Once He Was the King of Spain – Now He Vacuums the Turf at Skydome

Uncle Volodya says, "There’s fool’s gold—pyrite—and then there’s fool’s gold—gold owned by idiots willing to trade it for worthless dollars.
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Uncle Volodya says, “There’s fool’s gold—pyrite—and then there’s fool’s gold—gold owned by idiots willing to trade it for worthless dollars.
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Anders Aslund proves me wrong, over and over again. Every time I think I’ve seen the stupidest, most pedantic, most off-the-wall leap for mediocrity from the atrophied pecan in his head, he surpasses his previous foamy wild-eyed assessment of reality. Rodeo clown dressed as economist. All of it delivered in that whiny Swedish accent that makes him sound like he needs to be changed, and put straight to bed for a nap. I hasten to add that the Swedish accent is not annoying in all its speakers – pretty much only Aslund and the Swedish Chef from “The Muppets”, to whom he bears an astonishing resemblance. And it doesn’t end with physiognomy; they share a similar grasp of economics and government.

I can’t wait, I’m lowering interest rates, my people say:
“King, how are you such a genius?
There’s a roof overhead and food on our plates!”
It’s laissez-faire, I don’t even care
Let’s make Friday part of the weekend.”

Moxy Fruvous, from “King of Spain”

Hey, remember when Aslund was president of that country; Jeez, what was it called? Anyway, he became president way back in the late 90’s, almost further back than pterodactyls can remember, it’s not surprising that the details are a little fuzzy. I do remember that when he became president, the country was on the ropes: the inflation rate was around 27% (now it’s 11.4%), the unemployment rate was 12% (now it’s 5.2%), and per-capita GDP was about $3,500.00 USD (now it’s $7,000.00 USD). Adjusted for PPP, it’s about $25,000.00 per year, the highest it’s ever been. Personal income tax rate was a flat rate of 13%, and it still is. In how many other countries has the electorate seen its tax rates remain the same for 14 years? Not the UK, that’s for sure – they started the same period at 40%, went up to 50% from 2010 to 2012, and after that 45% looked like a tax break – neat, huh? The USA’s tax rate has remained stable, which is a remarkable achievement…but it’s at 35%, more than double what president Aslund was able to offer his electorate.

Of course Anders Aslund was never president of anywhere. That was Russia, and Putin was – and is – president. I introduced that short and harmless deception merely to showcase what a self-important, pompous toad Aslund is, when he says “In short, Putin – who is no economic expert – makes all major economic policy decisions in Russia, delivering orders to top managers of state-owned enterprises and individual ministers in ad hoc, one-on-one meetings. As a result, Russian economic policymaking is fragmented and dysfunctional.” Aslund wants you to know that he is an economic expert, and that Russia would be in so much better shape if only Putin would obey Aslund’s advice and step down, turning the presidency over to a brilliant fellow economist like, say….oh, I don’t know…Alexey Kudrin.

Aslund is at his entertaining best in his latest blowhard epic, “Putin in Denial“. World oil prices have halved since June, he says (he knows juicy insider stuff that you and I don’t because he’s an economist), and the value of the ruble has plunged along with the oil price (ditto). And, he warns, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

Which he would know, of course, being an economist and consequently such a reliable engine of prediction. Like when he said back in 2009 that Gazprom – and whenever he speaks about Gazprom he has to switch over to his reserve vitriol tank, since he really, really hates Gazprom, probably because they will not “open up” to western investment and share ownership – was failing, citing the excellent book co-written by co-numpties Boris Nemtsov and Vladimir Milov. The following year, Gazprom overtook Exxon-Mobil as the world’s most profitable company. His masterwork, “Think Again: Russia” contained more stream-of-consciousness bullshit than you could carry home in an eighteen-wheeler; I think Foreign Policy Magazine became ashamed of the flash flood of drivel in it and deleted it. If you have a hard-copy subscription, you can probably still read it and marvel at the mental grounding of anyone who could argue that political stability is undesirable because it is poorly suited for reform; I quoted from it here, but the electronic link is now dead. He described the voucher scheme introduced under Yeltsin – which resulted in Mikhail Khodorkovsky making the leap from ambitious geek to oligarchical geek virtually overnight – as an acceptable way to create an owner class, and the oligarchs as “engines of capitalist development”. Describing that view as wrongheaded would be an understatement on the order of describing Bill Gates as financially secure. Better wrap the belt from your bathrobe around your jaw before you read “An Assessment of Putin’s Economic Policy“, to stop it from dropping to the floor: penned by Aslund in 2008, it describes Putin as “one of the lucky ones who happened to be in the right place at the right time, as Talleyrand said about Lafayette, but accomplished little that was positive”, and blithely informs the reader that “Lucky” Putin took over the helm in Russia after Boris Yeltsin had already successfully set it on the road to a market democracy. It is for howlers like this that some long-ago Suffolk writer coined the word “flabbergasted”.

Here, from the subject article, are a few glittering examples of Aslund reasoning; (1) cutting Russia’s imports in half is going to worsen Russians’ living standards considerably (now that they presumably cannot afford to vacation in New York or buy milk packaged by Pepsi); (2) Russia, which has greatly increased its holdings in gold by dumping its useless dollars to buy it, suffers from “ever-worsening corruption and a severe liquidity freeze”; (3) Because he is unprepared to act, Putin continues to pretend there is no crisis at all; (4) Putin could withdraw his troops from eastern Ukraine, whereupon the benevolent USA and Europe would lift their crippling economic sanctions, but he won’t do that because he can’t stand losing, and (5) Putin’s failure to use the internet prevents him from grasping the magnitude of the crisis because he does not have access to up-to-date statistics. I have to stop now, because I can’t focus on the screen while I’m shaking my head.

“Likewise, short of initiating a major war, Putin has few options for driving up oil prices. Moreover, even before the oil-price collapse, crony capitalism had brought growth to a halt – and any serious effort to change the system would destabilize his power base.”

Really? I can think of a way, although I won’t pretend I thought it up myself, because it’s already happened – shut off Europe’s gas. Did you forget that one, Anders? All based on a very strange piece in the Daily Mail in which they appear to have copied and pasted part of it, since it reports that Mr. Putin is the Prime Minister – which he was, for a time – but it is dated today and several other details suggest they meant it to be now. No major war. Have energy prices risen? You tell me.

Whether six European countries are without gas tonight and blubbering in terror as they try to marshal their reserves, or it is all a big hoax, some of that famous British humour, it is apparent that the suggestion it could really happen is enough to make energy prices jump, so don’t fool yourself.

“Though accurate and timely statistics on Russia’s economy – needed to guide effective measures to counter the crisis – are readily available to the public online, Putin claims not to use the Internet.”

I can’t think of a more reliable way to inspire commentary by western leaders that Putin had “lost touch with reality” than to learn he was trying to run the country using the Internet as a guide. Because every leader knows the Internet is more reliable than your closest advisers who are, theoretically, experts in their fields. That might be true if you were George W. Bush, surrounded by a sycophantic circle of people who took turns blowing sunshine up your ass because it made you so happy when things were going well regardless how they were really going, but there is no evidence at all that Putin is that kind of leader and ample evidence which suggests he is not. And the United States seems to still be slogging along, despite the description of the Internet by one of its elected representatives as “a series of tubes“.

“His actions suggest that he considers economic data to be far less important than security information – perhaps the natural attitude of a kleptocrat.”

It becomes steadily more evident that Aslund simply loathes Putin so deeply that his desire to rant and call him names seizes complete control of his brain so that he can’t think – his entire mental hard drive is focused on talking smack like a six-year-old. There is absolutely no evidence at all that Putin is so preoccupied with security that he is oblivious to the economic situation. If he were, the deliberate effort to cause a panicky run on the ruble that would collapse it entirely might have succeeded. It is Aslund who is totally oblivious to the fact that Russia’s economic woes are caused largely by a bitter economic war of which it is the sole target and against whom are arrayed the entire forces of the NATO powers, with varying degrees of enthusiasm. Aslund is acting as if the price of oil is the only consideration, and that Putin is mismanaging it terribly.

“If Putin wants to save Russia’s economy from disaster, he must shift his priorities. For starters, he must shelve some of the large, long-term infrastructure projects that he has promoted energetically in the last two years. Though the decision in December to abandon the South Stream gas pipeline is a step in the right direction, it is far from adequate.”

There you have it: Putin’s decision to shut down South Stream was a wise one, but not near enough. He must stop all the big projects that he only uses to steal from the Russian people anyway. What do the European Union’s mandarins think of the decision to shut down South Stream? I think it’s safe to say their take on it is all the way across town from Aslund’s.

I’m not sure how much more evidence anyone would need to conclude that Aslund was born an idiot, strove all his life to be an even bigger idiot – largely succeeding – and  will likely be carried in his pine box by six of his most thickwitted contemporaries in a celebration of idiocy that will see the grief-stricken pallbearers pass under an arch of giant crossed dunce-caps, to be laid to final rest under a stone which proclaims, “In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made economists.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2,333 Responses to Once He Was the King of Spain – Now He Vacuums the Turf at Skydome

  1. yalensis says:

    Our gossip columnists dish it out, about Natalie Portman’s secret visit to Moscow !
    Natalie arrived in Moscow accompanied by her husband, the aptly-named French choreographer Benjamin Millepied.
    The couple, along with Sergei Filin (Director of Bolshoi Ballet) visited major theatrical landmarks of Moscow. Filin also invited them to visit a closed rehearsal of his new ballet “Hamlet”.
    Next, the glamorous couple returned to their hotel room at the fancy Ritz-Carlton.
    They emerged a bit later, dressed in fancy evening wear, for a gala event at the restaurant Metropol. The gala dinner was to honor the work of the Jewish Museum and Tolerance Fund.

    Natalie parents are Russian Jews from Kishinev. On her mother’s side, Natalie is descended from Russian and Austrian Jews; on her father’s side, Romanian and Polish Jews. Natalie’s real name is Herzschlag. She took her screen name “Portman” from her maternal grandmother’s maiden name.

    Later she married Darth Vader, but that’s a whole nother story.

    • et Al says:

      It took me a long time for me to get over her not marrying me. Not as long as the rejections from Sophie Marceau, Monica Bellucia & Salma Hayek, but pretty long. I am resigned to being single, stroking a white long haired cat with a diamond necklace and planning to dominate the world. Someone has to.

      • colliemum says:

        Yeah – someone has to, but white longhaired cats are sooo 20th Century: boring!
        Why not get one of those: http://files.dogster.com/pix/cats/83/56983/1.jpg
        It’s a Russian Blue cat – quite appropriate, no?
        😉

        • et Al says:

          I misread that as Prussian Blue* and got quite worried.**

          Aren’t they mental is that just Siamese or Bengal (OMG!) breeds? ***

          Btw, I’ve downloaded a cat sounds app for my tablet to annoy my girlfriend’s cat. It has absolutely no effect at all.

          * http://www.bt.cdc.gov/radiation/prussianblue.asp

          ** I should stop drinking.

          *** It turns out that I was wrong about them being mental:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Blue

          • colliemum says:

            Don’t worry about the mis-read! I do that all the time, it’s a source of childish pleasure to me when I discover my error.
            Cats are far too superior to be worried by a mere app!
            Dogs however … my present resident collie still comes to investigate whenever I play a video where something squeals: puppies, babies, or something which sounds like that. Must be her maternal instinct.
            That previous one, the one in my av, learned much faster. The first Christmas he was with us, two years old, one of the ‘traditional’ TV programmes showed Doctor Zhivago. There’s one scene where wolves are heard to howl: dog gets up from under the table, stalks into the hall, comes back, looking very worried, not barking, then stalks to the TV set, sniffs behind the set, looks at it – and since he cannot find or sense wolves, he goes back to sleep.
            That only worked this one time, never again, and when his companion arrived, two years later, and Dr Zhivago was on again, we waited for her reaction. Clever girlie that she was, she took her cue from the Big Dog, and didn’t bother getting up.

            Sorry about the excursion into personal reminiscences – put it down to lost sleep and old age …

            😉

      • yalensis says:

        Yes, it is a tough life you have chosen for yourself, Al.

        But would it provide you any consolation if we could put some money together, and buy you a shark with frickin laser beams?

        • et al says:

          Con-sol-ation? Nope. Anything that helps me in my quest for world domination would be gladly accepted! I’m having the plumbers over on Tuesday to install the piranha pool for my foes…

      • marknesop says:

        Your self-restraint and personal sacrifice are inspiring – Sir, I salute you. And to think that you could carry on here, laughing while your heart was breaking! Thank God for the people who care too much, is all I can say.

  2. Tim Owen says:

    Vaclav Klaus’s latest:

    http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=A-Right-Wing-Former-Czech-by-Vaclav-Klaus-Conflict_Congress_Crisis_Debate-150127-565.html

    On a quick read I’d say that’s a masterful mix of honesty and realism. He also skates over very real grievances that come with the civil war in the pursuit of making constructive comments. I think he’s spot on.

  3. yalensis says:

    Western analysts upset about Syriza’s victory in Greek elections.

  4. kirill says:

    For the broken record troll.

  5. kirill says:

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236054-Ukraine-discussion-thread-Veer-off-topic-at-own-risk/page8206

    The dog shit moderator has closed the Ukraine thread. Poor, poor baby NATzO loser. Look at the suspensions handed out to all the reasonable posters like jageraus.

    NATO yaps to the world about is respect for freedom of thought and expression, but is a totalitarian toilet where you have less slack to go off the page of conformity than the USSR during the 1970s.

    • Warren says:

      MP, just like Free Republic simply does not tolerate dissent and opposing views. For all their bluster, arrogance and bravado. The NATO posters and moderators on MP are cowards that can’t handle opinions different from their own.

  6. james@wpc says:

    Yalensis,
    An Ad Hominem attack consists of words spoken or written. It is not made or unmade by any unexpressed thoughts, context or intentions in the mind of the attacker.

    “Normally, calling somebody a Nazi WOULD BE an ad hominem attack (agreed so far), perhaps even subject to Godwin’s Law, but in ThatJ’s case, it is simply a statement of his actual ideological leanings. (in your opinion).

    Unless you can show that ThatJ is a member of a recognised Nazi Party or that he has described himself as a Nazi, calling him a Nazi is an ad hominem attack. It is an attack against the man and not against his argument. This is the simple fact.

    • spartacus says:

      I think that if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s not an “ad duckinem” attack to call it a duck, even if it doesn’t have the word “duck” written all over it. If ThatJ is part of a Nazi Party or if he is describing himself as a Nazi, in my view, it’s irrelevant. In my opinion, men are defined by their actions and if you choose to call yourself “A” but you keep acting like “B”, then don’t be surprised when people start calling you “B”. For example, if I were to call myself social-democrat but my actions were to show that I supported abolishing private property over the means of production, overthrow of capitalist governments and so on, I should not be surprised when people start calling me Communist, even though I’m still claiming to be a social democrat.

      PS. I was going to stay out of this, because I thought that this dispute was between ThatJ and yalensis, but since other people started to jump in, I decided to say something about it too.

      Some suggested that ThatJ should be “filtered out”. I disagree. He gives insight into a set of views that many thought that they were forgotten or, at least, relocated out of the mainstream to the fringe elements of society. This is not true and it only shows that, given the right historical and social environment, the horrible events of WWII can be recreated. So, in a way, he serves as a warning…

      • yalensis says:

        “ad duckinem” – oh THANK YOU for that Spartacus.
        That really made me laugh, and I needed a good laugh, after the rigours of the ideological polemics!

        🙂

        And speaking of ducks, everybody needs to watch this video of adorable kitten put in a box of adorable little duckies.
        Don’t worry – no animal gets hurt in the making of the vid, although kitten does seem at one point almost on the verge of bitting somebody’s head off….
        The shtick is that the ducklets think the kittie is their mother, and start mobbing her, and kittie simply doesn’t know how to respond to this attack of needful love…

        http://www.rosbalt.ru/video/2015/01/29/1362341.html

        • colliemum says:

          LOL – that kitteh is obviously terrified by those ducklings.
          It has been scarred psychologically for life!
          I blame the ‘ooman who kept it in there …

          😉

      • yalensis says:

        P.S. – Spartacus:
        I agree with you that ThatJ should NOT be “filtered out” or banned, and I never spoke in favour of banning him, or anybody else. In any case, this is not my blog, so it would be presumptuous of me to recommend that. And in any case, I think it is better to confront his views intellectually, in an open space.

        Also, I think you are right that ThatJ serves as a warning, and also as an antidote.
        Civilization is a very thin veneer, indeed…

        • spartacus says:

          “Civilization is a very thin veneer, indeed…”

          Many people seem to think that civilization has become, somehow, locked into the genome of human beings and that a slide backwards is unlikely. I think something like, I don’t know, 6 months without electricity, should prove that theory wrong.

