in their use of English.

        Russians often just say “Please!” (пожалуйста) when giving or offering something politely, as do Germans when they say “Bitte!” but this sounds like a request to English speakers’ ears.

        Of late I’ve noticed that many young women receptionists here now say “You’re welcome!” when, say, handing me back my passport that they’ve just checked or my pass that allows me access via a security turnstile, which makes me tempted to reply: “To what?”

        I like being grumpy.

        It suits me.


        • Drutten says:

          I noticed this too, but I think that such “translation quirks” are cute. My lady has a whole lot of them when speaking English to me, and I don’t bother correcting her because I quite like it. Maybe that’s bad practice? 🙂

          • yalensis says:

            (1) Keep the quirks.
            (2) NEVER correct your girlfriend’s grammar, even if she asks you to do it.
            (That is my relationship advice.)

            (If she truly wants to improve her grammar, she can hire a professional tutor.)

            Same advice goes for everything:
            Never teach your girlfriend how to drive.
            Never teach your girlfriend to how ski.
            For all of these things, hire a professional tutor!

            • marknesop says:

              Or teach her that the phrase in English for “useless bastard” is “sexy beast” so that she will call you the latter whenever she is annoyed with you. Alas! my wife’s English is far too accomplished for her to be taken in by such a ploy.

          • Tim Owen says:

            My sister is quite dyslexic. She has been known to make references to orthopaedic Jews and once told a dinner party that she was travelling to Scotland via courgette.

            Her husband has a fun game where he will subtly find reason to repeat these mistakes. Not immediately after or too repeatedly, just enough to lull her into a sense of security. She has learned to listen for these patterns now.

            I on the other hand like to take advantage of my wife’s lack of curiosity and so understanding of mechanical things. I had her quite convinced that she has not been taking advantage of the turbo in her car and showed her – when I happened to be driving it – that you could activate the turbo by pressing a – spare and useless – button on the dash. She complained that when she tried it it didn’t work. It was only when I suggested that the backup method was to “clap” it on and off that she began to smell a rat.

            My son was straight-faced through both exchanges bless him.

            • marknesop says:

              Ha, ha!! My ex-wife once referred to people who were starving as “emancipated” rather than “emaciated”, and the wife who preceded her would sometimes not speak to me for several days after losing at Scrabble on something I put down that she insisted was not a word until she was shown it in a dictionary. But I would never have known what a courgette was if not for Wife #2, who was an Englishwoman from Bournemouth – likewise biro, Durex and boot (in place of what North Americans refer to as the trunk and Russians call the bagazhnik).

              • marknesop says:

                She grew up on Holdenhurst Road, but by the time I knew her she and her Mum lived in a council flat and I can’t remember the street. Before her Dad died, he liked to hang out at a pub called the Talbot Rise, and she attended Bournemouth Seconday Modern. That’s most of what I remember from her life in England, although I did visit Bournemouth with her once and quite liked the place, very pretty and it had a lovely location. I didn’t notice any racism, but – sadly – white people are often blind to that, and I remember Bournemouth as almost exclusively white at the time anyway, it would have been in the mid-80’s. I’ve read here and there, more recently, of a real undercurrent of regional violence and criminality in the South of England, which is a real shame because I remember it as so peaceful, and it was a lovely summer that year, there was real sunshine that did not have to be piped in from Scotland.

                Addendum: I found it, by googling Holdenhurst Road and moving the map around a little. When I visited Bournemouth she lived on Turbary Park Avenue. I don’t know how I could have forgotten it, I wrote it on what seemed like hundreds of envelopes while she was still living in England and I lived here. I originally hired her as a live-in nanny to look after my two young children (who are now in their 30’s) after I got full custody in the divorce from my first wife. The English lass and I were married two years to the day she arrived in Canada, and persevered in the matrimonial state for 16 more. She remarried since after returning to England and now lives on one of the Channel Islands, I forget which one.

        • marknesop says:

          Elder’s complaint was of staff in various establishments saying to her – presumably after she had been browsing for a few minutes – “Girl!! What do you want??”.

          I was never so addressed in any store or establishment in Russia. Well, I am plainly not a girl, but you know what I mean. I did not notice the peculiarly western tendency, not at all appreciated by me, to flutter about the customer two seconds after they get in the door inquiring if they could help me (something that in many stores is indicative of staff who work on commission and have to compete against one another, and in at least one large Canadian furniture and housewares chain it is typical to sack the lowest-selling salesman every month). Counter staff usually remained at the counter and busied themselves with something else, which they would put down if I decided I wanted to buy something. I would have characterized their manner as polite but not effusive. Perhaps it is just me, but I do not feel the need to be treated as if I am a visiting Prince from an exotic land or the discoverer of penicillin on each occasion I wish to purchase a packet of winegums or aspirin.

          • PaulR says:

            I am often amused by Russians calling me ‘molodoi chelovek’ (‘young man’), the male equivalent of saying ‘girl’. I guess that one day soon that won’t happen any more.

            • o'reb says:

              Russian “devushka” might be better translated as “young lady”, or something similar (it is a polite way to address someone). Addressing a young woman as “girl” in English is certainly much ruder, so I don’t particularly like the devushka=girl translation… even though it’s technically somewhat accurate. Plus, sometimes translation confusion might be caused by the existence another similar word that really does translate as “girl”: devochka. But only a very rude or weird person would address a female stranger of any age greater than ~15-16 as “devochka”.

            • james says:

              paul – enjoy the ‘young man’ label while it lasts, lol… you will reach an age soon enough where you will be wishing someone called you that!

            • Jen says:

              Hey Paul, when your little grandson says to you, as my nephew said to my dad when the little rascal was five years old: “How old are you? What’s your age? … You’re nearly dead, you know”, that’s when you realise you’re no longer a young man.

              • colliemum says:

                Ah – but in my experience, being a ‘young man’ or indeed a ‘young woman’ forever is vastly overrated.
                Frankly, I love being officially ‘old’ (not got the white curls yet I dream of having one day, sigh) because there have never been so many properly young men (strangers!) who flirt with me and give me hugs, or whom I can hug when I want to, LOL! And those of my age of course flirt as well.

                So don’t despair, Paul – the young ladies will flock to you once you’re deemed to be ‘properly’ old! Trust me, I know whereof I speak: it happened to my late husband …

              • marknesop says:

                I don’t have any grandchildren, but if I had a five-year-old grandchild now and he said that, I am still strong enough to throw him out a window that is over my head.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Saying “dyevushka” (девушка) in Russian when addressing a woman is cognate with using the term “miss” in English.

            What is wrong with that?

            In Modern Russian there are no cognates for “mister”, “missus” and “miss” as used in titles (Mr., Mrs., Miss) when formally addressing people: if one does not know the man to whom one is speaking, it is not impolite in Russian to address him as “man”; likewise, “woman” or “miss” is not considered impolite when addressing women with whom one is not formally acquainted. Furthermore, “miss” is used in Russian to address in a flattering way women of no acquaintance, namely when the addressee is clearly no longer a “spring chicken”.

            The way Russians “compensate” for the absence of such titular forms of formal address that exists in other European languages is to use the full name of the person to whom one speaks, namely his name, patronymic and family name: calling me Denis Denisovich Exile is the equivalent in Russian of calling me “Mr. Exile”, albeit for foreign men there is the term “gospodin” (господин – roughly equivalent to “gentleman”): I am sometimes formally addressed here as Gospodin Exile and often presented as such by “dyevushki” in offices – by “office girls”.

            Once introductions have been made, only the given name and patronymic is used, which is still a formal away of addressing someone. When a relationship builds up between the interlocutors, first names are used. When this happens, the interlocutors formally agree to use the terms ty, tebya, tvoi etc. (ты, тевя, твойthou, thee, thy) when speaking with each other. After this stage of social intimacy has been reached, one then has the ability to use the seemingly endless diminutive forms of first names, e.g. Volodya and Vova, to name but a few of the choices at hand for Vladimir – but not “Vlad”!

            It having been agreed between parties to use the 2nd person singular (thou) when addressing one another, it is then deemed to be a great insult to revert to the formal 2nd person plural (you): friendships in Russia are taken seriously and are meant to be forever.

            When I lived in England 30 years ago, I used to say “miss” when addressing “shopgirls” who were of a lower social order than I was at the time, namely they were working class “girls” and I was a man, no matter that I too was a proletarian. However, speaking in a friendly way to “girls” or women, I would have usually addressed them as “love”. I wonder what Elder would have thought if a shop assistant had addressed her as “love”?

            I suppose it is “old-fashioned” now in England – perhaps even frowned upon – to use such a “sexist” term as “miss”, for it seems to me that many British citizens, who are much younger than I am, wish to follow slavishly United States social mores, hence all those “guys” that live in England now and who were certainly not present 30 years ago where, up until that time I had Iived for two-thirds of my life: there were plenty of “lads” though, and the “girls” were called “lasses”.

            I daresay that in her correspondence, New Yorker Elder demands that she be addressed with that American militant feminist concoction “Ms” and is regarded in her home town as a “lady” because, for some unfathomable reason, speakers of US English seem to consider the term “woman” to be somehow vulgar, rather as they do the term “toilet”, which they often coyly choose to refer to as a “bathroom” or ‘rest-room” etc.

            The word “dyevushka” is the diminutive of “dyeva” (дева), which in turn means “maid” in the sense of “virgin”.

            The word “virgin” comes from the Latin “virgo”.

            The English word “maid” is of Germanic origin and comes from the Old English mægden; the diminutive form of “maid” is “maiden”, as in “blushing maiden”: cf. the Modern German cognates “Magd” and “Mädchen”.

            The word “maid” in Modern English is now chiefly used, if indeed it is still used at all, to describe a servant woman, because in the past such women were usually unmarried girls: as soon as they married, they left domestic service, the word is still used pejoratively in the term “old maid”, as indeed it still is in Russian: “staraya dyeva” (старая дева).

