Who You Gonna Believe – NATO, or Your Lyin’ Eyes?

Uncle Volodya says, "We must know something about malevolence, about how to recognize it, and about how not to make excuses for it. We must know that we cannot expect fair play."

Uncle Volodya says, “We must know something about malevolence, about how to recognize it, and about how not to make excuses for it. We must know that we cannot expect fair play.”

My father always told me that what’s wrong with lying is that it’s an admission of weakness. If you’re the strongest, you can afford to tell the truth.

K.J. Parker

The western media is abuzz with a new term that seems to be on the lips of every State Department staffer, every western journalist, every compliant NATO puppet and cheerleader abroad, and of course in Kiev, ground zero for Russian hatred on the planet. Hybrid Warfare. This, we are told, is how Russia is managing the battle in the east of Ukraine so that the Ukrainian capital – despite its highly professional, well-equipped and motivated army – cannot work its will on the easterners and bring them to heel as productive and happy contributors to a new European Union state and aspirant to NATO membership.

It must strike the thinkers among the greater public – and there are some – that “hybrid warfare” is an awfully convenient term which allows the west to prance about and yell that Russia is in the war up to its eyes…without ever having to offer any proof. What? Of course we don’t have any pictures, you dolt: it’s hybrid warfare, ever hear of it? Well, then – pay attention to current events, try and keep up, and don’t be such a Kremlin apologist.

The big-forehead types do not tell us how Russia can be foiling the Forces of Love and Understanding in Kiev so that they cannot crush the east – through hybrid warfare, naturally, in which their troops remain invisible – but does not take advantage of pivotal decisive defeats like Ilovaisk and Debaltseve to push the eastern salient to the doorstep of Kiev itself. God knows a flock of armored budgies would be as effective at stopping them as the Ukrainian army if they chose to commit their allegedly limitless Russian reserves, and you would think an invisible army would be quite a useful asset. Yet for some reason they choose to fight only when attacked. It would probably not require much of a strategic imagination to proffer a solution whereby the Ukrainian army stopped attacking, and it seems reasonable to conclude that this would result in fewer deaths.

Now, I had a point when I came in here….Oh, yes. Hybrid warfare. This concept was discussed at length in a clip one of the readers posted (thanks, Warren), which is a recording of a presentation at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington. It is moderated by Paul Schwartz, a Senior Associate in the organization’s Russia and Eurasia Program. Mr. Schwartz is well-known in Washington circles, having been employed at various high-level IT positions in the Defense Department, including the F-22 program, and an attorney with international law firm Hogan & Hartson. His guest needs no introduction – co-author of the Clark-Karber Report, purveyor of fake photos of advancing Russian tank columns to the Senate Armed Services Committee and author of research on China’s nuclear weapons capability in 2011 that has been referred to alternately as a “goat rodeo” and “lazy and incompetent” which was apparently traced to an article plagiarized by a student from a single posting on a Usenet forum in 1995.

I would not want to create the impression that Dr. Karber is some kind of pompous nut, while Mr. Schwartz is a more or less sensible fellow who just got dragged along by the undertow. Both are zealots for American dominance of every corner of the globe, and each is as nutty as a pistachio plantation.

Listen, perhaps with your mouth agape in awe at the sheer effrontery, as Paul Schwartz – under the guise of “providing context”- reels off a laundry list of Russian crimes. Russia, he tells us, is challenging the west in Eastern Ukraine with a “bewildering mix of military and non-military tactics”. Russia, he says, launched a “stealth campaign” in Crimea. Uh huh; it’s called “polling”. Russia determined through opinion polls that a great majority of Crimeans wished to rejoin the Russian Federation, and provided some forces to ensure the process of declaring independence, conducting a referendum and making application for acceptance into the Russian Federation was conducted peacefully, as Kiev demonstrably would have attempted to prevent the transition by military force. Russia did not have to teleport any troops in, as many were already stationed at Sevastopol and an agreement between the two countries permitted Russia to quarter 20,000 troops. Nothing like that number was used, while the Crimeans have an indigenous defense force as well whose participation, if any, was not accounted for.

He acknowledges the presence of volunteers from Russia in Eastern Ukraine, but slips in that they are “dispatched” to Donbas, thereby implying they are not volunteers at all but are being sent on orders from their government. No evidence has been provided at all of a regular Russian army presence, none. The USA boasts of a worldwide communications snooping network that renders secrecy obsolete, yet cannot provide any communications intercepts which prove the presence of regular Russian forces – not unit callsigns, military brevity codewords or operation names; nothing, while the clumsy attempts of the Ukrainians to cobble together incriminating conversations between the rebels such as those admitting to having shot down MH-17 are frankly embarrassing. That this is so is witnessed by their having been quietly dropped and never formally introduced as evidence other than the occasional trial balloon by Jen Psaki in State Department briefings. The USA has a photo-reconnaissance satellite capability which is able to deliver astonishingly detailed photographic evidence of whatever was seen by the satellite – frankly ludicrous “evidence” introduced by U.S Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt came from Digital Globe, and was released on his Twitter account. The attempt to cement them as hard evidence in the minds of the public, attempted as usual by Jen Psaki in the comedy roadshow that has evolved from what used to be State Department pressers, had to be seen to be believed. Well, anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature would not believe it, but I guess I should have said it had to be seen to be appreciated.