    • yalensis says:

      Dear James:
      I am afraid I must disagree with you on this matter.
      The bar that you set for labelling somebody as a Nazi is just too high, IMHO.
      They have to be a card-carrying member of an officially-recognized Nazi party, and wear a badge saying “I am a Nazi” ??

      You are also forgetting the fact, that a normal person takes offense and considers it “name-calling” if you call them a Nazi, whereas an actual Nazi does not consider it to be a bad thing.

      While ThatJ has claimed that he is not a member of any political party, and that may be true, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.
      By analogy:
      Nor am I a member of any political party, and yet it would be completely accurate for you or anyone else to label me as a “socialist”, and I wouldn’t object to that.
      While recognizing, sadly, that to the majority of people in our society, that would be considered an insult. Try calling Hillary Clinton a “socialist” or “Marxist”, and just watch how she would explode with rage.

      If people were to label me a “communist”, on the other hand, I wouldn’t so much object to that, as feel the need to explain in detail the various distinctions between, say, communists with a small “c” or capital “C”, and Stalinists vs. Trotskyists vs. Maoists, vs. communistic anarchists, other types of Marxists, etc.
      One has to do this, and clarify matters, when discussing various ideologies.
      Perhaps it is the same with neo-nazis, I am not sure if they have various ideological factions within their movement, or if they are more ideologically united than the other side.

      In any case, with ThatJ, when I came to the conclusion, and labelled him a Nazi, in the course of our political debate, he never actually said, “No, I’m not a Nazi,” or “Well, let me explain the distinctions to you….”

      In conclusion:
      In the course of my debate with him, ThatJ has expressed, that he is an ideological follower of William Pierce .
      He has stated that he does not believe in racial integration (in the context of the United States, i.e., he is a believer in racial segregation. He has also stated in a comment, that he believes African-Americans should all be deported back to Africa.

      He has stated that he is a Holocaust denier, and that Jews are plotting to destroy the white race.

      I simply don’t know how else to label these views other than “Nazi” or “neo-Nazi”.

      • james@wpc says:

        Yalensis, and Spartacus, too
        You are both not acknowledging my simple point that labelling someone is an ad hominem attack. Do you claim that in calling ThatJ a ‘Nazi” that you are not trying to denigrate him?
        You can have all the reasons in the world to hold to your opinion but regardless of whether you are right or not in that opinion, you are still attacking the man and not his arguments.
        Yalensis, you have claimed that you want to argue against him vigorously and I am not in any way objecting to that.
        “Since I am firmly opposed to ThatJ’s opinions, I feel the need to debate them vigorously.”
        I encourage you to use all the arguments that I presume you have at your disposal to refute ThatJ’s opinions i.e. what he actually says. But attacking the man does not make for a valid argument. By definition, it is a logical fallacy and you undo your own argument by using this tactic, imho. Typically, ad hominems are used when the speaker has no other argument and that is what I, for one, usually assume when I see them and I’m sure I’m not alone in this on this forum with its high level of expertise and intellectual capacity.

        This is a rare discussion forum on the net and my only reason for speaking up about this is to try and point out how best to keep it that way because I like reading the comments here as well as Mark’s writing.

        • yalensis says:

          Dear James:
          I do understand your point.
          And by the way, I have checked out your own blog, read several of your posts, and I think it is pretty good.

          But I still must respectfully disagree with you that “labelling” somebody’s ideological affiliation is, in and of itself, an ad hominem attack.
          If I were to label Barack Obama as a “liberal Democrat”, would that be considered ad hominem? Or do you expect me to type up 100 pages describing exactly what is a liberal democrat? It is easier to start with “Obama is mainly a liberal democrat, but with the following twists….” etc etc.

          Political labels are convenient shortcuts. For example, calling somebody a “neo-con”, or a “Banderite”. This is the same as a botanist categorizing various genera and species of plants. If I say, “That thing is a thistle”, then it saves a lot of time, not having to rewrite the entire encyclopedia on what exactly is a thistle.

          For example, in one of your own blogposts, you typed the following words:

          The NAF are fighting to completely eliminate the Ukrainian military and the fascist volunteer forces as viable forces that can be used by the junta against all the people of Ukraine.

          The italicized words “fascist” and “junta” are political labels.
          In other words, you labelled the Ukrainian militias as “fascist”, and you labelled the Ukrainian government as a “junta”. According to your own definition, that might be considered an “ad hominem” (or in Spart’s brilliant expression “ad duckinem”) attack!

          • james@wpc says:

            Yalensis, you are ducking and diving around the basic point still!
            To repeat myself, labelling with the intent to demean someone is an ad hominem attack and an ad hominem attack is a false argument and undoes the speaker’s argument in the eyes of those that see it for what it is. You are not doing yourself any favours, imo.

            As for me using labels on my blog, I am not in a discussion or argument with said fascists as you are with ThatJ and myself and others on this blog. If I were in a discussion with said fascists, I’d be concentrating on pulling their logic apart for all to see rather than insisting on what label I can call them.

            Anyway, I don’t think I will gain anything from repeating myself yet again so the floor’s yours, Yalensis 🙂 (Thanks for the compliment, btw!)

            • yalensis says:

              Dear James:
              Your argument about when it’s okay to call somebody a “fascist” on your blog, just does not hold water. (continuing bad punnery 🙂

              Okay, but I’ll shut up now, because Spartacus said (see below) everything I wanted to say in my own defense!

        • spartacus says:

          I’m sorry to disagree, but I don’t think that labelling per se, as in trying to use one word to categorize someone based on his stated views, is an “ad hominem” attack. The Nazi label was not used to counter the arguments of ThatJ, as in “You are a Nazi, therefore what you say is false”. It was used because ThatJ expressed some ideas that belong to the Nazi ideology and to that ideology alone, as far as I know. I agree that incorrect labelling, done with malicious intent and/or without supporting facts may represent an “ad hominem” attack, but this is not the case. I think there must be a distinction between so called “labelling” and calling it out like it is. Come to think of it, I don’t even think that the whole “ad hominem” thing can be applied in this instance. We are not debating if ThatJ does or does not have those views. He clearly has them, because he has explicitly stated them. If yalensis had called him a Nazi without knowing what his views were, that could have been an “ad hominem” attack because it would not have been based on any facts. You may bring arguments against his views that Holocaust didn’t happen or that the Jews as a whole (not Zionists, but Jews as a whole) are trying to enslave the white race, but that does not change the fact that having those views makes him a Nazi or something very close to one. Being a Nazi, or any political afilliation for that matter, doesn’t have anything to do with the validity of your arguments that support your view but with the view itself. You may be a Nazi who is wrong or a Nazi who is right, but if you think that the white race is threatened by the other inferior races, that immigration is genocide against the white race or that the Jews, as a whole, are plotting to take over the world and transform everyone into “shabbos goyim” then you are still a Nazi.

          • james@wpc says:

            Disagreement is good and is helpful for most people if statements are backed up. I learn a lot from this sort of process.

            “We are not debating if ThatJ does or does not have those views. He clearly has them, because he has explicitly stated them.”

            Good! Then lets forget about labels and ad hominems and whether they are helpful/ legitimate or not and make your case. Quote him directly and fully. That is, if you and/or Yalensis want to keep going with this.

            • spartacus says:

              How’s this:

              “Europe needs a revolution, because the Europeans’ subservience, nay, subjugation by Jews will bring about their eventual extinction, by which time Greater Israel will be a reality.”

              Note how he incriminates Jews as a whole. If you go back and scroll through his comments posted on this blog, you will find lots of gems such as this one.

              • james@wpc says:

                He doesn’t say ‘all Jews’ which would be necessary to “incriminate Jews as a whole”. On blogs we talk about ‘the Russians’, ‘the Americans’, etc and it is taken that we don’t mean ‘all Americans’. It would be nonsensical to take it that way. Those being referred to are the ones in control of America etc. The same would go for ‘Organised Jewry’ I would think. If not, why not?

                In any event, so far, that doesn’t make the case for ThatJ being a Nazi, which is your claim. Perhaps you had better define what you mean by “Nazi”. Does it mean more than someone who criticises Jews, some Jews, all Jews?

                • spartacus says:

                  “On blogs we talk about ‘the Russians’, ‘the Americans’, etc and it is taken that we don’t mean ‘all Americans’.”

                  I think your argument would be valid if, in stead of Jews, he would talk about citizens of Israel. When you talk about “Russians” and “Americans” you refer to their citizenship or you refer to the actions of their respective nation-states. The term “Jews” is a very broad term that includes every jewish person, regardless of him/her being a citizen of Israel or not. In fact, when you say “Jews” you may be referring to American, Russian, German or any type of Jew for that matter. If he would be concerned about singling out just a portion of them, he would say so because just using the general term could include every jewish person there is. For example, you can’t use “Jews” and “Zionists” interchangeably. There is a huge difference.

                  Other “gems”:

                  “Contrary to the standard narratives of Jewish ‘history,’ a prominent feature of the historical presence of Jews in Europe has been their protected status. The common context for this status was a symbiotic relationship between the Jewish minority and exploitative or tyrannical elites. As agents of the feared elite, as foreigners, as exploiters in their own right, and with interests antagonistic to those of the non-Jewish majority, the Jews would not be long in incurring the wrath of the peasantry.”

                  “European society”, what is that? Are European countries monolithic now, do they share the same “nature”, this one being, I think, that of Brussels? WWII is a detail of the Jewish history (to paraphrase Jean-Marie Le Pen), and it seems terrorism — thanks in large part to Jews themselves and their effort to undermine the demographics of Europe and North America — is also becoming one.”

                  Again, he doesn’t say that Israel, Zionists or some other particular jewish group is using terrorism as a weapon or using immigration to undermine the demographics of Europe, but Jews as a whole.

                  “In any event, so far, that doesn’t make the case for ThatJ being a Nazi…”

                  If you don’t think that calling to revolution because the Jews, again, not some specific jewish minority but the Jews as a whole, are trying to subjugate Europe does not sound Nazi, then I don’t know what will.

                • marknesop says:

                  That’s a good point – I don’t know what percentage of Jewish people were born outside of Israel, never lived there and have neither plans to do so or any particular attachment to The Holy Land, but I’d bet it is a significant number. In any case, it is not even all the Jews in Israel I have reservations about; just the activist Zionists who lobby to have other countries assist them in securing sweet deals for Israel at the expense of the neighbours. Get out there and negotiate at face value, with no threats from your big brothers, and be a good neighbour, and peace is at least as possible as doing it through intimidation.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  I prefer to use the term “US citizen” because Mexicans are Americans and Argentinians are Americans, not to mention Canadians.

                • marknesop says:

                  If you were within arms-length right now, I should swing for you.

                • Max says:

                  No one wants to be called a Nazi. Even Nazis. They claim Putin is a Nazi.

                • james@wpc says:

                  Spartacus,
                  this is in reply to your comment immediately below this comment of mine (hopefully!). The thread appears to be too long and the ‘reply’ button does not appear under your latest comment to me.

                  We seem to be at cross purposes and it seems to me you are not understanding what I mean by ‘argument’. So I need to explain it and forgive me if I sound a little didactic. You may be familiar with the following so my apologies in advance.

                  So, to begin with, you list some quotes from ThatJ but I can only presume you have left them at face value because you think they are self evident on two points – 1. that they are untrue, and 2. that they are conclusive evidence of his nazism and cannot mean anything else. You haven’t made the case, though. What you have presented is not an argument in the formal sense. There is no sequence or structure. You show no logical connections nor draw any valid conclusions.

                  There is a straight forward structure to making telling arguments refuting someone else’s contentions (assuming they are refutable). There are three steps to go through. They are Grammar, Logic and Rhetoric.

                  We first use our knowledge of grammar to see if the opponent’s sentences are intelligible. Are the subject, verb and object present and are they arranged to convey meaning, for instance. Are the terms use specific or vague. Sometimes it is helpful to ask for definitions of terms used such as when I asked you to define how you are using the word “Nazi”. It is best to be on the same page if you don’t want to be wasting your time and the time of others.

                  If any terms are vague (and I am often guilty of this), they could be ambiguous. If ambiguous, you are best again to ask for clarification because then the opponent is committed to that meaning. In the case of the term “Jews”, it needs to be qualified or quantified, “Which Jews are you talking about?”
                  This is important because you could construct a wonderful argument based on ‘all Jews’ only to have it come crashing down when your opponent says, “I didn’t say ‘all Jews’. You said that, not me”. Your opponent can then reasonably charge you with using a “Strawman argument” which misrepresents his case and is a fallacious argument. You’re on the back foot now!

                  Next we look at logic. You then want to check that the statements are true and/or consistent with each other (if they are linked). If not then you need to show how they are not and provide references if that will help your case. Then the conclusions. Do they make sense? Do the follow on logically or are they non sequiturs? Are there other fallacies present?

                  Finally you use rhetoric to sum up the forgoing into a meaningful whole. In other words, what wisdom or guidance can we draw from it all? What is the wider application (if any)? Sometimes, in my experience, this step is left out as it can be demeaning to the audience especially if you have made your argument well and it is now the ‘self evident proposition.

                  I have concentrated my comments on your structure and not the evidence you present per se because I am not here to defend anything ThatJ has said (he is quite capable of doing that himself). What I am endeavouring to get across is that there is a way to consistently find the truth and uncover prejudices (yours, mine or someone else’s) and sticking to formal logic and debating techniques is the way to go. Ad hominems and other fallacies like the strawman argument hinder that process regardless of whether someone feels they are justified or even true!

                • spartacus says:

                  @james
                  Thank you for this wonderful course in debating techniques. I assure you it was highly appreciated but I think it was a little too much for our little dispute. It would have been better to just refer to what ThatJ stated.

                  “This is important because you could construct a wonderful argument based on ‘all Jews’ only to have it come crashing down when your opponent says, “I didn’t say ‘all Jews’. You said that, not me”. Your opponent can then reasonably charge you with using a “Strawman argument” which misrepresents his case and is a fallacious argument. You’re on the back foot now!”

                  I feel I need to repeat what I wrote earlier, namely that he always used the umbrella term “Jews”. If he doesn’t mean all the Jews and if he has in mind only a small minority, like the Zionists for example, I would be pleased to hear that and I will offer him my appologies with the mention that in future posts he must clearly designate wich jewish groups he is refering to. But he never makes that distinction, as you could very well see if you scroll through his posts, on this thread or previous ones. He didn’t say “I didn’t say ‘all Jews” so, for now, you can’t accuse me of using the “Strawman argument”. So far, from what I can tell, he is using the word “Jews” as a general term, that includes every jewish person there is.

                  ” I have concentrated my comments on your structure and not the evidence you present per se because I am not here to defend anything ThatJ has said…”

                  It would have been better if you would have done just that. That was the whole point of this discussion. You keep telling me that I don’t make a “compelling” case but you offer no arguments of your own. Instead you decided to give me a very general and patronizing lecture about debating techniques.

                  Let’s look this one statement:

                  “Europe needs a revolution, because the Europeans’ subservience, nay, subjugation by Jews will bring about their eventual extinction, by which time Greater Israel will be a reality.”

                  Wich part of this statement does not sound anti-semitic to you? Please use your wonderful debating skills and tell me how can you not interpret this as hate speech. What structure do I need to construct and what logical connection do I need to make in order to show that this statement tries to bring up hatred towards the Jewish people?

                  If you take the time to scroll trough the comment threads where he posted you will find many more of these gems. There you will find your consistency.

                • spartacus says:

                  Correction: “what structure do I still need to construct and what logical connection do I still need to make…”. There, I think this makes it somewhat clearer. I wish my English was better but, hey, we all have our shortcomings…

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  “If you were within arms-length right now, I should swing for you.”

                  Who is that directed at and why?

                • marknesop says:

                  You, for implying Canadians are just another kind of Americans. Or perhaps I misunderstood. And of course I am joking, I just don’t like putting those little smiley faces in my text. But that’s just a personal thing.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  My comment concerning Canadians being Americans came about through my experience with a Canadian (he was from Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, which fact, for some reason or other, his compatriots seemed to find amusing) with whom I lived in the same boarding house in Hastings, England. When we used to go out for a drink at the weekend, he sometimes used to get a little irritated when the local girls said to him: “Are you an American?” whereupon he usually responded: “Yes, I’m a North American from Canada”.

                  He was a 2nd generation Scottish-Canadian, as a matter of fact, and still had great uncles and aunts and cousins in Glasgow, all of whom he went and visited when in the UK.