            In complaining about being addressed as “girl” in copy that she wired to the Guardian offices from Moscow, Elder was either exhibiting her profound ignorance of Russian social mores or simply churning out meaningless shite about Russia for the peculiar delight of her Russophobic editors – or both.

            I shall probably be in Londonstan or Moskva-na-Temze or whatever this summer – worse luck! – and will try out addressing shop girls there as “miss” and judge their reaction.

            Конец урока!


            Only joking about London! My children are demanding that they be shown Big Ben, the Tower, the Changing of the Guard at Buckingham Palace etc. London, is, of course a megalopolis where one would be sorely tested to find nothing of interest to do and see, but it is just too big a place, too overwhelming, for me and I should much prefer to take my Mongol-Tatar Mischlinge to the countryside, to the English Lake District for example.

            • marknesop says:

              A girl who works in the grocery store I frequent regularly addresses me as “Hon”, short for “Honey”, and I certainly don’t mind it at all. But I think the gist of Elder’s argument – which was subjective, as usual – was that the staff had “barked” at her; it wasn’t what they said, it was how they said it, I suppose. Perhaps she figured they should have sensed her foreign connections, and been more obsequious.

  2. Moscow Exile says:

    The Grauniad rag is something else!

    The fastest way to spread extremism is with the censor’s boot

    Second reader’s comment to the above article:

    Flagella 44m ago
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    • marknesop says:

      “Particularly timely given the Toronto Symphony Orchestra’s dropping of the great Ukrainian pianist Valentina Lisitsa from their bill – still offering to pay her, mind you – because diaspora activists in Canada were angry that she does not support the war. All that stuff about her “advocating the genocide of Ukrainians” is completely made up. She is opposed to the junta government in Kiev, and that’s enough to get you censored in Canada thanks to our large diaspora of descendants of World War II extremists.”

      Let’s see how long that stays up.

      • Kulobi says:

        Banderites in the Australian diaspora have also been quite vocal lately. Unfortunately, their crusade against Russian imperialism has suffered a setback: the National Gallery of Victoria is going to host a major exhibition “Masterpieces from the Hermitage: The Legacy of Catherine the Great” later this year:
        The local descendants of WWII extremists are “appalled” that old Flemish masters will serve Evil Putin’s agenda of selling “the bloody invasion” to gullible Aussies.

        I reckon this little oeuvre by Snyders could actually be adopted by the Ukraine Anti-Corruption Committee Debating Team (cf. Moscow Exile below) as a soothing wallpaper or something

        • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

          I have yet to meet an Australian-Ukrainian and not feel a certain wistful affection for the NKVD executioners.

      • yalensis says:

        A commenter named “ButFactsAreSacred” replied with this convincing rebuttal:
        Another propagandist for the junta in Moscow.

        • james says:

          that reminds me of something i would say in reverse, lol.. not sure what that says about me, but i think it isn’t good!

    • ucgsblog says:

      Of course! If only the new Iraqi government wasn’t more brutal in their censorship than Saddam, ISIS would never have gotten off the ground! /sarcasm

  3. Drutten says:

    This is kinda interesting, I must say (hope it shows up alright).

    Moscow’s skyline in 2000:

    And today, 15 years later:

    • Moscow Exile says:

      May 9th “Victory Day”

      Stalin Towers

      Foreground: Moscow State Lomonosov University

      Middle ground right: spire of Foreign Ministry

      Middle ground left: Hotel Ukraina

      New towers middle distance: Moscow “City”

      Fly-over of tanker and fighter escort, part of general fly-over held on Victory Day.

      • Drutten says:

        It’s not a tanker, it’s an Ilyushin Il-86VKP, an airborne command aircraft with a characteristic communications dome on top. Rather similar to the US Boeing E-4 Aerial Command Post.

        Still, that’s a mighty fine shot.

        I should also add that the diagram I posted is not entirely true yet, the tallest 2015 skyscraper (the East Federation tower) is not yet fully topped-out, but it’s almost there:

  4. Jeremn says:

    The cease-fire seems to be spluttering, and more controls are being slapped on the border between the Ukrainian Army and the Donbass militias. I read this list of restrictions imposed by governor Moskal:

    And noted, amongst them, this little insight that all is not well in the UA:

    “In addition, Moskal prohibited selling alcohol to servicemen. The temporary restrictions were put into place in nine out of twelve districts of Luhansk region, and the ban on selling alcohol to servicemen was also in effect in three regional cities (Severodonetsk, Lysychansk and Rubizhne), the press service said.”

  5. yalensis says:

    Two (somewhat contradictory) pieces about Kirgizia:

    (1) Russia is back at Kirgizian airbase Kant. [yalensis: Recall that for several years, this Russian airbase was foolishly handed over to Americans, and then it took quite a lot of time to evict them. Now Russians are back.]
    Russians intend to fortify the airbase and install a drone unit.
    In 2009 the Kirgizi rented the base to Russia for a 49-year lease, with an option to extend for additional 25 years. Russia pays Bishkek 4.5 million dollars annually for the rent.
    Another side of increasing military cooperation between Russia and Kirgizia is the opening of a new base in Osh, scheduled for 2017.

    (2) Kirgizia has decided to do away with St. George ribbons.
    In planning for the 70th anniversay of Victory Day (9 Ma), which coincides with Kirgizia entering the Eurasian Economic Union (with Russia and Belorussia), the Kirgizi, just like the Belorussians, have decided not to use the St. George ribbon as decoration. Rather, they (like the Belorussians) will decorate with the colours of their own flags. The President of Kirgizia, Almazbek Atambaev, has made this directive and passed it on to the mayor of Bishkek, even though he (Atambaev) denies that he is involved in this decision.

    The bit about the St. George ribbons is not necessarily related to what is happening in Ukraine. The article points out that this controversy has been brewing for a couple of years now, from before the Ukrainian junta. Kirgiz Opps who opposed, at the time, Kirgizia entering economic union with Russia, launched a campaign against St. George ribbons as symbols of Russian imperialism; and they point to the Tsarist suppression of the Central Asian rebellion in 1916.

    The article continues, with a lot of interesting historical information, and analysis of the various factions in Kirgiz politics, the pro-Westerners vs. the pro-Russia lobby. For now, the pro-Russia side has won, in the sense that Kirgizia will enter the Eurasian Union on 9 May. But the Americans NGO’s are still there too, and they never let up nor sleep. In particular, the article mentions an NGO called Tech Camp, which is always busy stirring up colour revolutions, most noticeably in Maidan, Tahrir Square (Egypt), and also very active in Kirgizia. In mid-2014 several American advisors and “trainers” arrived in Bishkek, presumably to stir up violent revolution.

    • yalensis says:

      LInk for (2) didn’t show up in comment:

      • Kulobi says:

        I have to disagree. The base at Kant has been operated by the Russian armed forces since 2003, non-stop. It was never used by the Americans; NATO operated out of the Manas International airport near Bishkek, about 30 kms from Kant. The yanks were kicked out in 2013 by the Kyrgyz government. The article in Vzgliad merely states that the base in Kant will be bolstered by a unit of drones, to augment its fixed wing plane and helicopter component.

        Re. St George ribbons, there was never a directive either from the President’s office or the mayor of Bishkek. As the Vice-Mayor commented, “How could we ban this ribbon? It doesn’t have an official status, it’s a people’s symbol”.

        The entire brouhaha was apparently stirred by a plethora of “pro-democracy NGOs” (TM), and ‘objectively covered’ and disseminated by Azattyq Radio (the Kyrgyz language clone of Radio Free Europe).

        • cartman says:

          The terrorist Abdolmalek Rigi was flying to Manas airport when his plane was forced to land by the Iranians. That airport is crawling with CIA, so it is one of the best examples of Washington getting caught red handed supporting terrorism.

        • yalensis says:

          Dear kulobi:
          I apologize if I got a fact wrong.
          Apparently the Americans were at Manas base .
          The reason I thought Americans were at Kant … well, this is embarrassing..
          but I remember a couple of years ago reading a piece (and of course I don’t have the link any more) about how Americans pilots joked about flying into “Kant”, because it was pronounced exactly like “cunt”. That’s why it stuck in my mind.
          In any case, I got the impression that Kirgizi elite got drunk and temporarily flirted with Americans, but now they are sober again.


        • marknesop says:

          Good catch, Kulobi.

  6. Moscow Exile says:

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    Up yours, Obama!

  7. Moscow Exile says:

    The Ukraine Struggle for Democracy and Independence in its War Against Russian Aggression!

    New, living history added to Ukraine school books!

    • Moscow Exile says:

      The Ukraine has decided to add to history books a new paragraph about the military confrontation in the Donbass during its current civil war, which is being called “The Struggle for Democracy and Independence” and Russia is portrayed as an enemy of the Ukraine.

      In tutorials there have been added about 30 pages to a new history of the country and these pages have been sent to more than 18, 000 schools in the Ukraine, reports “Vesti”.

      “The revolution of Dignity 2013-2014 and the war of the Ukrainian people against Russian aggression have been the central events of modern history – not only in the Ukraine, but all over Europe and the whole world”, says the textbook. At the Ukraine Ministry of Education and Science took place this week a presentation of the updated textbooks. In the some educational institutions trial lessons are being conducted using the new text book. The authors of the book say they do not want to paint a negative image of Russia and that they oppose the creation of ethnic hostility, but certain phrases are questionable. For example: “Many people were aware that the subordination of the Ukraine by Russia could mean the physical destruction and genocide of the Ukrainian people”. Students may still have the opportunity to argue with what is written in the new chapter but this year questions about the so-called Maidan revolution and the “war with Russia” will be included in Ukraine school exams. The risk of failing the exam is likely to make many students reject the idea of not accepting the official Kiev point of view of. The fact that history textbooks in the Ukraine will include a chapter On ” The Russian-Ukrainian War”, was announced in mid-March. Some observers believe that the previous time the Ukrainian authorities created an alternative history of their country was on 25 February, when the Ukraine head of state Petro Poroshenko announced that Prince Vladimir had been the creator of ” European Russia-Ukraine “. On 20 January it was stated that the Ukraine Ministry of Education and Science wanted to rewrite school textbooks in the country and so the post-war period was declared to be that of the “Soviet Occupation ” and of the “Second Great Patriotic War”, whilst the pro-fascist nationalist organization of the OUN-UPA became a fighter against Nazism.