                • marknesop says:

                  Yes, well, we can’t help what continent we’re located in, and certainly from a trade association point of view we are close friends with much cross-border trade, investment and ownership of one another’s businesses. Canada is also largely dominated by American viewpoints and media, while our leader more or less takes his foreign-policy script by dictation from the President. But we are not Americans.

                  My own roots, on my father’s side, are in the UK, as I think I mentioned once before. But we have lost touch with them altogether and I have no idea where or who they are.

                • james@wpc says:

                  Spartacus,
                  I’ll put my comments in italics within your text as it will be easier for me and hopefully easier to follow

                  @james
                  Thank you for this wonderful course in debating techniques. I assure you it was highly appreciated but I think it was a little too much for our little dispute. It would have been better to just refer to what ThatJ stated.

                  Below you say, “Instead you decided to give me a very general and patronizing lecture about debating techniques.” I’m a little confused as to whether appreciated my outlining debating techniques or whether you felt patronised. Could you explain this to me? That is a genuine question and it is also an example of how to use questions to clarify the other party’s statement(s) and to encourage them to commit to a definite statement which you may be able to hang them with or it may clear up an innocent misunderstanding. By asking the question, you have nothing to lose and all to gain. You also avoid the ever present possibility of making an arse of yourself by going off half-cocked, as I had to learn the hard way not to do 🙂

                  “This is important because you could construct a wonderful argument based on ‘all Jews’ only to have it come crashing down when your opponent says, “I didn’t say ‘all Jews’. You said that, not me”. Your opponent can then reasonably charge you with using a “Strawman argument” which misrepresents his case and is a fallacious argument. You’re on the back foot now!”

                  I feel I need to repeat what I wrote earlier, namely that he always used the umbrella term “Jews”.
                  That seems to be true. So ask the question, “Do you mean ‘all Jews’?”

                  If he doesn’t mean all the Jews and if he has in mind only a small minority, like the Zionists for example, I would be pleased to hear that and I will offer him my appologies with the mention that in future posts he must clearly designate wich jewish groups he is refering to.
                  Good point so it pays to be polite in case you get an answer you didn’t anticipate.

                  But he never makes that distinction, as you could very well see if you scroll through his posts, on this thread or previous ones.
                  No he doesn’t make the distinction, so ask the question to press him to do just that
                  He didn’t say “I didn’t say ‘all Jews” so, for now, you can’t accuse me of using the “Strawman argument”.
                  I didn’t ay you did. I was offering a general reason why it is always wise to ask the question to get the other party to define terms or qualify vague terms.

                  So far, from what I can tell, he is using the word “Jews” as a general term, that includes every jewish person there is.
                  Arguing against what you ‘think’ he means is always dangerous. So ask the questions you need for clarification before entering into a dispute

                  ” I have concentrated my comments on your structure and not the evidence you present per se because I am not here to defend anything ThatJ has said…”

                  It would have been better if you would have done just that. That was the whole point of this discussion. You keep telling me that I don’t make a “compelling” case but you offer no arguments of your own. Instead you decided to give me a very general and patronizing lecture about debating techniques.

                  That is the whole point of your discussion, not mine. I’m here pressing the case for better debating techniques so the forum doesn’t degenerate but perhaps that is an unfounded fear on my part. I have been trying from the beginning to encourage you and Yalensis to press ThatJ for clarification first so you know exactly what you are up against and can then start to use critical thinking skills against a stated target (if indeed there is still a target after the answers are forthcoming. You may find that ThatJ was being reasonable after all. But you’ll never know if you don’t ask the questions. Of course, you have to be prepared for an answer that may not fit you picture of ThatJ but that shouldn’t be a problem if finding out the truth is important to you

                  Let’s look this one statement:

                  “Europe needs a revolution, because the Europeans’ subservience, nay, subjugation by Jews will bring about their eventual extinction, by which time Greater Israel will be a reality.”

                  Wich part of this statement does not sound anti-semitic to you?
                  ‘Anti-semetic’ is a term invented a little over a hundred years ago by Zionist Jews in Germany who were not semitic themselves. The subject is way too complex to get into on a comment thread.

                  Please use your wonderful debating skills and tell me how can you not interpret this as hate speech.
                  Since you ask the question 🙂 (which should be directed at ThatJ, for instance), the statement is critical of Jews but is it hatred? If it were factually true, for instance, it could be expressed as a warning to others and not as a call to hatred or inciting hatred. Ask questions. You need more information

                  What structure do I need to construct and what logical connection do I need to make
                  If you take the time to scroll trough the comment threads where he posted you will find many more of these gems. There you will find your consistency.
                  spartacus says:
                  January 30, 2015 at 6:00 pm

                  Correction: “what structure do I still need to construct and what logical connection do I still need to make…”. There, I think this makes it somewhat clearer. I wish my English was better but, hey, we all have our shortcomings…

                  You need to ask questions ThatJ for clarification and further information. Then you look at the subsequent answers for more gaps in information or inconsistencies etc. and take it from there.
                  Your English is pretty clear to me! If you have further questions, I’d be happy to answer them but off line. You can leave a message at my blog with an email address if you like. I will not publish your message or email address. Cheers

                • spartacus says:

                  “Could you explain this to me?”

                  Yes I could. I can’t say that I didn’t like your concise and clear presentation of debating techniques but I think it was uncalled for. If you really wanted to be the impartial mentor you claim to be, you should have addressed your plea for clarity to both parties involved in this debate. Instead, you just decided to focus on me and yalensis.

                  “So ask the question, “Do you mean ‘all Jews’?””

                  Actually, I don’t need to. I was not the first commenter to be alarmed by ThatJ’s comments towards the Jewish people. He had ample opportunity to clarify his views and to say if he meant only a specific group of Jews, such as Zionists. Even now, after all this discussion he is still not willing to clarify his position. I will grant you one thing though: it seems to me he is not, or at least not yet, a full-fledged Nazi because he doesn’t seem to manifest the intense hatred towards the Slavic people that the German Nazis used to show. But other than that, from what I could make from his comments, there is not much of a difference.

                  “That is the whole point of your discussion, not mine. I’m here pressing the case for better debating techniques so the forum doesn’t degenerate but perhaps that is an unfounded fear on my part.”

                  I think it is very nice of you to be concerned about mine and yalensis’ debating techniques, but when it comes to ThatJ’s racist comments you seem to show the utmost leniency. In my opinion, this approach is not the approach of an impartial mentor. I see myself obligated to state again that if you were truly concerned about being an impartial mentor, your plea for clarity would have been addressed to both sides of this debate.

                  “‘Anti-semetic’ is a term invented a little over a hundred years ago by Zionist Jews in Germany who were not semitic themselves. The subject is way too complex to get into on a comment thread.”

                  According to Wikipedia, the term “antisemitic” was coined by one Moritz Steinshneider, around 1860. I don’t know if he was a Zionist or not but, according to the information included in the Wiki article, he certainly was a Jew. For more information, see the link below:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

                  Nothing complex about that.

                • james@wpc says:

                  Thank you for your answer, Spartacus.

                  I focused on you and Yalensis because you were the ones engaging in ad hominems. ThatJ was not responding in kind.

                  I was hoping that I could get you to ask questions of ThatJ and get a dialogue going that would show both sides that the whole issue was not as black and white as presented; that there is actually some truth in both positions. From that point of view, it was a failure (on my part). However, it was interesting . . . . All the best

                • yalensis says:

                  Oy yoy yoy yoy yoy!

                  Dear James:
                  If this is an example of proper debating technique, then I am afraid it is not very good!
                  For starters, putting your own thoughts in italics was very confusing, and I could not even follow your line of thinking.

                  And why do you keep asking Spartacus to “ask ThatJ the question” ??
                  God knows, I have been drilling ThatJ for months now, and it is like pulling teeth to get him to explain his ideology in all its full depth and glory.

                  Although, I do notice, in his most recent comment, near the bottom of the thread, ThatJ did actually state an opinion, that he doesn’t think George Rockwell (leader of American Nazi Party) had the right ideas. This is something huge, to actually get something like this out of him, an actual clarification.

                  Also, you are being pedantic about Spartacus’ use of the term “anti-Semitism”. Regardless of the origins or history of the term, everybody knows what it means now. But for purposes of clarity, maybe we should just start using the term “Jew-Hater”. Or I recommend we could abbreviate as “Jater”.

                  What you are overlooking, I think, James, is that real debate is not always like in some Harvard Debating club. People can be duplicitous and try to hide their actual views, in order to fit in with a social group. It’s called “mimicry”.
                  Then, when you try to get clarification out of them, which is like pulling teeth, they start crying that you are “baiting” them.

                • yalensis says:

                  And P.S. – just one more thing (oy – there is always just “one more thing”)…

                  James: In response to Spartacus’ comments, namely, why don’t you be more impartial and also lecture ThatJ about proper debating techniques, you responded to the effect:
                  Well, it was only Spart and yalensis who employed “ad hominem” comments, of which ThatJ was innocent. Therefore me and Spart needed a spanking from the Professor, but ThatJ was a good boy and didn’t deserve a spanking.

                  For starters, I thought Spartacus had already WON that debating point, proving (to MY satisfaction at least) that neither he nor I employed “ad hominem” arguments. But I guess you don’t concede that point, so you still need to keep spanking us for (your perceived) our use of “ad hominem”.

                  As for ThatJ, the one thing I will admit about him is that he keeps his cool. No matter how vigorously I try to engage him in battle, he mostly avoids the fray, just plugging away with his copious postings of links and throwing in his stock phrases like “shabbos goyim”, and so on.
                  He is a cool cucumber, I will grant him that.

          • yalensis says:

            Exactly!

            Thanks, Spartacus, you said what I wanted to say, but I couldn’t have said it nearly as well! Respekt, you da dude!

      • Johan Meyer says:

        Some points:
        1. On the matter of the destruction of the European Jews: People who don’t believe it happened don’t necessarily want it to happen. What we find abominable about Naziism (ethnic destruction) is something that, as far as we know, ThatJ doesn’t believe happened, and thus doesn’t per se support. I’d be a bit more worried if he acknowledged said destruction, and still supported those historical parties.

        2. As to sending US blacks to Africa (i.e. ending the residence, citizenship and other rights of born residents, now citizens, then slaves): Lincoln was there first. This policy has only recently been seen as pathological in the west (see e.g. the rights of Austrian empire, Japanese and Chinese born prior to the 1950s, or even many born in North America).

        I don’t like such policies, and I’m glad that they don’t* presently have mass support. But people who hold such views aren’t necessarily more evil than the rest of the population—there are more than sufficient other evils. And there is a point of agreement between myself and those who hold such views—emmigration is a political pressure relief valve. Problems in poor societies can remain, because it is much easier (and more profitable) to emmigrate, than to actually fight the ills of the society.

        *Except, unfortunately, for refugees from Kagame’s genocidal maniac regime. Rwandans get deported from western countries on the flimsiest of pretexts, sometimes with show-trials that make the ICTR look legitimate by comparison, e.g. in Canada, one refugee was tried without his lawyer having access to the evidence, and in France, where a refugee was tried, without the *JUDGE* having access to the evidence. Also, Rwandans who were fraudulently arrested by the ICTR (especially by Canadian Supreme Court justice, Louise Arbour, then chief prosecutor of the ICTR—she shut down Michael Hourigan’s investigation after he had sufficient evidence), and subsequently found not guilty, are de facto stateless, and countries in which they have relatives will not take them, while Kagame is free to assassinate people around the world, including former allies who spill the beans, e.g. their involvement, under Kagame’s command, of assassinating president Habyarimana, the investigation into which was shut down by Louise Arbour, after the names of the perps escaped, namely Deputy Lieutenant Frank Nziza and Corporal Eric Hakizamana. Though why did the black box disappear into the UN for ten years? The missiles (one missed, the second struck) were missiles that Uganda had bought from the Soviet Union, and the RPF was an Ugandan institution…

        BTW english version of Bruguiere’s indictment in the assassination of Habyarimana (which is said to have been the trigger of the Rwandan genocide):

        Click to access BrugiereReport-English.pdf

        It is telling (and pathetic) that a psuedo-science/crystal magic website is the only English language organization that has the moral courage to publish such basic facts. And note the detail as well—the firewood excuse to smuggle arms (including the two missiles in question), when Rwanda had a functioning natural gas distribution system, notwithstanding Kagame’s RPF’s attacks on civilian infrastructure. Plus Kagame’s realisation that he’d lose any free and fair elections… Plus the involvement of NGOs to bolster the genocide narrative long before the genocide. Plus Kagame’s assassinations from Kenya to USA. Plus that the missile tubes were discovered on Masaka Hill (from where they allegedly couldn’t have been fired—the Guardian was a big waffler on this issue—apparently the Guardian misrepresented the French re Masaka hill, though I don’t speak the language).

    • ThatJ says:

      @yalensis

      I learned about Pierce looong after he died, through youtube. The youtube videos were made out of his radio broadcasts. So your view that I’m some sort of “Pierce follower” is ridiculous.

      And linking to the SPLC, ADL or ACLU is akin to asking Bibi’s views on Palestinians.

      Pierce said…

      I mentioned last week that when the Anti-Defamation League — or ADL for short — handed out press releases on September 24 to newspapers and other media in which they said that the organization I head, the National Alliance, is “the single most dangerous organized hate group in America,” and that we are “linked” to bank robberies, bombings, and murders all over the country, virtually all of the media simply printed these wild charges without checking them for accuracy. Of all the hundreds of newspapers which printed the ADL’s charges, only one — West Virginia’s Charleston Gazette — even bothered to call me first and ask for my comments.

      The wonderful world of NGOs and their special access to the controlled media. Isn’t it marvellous? This time-proved tactic should be familiar to everyone who’s been following Ukraine before, during and after Maidan. It is also a tactic that will be used by the Ukrainian state against its shabbos goy “nationalists” in the future, when the time is appropriate, in a slow but steady fashion, but only if the Zionist puppets triumph.

      There are thousands of non-governmental organizations, but only a few select ones have direct access to the mainstream media. They are successful for two reasons: being a NGO gives them an air of legitimacy, their voice are purported to be the voice of the civil society. Second, it gives the media an air of legitimacy as well, because it’s just reporting what “civil society” says, instead of writing its own biased articles or scripts. This tactic is targeted at what is called the herd mentality: “if the society thinks like that, and the media agrees with the society, then I agree with the society and the media because I don’t want to appear a weirdo”. This tactic can only be combated if there’s another powerful segment of society which is at odds with the status quo.

      And on the matter of “guilty by association”, I have also posted links to globalresearch.ca and other leftist websites in the past. Am I a communist now?

      About the rest of your accusations…

      • yalensis says:

        Dear ThatJ:

        You are not a Pierce follower?
        Good. Then, since Pierce was an intellectual who wrote down all his thoughts and his political program, it should be possible to go through it and analyze it point by point.

        Let us start the discussion with this:
        Which of Pierce’s manifesto points do you agree with, and which do you disagree with?

        • Jen says:

          I have to agree with James@WPC that ThatJ can’t be called a Nazi even though he has expressed opinions that overlap with opinions and views held by people known to be or to have associated with white supremacists and white separatists. As I understand it, Nazism as an ideology is pretty vague and quite contradictory because it also includes reverence for nature and land in ways that parallel modern environmental movements. Also Nazis venerated instinctive and simpleton behaviour over intelligence, curiosity and being broad-minded; that was one reason they hated Jews (because Jews in Germany were very educated and cosmopolitan).

          The problem with ThatJ’s views appearing on Mark’s blog the way they do is that they prevent the rest of us having frank discussions about the thinking and the actions of the Israeli government, the extreme right-wing elements in that government and various Israeli institutions like the IDF and Mossad, and about the nationalist ideology behind Zionism itself, and how Zionism and the state of Israel might actually threaten the long-term survival of the Jewish people and their traditions. Otherwise I am quite willing to agree with ThatJ to some extent that there are people, Jewish and non-Jewish alike, who exploit the Shoah for commercial and political gain, and that there are Jewish individuals, organisations and other institutions who are Zionist in orientation, are racist towards gentiles and express some very extreme views that place Jews at the top of a racial hierarchy. This is not something that Jewish people inherit genetically, this is taught to them and this is a form of nationalism based on (and exploiting) religion. ThatJ’s views are “poisoning the well”, so to speak.

          • yalensis says:

            Dear Jen,
            I agree with every word you wrote, and I feel exactly the same way.

            That was the point I was trying to express in my earlier comment to you, the idea of somebody “poisoning the well”: All our comments on the blogosphere fly up into the same cloud and become raw data points for opinion-trending. If I make a comment, say, criticizing Israeli policy toward Palestinians, then several thousand people out there on the internet might read my comment side by side with one of ThatJ’s rants, and jump to the conclusion that Russophile blogs are anti-Semitic cesspools. (Which is one anyone thinks who reads the RT comments section!)

            It’s all about the overall impression, and how things “trend” in the blogosphere. And I can’t help but feel that ThatJ counts on that factor too. He slid himself in sideways initially, using mimicry and attempting to create an impression of a seamless and harmonious bond between Russophilia and Jew-hating. He blew it though because he just wasn’t subtle. He hammers the same points over and over practically with a baseball bat.

            Anyhow, all this was what I was trying to say (not very elegantly), when James called me out, and then we had to have that whole “ad duckinem” sidebar debate. Not that I think ThatJ or any commenter should be banned, I am a believer in free speech, and it’s not my blog anyhow, so I don’t get to decide… But the point I was trying to make to you earlier, was just a personal one, just to express a personal feeling, that ThatJ makes me feel uncomfortable, and I don’t feel like I can express my views completely and frankly with him on the same blog.

            It’s like having that one racist uncle at the dinner table, you know you can’t open your mouth and talk about, say, football, because you know he will turn it into a racist rant!

            Anyhow, as far as Nazism is concerned, I would define Nazism as a particular (German) strain of fascism. With fascism as the broader definition. In turn, I would broadly agree with Trotsky’s definition of fascism as “a plebian movement in origin, directed and financed by big capitalist powers.” And if that doesn’t fit current Ukrainian Banderism to a tee, as well, then I don’t know what does!

        • spartacus says:

          If anybody is interested in a definition and characteristics of Nazism, I think this Wikipedia article, linked below, offers a pretty good overview.

          “Usually characterised as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism, Nazism arose from pan-Germanism, the Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps after World War I.”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

          Granted, Wikipedia is not always the best source of information, but in this case I think it is a good start. Note the fact that Nazism has antisemitisim as one of its core principles and that the Nazi supported the view that the Jews were responsible for exploitation and repression of the Aryan race. Ring a bell?

          • ThatJ says:

            Wikipedia is strongly slanted towards Zionism and Trotskyism (or “liberasty” as the Russians put it).

            Human biodiversity study is called “scientific racism”. Attaching loaded words of a sociopolitical nature to a scientific subject is in itself an attack on scientific freedom and scholarship.

            See:
            The Wikipedia Jews

            And then you have the English-language moderators, a position filled by liberasts of every stripe (Jew and non-Jew alike). And before you tell me, yeah, I know that Encyclopedia Dramatica is a satirical wiki, but the linked references are not.

            • ThatJ says:

              By the way, the Mariupol shelling gained its own Wikipedia entry. Why, I wonder? Simple: because the rebels were blamed for the civilian deaths.

              Meanwhile, the untold story of thousands of killed victims by the junta loyalists in the rest of Donbass will remain just that: untold.

            • spartacus says:

              “Human biodiversity study is called “scientific racism”.”

              Actually, if you read the Wikipedia article, you will see that it does not do that. According to Wiki, scientific racism is defined as “the use of scientific techniques and hypotheses to support or justify the belief in racism, racial inferiority, or racial superiority, or alternatively the practice of classifying individuals of different phenotypes into discrete races.”

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

              Scientific racism doesn’t have anything to do with studying human biodiversity, but it has everything to do with trying to establish a “scientific” base for classification of humans in “superior” and “inferior” races and for discrimination against races designated as “inferior”.

              • yalensis says:

                Back in the old days, “scientific racism” consisted of measuring people’s skulls with calipers, and trying to see who looked more like a chimpanzee.
                Nowadays the racists are more sophisticated, they try to latch onto valid and contemporary scientific disciplines like biodiversity, DNA genome studies, etc.

                Regardless of which, “biodiversity” data doesn’t support anti-Semitism, because the Jews as a group certainly don’t perform badly on IQ tests So, that marker is usually used to discredit people like Africans and Mexicans who don’t (on average, as a group, as a statistical spectrum) perform as well on the tests as Caucasians and Asians.

                • colliemum says:

                  Footnote regarding the use of “Asian”:
                  in the British MSM, this is a code word for ‘criminals of Pakistani origins’, such as those who’ve groomed and abused white (sorry for being so crude) girls in Rotherham (google it).
                  Contrary to the impression one might gain, i.e. that Britain is overrun by Chinese and Japanese immigrants, criminals all, it is a neat ploy by TPTB to combat the dumb racism prevalent amongst us plebs.
                  It is worth pointing out that criminals of Eastern European origins (Poland, Baltics), are always named and their country of origin given.

            • yalensis says:

              Dear ThatJ:
              “Russians” don’t use the word “liberast” as synonymous with Zionists and Trotskyists.

              People who use the term “liberast” generally use it to refer to people who are considered to be political tools of the pindosi. Like Navalny, for example. Who is neither a Zionist nor a Trotskyist. Who is actually a Russian nationalist.
              A better term, IMHO, is “pod-pindosnik” = somebody who lies underneath the pindosi.

            • ThatJ says:

              spartacus

              Scientific racism doesn’t have anything to do with studying human biodiversity, but it has everything to do with trying to establish a “scientific” base for classification of humans in “superior” and “inferior” races and for discrimination against races designated as “inferior”.

              So what should be done if a scientific test measuring a sensible human trait show different races, or even ethnicities if you will, performing unequally? Should the study be buried? The responsible fired? Or will personal attacks suffice?

              By attaching loaded terms to a scientific subject, you make it a partisan issue — in other words, you undermine one of the fundamentals of science.

              The subject is human biodiversity — you either show your data defending your position, or you shut up. Alternatively you can go unscientific and lay down your political views and why you think they triumph science.

              • marknesop says:

                Is it your contention, then, that any race – given identical conditions and opportunities – is inferior to others? Scientifically?

              • Jen says:

                ” … So what should be done if a scientific test measuring a sensible human trait show different races, or even ethnicities if you will, performing unequally? Should the study be buried? The responsible fired? Or will personal attacks suffice? …”

                That depends very much on what the people conducting the test actually set out to test; what hypothesis they were trying to disprove; what methods they used; what definitions they used to define the terms they used in the study to define what they were studying, how they came up with those definitions and how strictly they used them; what and who their subjects were. Furthermore the study has to be made public and that includes all its methodology and information about the sample of humans tested, how the researchers came by that sample, whether that sample is typical of the population under focus. Other researchers interested in the study must know how it was done and what was done so they can carry out similar studies and achieve similar results. If that can be done and the results can be replicated, and no biases on the part of the original researchers are present, then various theories to explain the phenomenon can be developed. Perhaps the trait is not a biological trait but a cultural trait (such as cousin marriage through generations to prevent property from being divided up constantly among male descendants) or a trait caused by something present or lacking in the environment (a chronic disease that weakens immunity or soil lacking in iodine) and all these could be the bases for further study and experimentation.

                If the people who do the testing fail to present their methodology to a board of review, made of people in the field familiar with the science, or the methodology and terms of reference are shown to be dodgy in any way that affects the results, then the researchers have to go back over their work to find out what biases were present and to iron them out. Other researchers who try the replicate the original study but keep coming up with questionable results may suspect the original study has faults that affected the results and can report them through various forums. This is what the practice of science is about (or should be about).

                What is meant by a “sensible” human trait? What is “sensible” in some cultures or contexts may not be sensible in others. Determination and stubbornness may be admired in some situations but in others, the same qualities could be labelled inflexibility and stupidity. Equally what is meant by “races” or “ethnicities” and how do we test for that across national borders? A person deemed black in the US (because of the one-drop definition of race) could be considered white in another country on the basis of appearance alone and treated as white.

                No-one gets fired but if a scientist or a team of scientists keep coming up with dodgy studies or work that seems to be biased in some way, their peers will find out and expose them. The recent work done by some South Korean scientists on cloning in which some of the research was apparently faked or manipulated to look good and the researchers exposed publicly is an example of how scientists police (for want of a better term) one another’s work.

              • ThatJ says:

                @marknesop

                A decent environment may help, but I’m afraid it’s not enough.

                This is the old debate of nurture (environment) vs nature (genetics).

                The Trotskyite left has wracked the social sciences. It’s totally one-sided and has been this way for decades: racial differences don’t exist — or don’t matter — and if one group performs poorly, the fault lies elsewhere, namely, white people are keeping said group down and the government has to remedy the situation. This in turn becomes a vicious cicle, because the very premise that the Trotskyites assume is false.

                For this bunch, the only trait where biology matters is your sexuality: here, unlike race, environment plays no role, it’s all due to biology baby, “you are born this way”, to paraphrase Lady Gaga.

                • yalensis says:

                  Dear ThatJ:

                  I am afraid you have gotten yourself into a bit of a circular reasoning here.
                  Jen explained in HER comment, just above yours, exactly what the scientific method is, and how a valid study of (group-wise) ethnic differences should be conducted, with transparent methodology, peer review, etc. etc. To quote youself, “The subject is human biodiversity — you either show your data defending your position, or you shut up.”

                  But alas, this is not possible, according to you! Because the social sciences faculties are all controlled by Jews Trotskyites! Therefore, somebody with your political views (and pre-assumption that in your scientific experiment some races would prove out to be inferior to others) would never be able to get a job in academia and devote himself to pure science, right? So it’s hopeless.

                  (Actually, Jen would know this better than me, because I am not a sociologist, but I am pretty sure that people with your political views can and do get professor and research positions in the social sciences. They might be in the minority, but they are present in several faculties, I know that fact just from googling. These professors just had to work their way slowly, yeat by year, up the academic ladder, like everybody else, plugging away, teaching, research, publishing, the usual, they didn’t get a free pass, and maybe they had to be just a little bit smarter than the “Jews and Trotskyites” who get the free pass to tenured jobs /sarc….)

                • Johan Meyer says:

                  Actually, biological claims are usually either very circumspect and/or specific (language/grammar as a genetic alotment, or that a given gene in a given environment has a given effect), or very broad (sexuality, IQ, etc. as due to genes, usually underspecified).

                  The circumspect claims are usually the basis of research programs (looking for general patterns), and when the human biodiversity folks work on that level, their results are quite useful (geographic/ethnic distribution of IQ at present, correlation of IQ with given pathologies, e.g. crime, slow nerve conduction, and the like). But one doesn’t need to accept Chomsky’s views on the genetic nature of language (I’m sympathetic), or the HBD crowd’s views on the genetic nature of social pathologies (I’m not sympathetic) in order to get information from these sources—their findings, without their assumptions, are very interesting.

                  But take the nurture argument seriously: take an environmental factor that is known to affect say a given pathology, e.g. IQ—unless you have a very complete account of how the factor affects the outcome, you don’t have much of an idea of the underlying genetic potential, only what you measure, and what little you can account for.

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  What, no links to Tweets from Bild, Bloomburg, Lucas, Adomanis, Browder, Aslund, Interpreter,etc?

                  How can you compare your pathetic links from academia to such above listed outstanding tweets off twits (tweeters?)

                  🙂

              • james@wpc says:

                ThatJ,
                Mark asked you what I thought was a really good question which gets to the heart of the matter-
                “Is it your contention, then, that any race – given identical conditions and opportunities – is inferior to others? Scientifically?”

                It is a ‘closed’ question and is therefore looking for a yes/no type of answer. You didn’t answer the question. Would you care to do so? I am asking the question now, too.

      • Warren says:

        I use to listen and read transcripts of William Pierce’s American Dissident Voices broadcasts on NatVan/NatAll.com from 2000 until he died in ’02. Then Kevin Alfred Strom took over, however I stop listening to ADV around ’04. Then use hang out on Liberty Forum until it shut down around ’07 – there were some real characters on there like Skunk and Laconas.

  7. Hunter says:

    Hey guys!

    What’s new?

    Can anyone explain what’s supposedly going on with Belarus? Because Yahoo! news gives the impression that Lukashenko is having problems with Russia including:

    1. Russia supposedly wanting him to retire

    2. trade disputes that leave Lukashenko ready to pull Belarus out of the Eurasian Economic Union

    3. a general rift in relations

    But given that this is Western news, I can’t really trust it to give the full picture rather than the picture that fits in with the view it would like to present…..so what’s the real deal?

  8. Warren says:

    This is beyond parody, when UK-Russia relations were improving the UK gov decided to coroner’s inquiry will be secret.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/27/litvinenko-coroner-government-evidence-private

    However, when UK-Russia relations deteriorated, UK gov announces a new public inquiry on Litvinenko.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28416532

    Now this circus and show trial called the public inquiry has started with the usual media anti-Russian fanfare.

    • marknesop says:

      It’s a pity Litvinenko can only die once; they might have been able to spin him out into the next century if he could only die again and again. What the British believe happened is well known, and they are not interested in any other possibility – Litvinenko had to be silenced because of what he knew, which if made public could bring Putin’s whole rotten empire crashing down around his tiny feet. See Stanislav Belkovsky for details of Putin’s stolen wealth. Yawn.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        I saw an article in the Russian press yesterday where buffoon Zhirinovsky said he was ready to appear at the inquiry as he had got well-in with Berezovsky, he claims, when that criminal was making overtures for returning to Russia. Zhirinovsky said he had had a long conflab with him about this and reckons Berzovsky got bumped off because of his intention to come back to Russia and the danger there of his blowing the gaff on Litvinenko’s death.

        Владимир Жириновский: Березовского убрали, чтобы скрыть следы гибели Литвиненко!

        Vladimir Zhirinovsky: Berezovsky was removed so as to hide the traces to Litvinenko’s death

        “Berezovsky confirmed that all of this was a provocation, and he was ready to indicate the true perpetrators of the poisoning. He said that Marina, Litvinenko’s wife, had confirmed this information, as she also knows the whole truth” …

        Vladimir Zhirinovsky had in mind two long conversations that had taken place with Boris Berezovsky in 2013, when they met on holiday at the Red Sea, and discussed the possibility of his returning to Russia in exchange for help with the Litvinenko case…

        “What he told me, and I’m not just saying this to impress you, was very important political information. We [Zhirinovsky’s political party, the Liberal Democrats] have revealed this because the British have reopened the case, and there may be, legally speaking, other circumstances. But this information will only be reported if the UK law enforcement agencies want it…

        – Do you think the British will want to hear your testimony?

        – That is of no interest to us. If they want it, we’ll give it; if they don’t want it, it stays here in Moscow!

        • yalensis says:

          I happen to believe that particular “conspiracy story”.
          Namely that Berez was bumped off because of his plan to return to Russia and spill the beans.
          I had a bit of a debate on this at the time with Alex Mercouris. Mercouris was convinced that Berezovsky’s “suicide” was legit, but I wasn’t so convinced myself!
          Granted that the “suicide” looked genuine enough (=guy hangs himself with own tie on bathroom doorknob), but I think there was some mention of some extra bruises on Berez.
          Like he had roughed himself up, before hanging himself!

          • Southerncross says:

            Those details make it sound like a case of autoerotic asphyxiation.

            • yalensis says:

              Well, we always knew this guy was a tosser!

              • Moscow Exile says:

                Perhaps Berezovsky was eliminated because he had had Litvinenko done away with because the “former KGB spy” was threatening to sell information about an international radioactive isotope smuggling operation, not knowing that the surplus to requirements Litvinenko was an informer on the MI6 payroll.

                Litvinenko, they say, was strapped for cash. Be that as it may, after having allegedly knocked back his p-210 laced tea in the company of Lugovoi, he still had enough readies on hand to go to a Mayfair lap dancer “club” and leer at the performers there. Such places are “members only” and not cheap – especially in Mayfair.

                The wonderful p-210 trail in London, about which Harding, using his stunning powers of logic, said that the killers must not have been aware was being laid and would be easily traceable (dumb, slab-faced KGB thugs, see), also led to this den of iniquity.

                Perhaps one of the “dancers” slipped Sasha a Micky Finn while he was oggling some other woman?

                The grief stricken Mrs. Litvinenko (she was Mrs. Litvinenko №2, as a matter of fact) never mentions her former husband’s visit to this place.

                She used to be a dancer as well.

                Not saying Widow Litvinenko was a stripper though – no strip clubs in Voronezh (that’s where the Litvinenkos came from), at least, there weren’t any when I lived there.

                Lots of pretty girls though.

                🙂

        • marknesop says:

          Yes, the west loves Zhirinovsky, because he is such a loon – it’s not that he is stupid, because he isn’t, but he’s so unpredictable. He’s just as likely to give a clever, incisive viewpoint and then smash an egg on his own head or drink a glass of turpentine. But the west loves him because he helps foster an image of a nation of people just like him. Consequently, it likes to broadcast his nutty moments, like his attribution of the Chelyabinsk meteor to an American weapons test. Nothing was said about Freedom -Defender Yulia Latynina – whom the west actually does revere – saying the same thing except that it was a Russian weapons test that went wrong and the Russian government tried to cover it up. She was even allowed to retract her entire article for Novaya Gazeta as if it never happened.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      It’s just a who-can-throw-the-most-shit-at-Russia show.