      (quick précis)


      • marknesop says:

        Oh, good – that will allow time for the North American and British school textbooks to be amended as well, before September and the new school year.

      • marknesop says:

        The “Struggle for Democracy and Independence” which – had it succeeded – would have seen them transition from an independent nation to a dependent of the European Union whose national policies were dictated by Brussels. It would make a cat laugh.

      • Tim Owen says:

        Makes me nostalgic for Soviet propaganda.

        Who was it who described Soviet literature as typically “a love triangle between a young peasant man, a girl with thick calves and a tractor.” Isherwood?

        Putin’s been hard at work on v 2.0. Remember this:

    • james says:

      are they getting new school text books from texas as well? lol…

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Another report on that book:

        It quotes (00:41) what is said about the Odessa murders at the Trade Union House:those who died in the building had set themselves on fire.

        In Odessa at the beginning of May 2014, pro-Russians armed with automatic weapons and pistols attacked a peaceful pro-Ukraine meeting, having already shot at some of its participants, and then hid themselves away from the enraged demonstrators in the city Trade Union House. From the entrances they busied themselves with Molotov cocktails and the building caught fire from within. More than 40 people perished as a consequence of the firing upon pro-Ukraine peaceful demonstrators and the conflagration that broke out in the Trade Union House“.

        • james says:

          nothing like getting 100% propaganda in a school book for kids or adults… brainwashing starts early!

        • marknesop says:

          Did they bring the Molotov cocktails with them – but didn’t use any until they chose the Trade Unions Building as a hideout – or had they staged them there previously? Why didn’t anyone notice? Were those young warhag Ukies we all saw making Molotov cocktails making them for the pro-Russians, or did they think that would be a good way to persuade them to peacefully surrender themselves? If this is an example of how modern Ukie history is going to read, they will be the laughingstock of the world.

        • Jen says:

          That’s odd: I thought people usually made Molotov cocktails OUTSIDE buildings and then threw the bombs AT the buildings, not make them INSIDE and then throw them outside because of the, you know … the smell and the fire hazard.

          • marknesop says:

            The idea of a Molotov cocktail is to set something on fire. It is an uncommon weapon to be thrown from inside a building because you cannot set the parking lot on fire, and if you are looking for something to throw at crowds outside a big rock is more effective; a Molotov cocktail that hits a person will not likely explode, but will just fall to the ground.

            I don’t know why I’m rationalizing it, because everybody knows what really happened, and lying about it in order to influence future generations of your purified people is so Third Reich that I can’t believe anyone would take them seriously. There has to be a bullshit line that even Washington will not cross, where the embarrassment of toxic friendships becomes too grotesque.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              Well Irina Farion does not agree with what the new school text says about the Trades Union House immolation: she congratulated the perpetrators of the outrage, tweeting:

              Bravo Odessa, the pearl of the Ukrainian soul. Let them burn like the devil in hell. Bravo“.

        • Drutten says:

          There’s gonna be some mighty cognitive dissonance manifesting itself down the road, as there’s an array of legitimate video material from these events that undeniably tell a completely different story.

          That goes for the rest too, for that matter.

  8. james says:

    apologies if someone already posted this – john helmer on kolomoisky

  9. marknesop says:

    Show of hands – who buys this horseshit, from the duplicitous Moscow Times?–forbes/518658.html

    Story goes, Poroshenko offered the Donbas to Putin, who asked him if he was out of his mind. Backpedaling now has it that Poroshenko was telling Putin to get out of Donbas, not asking him to take it, but because Poroshenko was speaking Ukrainian, Putin misunderstood him.

    I guess that’s for an English audience, preferably one with a collective room-temperature IQ. “Take Donbas” is “Vizʹmitʹ Donbas” in Ukrainian and “Voz’mite Donbas” in Russian. Virtually identical – as we learned, those who did not know already, from this post, Ukrainian and Russian are mutually intelligible. “Get out of Donbas” is the same in both languages. The idea that Poroshenko was expressing a completely different thought, talking directly to Putin in a language he does not speak during international negotiations of this magnitude rather than through an interpreter, is comical. Poroshenko can speak Russian perfectly well and since the talks were not conducted in Ukrainian he would have no reason to propose such a startling concept in Ukrainian.

  10. Moscow Exile says:

    What a shower of shit!

    The Ukraine Anti-Corruption Committee Debating:

  11. Warren says:

    I was always under the impression that Finns and Estonians were bosom buddies, That for intents and purposes Estonia was Finland’s most southern region. The media always mentions that through-out the cold war and Soviet “occupation” of Estonia, Estonians were watching TV and radio broadcasts from Helsinki.


    • Drutten says:

      Finns I know do generally look down on Estonians, but I never thought it was all that serious. Just the kind of subtly condescending attitude you find for example in Norway concerning Swedes or so.

      • Warren says:

        Norwegians look down on Swedes? That’s odd, didn’t Sweden rule over Norway for 3 or so centuries? Didn’t Norway gain its independence in the beginning of the 20th century from Sweden?

        • Drutten says:

          Sweden is Norways “big brother” in a number of ways, and they tend to envy us a bit regarding our size (geographical size, that is), history as a great power, our industrial capacity, innovation potential and what not. But they are also fed up with Swedes working menial jobs en masse in Norway and getting drunk whenever possible (we’re like the “Poles” of Norway in a sense), and they look with horror at how we’re doing politics and so on.

          Again, it’s not like serious resentment or anything, but “dumb Swedes” and references to Swedish white trash is a recurring thing.

          • Jen says:

            Of the two big bones of contention between Norway and Sweden, I thought the bigger one was the war … you know, the one where Germany occupied Norway and Sweden allowed Germany passage through its territory from the Baltic into Norway’s Arctic Region to mine iron ore and other minerals.

            The other big bone of contention is who has the better heavy metal scene and which country’s heavy metal musicians commit more violence and spew more racist hatred.

            • Drutten says:

              I don’t know if they’re that sour over Swedens ambivalence and “lazy” collaboration with Nazi Germany during WW2, seeing that we at the same time provided the Norwegian resistance against the Nazis with training camps, weapons and funding. I think most people today understand that we tried to make the best out of the situation.

              We didn’t officially help our other “brothers”, namely Finland either. But we did send heaps of volunteers, money and material (especially fighter planes) “unofficially” to help them fight the Soviets.

              These and many other similar things wouldn’t have been possible had we resisted the far mightier Nazi German war machine. They would’ve mowed us down in an instant and the Nordic theater of war might have looked very different with subsequent unbridled Nazi German access to Swedens raw and industrial resources.

              Little known is the fact that we were about to declare war on Nazi Germany later on, and liberate Denmark from the north. However, we were beat to it.

              So I guess we were a bit opportunistic, but I don’t think anybody is seriously angered about it considering the good we did do.

              Regarding Norwegian black metal, we had our fair share of that nuttery here as well. And in Finland too. Norway’s notorious for it though. I think it’s the weather.

              • Jen says:

                Eh? That’s interesting … so about what date did Sweden plan to liberate Norway and Denmark?

                I have a collection of black metal albums at home and I estimate most of these are by American, French and French Canadian bands. I have some Finnish and Norwegian albums too including the famous Burzum recordings “Hvis Lyset Tar Oss” and “Filosofem” but I don’t have any Swedish albums. Politically the bands whose recordings I have span the entire spectrum from anarchist to fascist. With the Scandinavian and the French Canadian bands, the winter weather and the natural landscapes of their home countries are a huge influence on the music they play and the lyrics they write and sing.

                • Drutten says:

                  The plans were drawn up from 1943 to 1944 and the action was to commence early 1945. The two military operations that the Swedish general staff had drawn up were called “Save Norway” and “Save Denmark” respectively. Swedish creativity in a nutshell. The idea was to step in and speed up the end of the war essentially, by opening up additional fronts against Germany.

                  Here’s an old Danish webpage about it, from the Danish Society of Military History:
                  The Danes then directly requested Sweden to invade in 1945, but it didn’t come to fruitition.


                  Both Swedish and Finnish black metal was rather impopular with the Norwegians, especially since it became heavily influenced by the lively death metal scene here in the early 1990’s (the Stockholm DM scene to be precise, the more melodical Gothenburg scene was never very “black”). There were many cases of death threats Swedish black/death metal musicians received from their Norwegian “colleagues”, acts of vandalism and yadda yadda. All because they weren’t “true” enough, apparently. All in all the underground music scene was a total freakshow here in Scandinavia around that time, and in Norway they really went the whole way.

                  I’ve had the honor of drinking with a bunch of these figures at various points in time. From the fairly interesting “Fenriz” of Darkthrone to the Finnish nutjob “Satanic Warmaster”… Funny.

                • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

                  Dare I ask how you made such colourful acquaintances?

                • Drutten says:

                  I hung out in these circles for a good while, being a bit of a musician myself with various friends who eventually made it big-ish in the “scene” as it were. Every now and then you’d wind up in a situation where some “celebrities” were around. I met the Darkthrone guys in Strömstad (the home of Dissection) a long time ago.

                  And Mr. Satanic Warmaster and I sat and drank Estonian beer with some German backpackers on a roof in Helsinki, while he read me his latest lyrics and talked about Nazis with an enthusiasm that really freaked the Germans out. I honestly don’t recall how I ended up there, except that I was in Finland to attend an ice hockey game with an Italian date of mine whom I treated with a Baltic booze cruise. Yes, I used to have my real classy moments.

                  I was never a black metal buff myself though, I’m slightly more “conservative” taste-wise.

              • Jen says:

                @ Drutten: Fenriz has become something of an institution in black metal with his encyclopaedic knowledge of black metal and metal generally, his DJing skills, his solo music projects (which include an all-synthesiser space music project called Neptune Towers – I had a couple of CDs), various eccentricities (he refuses to play live) and wry humour. As he once said more or less, he’s always pushing the envelope with his career – he works for the Norwegian Post Office.

                @ Pavlo: colourful?! Black metal people are always black and white! I once joked with a guy I used to buy my CDs from about what colour pencils a black metal colouring-in book would have: black and white of course, no other! (Well maybe red for the blood and green for the eco themes.)

  12. Warren says:

    • Drutten says:

      Ooo, well stylish. I like the minimalistic double-headed eagle at the top of the page. I took a look at the source and turns out it’s an SVG vector file, which means that despite its tiny size on the page it can be enlarged while still retaining quality unlike raster files (your typical JPG, BMP, GIF, PNG etc). So I enlarged it and hey presto, I made this likewise minimalistic wallpaper:

      Sa-weet. That goes onto my laptop now, so there will be no doubt about my Kremlin stoogeness whenever I boot it up in public.

      • Drutten says:

        I don’t get people who play Facebook and play “Farmville” and so on while at work, it’s not entertaining at all (and it’s bad character). This is entertaining (but still bad character):


  13. Pavlo Svolochenko says:

  14. Warren says:

    • marknesop says:

      What you see depicted here shows the pre-confederation borders to which the Anglos always threaten to make Quebec return, in the event of a successful independence referendum. As you can see here, they expanded quite a bit since the heyday of the Hudson’s Bay Company.

      • Warren says:

        I think that threat has worked. The British and then Canadians were very accommodating to the vanquished Francophones.

        Compare how Quebec’c French language and culture has been protected in Canada to how Louisiana’s French language and culture has not been protected in the United States.

  15. yalensis says:

    To continue with the Valentina Lisitsa story, here is her twitter feed, she tweets under the nik “NedoUkrainka”.
    I don’t normally like Twitter, but I really like Valentina’s twitter feed, from a political, if not musical, point of view.

    I think it is important for people to read Valentina’s tweets, this is her main form of political activity, and she is a master at it. Her diaspora enemies misquote her tweets to try to “prove” that she is a racist, anti-Semite, etc. But these lying diasporists assume, as they always do, that people will just take their word for it, and never check the original sources. These grandchildren of Nazi collaborators have been so spoiled by generations of coddling and un-countered lying, that they don’t realize times have changed. Now, given the internet, the entire world can see them (=the diasporists) for the liars and political opportunists that they are.

    For example, they accuse her of using the word “kike” to describe Jews.
    Here is the context:

    Kolomoysky T-shirt reads “Zhido-Banderovets”= “Bandera’s kike”. This is what’s offensive, not my pointing it out.

    Another accusation is that she supported genocide against Ukrainians by “gassing” them, Nazi-style, accompanied with an image of Holocaust corpses from a gas chamber. In reality, Valentina proposed that Ukrainians be de-Nazified, the same way that Americans did to Germans, by shoving their crimes in their faces:

    US army administered De-Nazification shock therapy:”Face Your Crimes”
    It worked

    [accompanied by images of concentration camp]

    She defends herself vigorously against this allegation:

    They cropped photo, removed replies and said I called to send Ukrainians to extermination camps

    As always, one is stunned, how the words “Hitler” and “Nazi”, when applied to others, just trips off the lips of descendants of actual Nazi collaborators. They are always quick to accuse others of what their grandparents did.

    The diasporists are so pathetic, they even charged Valentina with racism against Africans, because in one tweet she humorously compared, side by side, image of Ukrainian politicians wearing embroidered shirts (=tribal gard) with image of African warriors dancing in tribal garb.
    Her point was not to denigrate Africans, but to point out how TRIBALISTIC the Ukrainian politicians have become, under the junta government.

    By calling her a racist, the diasporists are desperate to make Valentina look bad to Western liberal audiences. “Oooohh, if she is a racist, then we don’t care that she was banned from playing in Toronto….” [eases the conscience of the liberals]

    But there is obviously a lot of blow-back: Many people who were previously unaware of the Ukrainian diasporists and their dodgy history, are now taking note, and hopefully even doing some research, learning the truth about who these people are.

    • marknesop says:

      I think it’s going to hurt the TSO, which was already losing money. I’m sorry to say it serves them right.

    • james says:

      thanks for the broader picture on all this a musician living in canada i appreciate the information if by chance anyone ever brings this topic up in my presence – a very remote possibility as i don’t work in classical circles or in toronto.. i do have many musician friends in toronto however who i periodically speak with..

  16. yalensis says:

    In Latin American news:
    7th Summit of the Americas 2015 started in Panama on April 6.

    The summit was supposed to be epochal, with long-planned conciliatory meeting between Barack Obama and Raul Castro. Americans supposedly bending over backwards to bring Latin America back into orbit. Making nice to Cuba, etc.

    So guess what happened? Epic fail.
    Americans just can’t help themselves. On Wednesday they set up a “Forum of Civic Society” at which Cuban and Venezuelan delegations were invited.
    So, the delegations show up to the coffee klatch, and guess who else is there?
    Félix Ismael Rodríguez Mendigutia , the CIA agent who did the Bay of Pigs and also, by the way, TORTURED AND KILLED Che Guevara!
    How tactless was that?

    The Cuban and Venezuelan delegations promptly left the room in a huff. They said they would not be in the same room with this terrorist, plus the American idea of “civil society” was all a fake, anyhow.


    • Oddlots says:

      With a chaser:

      “Additional indignation was the fact that among the participants of the forum as a delegate from the USA attended another American intelligence agent in Cuba – Luis Posada Carriles. Cuban authorities consider Carriles as a terrorist, was involved in the landing at the Bay of Pigs and the assassination attempt on Fidel Castro in 2000.”

      From Wiki (and covered in many other places):

      Posada spent the years until 1985 involved in various terrorist activities in the region; until 1976, he continued to have ties to the CIA. He was convicted in absentia in Panama of involvement in various terrorist attacks and plots in the Americas, including 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed 73 people;[11][12] however, he has always denied involvement.[13] Along with Orlando Bosch, he was also involved in founding the Coordination of United Revolutionary Organizations, described by the FBI as a terrorist outfit.[14] In 1985, he re-established links to the CIA, and moved to Central America, where he became involved with United States support to the Contras, and later admitted to playing a part in the Iran-Contra affair.[15]

      • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

        Back before I gave up reading the MPnet thread for the sake of my blood pressure, I remember some greasy Miami Cuban who dropped in to add his two cents.

        Naturally, he turned up after 17 July, and anyone following the thread in those days will remember that it reached a crescendo of stupidity, to which our Tony Montana loudly contributed. Mpnet being the shit-stained NATO cruising spot that it is, nobody dared to point out that Miami Cubans like himself are drug-running terrorist scum who love blowing up airliners. When he whined that his family had ‘been killed by the Soviets’, all I could think was ‘and I hope their deaths were slow and painful’.

        • yalensis says:

          The Miami Cuban diaspora has long been dominated by the criminal/CIA types, who do the usual “Castro killed my family” whining to play to their masters.
          From what I heard, younger generations of this diaspora are not buying the B.S. any more, nor are they as political, many of them just want to be able to end the embargo and travel freely back and forth between Miami and Havana, to visit relatives.
          The “Bay of Pigs” generation is dying out. This particular diaspora took a sharp hit to the solar plexus back in year 2000, when Elián González was taken away from them and given back to his dad. That diaspora has never been the same, since they lost Elián .


          • cartman says:

            I remember Gloria Estefan marched with airplane bomber Luis Posada Carriles recently.

            • Warren says:

              I preferred Gloria Estefan when she was in Miami Sound Machine!

              • yalensis says:

                Well, some Gusanos are simply irredeemable!

                Here is a Cuban piece from 2010:

                Gloria Estefan que cantó en la Casa Blanca tanto para George W. Bush como para su sucesor Barack Obama, confesó en agosto pásado sus vinculos con la CIA. En una entrevista con el programa televisivo “Al rojo vivo” de la cadena Telemundo, Estefan contó como la CIA se acercó a ella cuando hace años trabajó de funcionaria de aduanas en el aeropuerto de Miami.

                Gloria Estefan, who sang in the White House for George W. Bush, as well as for his successor, Barack Obama, last August admitted her links with the CIA…. (etc.)

                • colliemum says:

                  “Gusanos” – gawd, it’s decades since I’ve heard that word, decades! It reminded me of this song which we listened to at that time, loooong ago:

                  (Sorry, fellow stooges: personally, I blame yalensis for making me find this song!)

                • yalensis says:

                  “Gusanos” (“worms”) was what Castro called the Cuban diaspora.
                  Sounds harsh, but some of them definitely deserve it.
                  Although worms are actually nice creatures, when you think about it.
                  Not like mean-old cockroaches, who are both evil, as well as ugly.

  17. Moscow Exile says:

    A Real “Man of the People”?

    Eton and Oxford educated and also stinking rich British Prime Mister Call-Me-Dave Cameron, who likes to tell the oiks that “We’re all in it together” – meaning that all citizens of the Sceptic Isle have to equally and resolutely face stringent austerity measures, mingled with the hoi-poloi at a barbecue the other day and showed all present how one should really eat a hotdog:

    Bear in mind, when he was brown-nosing O’Bummer a while back, he showed how it was really done. Perhaps they put him on a crash course there on how to eat one of those odious things:

    Such dainty and refined eaters!

    • Jen says:

      Didn’t O’Bomber once say that as a child living in Indonesia, he ate dog meat? Does Call-Me-Dave realise what he could have been served in that hot dog?

      O’Bomber eating a chihuahua salad roll

      Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, you better watch out.