      Is there no way of countering these hysterics?

      Is there no one representing the Russian government there, no one to contest these allegations?

      Tintin is in his element, of course, frothing at the mouth over “revalations”.

  9. marknesop says:

    From the always-out-in-front Fort Russ, a clip from Ukraine TV “TSN” showing irregulars of Donbass Battalion riding in ambulances – another war crime.

    • kat kan says:

      OSCE saw and reported on “four armed males, seemingly able-bodied and wearing camo, exiting an ambulance at the (ukie) checkpoint” 4 months ago. Near Mariupol.

      They still talk of “DPR” checkpoints, but a few times lately “government checkpoint” has been replaced with “Ukrainian checkpoint”. Reality sneaking in?

      • Tim Owen says:

        I read somewhere that the lead OSCE official in Ukraine is the son of an ex OUN member. I’d have to look it up again and I’m out and about at the moment. Anyone have that detail at their fingertips?

        • peter says:

          • marknesop says:

            I wonder where that background is from? Some of the geography doesn’t match up, but otherwise it looks very much like Sidney, British Columbia, which is right up the road from me. I wonder also if the author is the same Michael Bociurkiw who was the OSCE monitor, and was one of the first at the crash scene of MH-17 and shortly thereafter said it looked to have been damaged by machine-gun fire.

            That could be important, because there were indications early on that the junta intended to use a defense that if there appeared to be machine-gun damage to the pieces of the aircraft, there might well be but it had been caused by subsequent shelling of the wreckage in battle on the ground. But Bociurkiw saw the panel in question while the wreckage was still smoking and while nobody was shooting because the site was a mass of people, many of them not involved in the civil war.

            • Jen says:

              Checked and compared the photos of Michael Bociurkiw at his Twitter account and of Michael Bociurkiw in the OpEdNews.com link and they are of the same fellow.

              Here is how he introduces himself on his Twitter account:

              “Proud Canadian. OSCE Spokesperson for the Special Monitoring Mission to #Ukraine. Mentor for @TheOpEdProject. Writer, speaker, social media bouncer, foodie.”

              One reason Bociurkiw was the first member of the OSCE team at the MH-17 crash site may be that he was the only person in the team able to talk to the rebels in Russian or Ukrainian.

          • Oddlots says:

            Yeah I kind of garbled the piece I read to say the least. The piece was here:

            http://spitfirelist.com/news/who-is-michael-aka-mykhailo-bociurkiw/

            No idea how I transposed his father onto this nor do i know whether Dave Emory is to be trusted.

  10. marknesop says:

    Also from Fort Russ, it looks as if the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs has exonerated the Berkut for the killings of the Heavenly Hundred – the young Armenian before whose simple memorial The Pig knelt in solemn respect only last week was discovered to have been killed by a shotgun, which the police did not have. And it further said it did not appear the police had any of the weapons used to off the rest. Interesting times in Kiev, my friends: what will happen next?

    It looks very much to me as if some of the rats are trying to scramble out from under the wall they see collapsing on them.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      That Armenia “martyr” was all codology.

      The whole “Ukrainian Nation” is all bullshit as well.

      • Southerncross says:

        Not forgetting their Georgian martyr – surely the new free and honest Ukraine will be bringing Kuchma to justice for the Gongadze murder soon?

    • kat kan says:

      There may be other explanations. A month or so ago I read that one of the Heavenly 100 had actually been killed in an ordinary brawl in a cafe or bar nearby, and dragged to the spot to cover the killing. “Hidden in plain view”, what better place to dump a murder victim than at a massacre?

    • patient observer says:

      But will they go all the way and identify who did the shootings? I suspect that their will shuffle their feet and look at the ground as they mutter something like “gosh, who can tell? its all so complicated, you know, I mean, like …..”.

  11. Moscow Exile says:

    THE WORLD AND NOT THE WORLD

    Source: Zero hedge via Patrick Armstrong via Russia insider.

    Love it!

  12. peter says:

    • spartacus says:

      Still, I think Putin may be better off than this bloke:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wadlow

      PS. I was going to use “..this guy”, but than I remembered that Moscow Exile complained about the excessive use of this word so I used “bloke” instead 🙂

      • Moscow Exile says:

        I didn’t complain about the use of “guy”; I just said that “guy” seems to have replaced “bloke”, “chap”, “fellow”, lad”, “laddie” in UK vernacular since I left my homeland. I have long noticed this in the speech of fellow countrymen who have arrived here over the past 10 years or so and in letters to newspapers, most noticeably to the Guardian.

        Where I come from, they say (said?) “lads” and “lasses”, and “old lad” to older friends, as in: “There’s a lad I work with who says he knows you”.

        There’s a diminutive for “lass”: “lassie”; for “lad” there is “laddie”. I should think most US speakers of English would think that “Lassie” is a suitable name for a collie bitch.

      • peter says:

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Do you think Obama’s dick is bigger than Putin’s?

            Whatever you may think, so what?

            • peter says:

              Do you think Obama’s dick is bigger than Putin’s?

              I have no idea, we can only take Berezovsky’s word on that.

              “Я понимаю, что Путин желает быть самцом, альфа-самцом. Но для этого надо обладать хотя бы соответствующего размера причинным местом. А у него вместо причинного места – прыщ”, – сказал Березовский, напомнив, что во время дружбы с Путиным им неоднократно доводилось вместе париться в бане, а посему точно знает, о чем говорит…

  13. peter says:

    • patient observer says:

      Seems like a good move.

      • kirill says:

        Indeed. The ruble crash just cuts off more imports. As posted somewhere here I believe, Russians have been buying domestically produced TVs and other consumer goods in significant quantities. And Russian manufactured goods surged 28%. The best governor on the ruble exchange rate is Russia’s GDP. Killing the GDP growth with stupidly high interest rates is grossly incompetent. But it seems that the CBR is a ware of this.

  14. yalensis says:

    Meanwhile, Good News! on the war front :

    Uglegorsk has been taken by the Rebels.
    Even Semen Semenchenko (Commander of Donbass Battalion) admitted that the town was taken.
    From what I understand, Uglegorsk (as per its name) is a major coal-mining town.

    More to the point, this military victory for the insurgents furthers the closing of the ring around the Debaltsevo Cauldron.
    If the “boiling of the cauldron” proceeds as planned, then, according to VZGLIAD, as many as 10,000 Ukie soldiers could end up surrounded and forced to surrender.

    • spartacus says:

      From what I understand from Google translating Cassad’s blog entry (linked below), it seems that Uglegorsk is split between the NAF and the Ukrainians and that the front line currently lies within the city with fierce fighting going on.

      http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2019740.html

      Is his information outdated? He does report, however that the NAF is able to shell the M103 highway that is used to supply the Ukrainian troops located inside the Debaltsevo pocket.

    • PvMikhail says:

      I think it is too optimistic. In my view in the whole Debaltsevo operation only 8000 ukropi take part. In our wildest dreams only 4000-6000 ukropi can be taken prisoner by NRA, but even this victory would be a huge blow to ukrop moral. The caudron is not fully closed yet, but today the first signs came from ukronazi social media that two checkpoints have been destroyed by militia near Luganskoye (northeast near the shores of the reservoir which is a natural barrier between militia and ukrop reinforcements in the north). The good news is however, that the high places have been captured so any ukropi movement on the Artemovsk Debaltsevo road can be destroyed by direct artillery and tank fire.

      In my opinion: mobilized concripts should be captured and used as propaganda, later released.
      Irregular nazis older than 25 should be destroyed on spot by shooting in the back of the head.

      • PvMikhail says:

        What worries me that strategic objectives like the Uglegorsk TPP (thermopower plant, which is on the northern side of this reservoir near Svetlodarsk and not Uglegorsk) or Avdeyevka Coke and Chamical Plant (northern part of Avdeyevka) haven’t been captured yet. This could be mined and destroyed by retreating ukropi. The first could cause a big power blackout, the second an ecological disaster. Just think about it.
        Militia must know this. These operations should be cautiously planned and implemented.

        • kat kan says:

          The power plant they will leave alone — it does not serve the Republic areas at all, so damaging that would only hurt “Ukrainians”. Even Schastye plant, which does serve Lugansk, was just a little bit damaged, not destroyed, because it mostly serves the Kiev-held parts of the oblast. (Since Lugansk started supplying coal to it they’ve left it alone, just a few times blowing the lines going south).

  15. et al says:

    It looks like corruption is a real fashion!

    SkyNudes: Police Officers Abusing Their Power – Report
    http://news.sky.com/story/1417606/police-officers-abusing-their-power-report
    Forces are told by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary they “have to be more vigilant” to combat the “significant problem”.

    Police officers are abusing their power to get sexual favours and drugs, a report reveals, and it’s feared that new force budget cuts could breed staff anger and more corruption.

    The abuse of power was first highlighted two years ago, but is happening just as much now, according to Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary.

    Mike Cunningham said: “It remains a concern today and we want to see a more proactive approach by police leaders to identify officers likely to conduct themselves in this way and put preventative measures in their way.

    “They have to be more vigilant. It is not decreasing and remains a significant problem.

    “Like all corruption, the true scale of it is not known until you turn over the stone.”..
    ####

    As any fule kno, Russian police are corrupt and have a lot to learn from Police in the UK, US and other civilized countries. But, on the other hand, I am confused. Russia has increased wages of their Police so that they won’t be tempted to pad their wallet simply to enjoy a normal life, not to mention something that has been mentioned numerous times on this blog, the cost of bribes in Russia has gone up an the number of people demanding bribes has gone down which would indicate that the risks associated with demanding a bribe have increased, thus lending credence to Russia’s anti-corruption campaign actually having an effect.

    In the article above we can see poor resources being the source of blame (i.e. excuse) to not do anything about it in 50% of cases. So how exactly is the UK different when it comes to the dynamics of corruption when compared to Russia? Is it the alphabet?

    Like most things, it is much easier to note the instance of something occurring than note its absence, i.e. “I can’t remember the last time…“. Evidence of something not happening doesn’t present itself because it did not happen and to show this someone has to get off their fat asses and look for the statistics, something the highly literate, educated, balanced and thoughtful Russia expert journalists have trouble doing. If a few of them do notice, it is either ‘fake statistics’ because an acquaintance told them something recently or it simply isn’t addressed, they just chose the next beating stick in the pile.

  16. Moscow Exile says:

    This is for real – it ain’t no spoof!

    • et Al says:

      Just watched it. Nekrassov is truly excellent. Bausmann of Russia-insider comes off as excitable and maximalist. Sagramosso from KCL comes off as a policy wonk who is great on conceptual theory, but ignores practical reality – case in point near the end where she makes the point of ‘The West will not compromise on the principle of not changing borders by force’. I shouted at my computer ‘KOSOVO!’. And then Lavelle said ‘What about Kosovo?’.

      The problem with western wank tank intellectuals is that transgressions by the West of concepts that they absolutely will not accept from others is simply ignored as irrelevant. “Well, it happened a long time ago”. “It is NOT a precedent”. “It was a humanitarian intervention to stop a greater evil”. “We are exceptional”. When the so-called western experts in such jobs where they consider themselves as professionals not tainted by politics or consensualism simply do not recognize basic facts, and here Sagramosso talks about perceptions on both sides but clearly in no way thinks that her own perceptions are off kilter, then what checks and balances are left? None!

      • Warren says:

        “Exceptionalism” is another way of saying “do as I say not as I do”, i.e., hypocrisy. There are one set of rules for the “West” and another set of rules for the “rest”

        You don’t get anywhere in Western academia or think tanks by thinking independently. Instead group think and Western arrogance permeates throughout.

        All the suggestions that Sagramosso suggestions to end the conflict.
        1. Ukraine’s territorial integrity is respected.
        2. Autonomy for the Donbass.
        3. West/EU cooperating with Russia to help Ukraine’s economy.

        Were all put forward by Russia, yet when Nekrassov mentioned this, Sagramosso completely ignores him.

        The problem with Western policy wonks is that they are loathe to admit failure, because that will kill their career prospects. So they continue on with the same course.

        Bausmann is absolutely right to highlight how new independent alternative media reduces the chances of “false flag” provocations taking place.

      • Tim Owen says:

        FWIW I thought Bausman’s point , asking “… who’s right and who ‘s wrong” was actually the highlight. You can say he’s taking a maximalist position and I understand the point, but without some honesty about what has happened all the goodwill in the world will just be misspent rewarding bad actors.

  17. Moscow Exile says:

    Encirclement battle at Debal’tsevo

    • dany8538 says:

      Moscow Exile, whats your opinion of the russian banks. I have a certain situation that may require the use of VTB or some bank of similar size strictly for personal use. Would you put your money in there and collect interest or do you keep your money under a mattress like all good russians do 🙂

      • Moscow Exile says:

        My salary gets paid into a VTB account. I usually withdraw almost all of it immediately, just leaving 5,000 rubles to pay for little things – mostly downloaded apps that my kids are always asking me for. The withdrawn money goes under the mattress.

        Actually, I think VTB is safe, but what I earn, we spend. We don’t purposely save, but we’re never flat broke at the end of of the month: we usually have a few thousand in the kitty when the next pay-day comes.

        • dany8538 says:

          Thanks, . How much trust do you have in them? My parents have such terrible memories of russian banks that when i tell them about my plan to use them they shudder with fear. They prefer the mattress by the way. They are so afraid because of past experiences that its hard to make them use american banks.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Well, my wife lost a lot of money in ’98, the year after we got wed, because she had an account at Most Bank. It went down and she got a small part of her money back off the government. I had account at Moscow Bank when I worked for another firm and which paid my salary into it. I left that firm and in the end closed that account in 2007 because I feared a repeat performance of ’98. And then my present firm decided to use VTB for my salary payments and I’ve had no problems at all with them.

            As it happens, I’m going to open an account with Citibank for my son tomorrow. He gets checks off Google because of income earned through ads on his You Tube site. I picked up a letter addressed to him yesterday and posted in Buffalo, N.Y. Inside was a check for $170. He’s already received two others made out to a similar amount and I found out that he can have an account if I give the OK.

            I’m not worried about either Citiank or VTB – or Sberbank, for that matter. The two latter have the government as their majority shareholder; Citibank is US based and arrived here about 10 years ago, I think.

            • dany8538 says:

              Wow I didnt know citi has branches in russia. really interesting

              • Warren says:

                There are many foreign banks operating in Russia – if you feel more confident with a foreign bank than a Russian bank, why not try “the world’s local bank”?

                http://www.hsbc.ru/1/2/rus/ru/business

                I use to work for this lot for 5 years in London

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  I thought HSBC had quit retail banking here.

                  HSBC Leaves Russia Retail Banking

                  I noticed a few years ago an HSBC branch not very far from my house and immediately thought of opening an account there. Then almost as soon as it had appeared, it closed – or it seemed that way. The same happened with Barclays. And I think Lloyds had a small venture here as well before giving up the ghost.

                  My own UK bank, NatWest, has never gone into retail banking here, which causes me problems. There was a NatWest office on Tverskaya St. 20 years ago (might be there now as far as I know, but I doubt it), and I checked out the place: it’s just some sort of consultancy.

                  The sad fact is that there are no British retail banks here and to transfer money from NatWest to a Russian bank is expensive. I had to do this about 15 years ago in order to apply for a residency permit, as one of the conditions then for being granted such a permit was to have as a minimum $35,000 in a Russian bank account. You have to transfer the money, show the bureaucrats here your Russian Bank statement, and then you can send the money back to where it came from as far as the Russians at the registration organization are concerned. I had to use SWIFT to transfer the money.

                  There are other foreign banks here, though, such as Citibank. Unicredit, which is Italian controlled, operates here, and Raiffeisen of Austria. I think the latter is probably the biggest foreign retail bank operating in Russia now. However, I read only last week that because of the economic situation here, Raiffeisen is reducing its investment in Russia by 20%, which is yet another victory for the EU and O’Bummer against the Empire of Evil, and about which Raiffeisen, I trust,is really, really pleased, for that bank’s running down of its operations here is yet another victory for freedom and democracy.

                • Warren says:

                  I was unaware that HSBC had closed its retail operations in Russia, disappointed to hear that, looks like HSBC isn’t “the world’s local bank after” all.

                  Raiffeisen, the Austrian Bank, Edward Lucas in his book New Cold War and his speeches would always castigate Raiffeisen for facilitating Russian “corruption” – especially as regards Gunvor and the sale of Russian gas to Europe.

                  10) Attack them financially. Raid Raiffeisen Bank, find out who owns Gunvor, RosUkrEnergo. Make all contact with Chekist-run commercial entitities toxic to professional reputations, careers. Without bankers, auditors, lawyers etc they will find life much more difficult.

                  http://edwardlucas.blogspot.co.uk/2008/08/shchto-delat-what-to-do.html

                  TO CONNOISSEURS of financial euphemism, the RosUkrEnergo website is without peer. A company that appears to own no reserves or pipelines made a stonking $785m in the gas business in 2006 (the last year recorded) and more than doubled its assets, from less than $2 billion to more than $4 billion.
                  It would be outrageous to suggest that anything underhand is going on—after all, RosUkrEnergo is audited by blue-chip PricewaterhouseCoopers and is associated with the ultra-respectable Raiffeisen bank. But shareholders in Gazprom may reasonably wonder why their company has outsourced the evidently lucrative business of buying gas cheap in Russia and central Asia, and selling it dearly to Ukraine.

                  http://www.edwardlucas.com/2008/02/14/invisible-gas-business/

                • marknesop says:

                  Yes, and Edward Lucas knows a lot about energy companies, too, you’d better believe. What he actually knows a lot about is Things Edward Lucas Doesn’t Like, and he doesn’t like Russia no matter what it does, while he has a stiffie for the Baltics and Ukraine, who can do no wrong. Perople should listen to Edward Lucas; he’d soon put the world right. Can’t understand why England won’t make this Brit Kreakl at least an adviser to the Prime Minister, if not Prime Minister himself.

                • Jen says:

                  I, uh, had heard that HSBC these days is a by-word for corruption and money-laundering.

          • marknesop says:

            The crash of the banks last time was a result of Russia defaulting on its internal debt, when it was in desperate economic straits, had just taken a large loan and had no reserves. The situation is considerably different now, and the banks are well aware that they cannot just write off people’s savings again, they would not stand for it a second time and Putin is well aware that such action would hurt him as well.

    • marknesop says:

      I wonder if he would be so quick to identify his wife, mother and grandmother and their occupations if he were fighting on the opposite side.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        He’ll be guaranteed a green card though when he decides to flee his adopted country. He’s an English speaker and he’s engaged at the moment in “community policing”, it seems, winning over the hearts and minds of residents in East Ukraine. He’s not serving as a combatant on any front. The last time he did that he fled – to Russia – after having fallen foul of a “terrorist” ambush.

  18. Warren says:

    France Sending Tanks To Poland

    BY LORNE COOK, AP

    France is pledging tanks and armored vehicles to bolster NATO forces in Poland, where leaders are increasingly uneasy about Russia.

    In a joint statement Friday after a meeting between French President Francois Hollande and Polish Prime Minister Eva Kopacz, the two governments also called for a cease-fire in eastern Ukraine, where fighting has intensified between pro-Russia separatists and government troops.
    NATO has no permanent presence in Eastern Europe but since last April members have been cycling forces and military equipment through the region in response to Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

    The French military equipment is expected to remain in Poland for two months.

    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/france-sending-tanks-to-poland

  19. et Al says:

    If I were running the Donetsk city council, I would send an open letter to Mariupol city council rejecting their application to be twinned with Donetsk until such time as the Ukrainian government sees fit to start firing artillery directly in to Mariupol itself.

    Is anyone else stunned by the silence of the Pork Pie News Networks silence about the hyperventilating from the West of any NAF attack on Mariupol being a trigger for further sanctions on Russia yet it is perfectly fine to shell Donetsk continuously? These are some sick puppies and their owners. I guess it is Free Dumb of Speech and the shining example of balance, intelligence and professionalism of PPNN that the rest of the world is begging to follow, except they haven’t yet noticed. /rant

    • james says:

      double standards abound in times of war.. as karl points out down below with the osce and in any announcement from any western outlet, it is mostly all missing info so as to suggest everything is extremely onesided and russia is a monster.. pretty see thru for anyone who has the slightest inclination to ask questions, but alas i am not sure how many do..

  20. ThatJ says:

    Remember the Ukie military chief who said that they are not fighting the Russian army, boldly contradicting the claims by Kiev? He had a change of mind:

    Chief of the General staff, Commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Colonel-General Viktor Muzhenko held a briefing for representatives of the military and diplomatic corps accredited in Ukraine.

    The commander informed the military attachés of the current military-political situation in Ukraine and around its borders, the state and prospects of reforming the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    During the meeting there was accentuated on the documented facts of participation of Russian troops in the conflict in the East of Ukraine.

    “Regarding the participation of Russian troops, today we have documentary evidence, samples of documents containing the facts of participation of the military of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the hostilities fighting on the side of the separatists. These facts really take place and they are documented,” said Colonel-General Viktor Muzhenko.

    http://www.kmu.gov.ua/control/en/publish/article?art_id=247912646&cat_id=244314975

    #Kiev: the 12th #Russian #HumanitarianAid convoy (scheduled on Jan 31st) will be considered as an act of military invasion.

    So how is mighty #NATO going to respond to evil #Russian aggression in #Ukraine? By sending #French tanks. To #Poland. For 2 month training.

    #NAF is fighting at #Popasnaya. If this this city falls, #NAF will quickly progress to #Artemovsk, establishing new pocket N of #Debaltsevo.

  21. Warren says:

  22. Warren says:

    Former CIA Official: US “Russian Spy Bust” Is Phony – It’s Really about Ukraine

    Former CIA and State Department official Larry Johnson says the US is using a technicality to punish Russia for defying west

    http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/30/2970?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

  23. Should Russia finally pull out of OSCE? I don’t know what Russia is doing in that politically motivated organization anymore?

    OSCE condemned the Mariupol strike almost immediately, because they found a way to blame the rebels. But today the Kiev junta killed up to 12 civilians in Donetsk with shelling the center of the city, and the OSCE still remains silent and does not condemn it.

    What does Russia get from a membership of this politically motivated, hypocritical and pro-Western organization?

    • james says:

      good question karl. i don’t know, but perhaps it is wisdom of keeping your enemies close at hand, as opposed to far away..

  24. peter says:

    • Johan Meyer says:

      So someone published something kooky (or was it dubious humor? We don’t know, as it was removed), and the editors finally woke up, and exercised editorial control, by removing the nonsensical content. In other non-news…

      Back in the real world, the western press continues to censor regarding Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, et cetera, when not publishing utterly libellous material (How about falsely assigning blame for the assassination of a sitting president, when the western system sponsors the actual perps? How about censoring the beheading peasants—Srebrenica municipality, or censoring the throwing of grenades into homes—Byumba prefecture?), without retraction and without apology. But you won’t be telling us about that, will you?

      Your purpose is to cast ridicule on those whom you have selected as your opponents, while abetting crimes perpetrated by your favourite authorities and their henchmen through distraction. As to the matter of Litvinenko, it is by now on the level of the Bryce report—perhaps you’d like to tell us of Germans making soap out of Belgians?

      (They didn’t make soap out of Jews either—the fat was needed to burn the corpses, but certain ethnic Germans from Russia were subject to English propaganda as subjects of a British-aligned state, namely the Russian empire, and drew inferences based on the timing of train-delivered goods…)

      • peter says:

        We don’t know, as it was removed

        Here

        • Johan Meyer says:

          So a tasteless ripoff of Israel Bashevis Singer (2nd last story in Gimpel the Fool?). Yay! Given the harping on Ukrainophone minorities in the far west (weak divide and rule attempt to cause disgust among Ukrainians, rather than to actually divide and rule), the implied mockery of Shtetl culture in the piece, and the improbability that even a Russian religious person would write like that (some of it sounds like it was written by a Protestant), I’d say a committee piece with the comittee constituted by Banderites and Anglo contributors. My congratulations on StopFake for finally getting one of their fakes into Russian media.

  25. Warren says:

    Mark please don’t reduce the size of this article its from FT and they have paywall, which means it may not accessible to some.

    Britain must hold Russia’s kleptocratic elite to account

    Anne Applebaum

    Litvinenko’s murder has been treated as a spy story – but it is terrorism, says Anne Applebaum

    Of all of the possibilities presented by the phrase “weapons of mass destruction”, the spectre of a dirty bomb — nuclear materials stuffed into a suitcase and carried into a major city — is one of the most terrifying. Fortunately, none of the world’s major terrorist organisations has yet managed to carry out anything resembling such an attack.

    Only once since Hiroshima is nuclear material definitively known to have been used as a weapon. But contrary to our normal assumptions about what terrorism looks like, the origins of this attack were not in Iran or Pakistan, but in Russia. On November 23 2006, in the civilised surroundings of a Mayfair hotel, three former KGB officers met for tea. One of them, Alexander Litvinenko, ingested a lethal dose of polonium-210. He died of radiation poisoning three weeks later.

    In the eight years that have passed since then, the case has never been convincingly closed. Inquest hearings were delayed for years, then suspended because of a dispute over access to British intelligence material. The main suspects protested their innocence and refused to leave Russia, and the Russian state has refused to extradite them on constitutional grounds. But last summer, after a long campaign by Litvinenko’s widow, the government finally announced it would hold a public inquiry, and this week it began. The notorious intelligence will be presented behind closed doors.

    Some questions posed by the case can be provisionally answered. Why polonium-210? Probably because it was easy to transfer across borders and hard to detect in a human body; the murderers may have believed it could not be traced. But sophisticated equipment can in fact detect polonium and after Litvinenko was poisoned, traces were found in the restaurant, his teacup and the places visited by the men with whom he met. The substance was even found on the aeroplanes used by the pair — Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun, who are the two main suspects — to fly from Moscow to London.

    Other questions are more difficult. What was the motive? The lawyer for the victim’s widow has told the inquiry that Litvinenko was, at the time of his death, helping Spanish police investigate Russian organised crime groups in Spain with links to the Kremlin. According to a US embassy cable leaked in 2010, Spanish police already agreed with Litvinenko that Russian security services controlled organised crime in Russia. But Litvenenko was also working with MI6 and with Boris Berezovsky, the Russian oligarch who had fallen out with the Russian president. Inside the Russian security services, multiple people might have been interested in organising his assassination.

    And why did this Russian murder take place in London? That is where the story becomes particularly interesting. Litvinenko fled to London after falling out with his former employer, the Russian security services, for the same reason so many Russians, pro-Putin or anti-Putin, super-wealthy or not, come to the UK: because they think the British legal system will protect them. Wealthy Russians also think of London as a place where blind eyes are turned, dodgy backgrounds are ignored and offshore accounts are easy to arrange.

    City regulators may protest at this caricature, but an example of the sort of thing that is tolerated in London emerged recently in Ukraine. Among the papers discovered at the monstrously tasteless country residence of the corrupt ex-president Viktor Yanukovich were documents showing that he owned one of his massive estates via a British shell company. The Ukrainian president also owned three more palaces and a coal company through another British company. Theoretically, this should not have been possible: any UK entity doing any business with a politically exposed person should have done background checks to ensure that any money involved was not tainted by suspicions of corruption.

    One can argue that a similar nonchalance has been applied to the Litvinenko murder case. Imagine if al-Qaeda had used nuclear material in London: there would be public demand for trials, outraged reporting, angry MPs. Whatever intelligence material had been available would surely have been promptly deployed. But although a British-Russian diplomatic spat and an argument about extradition followed Litvinenko’s murder, the British-Russian financial relationship — the one the Russians really care about — continued as usual. The case has been treated as a spy story, not an act of terrorism.

    But the men who brought polonium to London were both ruthless and reckless. They took radioactive poison on an aeroplane and walked around London with it. The autopsy of Litvinenko’s irradiated body is reckoned to be one of the most dangerous ever undertaken. And if Mr Kovtun and Mr Lugovoi had access to radioactive material and were willing to use it, then others in Russia might too.

    Why then is this inquiry happening only now, following the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Although the British government denies that the timing has anything to do with politics, the perception will unfortunately be otherwise. Mr Lugovoi has already told a Moscow radio station that the inquiry is happening because “the Americans, the British and all the enemies of our state are trying to find ways to accuse our citizens of monstrosities and demonism to present Russia in a bad light”. In truth, the real British attitude to the London Russians is almost a form of snobbery: these people are not like us, so they do not have to be held to our standards, to our laws — and anyway, they were only stealing from their own state, or killing one another.

    If we are serious about halting the growth of a Russian regime which is not only corrupt but also dangerous, posing a security threat to London as well as the rest of Europe, the best thing we can do is change this attitude. We should enforce our own laws, not only pursuing any alleged murder and treating Russian criminal cases with the seriousness they deserve, but closing the loopholes and ending the accounting tricks that have helped enrich a kleptocratic elite.

    The writer is director of the Transitions Forum at the Legatum Institute

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/94b50dfa-a70c-11e4-8a71-00144feab7de.html#axzz3QKpU0tYj

    • Jen says:

      ” … Some questions posed by the case can be provisionally answered. Why polonium-210? Probably because it was easy to transfer across borders and hard to detect in a human body; the murderers may have believed it could not be traced. But sophisticated equipment can in fact detect polonium and after Litvinenko was poisoned, traces were found in the restaurant, his teacup and the places visited by the men with whom he met. The substance was even found on the aeroplanes used by the pair — Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun, who are the two main suspects — to fly from Moscow to London …”

      It’s just occurred to me: how can the investigators be confident that polonium 210 was indeed found only on planes used by Lugovoi and Kovtun to fly FROM Moscow TO London? Have any inquiries into Litvinenko’s death been able to rule out confidently that the two were not themselves contaminated with polonium 210 BY Litvinenko when they met him and the planes on which polonium 210 was found flew the pair TO Moscow FROM London? By the time police realised that Litvinenko had been poisoned with polonium 210, how many times had the planes already passed between London and Moscow after Lugovoi and Kovtun used them to visit Litvinenko?

    • marknesop says:

      Anne Applebaum is an idiot, and the only nation known to have actually made a “suitcase nuke” is – unsurprisingly – the United States of America. Annie has been diddling herself to Jack Bauer again. U.S. officials admit they have never actually seen a Soviet designed suitcase bomb. They just assume they have it because the United States does. Which, not to put too fine a point on it, suggests the USA believes the Soviets were capable of engineering anything the USA could carry from imagination to production, without U.S. help.

      • Warren says:

        The suitcase nuke is the Loch Ness monster of terrorism. I remember watching a documentary on Soviet Spies, a KGB defector interviewed said the USSR had hundreds of suit case nukes, placing them in US cities to be detonated when hostilities breakout.

        Suit case nukes like AG John Ashcroft’s “dirty bomb” are figments of Atlanticists hyperactive imaginations.

  26. et Al says:

    Neuters: Exclusive – Russia’s Rosneft will not resume drilling in Kara Sea in 2015: sources
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/01/30/uk-russia-crisis-rosneft-arctic-exclusiv-idUKKBN0L31CV20150130
    Russian state-controlled oil company Rosneft (ROSN.MM) will not be able to resume drilling in the Kara Sea this year after Western sanctions halted its cooperation with ExxonMobil (XOM.N) in a major setback for Moscow’s energy ambitions, two company sources said….

    …In September, Rosneft announced it had found oil in the Kara Sea after drilling with Exxon at the Universitetskaya-1 well, the most northerly in the world. Oil resources in the Kara Sea are estimated to be comparable to those of Saudi Arabia.

    The company was due to restart drilling this year but Exxon was forced to stop cooperation after the West imposed sanctions on Russia over its actions in the Ukraine crisis.

    “There will be no drilling in 2015. There is no platform and it is too late to get one. The project was initially created for Exxon’s platform,” a Rosneft source said.

    The second source confirmed this.

    Asked for comment, Rosneft said: “In 2015, Rosneft will ensure implementation of its licence obligations related to geological exploration in the Kara Sea.” …

    ..”Usually, it takes 8-10 years from the first well to the first oil on the offshore but here you have such a difficult situation,” the source said…

    …The rig returned to Norway in mid-October after completing the well in the Kara Sea in late September. The rig is on contract with Exxon until July 2016. …

    …”We expect to decide on the platform by April-May and will launch the tender soon. The choice is obvious — there are a lot of platforms in the East, in China or South Korea, maybe from North Atlantic Drilling, maybe from Lukoil (LKOH.MM) in the Baltics,” he said.

    “There are a lot of platforms and this is not a problem even if it is not an ice-proof — it can always be upgraded … After oil prices have fallen it is two-times cheaper to lease platforms and supply vessels.”…”
    ####

    There’s a lot of cutting-edge western tech for oil and gas exploration that Russian oil majors have invested in these last few years that they now can’t get hold of. Here’s the links I posted before again. In Business is a great programme and I heartily recommend it to anyone who is interested in how business works around the world.