    • colliemum says:

      Gerald Warner used the expression “majestic fatuity” to describe Dave’s latest flounderings in his brilliant post yesterday, where he bursts the balloons of pretentiousness of the Tories with his sharp pen.
      Worth a read, definitely:

      Disclaimer: I’m now an avowed fanboi of Gerald Warner …

    • marknesop says:

      I love barbecued hot dogs. Mind you, you have to get a quality wiener, typically a kosher all-beef variety like Hebrew Nationals (the Red Barn Market mentioned is an easy bike ride from my house). When you come to visit us I will school you in the proper preparation and consumption of this delightful and simple meal. It is not intended to be eaten with a knife and fork, and if Dave believes he is starting a trend he is in for a disappointment. Nothing that comes in a bun is meant to be eaten with a fork. Stephen Harper infuriates me with his groveling knee-bending to America and his me-too attempts to out-American the Americans, but if I were British I would just be so embarrassed by Dave’s shenanigans, he’s like your prat nephew who comes home from college for summer hols with that patronizing smugness that makes you want to get two strong friends to hold his legs while you kick him in the balls until your leg is too tired to do it any more.

      Sorry; I had a bit of a seizure there. I hope I didn’t say anything socially inappropriate.

  18. Warren says:

  19. Moscow Exile says:

    More Ukrainian historical revision, this time by chocolate manufacturer and Washington placeman in the Ukraine, Porky Poroshenko:

    Published on 9 Apr 2015

    President of the Ukraine Petro Poroshenko believes that the Second World War was started by Adolf Hitler with Joseph Stalin for the purpose of dividing Europe.

    The Ukrainian leader made such a statement whilst speaking solemnly at the National historical memorial “Bykivnia Graves”.

    • james says:

      his ignorance is pretty pronounced, or is he hoping to play to a local audience only?

      • Moscow Exile says:

        The Bandera diaspora lapped up what he said, though.

        Or maybe not.

        I wonder how many of the Ukrainian fascist offspring scattered around the world actually speak Ukrainian?

        • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

          They’re probably more likely to speak it than Ukrainian-born Banderites.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            True! I’ve yet to meet a Ukrainian who doesn’t speak Russian, and I’m not just talking about East Ukrainians.

            I started working the other week with a bloke from Gorlovka near Donetsk (and he didn’t say Horlivka (Горлівка) in Yukie either) who is none to pleased with what has been happening around his part of the world.

      • yalensis says:

        My guess is he is just catering to his base.

        On the other hand, it is really difficult to gauge, just how ignorant these Ukrainian politicians are. It’s possible that none of them ever actually read a book.

        For example, the “behind the scenes” accounts of the European Association Agreement fiasco revealed, that Yanukovych was genuinely shocked, when Putin laid it out to him, the exact economic situation of Ukraine. It was like, he was ruling the country, yet he didn’t have a clue how much they traded with Russia, until it was pointed out to him.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          He must have been playing pirates most of the time in his big mock-up galleon summer house/restaurant by the lake in his landscaped garden at his country house and .

        • marknesop says:

          You could say the same of Brzezinski, Bilt, Lucas and several other foreign mouthpieces who loudly proclaimed their vision of how trade rejigging was going to make Ukraine free of the Russian yoke overnight. I would just like to get it on the record that I said it would never work (trade-wise, anyway), and I was right. I’m certainly not always, but I’m bound to say quite a bit more often than many who do it for a living.

          “Anyway, the greatest part by far of Ukrainians who are eager for the EU Association agreement to be signed feel that way because they believe it will result in economic benefits for Ukraine. Will it?

          I’m having a hard time seeing how. According to Euronews, more than 60% of Ukraine’s trade is with “the former Soviet market”, with Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan the most important. Would Europe pick up an extra 60% of Ukraine’s exports to ensure they did not experience a loss, if Russia shut its doors? I would have to say I doubt it. So does The Kyiv Post, in this article for European Dialogue; it suggests Russia has the advantage despite Mykola Azarov’s insistence that Ukraine will sign the EU Association Agreement, and points out that “many of Ukraine’s main exports – particularly in heavy industry such as steel and chemicals – would suffer as a result of the more competitive and higher quality EU goods.” Almost 35% of Ukraine’s GDP comes from the industrial sector, and another 9.3% is agricultural exports, which are heavily subsidized in Europe to protect local markets.”

          September 28th, 2013.

        • et Al says:

          It’s all about the bass:

          I’m having trouble visualzing a Porko version…

  20. Moscow Exile says:

    The Heavenly Hundred’s sacrifice was not in vain!

    Law and Order Now Rules in Banderastan!

    Collecting protection money.

    Some of the clips show an associate of the Banderastan Minister of Defence.

    What lovely people!

    Europe should welcome them most heartily.

  21. marknesop says:

    From OffGuardian: “Newsweek: Kiev secretly admitted “suicide” of Party of Regions officials were murders.”

    “In reply to a legal request by Newsweek for information on investigations into the deaths of seven other former officials, all tied to Viktor Yanukovych’s Party of Regions, the General Prosecutor’s Office responded that all the information about all the deaths was a state secret – a staggering claim to make about a series of apparently unrelated civilian deaths they told the press were suicides.”

    Newsweek seems to have slept through the last year, during which various demonstrated Ukrainian behaviors and incidents made it clear that “staggering claims” are what passes for routine government discourse in Porky’s Abbatoir. And the Obama regime continues – supported by its quislings Canada, the UK and Australia – to play the role of kingmaker in attempting to foist this criminal gang of a government on the whole of Ukraine, while damning Russia for its passive intervention. You want crazy? Hey, we got crazy.

  22. Warren says:

    • marknesop says:

      To approving applause from Washington, no doubt.

    • kirill says:

      What this collection of monkey shit thinks no longer matters. Even being half Ukrainian, with family from western Ukraine, I give a flying fuck about these congenital idiots. I hoping that the 50-60% of Ukraine that is not composed of Bandera lovers and has a regional cluster in the south and east breaks away from this freak show. Banderastan can go and suck Uncle Sam’s rotten cock for sustenance.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Porky has said that Galitsia (Banderistania Minor) is the embodiment of the Ukraine and its fundament.

        High praise indeed from a man called Walzman whose forebears hail from what was the Ottoman province of Wallachia.

  23. Warren says:

    • cartman says:

      • marknesop says:

        Brilliant. The rest of the comments suggest this issue is really gaining momentum, and I cannot see any way it can reflect well on the Ukie activists.

        • cartman says:

          They banned “Nazism” around the same time they decided to legitimize battalions that recruit Nazis in spades.

        • yalensis says:

          The Banderite diaspora in Canada and U.S. overplayed their hand.
          Now reasonable people are starting to learn exactly who these disaporists are, and what they believe in.
          All this time, over the decades, the diasporists have been duplicitously concealing their true beliefs. In the glory of Naziism, the Waffen SS, and Adolph Hitler.
          But now it is all out there, for everyone to see.

          • marknesop says:

            Please, God, give western Ukraine to Poland. The new Polish kameraden will be so happy to have someone to feed them and pay for everything they need so they can devote their time to perfecting the torchlight goose-step, while the Poles will be so happy to have the inheritors of the Galitzien SS who murdered thousands of Poles dancing cheek-to-cheek with them once again. There is absolutely and completely no hope of a united Ukraine ever again. Get it parceled off into separate countries so that Russia can cut off diplomatic and trade relations with the Russia-haters, and then let the west turn it into a giant Wal-Mart for Europe.

        • colliemum says:

          I really hope it does!
          We’re all, presumably, used to the blatant hypocrisy in our various national MSM, but that doesn’t mean we’ve got to accept it meekly, not any longer.
          Thus I hope someone will ask how come this sort of thing is acceptable coming from Ukrainians, while it would have produced outcries across the world had it come from Germans.
          Odd, innit ….

      • james says:

        thanks for sharing this.. i hope a few canucks get to see it…

  24. Warren says:

    More brutality and abuse by Canadian law enforcement, Harper has no shame.

  25. marknesop says:

    I have been meaning to get round to this for a while, for Jen and James and then subsequent winners of the Novorossiyan soldiers. You can choose whichever one you want, except for Strelkov, who will go to the 100,000th commenter. We’re at just under 84,000 now. At present I have the full collection, consisting of:

    1. A single soldier on a plain oval base, no inscription
    2. Anti-tank missile operator, prone, and his spotter. Inscription, “Vzvod Motoroli v Boyu” and “URA (cheer) Nikolaevka 2014”.
    3. Babay, the famous bearded Cossack. Inscription, “Kazak”, and “Slaviyansk”.
    4. Rocket launcher operator, slung rifle. Inscription, “Igor” and “Avdeevka 2014”.
    5. A single soldier on a rectangular base. Inscription, “DNR” and “Dobrovolets”
    6. Igor Strelkov, parade rest, hands behind back. Inscription, “Strelkov” and “DNR 2014”.
    7. Bearded soldier in a T-shirt, holding the Novorossiyan flag, rifle slung. Inscription, “Novorossiya” and “31 Maya 2014”.
    8. Single soldier with rifle and cat looking up at him. Inscription, “Spasibo, shto ya bolsha ne kit” and “Bud te Vezhlivi”.
    9. Sniper in camouflage costume with long rifle and tripod. Inscription, “Chistaya Zemlya” and “DNR 2014”.
    10. My favourite, 2 Berkut riot policemen, one standing and the other kneeling, behind their shields. Inscription, “Me vsye Berkut” and “Kiev 2014”.
    11. Single soldier, rifle slung, with air-defense rocket launcher. Inscription, “Chistoye Myeba” and DNR 2014″.

    Jen gets first pick, then James, because those ones are already overdue. Then future winners can choose except for the 100,000th comment winner, who gets Strelkov.

    • Jen says:

      Goody, I’ll take No 11, thanks!

      • marknesop says:

        Deal. I will send it this weekend.

        • james says:

          thanks mark/yalensis! – i would be happy with any of those, but maybe someone more discriminating can choose for me, lol…

          • marknesop says:

            Let’s let Yalensis choose. He doesn’t get it, so he can at least pick it. Then I will contact you by email to get your mailing address.

            • james says:

              sounds great! thanks.. thanks again yalensis!

              • yalensis says:

                Dear James:
                I think you might like #10 – the Berkut one. Or is that too brutal?
                If you like cats, then maybe #8 ?

                • james says:

                  #10 it is! mark – i am down in victoria playing music next weekend – friday and saturday.. thanks again both of you..