    Al Beeb s’Allah GONAD (God’s Own News Agency Direct):
    How sanctions against Russia are hitting UK businesses
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30209319

    & In Business (BBC Radio programme):
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04stlw4

    • marknesop says:

      They just said it was not possible to get another platform in time – not that it was impossible to get one. I hope they shut the Americans out of the Arctic altogether, or at least such areas that are under exclusively Russian control. The USA pretends to be surprised that Russia is having economic difficulties, and attributes it to low oil prices and Russian idiocy, when in reality it is trying its best to destroy the Russian economy, and with it, Russia itself. It can, however, kiss Russian colour revolutions goodbye for a generation at least, because the people know very well who is responsible for their troubles. No liberal crusader advertising himself as the agent of American good times is going to get a look in.

      Anything the Americans can make, the Chinese and the Russians can make. An unavailability of specialized oil-drilling equipment is not going to stop Russia, and in fact there is little advantage to spending money on producing more oil when Saudi Arabia is flooding the market with cheap oil. They have time to work on their own exploration equipment, and should be working on cutting Americans out of such sites as Russia controls anyway. It may have come to the notice of some that America does not make a very good partner.

  27. peter says:

    • kirill says:

      Every fucking western degenerate is obsessed with this lying fuck Litvinenko and could care less about thousands of people being slaughtered by the NATO bootlick regime in Kiev.

      Wave this “moral card” over your dick fuckass.

    • Jen says:

      If the sensational testimony includes mind-blowing facts like the Metropolitan Police using 3D modelling and spies meeting in bookshops, then there’s not much that wouldn’t blow Tintin far into orbit around a star 20 million light-years away.

    • marknesop says:

      I knew I’d be sorry for looking at that. And I was right.

  28. peter says:

  29. peter says:

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Well go on then, Peter: write and tell us what your prognosis is. Have you got one? I don’t mean browsing your favourite sources and cutting and pasting: I mean from your head, your actual thoughts, written down and explained. Could you do that? It would be far more interesting than looking at Tweets. A few paragraphs would suffice.

  30. yalensis says:

    Here are 2 interesting vids that I saw posted on military photos.
    The first is right-in-the-battle coverage with Life News correspondent, battle of Uglegorsk.
    There are English subtitles:

    The second vid is quite interesting, it is an interview with Zakharchenko.
    That dude is a real man!
    Watch what happens at 1:05. Soldiers become alert as sniper is spotted. A shot rings out. Zakharchenko doesn’t even flinch, and calmly continues the interview.

    One of the commenters on military photos compared Zakharchenko’s physical courage with Saakashvili, who showed his physical cowardice (in 2008), under similar circumstances.

    • kat kan says:

      Zakh’s been under fire, he commanded a unit at Slaviansk. Before that I don’t know, but he DID own an AK (and a box of bullets, 2 grenades and a hunting rifle) before all this started.

    • Jen says:

      And as we already know, Stephen Harper needs a broom cupboard when he demonstrates coolness under fire.

      • Ilya says:

        Being in any closet seems to be a natural fit for Stevie; hence, his affected religiosity, his pet cat Stanley, and his preternatural zeal for bottoming for Uncle Sam.

  31. ThatJ says:

    Why Russia should Invade Ukraine

    It’s a big leap for a writer in the West to advocate Russian military action in the Ukrainian republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. A stretch for sure. But, there is a sound case for it.

    First is the nature of the warfare being conducted in the two republics. It started as a low level, small unit-type internal insurrection. However, after the Ukraine army was unable to take Slavyansk with this type of action, it switched to larger and larger caliber weapons – including aircraft and helicopter gunships. To make a long story short, the Ukraine army drove the separatist forces almost to the Russian border before they were defeated and forced to retreat to the approximate lines that they occupy today.

    The problem with the Ukraine war is that it is essentially World War II type warfare without the air power. That essentially makes it like World War I warfare. A battle of attrition. Massive artillery replacing air power. Massive destruction and civilian casualties. Long bloody battles for meters that often get overturned by pointless counter attacks. No decisive battles or maneuvering. Just one layer of defence after another eating men and machines. A gristly affair that has no end other than internal political revolt or foreign intervention. It’s the latter I suggest is necessary

    Full text: http://rocksolidpolitics.blogspot.com/2015/01/why-russia-should-invade-ukraine.html

    • PaulR says:

      Having opposed Western military ‘humanitarian interventions’ in the past, I could not logically support one by Russia. However, by the same logic, I don’t see what arguments our Western humanitarian warriors could use to oppose something which fits with the principles they have been putting forward these past few years. If it is ok to intervene for humanitarian reasons in Kosovo, then surely it is in the far worse conditions of Ukraine. Or so I argue here: https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/r2p-in-ukraine/

    • Moscow Exile says:

      A sponsor for terrorism and with whom the Yukie “government” is still negotiating as regards the purchase of coal. The Russian government is still subsidizing that fictive state on its south western frontier.

  32. et al says:

    Oh what a surprise!

    The Independent: CIA did use United Kingdom territory for secret terror interrogations, says top US official
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-did-use-united-kingdom-territory-for-secret-terror-interrogations-says-top-us-official-10014868.html
    Official confirms that suspects were quizzed at base on Diego Garcia and says British ‘must have known’ what happened to passengers on rendition flights…

    …Lawrence Wilkerson, who was the chief aide to former US Secretary of State Colin Powell, said the remote UK-administered military base in the Indian Ocean was used as a back-up location for “nefarious activities”, such as the questioning of prisoners in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, for weeks at a time…

    …In an interview with the Vice News website, Mr Wilkerson said that Diego Garcia did not host a permanent CIA prison but was used as a back-up location to conduct interrogations and it was “difficult” to believe they could have taken place without the knowledge of the British authorities.

    He said: “What I heard was more along the lines of using it as a transit location when perhaps other places were full or other places were deemed too dangerous or insecure, or unavailable at the moment.

    “So you might have a case where you simply go in and use a facility at Diego Garcia for a month or two weeks or whatever and you do your nefarious activities there. No one has indicated there was a detention site there, not in so many words. What they indicated is that interrogations took place there.”…

    I guess the special relationship is all one way?

    The one thing you have to know about the British government is that they are congenital liars, particularly on any sensitive issue. They are far worse than the US.

    Every year, they release secret government papers to public exposure after 30 years (and others after much longer periods if at all). I’ll give you an easy example of how, even now, the British government hides its roles in global affairs, in particular Israel’s nuclear weapons program.

    Under currently released government documents, the British government has absolutely no idea how excess heavy water from the British nuclear weapons program in the 1950s ended up in Israel. The story is that an Israeli front company based in Norway bought it.

    But here are the indisputable facts. In the 1950s the Middle East was still considered the remit of France and the UK. France provided Israel the Dimona plutonium producing nuclear reactor based in the Negev, but no fuel. And the, as if by magic, in the depths of the paranoia of the Cold War, the British government sold tons of heavy water to a simply Israeli front company. Nuclear reactor+fuel=nuclear weapons. No one will state categorically that the British of simply lying about this as they would then be in serious trouble, but that is the obvious conclusion of both British and French government actions.

    This is true in other cases. Germany and Austria may have been at the forefront of breaking up the former Yugoslavia, but the British provided tactical communications equipment to the Slovene Territorial Defense despite the tensions. Ask anyone alive in the government at the time today and they will tell you with a straight face that “there was nothing unusual with the request”. Despite the timing, the fact that military exports have to be vetted and checked and it is clear that it is a total lie.

    The point is, the UK is built on ‘Rule of Law’, but if the official papers simply do not exist or have never seen the light of day, you can forget about a victory before the courts, much like their libel laws. Talk about masters of the Dark Arts.

    This brings us back to the main story above. Aeronerds have been logging the ins and outs of all aircraft for years, and since the Internet have been sharing them with each other. Once it was known that the UK had been involved in the US’ renditions, they only needed to look for aircraft who were not from airlines or long established companies that didn’t have ties with the CIA – grey business jets with no markings and only a registration number. For the UK where Prestwick in west Scotland was regularly used as a stop off for CIA renditions before continuing an onward leg elsewhere, it wasn’t difficult to look it up. You don’t get aeronerds at Diego Garcia, but if it happened in the UK, then it takes no great stretch of logic to reasonably assume it has happened elsewhere. Guam for sure and probably some of those remote islands in the Pacific not far from Japan. But here, the US yet again drops the UK in the shit. Special relationship? No one is responsible.

    • ThatJ says:

      NATO Scouts Out Sites For Training Center In Georgia

      A senior NATO official is scouting out prospective sites for a joint training center the alliance plans to establish in Georgia.

      January 30 is the final day of NATO Deputy Secretary-General Alexander Vershbow’s visit to the South Caucasus nation whose NATO aspirations were a chief cause of its five-day war with Russia in 2008.

      Full text: http://www.rferl.org/content/georgia-nato/26821249.html

  33. ThatJ says:

    Breaking news:

    13,5 MILLION books? That’s an awful loss! Would it be the equivalent of the Harvard library burning down in the US? I doubt they can be replaced quickly. The education in this university is toast for the foreseeable future. I smell sabotage.

    • kirill says:

      Sabotage. Even it is deemed some electrical fault, those can be arranged. I hope the perps are found and shot.

      • kat kan says:

        They had a huge fire in 1988. Odd there should be a youtube of a fire now and nothing in the news about it.

      • colliemum says:

        That’s too fast a death for them.
        I’m feeling very vicious and vindictive towards the perps (if there were perps), and towards those who obviously didn’t care enough to implement proper fire prevention procedures.
        A slow, gruesome method of death is required.

        • ThatJ says:

          Besides the fire prevention mechanism that could have saved the books (we still have no info about the loss), there should exist by now special bookcases that are fire-resistant.

          • Jen says:

            Fire-proof book storage for library collections does exist and for valuable and rare items there is also the possibility of scanning and digitally storing images of their pages for use by researchers to reduce handling. So hopefully most of the items that were lost have already been scanned and any valuable information the scans contain can survive in digital form, to be the master material for new book versions.

    • colliemum says:

      That is truly horrific.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Why is everyone thinking that foul play was involved?

      On RT, the news of this cultural disaster abounds with comments made by russophobes, e.g. “The truth will still prevail in the end. They can burn anything they like, destroy all physical proof of history and the truth. But truth still remains. All will be revealed soon” and “I hope whole [sic] russia [sic] burns to the ground for all I care. Atleast some ukrainian [sic] lives would be spared by that”.

      Accidents do happen.

      • kat kan says:

        What starts a fire late at night? what building full of valuable inflammable materials does not have sprinklers or other fire suppression? how does said suppression fail to work?

        It wasn’t a nightclub full of drunks all smoking, or with a pyrotechnics. act on stage.

        Actually very tightly stacked damp paper will auto combust. I have twice seen huge rolls of wet newsprint spontaneously burn. In one case the danger was known and the wet rolls (after a cyclone removed the roof over them) were stacked out in an empty field. In the other case, they got wet from a small roof leak, and ended up burning down the entire store, some 200 rolls. The fire is caused by increased temperatures from friction as the damp paper tries to expand. (A similar process causes commercial laundry fires in cotton items stacked while still steamy from the dryers).

        • Moscow Exile says:

          What starts a fire late at night? In Russia? In the middle of winter?

          In my experience, the cause of such a fire is often a drunkard who, lounging in the middle of the night in an armchair or on a divan, falls into a drunken stupor with a lit cigarette in his hand.

          Fire sprinklers not working? Poor maintenance – last checked who knows when. Lots of things come together: incompetence, negligence, stupidity, lack of responsibility …

          Russia has not cornered the market in such matters.

          I remember how, about 3 or 4 years ago, there was a huge gas explosion not far from Moscow at one of those natural gas booster stations or whatever. Anyway, it was duly reported in the Moscow Times and a swathe of trolls duly started gleefully mocking Russia and Russians and their total incompetence. And notwithstanding the loss of life that resulted from the explosion, one troll even wrote that it was always good to read about explosions and deaths in Russia. The troll was almost certainly a US citizen – he was a frequent commenter to MT.

          Anyway, about a week later there was reported in the Western MSM news of a huge explosion at chemical plant and a great loss of life as a result of it.

          The explosion happened in Texas, if I remember rightly – or perhaps it was in Oklahoma.

          Somehow, as regards that chemical plant explosion, I don’t think there were any comments made in the US press by Russian citizens, stating that they were always gladdened by news of explosions and deaths in the USA.

  34. Terje says:

    Jan. 26, 2015 Dempsey Sponsors Essay Competition to Honor Saudi King
    http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128034
    The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has established a research and essay competition in honor of Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah Bin Abdul-Aziz hosted by the National Defense University.
    Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey said the essay competition is a fitting tribute to the life and leadership of the Saudi Arabian monarch.
    ‘A Man of Remarkable Character and Courage’
    Dempsey first met Abdullah in 2001, when he was a brigadier general serving as the U.S. advisor to the Saudi Arabian National Guard. “In my job to train and advise his military forces, and in our relationship since, I found the king to be a man of remarkable character and courage,” Dempsey said.

  35. ThatJ says:

    Kerry insisted on the suspension of the IMF loan to Ukraine
    30/01/2015

    US Secretary of State John Kerry urged the International Monetary Fund to suspend consideration of the issuance of a new loan to Kiev, as donors are disappointed with the progress of reforms in Ukraine.

    “The mission continues its work, there is a coordination reform roadmap for four years. This is a new program designed for the medium term. Therefore, the time it takes more elaborate “, – explained the Ukrainian edition of “Vesti” the head of the Department of Treasury debt Galina Pahachuk.

    http://lentachpost2015.ru/smi-kerri-nastoyal-na-priostanovke-vydeleniya-ukraine-kredita-mvf/

    http://twitter.com/ArmedResearch/status/561317757435002880

  36. ThatJ says:

    Good video of the Russian army by the YouTube user “Deutschland+Russland”

    • Moscow Exile says:

      It says on the clip at the beginning:

      We’re having no NEW WORLD ORDER

      Some comments from below the clip:

      Es soll hier keine Kriegsverherrlichung sein. Die Obersten der USA sollen nur sehen, dass sie sich mit dem falschen Land anlegen. Und die Waffen werden sich letzten Endes gegen sie richten, nicht gegen die Völker, die sie zum Krieg aufstacheln.

      Alle Hochachtung an Putin: Er ist ein gerechter Mann, der sich nicht vom Geld hat vergiften lassen. Und damit hat er sich zur Zielscheibe für das Geldsystem und die Neue Weltordnung gemacht. Wir wollen keine Neue Weltordnung. Wir wollen frei von diesem korrupten System sein! Die USA haben nicht das Recht sich als Weltherrscher darzubieten!

      There shall be no glorification of war here. Those in command in the USA should only see that they are dealing with the wrong country. And the weapons will eventually be turned against those who incite war, and not against the people.

      All respect to Putin: He is a righteous man who has not been poisoned by money. And because of this, he has been targeted by the monetary system and the New World Order. We do not want a New World Order. We want to be free of this corrupt system! The US has no right to present itself as ruler of the world!

      Russland kann nichts weiter machen als Zeit vor dem letzten großen Krieg zu schinden und darauf hoffen das wir Deutschen / Europäer uns endlich erheben zu dieser Zeit sind wir Patrioten gefragt wir müssen die Germania wieder erwecken und das USA Imperium stoppen

      USA raus aus Deutschland und Europa!!!!!

      Russia can do nothing more than it did before the last great war: stalling and hoping that Germans / Europeans will finally arise this time and ask themselves whether they are patriots. We must awake Germany and put a stop to the USA.

      USA out of Germany and Europe !!!!!

      Der Angriff auf Russland wird nicht militärisch erfolgen und wenn es doch in Gewalt ausarten sollte, dann wird das durch Bürgerkrieg von Nato-finanzierten russischen Gruppen und US-Unterstützten Minderheiten geschehen.

      Die wollen nur so nah an Russland ran wie möglich, um dann nach bewährter Manier, die Gruppen von ausserhalb versorgen und bewaffnen zu können.

      Russland müsste klar und deutlich machen, dass es Atomwaffen gegen London, Washington und Tel Aviv einsetzt, wenn der von außen gesteuerte Umsturz beginnt, nichts anderes wird das Imperium von dem Versuch abhalten.

      Und dieselben tollen Waffen, die wir hier sehen, werden sonst von den gekauften Landesverrätern gegen die eigene Bevölkerung eingesetzt werden.

      Bei uns hat gerade die Medienkampagne für die nächste Nato-Offensive gegen Assad in Syrien begonnen – gestern war vom Syrischen Atomwaffenprogramm zu lesen – heute berichtet man von 2100 durch Assad zu Tode gefolterten Menschen – laut US-NGO.