                • marknesop says:

                  Let’s meet up for lunch again; maybe you could come down a little early Saturday or something. Saves me delivery charges. I can show you both then and you can decide.

                • marknesop says:

                  The Berkut one is not brutal. It features one Berkut cop kneeling behind his shield, perhaps the one who fell when they were having Molotov cocktails thrown at them. The other is standing, also behind his shield, with his hand on the shoulder of the kneeling one as if to support him; there is a background of flames. It’s all monochrome, of course, they are dark pot metal with just a few highlights from the casting.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  They’re meant to be painted though. I’ve seen huge armies of Great Patriotic War 1812 lead soldiers on display here, all meticulously hand painted in their various regimental colours: part of the fun of collecting such toy soldiers is painting them, I think. You can buy them painted, of course, but they are then much more expensive than when bought just in their base metal form.

                  That group above showing Buonaparte and chums would set you back 2 200 rubles.

                  And that boxed set above showing Field Marshal Mikhail Kutuzov costs 5 500 rubles

                • colliemum says:

                  Well, these sets just show that the Russians are not just hopelessly anachronistic, but also irredeemably militaristic. They simply cannot be allowed to have a place in the ever so peaceful Western societies!
                  Fancy playing with such figures of ancient soldiers when they could play with such wonderful modern, peaceful and non-militaristic stuff like ‘Grand Theft Auto’ on their computers, or embrace their inner transgender personality and play with Barbie dolls.

                  Yeah, that was ‘sarc’ all right …

        • Jen says:

          Thanks very much, looking forward to the DNR soldier’s arrival!

  26. Moscow Exile says:

    The truth will out!

    Or will it?

    Украина: Пуск ракет Точка-У ВСУ. Август 2014.
    The Ukraine: Ukraine Army Tochka-U missile launch. August 2014.

    Присутствует нецензурная лексика.
    Ещё одно трофейное видео с доказательствами преступлений бандеро – американской хунты.

    Хунта обстреливает мирное население двух соседних государств ДНР и ЛНР. Однако, не так много фактов, когда сами каратели в этом публично, на камеру признаются. Что же, вот, уникальное видео, как бандеровские фашисты запускают тяжелые баллистические ракеты “Точка-У” по городам Донбасса. Сохраняйте и распространяйте это видео.

    (presence of obscene vocabulary)

    Another captured video with evidence of Bandera – American junta crimes.

    Junta bombardment of the civilian population of the two neighbouring states DNR and LR. However, there is not much detail about when the forces sent to to suppress the separatist movement allowed themselves to be openly shown on video. In any case, here is a unique video showing Bandera Nazis launching heavy “Tochka-U” ballistic missiles against Donbass cities.

    Save and share this video.]

  27. Moscow Exile says:

    Project Ukraine

    [Russian language only]

    Published on You Tube 9th April 2015

    “Project Ukraine” – a film by Andrei Medvedev
    Director: Vitaliy Maksimov
    Scenario: Andrei Medvedev, Tatiana Solomatina

    Aired on Rossiya TV 15.01.2015

    This film is about how, where, and in which offices and with whose support in the early nineteenth century was born “Project “Ukraine”. How did the word “Ukraine” originate? Who explained to the Russian people that the “Ukrainians” were a nation? What fatal role in the implementation of this project amongst the Russians did the historian Kostomarov, the philologist Kulish and the historian Hrushevsky play?

    Who were the first Ukrainian nationalists – Mikhnovsky and Dontsov? What role in “Project Ukraine” did Prince Franz-Ferdinand and the geopolitician Paul Rohrbach play? Who wrote Ukrainian history and who created the Ukrainian language?

    Prroject “Ukraine” is alive today: it has simply changed its residence. To whom and for what reason is a Russophobic buffer between Russia and Europe necessary?

    • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

      Dmitri Dontsov could best be described as a cross between Adolf Hitler and Borat Sagdiyev.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Yeah, in 1939 Dmitri Dontsov fled Galitsia when it was annexed by the USSR and ended up in 1941 living in Berlin, the annexation of Galitsia having been a result of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact notwithstanding: namely he fled to a state that was part and parcel of the cause of Galitsia becoming Soviet territory, but no matter – blame it all on the Mongol-Tatars.

        And then Dontsov lived on happily scribbling away in Berlin until the whole shitty Third Reich came literally crashing down around his ears in 1945, whereupon he fled to the good ol’ USA, Home of the Brave and Land of the Free – especially free fascists.

        From the USA he decamped to Montreal in order, no doubt, to be amongst his fascist Galitsian pals who were settling in droves in Canada.

        And there in Montreal his mortal remains lie, and have been shoving up daisies since 1973.

  28. Warren says:

    Published on 9 Apr 2015
    Російський опозиційний політик Ілья Яшин в студії Громадського 09.04.15

  29. yalensis says:

    Interesting philosophical essay by Sergei Khudiev , a Russian Orthodox philosopher and author. His essay is entitled “Communism is not the same as Nazism”. Khudiev easily refutes those pundits who try to equate the two “totalitarian” ideologies.
    Attempts to equate the two ideologies (Communism and Nazism; Stalin and Hitler) have been going on for many generations, most noticeably by those attempting to excuse Nazi collaborators, on the grounds that they were good-hearted people fighting against an equal evil (=Stalinism). Banderites use this argument all the time. As do the proponents of “bourgeois democracy” who insist their way is the only way; and anything deviating from Western “democracy” is of an equal measure of evil, be it to the right, or to the left of the “Golden Mean” on the spectrum of goodness.
    These a-historical type arguments are fairly easy to refute.

    The bottom line, though, is that, as Khudiev points out, the Nazis believe that some races of people are inferior, he links to the concept of the SUBHUMAN, as laid out in Himmler’s brochure from 1942, here is link to the original German brochure, which will prompt one to open a .PDF file on one’s computer, it’s okay to do so:

    «Недочеловек – это биологически, на первый взгляд, полностью идентичное человеку создание природы с руками, ногами, своего рода мозгами, глазами и ртом. Но это совсем иное, ужасное создание. Это лишь подобие человека, с человекоподобными чертами лица, находящееся в духовном отношении гораздо ниже, чем зверь.

    В душе этих людей царит жестокий хаос диких необузданных страстей, неограниченное стремление к разрушению, примитивная зависть, самая неприкрытая подлость. Одним словом, недочеловек. Итак, не все то, что имеет человеческий облик, равно. Горе тому, кто забывает об этом. Помните об этом» (брошюра «Недочеловек», 1942).

    Translating from the German via Russian to English:
    A sub-human – this is a biologically complete being, at first glance, identical to a human, with hands, feet, its own type of brain, eyes, and mouth. But it is not human, it is a horrible creation. It is just a simulation of a human, with humanoid features of the face, and dwelling in a spiritual condition much lower than that of a beast. (etc.)

    And contrasts this to the flowery ideas of Communism, with their “Internationale” and solidarity of all peoples and races, etc. (quote from the Soviet journal “Stalinist” from 1955), their insistence that no one race or tribe of people is superior to any other.

    In short, the attitude to biological race and human beings is one of the major differences between Communist and Nazi ideology. Marxists would also point out the fundamental differences in the economic base of the two types of societies… (duh!)
    The fact that both societies have certain superficial features in common, like censorship of the press, or whatever, is not exactly a big deal (I like my own analogy that dolphins look a lot like fish, but are not fish), especially considering how “bourgeois democracies” do the same stuff too (repression and censorship, etc.), just not as much in your face.

    • yalensis says:

      Hmm… okay here is the link to the Himmler brochure, which is in German, it prompts you to open a PDF from a remote server, it’s okay to do so:

      Click to access SSHauptamt__Der_Untermensch_1942_52_S._Scan.pdf

    • Moscow Exile says:

      The thing is, you were toast the moment you were born – according to Nazi racist “ideology” – if you were of Jewish parentage or anything else “non-Aryan”.

      Marxists on the other hand believe that all societal development is determined by antagonisms between social classes, not imagined “survival-of-the-fittest” genetics.

      Marx was from a kleinbürgerliche Rheinland family; his wife, Jenny von Westfalen, from the Prussian aristocracy; Bronstein was from the bourgeoisie; Ulyanov himself was a heriditary aristocrat and signed himself thus for funds when studying extra-murally for his law degree, having been denied intramural studies because of his brother’s membership of the terrorist-revolutionary “Narodnaya Volya“, for which he was legally tried and executed.

      You don’t have to be a prole in order to become a Commie.

      If, however, your name was, for example, Isaac Finkelstein and you were a German citizen 90 years ago, there was no way you would have got an NSDAP membership card, and some time after 1933 you would have very likely ended up on a one way train ride to Eastern Poland.

    • colliemum says:

      There’s one diagnostic feature though which allows one to discern the difference between these two:
      Fascism goes hand-in-hand with corporate, Big Business. That has always been and still is carefully swept under the carpet when historians/analysts take a look at Nazism and/or fascism.

      • bolasete says:

        yes. taking mussolini as a seminal figure, fascism is the corporate state, and old adolf felt indebted to ol’ ben. in historical terms, the usa is, now, literally and explicitly, a fascist state. problem is people think of fascism at the street level but that kind of eclectic violence in usa wasn’t necessary, the system evolved quite naturally after ww 2
        (if not after jamestown in 1607). usa needs not a night of long knives to corral/eliminate independent groupings after taking power (cf. porko’s incorporation of neo-nazis into ukr army).
        the way i see it is that dimitrov’s dictatorship of finance capital is not only destructive; ultimately it’s suicidal. as the first line of a ’40s american poem put it: ‘i don’t want to startle you but they are going to kill most of us’. the uncertainty is will there be an afterwards.
        i like reading moa and he(b) frequently shifts to mideast (which in my younger years was called the near east. i missed the shift and often wonder if the near east migrated to morrocco or the azores), implying there’s more than russia and ukraine in the world. while i sympathize and ‘technically’ agree, i also disagree: it’s all about usa vs. russia. i await the enlightenment we’ll find when yalensis points us in the right direction. btw, i’ve concluded that ol’ yal is, in fact, the latest incarnation of a very advanced, and charming, ai bot. (sorry, my second ex-wife always claimed that i had a basic character flaw of believing that i have a sense of humor.)