      Der Feind wird wie in der Vergangenheit keines seiner Versprechen halten und die abenteuerlichste Propaganda auch gegen Russland erfinden, wenn die Russen nicht bereit sind, sich atomar zu verteidigen.

      The attack on Russia will not be a military one, and even if it should degenerate into one of violence, then this will only be done by means of civil war using NATO-funded Russian groups and US-supported minorities.

      They just want to get as close to Russia as possible, and then, in their well tried fashion, to supply and arm groups from outside.

      Russia should make it absolutely clear that it will use nuclear weapons against London, Washington and Tel Aviv if a revolution controlled from abroad begins: nothing else will hold back the attempts of the Empire to do this.

      Otherwise those same awesome weapons about which we talk will be used by bought people against their own countrymen.

      They have just begun here the media campaign for the next NATO offensive against Assad in Syria – yesterday you could read about the Syrian nuclear weapons programme – and now they are talking about the 2,100 people, whom, according to the US NGOs, Assad has tortured to death.

      As in the past, the enemy will keep none of its promises and invent the most adventurous propaganda against Russia if the Russians are not willing to defend themselves with nuclear weapons.

  37. ThatJ says:

    MP of Poroshenko’s Rada faction blames the Donbass war on Turchinov & Yatsenuk

    http://tvi.ua/program/2015/01/29/studiya_tvi_pro_sytuaciyu_v_zoni_ato

    Can someone translate it? Is Porky waking up to Washington’s plot, where he’s merely a temporary figure, a lamb to be sacrificed? Why would a MP of his party blame the opposition for the war? Porky controls a huge chunk of the Ukrainian media, doesn’t he? He could do the following: gather the people loyal to you and put them in position of authority throughout the country, blame the war on Yats and Turchita, and call a new election.

  38. colliemum says:

    I have news for you.
    That horrendous fire in the library? It didn’t happen.
    None of the British MSM have it, and a quick look at google news shows that it’s not happened for the EU MSM.
    As you ought to have learned by now: if it’s not on Al Beeb, it hasn’t happened.
    That’s all.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Comment at RT:

      Russipigs will cry! Look at the bright side less books and more vodka! Lol

      this is a price 4 being dumb & drunk russipigs

      The commenter appears to be illiterate.

      One says “fewer books”. And it should be “the price” and “drunken russipigs”. The punctuation needs some attention as well.

      🙂

      • colliemum says:

        Aww – they’re only being creative with grammar and wording, having been taught that that’s what counts. Following rulz is soo last Tuesday!
        /sarc

  39. Moscow Exile says:

    That bloody finger pointing I was on about!

    From a Sputnik article:Hillary Clinton’s Putin Impression Sounds More Like Bill Clinton

    And here’s Barack Hussein Obama speaking in the not so secular state of the USA:

    So next time he decides to spend some quiet moments in prayer and reflection, perhaps he should consider this (WARNING!):

    Have a nice day, Barry, and God bless America!

    (All Putin’s fault, of course.)

    • Moscow Exile says:

      I had never heard that expression “seder table” in my life before I saw that Obama video (above) about half an hour ago.

      Are United States citizens really so au fait with Jewish ritual that the US president can use such a term in a public address without fear of creating incomprehension amongst his fellow countrymen?

      Bear in mind, I had never heard the term Bar Mitzvah before it started cropping up in US situation comedies transmitted on British TV some 50 years ago, when I was in my teens, and then I had to look it up in the public library (no Internet then, of course).

  40. yalensis says:

    Hello, this comment is directed to James and Spartacus, and is a continuation of the “How to debate a Nazi” thread form above. (which thread got too narrow).

    James, I second Spartacus, that your discussion of debating techniques and rhetoric is highly educational. I personally believe that rhetoric and debating, along with Aristotelian logic, should be compulsory for all school children, perhaps starting around the age of 13 or 14. You only have to look at commentary on the blogosphere, to realize that nobody possesses those ancient skills any more.

    Having said that…

    (1.)
    James, I think, once again, you are mistaken in your supposition that fallacious arguments were brought against Mr. ThatJ.
    The most powerful debating point that ThatJ could have used against me, in the course of our debate, is the “straw man” defense. When I called ThatJ a “Nazi”, I swear to god I was simply being matter of fact about labelling him, if perhaps a tad blunt. You have to try to put yourself in my shoes and try to understand, that when people (like myself) go through life holding political views that are outside the mainstream (in my case, Marxism/socialism), then we get used to throwing labels around, it’s like a slangy shortcut way we have of talking to each other and figuring out who is who, and what they believe. People who are not “ideological” may not understand this process of labelling people according to their ideological affiliations.

    To proceed with my point:
    At any time, in any of his comments, ThatJ could have said to me, “No, I do not consider myself politically to be a Nazi”, or: “No, when I said that Jews were trying to enslave the white race I was NOT referring to all Jews, just a small clique of Zionist lobbyists.”

    But he never did that. He never employed the “straw man” in his own defense.
    “Tacitus consensus importat.”
    (Silence implies consent. )

    (2.)
    I also want to make a brief philosophical point about the whole “ad duckinem” issue.
    I think this is quite fascinating, and if I didn’t know better, I would suspect that somebody was conducting a social experiment on Mark’s blog – remember those experiments where people are asked to electrocute their friends in the cause of science, and they go along with it, even though their friends behind the wall are screaming in agony, because the experimenter ordered them to keep giving the shocks? Anyhow, for quite a long time people on Mark’s blog, and other blogs, have been intensely discussing the whole Ukrainian issue, how the Banderites were Nazi helpers, etc., how the NATO powers are basically supporting a gang of Nazis in the Ukrainian junta, and how Western governments keep turning a blind eye to the Bandera torchlight parades – “Just keep movin’ along, nothin’ happening here…” People like Jen Psaki being duplicitous and denying that Nazis are, in fact, Nazis. Most of the Russophile commenters were able to see right through that B.S.

    What I am trying to say, James, is that the commenters correctly used the “ad duckinem” argument when it came to Right Sektor torchlight parade types in Ukraine (“Yep, it smells like a duck!”), but by the same token, they could have employed YOUR high standards of rhetoric to argue against that, in the manner of Psaki and Harf: “No, it has not been proved conclusively, that these people either support Bandera, or follow the principles of Nazi doctrine….”

    In conclusion:
    I think the bottom line is, that the vast majority of human beings are decent people, who don’t wish to harm anyone, and just want to get along. When somebody arrives in their community who has somewhat outré views, they are usually willing to “live and let live”, and give that person the benefit of the doubt. A lot of people were willing to give ThatJ the benefit of the doubt and just assume that he is not a Nazi, and that he doesn’t actually mean some of the things that he says…
    For the sake of social harmony on the blog.
    And then I disrupted that harmony.
    What a rotten bomb-throwing no-goodnik I am!

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Ясно, шпион Борис – жид!

      🙂

    • james@wpc says:

      Hi Yalensis,
      With the introduction of the so-called “Prussian Education System” critical thinking skills were progressively removed from the US education system (as in Germany before that) starting in the North East of the US in the early 20th century.
      The three skills, grammar, logic and rhetoric were taught as a system and it was (is) known as “The Trivium”. Jan Irvin has a number of podcast interviews on this subject here.

      A Classical Education consisted of the Trivium plus the Quadrivium which focused on mathematics in four subjects – Arithmetic (maths in number), Geometry (maths in space), Music (maths in time) and Astronomy (maths in space and time).

      There are schools popping up in the US that specialise in the Trivium if not the Quadrivium as well. The whole purpose is to teach kids how to learn so they can educate themselves for the rest of their lives. The regular education system teaches areas of knowledge but not how to learn itself. With critical thinking skills, you can learn almost anything. This does not suit some people, of course!

      These schools have found that it is best to teach the rules of grammar to primary school age children when they are sponges for information and learn by rote easily. 12 to 14 years that you mention is a good time to introduce logic because this is the age that kids start to seriously think and argue for themselves. 15 to 17 is a good age to introduce rhetoric because social awareness is beginning to bloom and the ability to express themselves, their individuality, to convey ideas and persuade others is appealing to this age group.

      “Tacitus consensus importat.”
      (Silence implies consent. )

      This is a legal maxim and is useful only in the legal world which really is a a world of its own. In a social context, I think it would be wise to put the question first and then if you get no reply, you can say that you will take it then that silence means consent or agreement. The other party has been put on notice and if they still remain silent then it can reasonably be taken to imply agreement. But always, put the question! It is much harder for someone to contest it later that way. That’s my view and reasoning, anyway.

      In the case of the Banderites and Psaki and Harf, I’d go with the “ad duckinem”, too! Psaki and the western press are in obvious denial regarding the overwhelming evidence of Nazi/fascist/psychopathic (call it what you will) behaviour. Never mind the extreme hypocrisy. Psaki and Harf are basically saying, “Who are you going to believe? Us or your own lying eyes?”!

      I agree that the bulk of people are basically peace loving. But I also believe that these people have largely fallen victim to many a psychopathic paradigm, such as “might is right” and unquestioning obedience to authority, that has been foisted on them from an early age by our culture starting with early education. There are a lot of false ideas to overcome. It is much more complex than simply presenting the truth. We need to start with ourselves and examine our own thoughts and beliefs and question are they true and consistent?

      • yalensis says:

        Dear James:
        I agree with you that the classical education should be re-introduced.
        I hadn’t heard of this “Trivium” method, but it sounds really good. Such an education might serve to slow down the creep of the “Idiocracy” in modern society.
        The only reason I even know logic myself, is because I studied computer science. So, in order to learn about wiring up computers, you have to master Boolean logic, which is a subset of Aristotelian logic, in general. If it weren’t for computer science curriculum, I never would have been exposed to logic. And I actually had a very good education, by modern standards!

        Since we are redesigning the curriculum, might as well throw classical Latin and Greek in there too. At least for American education system, because it would be good thing for speakers of a “synthetic” language like English to learn at least one inflected language too. Russians kids already speak an inflected language, so maybe they should be required to learn English. Or Chinese. But Latin is still a good choice for everybody, as it opens up the classical repertoire.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          English is an “analytic language”: Russian is “synthetic” in that it adds suffixes and prefixes and infixes to verbs and case endings to nouns in order to “synthesize” new meanings, whereas “analytic” languages have their sentence meaning largely determined by the position of words in them and prepositions and auxiliary verbs.

          Synthetic Russian:

          noun root раб, whence the imperfective verb работать – “to work”, whence the perfective verb заработать – “to earn”, whence the imperfective verb зарабатывать– also “to earn” but looked at as a process.

          само = self

          равнять = to level (perfective verb – complete action)

          равнивать = to level (imperfective verb – process, not completed)

          выравнивать = to level out (imperfective bverb)

          выравниваться = to level itself out (imperfective and passive meanin)

          выравнивающийся = levelling itself out (present active participle – masculine nominative singular ending)

          camoвыравнивающийся = self levelling (present active participle – masculine nominative ending)

          смесь = mixture as in “cement mixture” (feminine noun, nominative singular)

          camoвыравнивающаяся = self-levelling (present active participle – feminine nominative singular ending)

          самовыравнивающаяся смесь= self-levelling (cement) mixture

          [samovyravnivayushchayasya smyes]

          Piece of piss is Russian, isn’t it?

          🙂

  41. yalensis says:

    Okay, here is some more Nazi stuff. One thing this debate did for me, is get me interested in this whole “white nationalism” movement. Apparently this movement is still pretty active in the U.S.
    I questioned ThatJ a few times on how exactly he defines the “white race”, is there a specific DNA test, etc etc., but he wouldn’t answer that question forthrightly. According to the material I just researched, they define “white Americans” as, basically, WASP’s from the Ice Age. They don’t include Mexicans, other Latinos, Asians or (it goes without saying) African-Americans. (Or Jews, it also goes without saying, because they are not WASP’s either.)

    Anyhow, for starters, I introduce everybody to William Luther Pierce , whom ThatJ indicated (in an earlier comment) was an ideological inspiration to him; but then, in a more recent comment, ThatJ started backtracking on that (ducking and diving, shucking and jiving). Caveat: I don’t believe everything I read in wiki, but unfortunately it’s the only source I can find any info about these folks:

    William Pierce himself started off in the John Birch Society, but they weren’t radical enough for him, since they didn’t “criticize” Jews. So he went on to join the American Nazi Party.

    It was during this time at Oregon State when Pierce began to notice two social movements on campus that disturbed him: the civil rights and the Vietnam anti-war movements. Pierce saw the Jewish-fueled civil rights movement as a threat to the white race. Also, he believed the anti-war movement to be communist-inspired and led primarily by Jews. He had a brief membership in the John Birch Society in 1962 but eventually resigned because they weren’t critical of Jews.

    In 1966 he became an associate of George Lincoln Rockwell, leader of the American Nazi Party. During this time he left his research position with Pratt and Whitney and went to work for Rockwell without pay. Pierce soon founded and became the editor of the party’s ideological journal, National Socialist World. When Rockwell was assassinated in 1967, Pierce continued to work with the group–this time officially becoming a member and Ideological Officer–which by then was renamed the National Socialist White People’s Party (NSWPP).

    In 1968 Pierce received national attention by becoming a Virginia arms dealer creating NS Arms. The venture sold “Negro control equipment” consisting of riot guns, handguns, semi-automatic rifles and chemical mace. Pierce advertised and used NSWPP literature with the warning “Beat the Ban. Stock you home NOW–with weapons for the coming race war!”[4]

    And here is what metapedia has to say about the white nationalist movement , and it reads like this essay was written by people sympathetic to their views, so is not a hatchet-job:

    White nationalism is an American ‘white Pan-European’ organic political movement, which advocates people of ethnic European heritage coming together in a united political bloc to lobby for their collective group interests.

    Prominent figures and ideological leaders of this movement are listed as:
    Bob Whitaker
    Don Black
    David Duke
    Paul Fromm
    Robert Jay Mathews
    Revilo P. Oliver
    William Luther Pierce
    Frank Roman
    Jared Taylor
    Don Wassall

    Given that (1) William Luther Pierce can most definitely be ID’ed as a Nazi; and that (2) all political movements and ideologies occur on a continuous spectrum, let’s say from left to right, then:

    I believe it would be a fair assumption to state that there is, at the very least, some OVERLAP between the “white nationalist” movement and the American Nazi Party.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      Well, that rules me out because I am not a Protestant Christian, and, needless to say, my three blue-eyed, blond, Anglo-Saxon-Irish-Mongol-Tatar-Finno-Ugric Mischlinge are ruled out as well, together their mother.

      Waes hael!

    • ThatJ says:

      WASP’s from the Ice Age

      There were no WASPs or indeed Christianism in the Ice Age.

      (WLP) whom ThatJ indicated (in an earlier comment) was an ideological inspiration to him

      He died in 2002 and I learned about his broadcasts, which I only “listened” on YouTube, around 2010. There are no more than 20 of such videos that I recall watching.

      In 1966 he became an associate of George Lincoln Rockwell, leader of the American Nazi Party

      I know jackshit about George Lincoln Rockwell, except that he was the leader of the American Nazi Party and was killed. I don’t think his strategy is (or was) a winning game.

      White nationalism is an American ‘white Pan-European’ organic political movement, which advocates people of ethnic European heritage coming together in a united political bloc to lobby for their collective group interests.

      That’s about right. The belief that there is a core Northern European component is also present, even if not spoken aloud.

      Basically, Southern and Eastern Europeans are welcome, as long as they are dwarfed by Northern Euros. The history of the US (or the Anglosphere for that matter) up until 1965 was not unlike white nationalism. And it worked pretty well as far as assimilation goes.

      PS: The Eastern Europeans who moved to America in the decades before WWII were mostly Jews, not ethnic Slavs.

  42. colliemum says:

    Now for a bit of light relief – a little vignette of a winter weekend afternoon, any winter weekend afternoon:

    at about 1.30 p.m., the clump-clump-clump of cleated rugby boots tramp past my front window: the players of the bottom RU amateur league going from the changing rooms to the pitches, clean and scrubbed, ready for kick off. Laughter and banter and smiles all round. Bushy-tailed, ready for battle. Rugby balls are being chucked about in the road.

    About two hours later, the more weary clump-clump-clump of the returning players can be heard – they’re all caked in mud. Not so much laughter now, and winners and losers are hard to make out: everybody is tired, everybody is hurting, some are limping. No chucking around of rugby balls any more. Instead, water bottles are wielded.

    They do this every winter weekend, except when the ground is frozen and too hard to play on. All Saturdays and Sundays, until April 30th, when the goal posts are removed into storage.
    The really funny thing is though that the resident collie, who hates teenies and young men with a passion, and who makes her displeasure heard loudly when such dare walk past the house, doesn’t utter one bark when these young lads come past.
    Make of that what you will …

    😉

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