      • Jen says:

        It may be by coincidence or design also but wherever fascism goes, Big Religion (as in state religion organised along similar lines as the Roman Catholic Church: hierarchical, bureaucratic, secretive, hungry for power and wealth – especially wealth in the form of property – in effect the RCC is the model for the corporate state) follows. The Roman Catholic Church co-operated closely with fascist regimes in Spain (1945 – 1975) and in Latin America (1960s – 1980s) to the extent of offering confession and penance to people who carried out torture on dissidents.

        Another major difference between Nazism and Communism relates to what the British philosopher Isaiah Berlin in the 1950s defined as negative freedom (as in free from restraint or limitation on one’s actions: for example, freedom of speech means being free of government or other restraints to say what you want) and positive freedom (when society imposes limits on individuals’ behaviours so as to create an environment in which all people, not just a few, can develop their full potentials and flourish: an example would be governments limiting some forms of expression that intimidate or discriminate against some individuals or groups, especially those people or groups expressing minority opinions). Nazism privileges the actions of a few (the elite) to do as they wish at the expense of everybody else. Communism is in a process of becoming and restricts people’s negative freedoms (which are identified in capitalist societies as the only freedoms worth having) in the pursuit of an ideal in which everyone can fulfill their potential. So while on the surface Nazi-ruled and Communist-ruled societies look similar, how they converged in this respect is very different.

    • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

      Nazism is a species of death-worship. It aims at permanent war, prizes terror and bloodshed for its own sake. Actually worth reading Dontsov to understand it, because the Zaporozhian degenerate’s writings carried National Socialist thinking right to its logical conclusion, spelling out things even Hitler preferred to leave unsaid.

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    • marknesop says:

      Gee….that sounds like another great idea from the same people who said Brussels would never dare plunder uninsured deposits in people’s personal bank accounts – the way they did to recapitalizxe the Cypriot banks in 2013. Mind you, the idea then was that Cyprus would confiscate money Russians were hiding from the taxman to make a better world for everyone. Uh huh.

  33. james says: – another brain dead canuck on the hands of power/money.. john helmer’s article from a few days ago – THE EASTER BUNNY GOES TO KIEV — CANADA ANNOUNCES SECOND UKRAINE LOAN OF $200 MILLION — AUDIT PROVISIONS DROPPED FOR $400 MILLION IN CANADIAN FINANCING FOR UKRAINE’S MILITARY OPERATIONS

    write rob and tell him what you think…

  34. Drutten says:

    The Washington Post: Russia just made a ton of Internet memes illegal

    As expected, the internet mob has gone berserk on Twitter about this awful, awful thing. How dare evil Putin sensessly ban funny images? Russia is truly hell bent on making everybody miserable, it’s its only purpose.

    …But if you actually read the article and read the Russian source material, it’s essentially just a case of people feeling they’ve been slandered on the internet, and as such the media watchdog can press charges on their behalf if they should so request.

    …And this very thing results in thousands of yearly convictions in the UK alone. Yes, in the UK. Here in Scandinavia similar legislation is on its way too, it’s a hot topic right now.

  35. Moscow Exile says:

    Declassified by the Russian MoD:

    The activities of the Ukrainian Nationalist organizations during the Great Patriotic War (PDF, 3,9 MB)

    The Russian Ministry of Defence Press and Information Office together with the Russian Defence Ministry Central Archive has prepared a series of unique historical documents that reveal the activities of Ukrainian nationalist organizations in the lands of Western Ukraine during the Great Patriotic War.

    • yalensis says:

      Good stuff! These archives should be a goldmine for historians.
      I am not an historian, but I plan to read this through carefully, when I have time.
      Just took a quick skim, there’s some interesting stuff in there about Polish activities in Volhynia, as well.

      • marknesop says:

        If you knew enough to put “an” in front of “historian” then you are at least an honorary historian.

        • yalensis says:

          Oiv bin trained bay the very best.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          I bet you’ve stopped at an hotel and ‘ave an ‘orse an’ all cos you’re posh.

          • yalensis says:

            I don’t have an horse, but I have an friend who has an horse!

            • Moscow Exile says:

              My sister had two of the great galumphing things and a colt when last I saw her in Merry England 5 years ago. She has always been a horse freak. I, on the other hand, view the beasts as nothing more than a sometimes useful tool. I don’t dislike them though: in fact, I am rather fond of eating them, which fact having been revealed to my sister resulted in a look of horror from my sibling.

              I also like fermented mare’s milk, kumis, that you can buy here. The Khazaks love it. They eat horses as well.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Looks like they’ve finally decided to ease the lid off the dark secrets of the past which the USSR kept bolted firmly down for the sake of PR towards the West and the rest of the Soviet Republics situated far from that seething borderland with Catholic Europe that had formerly been part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

        • yalensis says:

          I think the main reason Soviets put a lid on these secret archives, is because they didn’t want to offend the “brother” Ukrainians.
          Soviet authorities wanted to keep up the myth of the “brotherly peoples” fighting shoulder-to-shoulder against German invaders. With only a tiny handful of collaborators.
          Well, now the cat is out of the bag.

          I cynically wonder how many Western historians will rush to read these newly-opened archives. Probably not many. Just like the revelation about how a couple of Polish policemen (assumed to be executed by NKVD at Katyn) were actually buried in a grave far from Katyn and clearly the victims of the Nazis. That news went nowhere too, Western historians ignore any facts which get in the way of their narratives.

  36. Moscow Exile says:

    A big day in Odessa today: the celebration of the liberation of that city from the fascists on April 10th,1944. by the Red Army

    Porky the Pig came along today to lay a wreath and to shake hands.

    He arrived late and the folk chanted at him “Fascism Shall Not Pass!”

    The Pig walked on, acting as though their cries were not directed at him.

  37. Tim Owen says:

    Anyone else watching the Munk Debate?

    Bloody hard work so far.

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    Catherine Fitzpatrick just blocked me on Twitter! Unbelievable…..

    • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

      Poland wanted war with the USSR and with Germany. They got both at once – what’s the problem?

      • Warren says:

        Polish foreign and domestic policies in the 30s continue to be conveniently ignored by Western media and historians for obvious reasons.

        1. Poland signed a non-aggression pact with Germany 1934.
        2. Poland protected and represented German interests at the League of Nations, after German left in 1933.
        3. Poland opposed any sanctions on Japan, sanctions the League of Nations had imposed due to Japan’s escalating aggression in Japan.
        4. Poland pursued an aggressive Polonisation campaign against Ukrainians and Belorussians.
        5. Poland occupied and annexed territories of the Czechoslovakia.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        For her part, Fitzpatrick seems to ignore the significance of the German – Polish Non-Aggression Pact of 1934.

        Few know – or want to know – of the existence of that pact, which was dropped after Hitler had started pressurizing Poland for the return of Danzig after he had failed to persuade Poland to allow German armed forces to cross Polish territory in the event of a war between the USSR and Germany – a war which Hitler had made patently clear in his diatribe “Mein Kampf” was part of the goal of his eastern expansion policies.

        As regards Germany’s claims on Danzig, they were no less valid than Poland’s had been 20 years previously on Vilnius, which the Poles took, and nobody said anything about it, albeit that that city had been made capital of the created by the Versailles Treaty Republic of Lithuania.

        Poland’s argument as regards Vilnius was that the majority of its population consisted of Poles and had done so for centuries: the Germans said exactly the same about Danzig, and they were right.

        Likewise, Poland grabbed territories apportioned by the Versailles Treaty to Czechoslovakia after Hitler had been given free rein to annex that republic, created, as Poland had been, at Versailles in 1919.

        These actions of Poland under Pilsudski’s leadership led Churchill to declare that the permanent martyr Poland had acted “with hyena appetite” in its acquisition of territories set by the Treaty of Versailles.

        Whither the sacrosanct nature of European frontiers that one hears so much bombast about as regards the reunification of the Crimea with Russia? Such action that Russia took last year as regards the Crimea was so 19th century according to Kerry: well Poland was ignoring the sanctity of state frontiers in the first quarter of the 20th century, something that professional Polish arse-licker Apfelbaum seems to ignore.

        About the post-Munich “Polish Guarantee” made by the UK and France to defend Poland against further German aggression, after the end of WWII hostilities Churchill dictated (the Nobel laureate in literature seldom wrote his voluminous works: he dictated them after hired researchers had garnered information on the subject in question) the following in chapter 19 of the “The Gathering Storm” (part of his WWII memoirs), entitled: “Prague, Albania and the Polish Guarantee – April 1939”:

        And now, when every one of these aids and advantages has been squandered and thrown away, Great Britain advances, leading France by the hand, to guarantee the integrity of Poland – of that very Poland which with hyena appetite had only six months before joined in the pillage and destruction of the Czechoslovak State. There was sense in fighting for Czechoslovakia in 1938 when the German Army could scarcely put half a dozen trained divisions on the Western Front, when the French with nearly sixty or seventy divisions could most certainly have rolled forward across the Rhine or into the Ruhr.

        [My stress.]

        See: The Polish Guarantee – Churchill Speaks

        My grandfather was born in Kiev, Ukraine, on July 26th, 1918. Finished 8 classes of school, then a precision machinery worker vocational school, at 1937, he, as the best in his class and one of the best on his factory (Arsenal Factory in Kiev), was recommended to serve in Soviet Army in Artillery. 45mm AT gun, then very new, was the gun that he was assigned to, first as a gun layer. Then he was promoted for achieving excellence in training, to a gun crew commander, and given rank of Sergant. My grandfather met June 22 1941 (The darkest day) in Western Ukraine. He, prior to that, participated in reclaiming historically Russian and Ukrainian lands from the jackal of Europe known as Poland. (check out the stuff Poland did in 20s and 30s, up to and including invading Czech lands after Czechs were betrayed by West: Britain and France. To say nothing that Polish starved to death thousands of Russian/Soviet POW during 20s war. In fact, it is a known fact that Poles tortured and slowly executed Soviet POWs during 20s. Example of this was in a memoirs of Polish officer who described that he and his hussars cut open a red army soldiers stomach, put a live cat in and sewed it back, to see “who dies first”.

        Poles were UNIVERSALLY hated by the Byelorussians and Western Ukrainians whose lands they occupied using a weakness of Russia during and after Civil War. Poles called these people “Bydlo” and treated them like dogs. Soviet Army ended up having to protect captured poles from Byelorussian and Ukrainian civilians. To be fair, it must be noted that Western Ukrainians promptly turned on their Soviet liberators, becoming butchers so vile, that even Waffen SS called them subhuman brutal animals. Western Ukrainian Zondercommando, including batallion Nachtigal killed tens of thousands of Soviet Civilians and POW, of EVERY race and nationality, while FAILING to achieve any merit for action against RED ARMY or Partizan resistance. Now, the media and re-writers of history will make you believe that only Jews were the poor prosecuted people. It is a damn lie. Nazies considered slavic people sub human. (Read Plan OST).1 out of ever 5 Poles were killed by Nazies. Out of 23mln people that USSR lost in world war 2, over 16mln were civilians (NOT COUNTING POWs). 35% of Soviet POW survived Nazi concentration camps. 80% of Nazi POW survived sSoviet GULAGs.
        This is ANOTHER number that you will NOT find out unless you dig German and Russian archives.

        Grandfather did not meet germans during that short campaign, his unit did, however, fought Poles and his cannon crew destroyed a polish tank. He started World War 2 in the city of L’vov, Western Ukraine. Up until his death in Sept 28, 2003 (he died on my B-day), he refused to buy any german or austria made goods. “I still didn’t forgive those svolocham (Russian word meaning “the most base, treaturous animal”) for 1941.”

        See: Privet iz SShA

        • Moscow Exile says:

          By the way, for those who are unaware of this, Privet iz SShA (above) is the transliteration into the Latin alphabet of Привет из США, which in its turn means “Hi from the USA”.

          So the correspondent quoted above is probably a US citizen and grandson of a Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic born former Red Army Great Patriotic War combatant.

          • colliemum says:

            Privet is a particularly boring shrub, used excessively as hedging the front gardens in English suburban housing estates. My stepdaughter when young delighted in letting herself fall backwards into those hedges, that’s all they were good for …

            • Moscow Exile says:

              Dear colliemum,

              The Russian word привет (privet) is pronounced /pri:vjet/, namely “pree-vyet”, with the stress on “vyet”.

              Вам большой привет из Москвы!


              • colliemum says:

                It was simply too tempting to mess around a bit with the Latin letters for the Russian word …. shallow of me, I know …

        • marknesop says:

          Well said – I quoted some of this on Russia Insider, in a comment to the Wagenknecht story, responding to another apologist who wants to project the view that ill-used damsel Poland merely stood by with her eyes downcast and her hands filled with posies while she was slapped about by the stinky Russian bear.

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  43. Drutten says:

    Been reading a lot on the forum lately, that some of you have quoted from in the past.

    I’ve noticed that people jumble up the timeline of the crisis in Ukraine a lot, for instance just how things happened on Maidan, what actually occured in Donbass a year ago, and how the Crimea thing really went down. This jumbling up I can only conclude is done on purpose to make it seem like everything was fine and dandy until Russia did something to screw it all up. I.e. an attempt to solidify a narrative most convenient to the West and Kiev itself.

    Now, the big Russian Crimea documentary did attempt to iron out the actual chronology of things in Crimea, but it came straight from Russia (which understandably elicits lots of skepticism) and the video format isn’t the best when it comes to laying things out like that and inviting an independent assessment. In my opinion a more thorough timeline needs to be written down somewhere easily accessible, in English, with full sourcing from all sides (e.g. Ukrainian and western newspieces about events from that time too) to make it as all-encompassing and objective as humanly possible.

    I know that some of you folks are in contact with for instance the RI editors, I think that could be a starting point. I am fully willing to contribute to such an endeavour too, to the best of my abilities. If something like this is not done and put out in the open, I’m afraid that the ongoing revisionism will truly take hold and eventually wind up irreversible, seeing that it will soon become a monumental task to dissect it and nobody will bother. Having a neutrally-worded and well-sourced “repository” where the various timelines are laid out in detail could prove invaluable for the general debate.

    Just this morning, I read in the aforementioned forum and the user “Osobist” countered a claim about Mr. Strelkov being the one and only instigator of everything in Donbass. Soon thereafter, the thread was cleaned up by one of the moderators and this post disappeared, luckily I could go back as my browser still had it cached, and I quickly copied it down. This post was sourced in the manner I speak of above, and is impossible to argue with. It went as follows:

    6/04/14 Bolotov and his “Union of veterans of VDV” takes over SBU in Lugansk – help themselves to armory.

    6/04/14 Crowd takes over Administration building in Donetsk, parts of Police and Berkut join them:

    7/04/14 Take over of SBU in Donetsk, armory looted…ki-510882.html

    12/04/14 Crowd takes over MVD and SBU in Slavyansk, help themselves to armory…e-rebyata.html

    12/04/14 MVD in Kramatorsk, Krasnyi Liman, Donetsk taken over

    12/04/14 Attempts on MVD buildings in Gorlovka and Krasnoarmeisk…_5990457.shtml

    13/04/14 Strelkov and his merry men arrive, 14/04/14 1-st more or less documented confirmation about him…aratistov.html

    Even at this stage Rebels are not separarist, but yet Federalists. I don’t even want to go back to pre-violent mass protests.

    Unfortunately some of the links became unworkable in the process, but I’m sure it’s not impossible to find the full URLs with some detective work. At any rate, this is but one tiny part of a vast and hugely important timeline and as the user “Osobist” points out at the end, all of these initial takeovers were preceded by mass protests all over Donbass. And it all happened before any Strelkov arrived at the scene, and well prior to any signs, imagined or otherwise, of actual Russian involvement.

    Also of interest are the similar government building takeovers and looting of armories in Western Ukraine by far-right activists (Svoboda, Sich, Right Sector etc) that occured during the Maidan heydays, as are the numerous newspieces that I vividly recall from that time about possible separatist movements there (this was while Yanukovych was still in power).

    I’m putting up this “request” of sorts here because it’s starting to really bug me, some things really do need some serious ironing out now. It’s only been a year, yet the revisionism is already in full swing. Also I should stress that sooner or later, relevant newspieces in western and Ukrainian media will disappear or end up in obscure archives that are nearly unsearchable and well hidden from any curious people trying to look into things, and only Russian or pro-Russian ditto will be available, easily dismissed as “propaganda”.

    • yalensis says:

      Dear Drutten:
      Another important thing to nail down is the “parliamentary” debate. Namely, what exactly happened in Ukrainian Rada at each stage of the process, exactly how many votes were recorded, etc. Both before and after Yanukovych fleeing for his life. Before and after the banning of the Party of Regions.

      The obfuscators are trying to rewrite this history too, in order to “prove” that the putsch was completely legitimate. The good Doc is a master of such obfuscation.

    • colliemum says:

      I second your request – it is important because revisionists are a multitude and bury truth under their collective merde, or in the old saying: the lie is round the world before truth has pulled on her boots …

    • james says:

      druttan – i admire what you want to do and acknowledge the need for this.. however there is a strong vested interest in not allowing a more accurate and honest time line to come out on these events as it would interfere with an ongoing agenda of painting russia and eastern ukraine a particular way.. listening to the munk debate last night was very depressing… seeing the audience and internet response to the debate was probably even more depressing as i still can’t believe how easily people are fooled into believing what they do.. regardless, an attempt at a proper presentation of the facts that are hopefully still available would help counter the propaganda that is running 24/7.. good luck..

      • marknesop says:

        The Munk Debate was a popularity contest. People do not care about what is true, they care about what lets them feel good about themselves.

        • Oddlots says:

          Precisely. A narrative that flatters the target audience while the costs are borne by others is incredibly hard to dislodge. Thus the constant reference to “Western values.” Could an average listener cite what those values are and explain how, say, NATO or America’s actions reflect those values? Nope.

          The demonization of America’s perceived enemies is just the flip-side of that same coin.

          I always wondered what on earth could have motivated soldiers in the first world war. It all seemed about nothing. (Naive I know.)

          I wonder no longer.

          Regarding the Munk debate I wish Cohen had suggested that the Con team’s time was reminiscent of Orwell’s “two minutes of hate.” That might have put a point on it.

    • marknesop says:

      I will forward this to Charles Bausman and see if somebody wants to take it on; I’ll copy you as a contact. It’s a good idea – revisionism is always easier if everyone is confused.

  44. Moscow Exile says:

    Why Russia is stronger than the USA and Europe

  45. yalensis says:

    Russia media is reporting that Canada plans to send soldiers to Ukraine, presumably to fight against Russia.
    The news was reported by Canadian channel CTV. Says Canadian soldiers will operate in close alliance with American soldiers, who are already in place.
    Links to related piece , how Canada decided to share with Kiev her satellite images from Radarstat-2 satellite. National Post reported that Canada cannot find the money to support this satellite beyond 2017, yet is willing to give away freeby pics to Ukraine; this is upsetting a certain slice of Canadian public opinion.

    Last year, Ukraine begged Canada to share satellite images. (presumably for war purposes).
    In February 2015, Canadian Defense Minister Jason Kenney, said that he would grant the Ukrainian request.
    Canada also donated to Ukraine a bunch of night-vision goggles.

    • james says:

      when the canadian gov’t isn’t officially taking a side in something it ought not to be involved in, it is making many canucks look like real idiots in some 2 bit country that sucks up to its neighbour to the south and is incapable of much else.. in truth many canucks don’t side with this gov’t but any good will we might have had internationally is being wasted very quickly under the present conservative gov’t of harper.. the canadian media is almost just as bad in giving a lop sided or one sided view of things too…

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