What else you got, Paul? Oh, yes, this one was my favourite – Russia is using “economic measures” such as threatening to cut off oil and gas to Ukraine and western Europe, and denying its markets to the flow of Ukrainian goods. At the same time as Russia is under siege by the west in the form of sanctions which are designed to wreck its economy, Moscow is despicable for threatening to cut off oil and gas to Ukraine and Western Europe. Ukraine flatly refused to pay for oil and gas, Russia bent over backward to accommodate it, and never threatened Western Europe with a gas shutoff at all, not ever. Show me. Russia warned Western Europe that if it continued to support Ukraine’s shenanigans in the negotiation process, it could not answer for the reliability of gas flows through its chosen transit country, and Brussels’ response was to kick up such a big stink about South Stream that Russia was forced to cancel it. We’re not imbeciles, we haven’t forgotten already.

Washington and the west said not a word against Kiev shutting off water and electricity to Crimea and Eastern Ukrainian cities. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were a western idea.

Denying Ukrainian industry access to its markets; yes, there was one that made me laugh out loud. After Yanukovych broaching the possibility of Ukraine striking some sort of trade deal which would allow it to be a bridge between the European Union and the Eurasian Union and being flatly told by Brussels “It’s us or them” – after volumes of information being made available that warned Russia was not going to be trapped into a position whereby it had to finance the birth of Ukraine as an exclusively European partner, after clear studies that showed not only Russia’s importance as a trade partner but the manifest unwillingness of the EU to buy more Ukrainian goods, it is now dastardly behavior on Russia’s part to close its markets to trade with a country whose government has identified Russia as its existential enemy, put together Maidan rah-rah beat poetry that insists the two countries cannot be allies and vowed to put up a wall along the entire common border. To approving noises from the USA, playing the part of the Roman audience in the stadium, watching gladiators tear each other to pieces for its amusement. Announced by a stuffed-shirt know-nothing from a U.S. think tank which apparently does not know or care that cutting off a civilian population from its water supply is a direct violation of international humanitarian law.

Last, but not least, Russia attempts to throw sand in the gears with “endless ceasefire negotiations”. At just about that point, Schwartz’s tongue should have erupted in boils, torn itself out of his mouth and run away yelping. What a piece of grotesquerie, laying bare for all to see the martial juggernaut the USA has become, that prefers war to the death to any form of negotiation. When its surrogates are winning, of course – the USA was all about negotiation when the hapless Ukrainian conscripts and pressed men, many with barely any training, were “cauldroned” at Ilovaisk and Debaltseve.

I’m not even going to get into that silliness about Russia launching cyber-attacks against Ukrainian government sites; not only does the USA offer no proof of Russia being the originator of such an attack, it does not even offer any proof that such attacks occurred, and has picked up the lazy habit of simply repeating verbatim whatever Kiev tells it.

I am likewise not going to cover “Doctor” Karber’s contribution in any detail – suffice it to say he is as incurious a fool, as a researcher, as the most staggeringly obtuse display by the pride of The Guardian’s stable, Shaun Walker or Luke Harding. But they are only reporters; they’re supposed to report what they discover, and it’s up to you what to make of it. Karber is supposed to be an academic and an expert, and he is regularly called upon to provide assessments upon which U.S. foreign policy turns. If a reporter made a complete nonsense of determining the number of nuclear weapons held by China, for example, inflating the actual total by a factor of 10, he would just be laughed at. In the case of analysis, though, the USA might unnecessarily spend billions countering a threat that was never there, based on the advice of a partisan hack – and there is nothing funny about that. It’s also worth repeating that the Clark-Karber Report, co-authored by Karber, recommended that NATO allies immediately start shunting ex-Soviet military equipment in their inventories – such as MiG fighters and T-72 tanks – on the down-low to Kiev as of April 8th (the date of the report), when the Donbas had only declared itself independent the day prior. So much for negotiation.

Mind you, the U.S. government wants to be fooled, provided that being tricked lets it do what it wants, so that it can afterward ruefully admit it should not have done what it did – ah, well; no use crying over spilt milk, what? All water under the bridge now. Symptomatic of this is the blather by “scholars” in “research papers” like the one Tony Blair used to substantiate the urgency of the UK’s joining with the USA in the invasion of Iraq. This one, for example. It’s authored by Alexander Golts and Heidi Reisinger. Alexander Golts is an “independent military expert” who specializes in sneering at and mocking every piece of military hardware Russia makes, snickering that it is built by alcoholics and pseudo-engineers with fake diplomas. Heidi Resinger needs no introduction other than the previous research papers she has written or co-written for NATO, such as “Ukraine and its Neighbor – How to Deal with Aggressive Russia“. Right up front, they drag out the popular trope: “The successor states of the Soviet Union are sovereign countries that have developed differently and therefore no longer have much in common. Some of them are members of the European Union and NATO, while others are desperately trying to achieve this goal. Contrary to what Professor John Mearsheimer may suggest. In his article, “Why the Ukraine Crisis is the West’s Fault” he argues that NATO has expanded too far to the East, “into Russia’s back yard” against Moscow’s declared will, and therefore carries responsibility for recent events; however, this seems to ignore that NATO was not hunting for new members, but found them knocking at its door.”

Just like a puppy that followed NATO home – who can resist a puppy? Everybody who’s not in NATO wants to be in NATO, and we have to take them in if they ask. Except we don’t.

Article 10 is quite specific on the subject, and I’ll repeat it so you can judge for yourself;

The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.”

Says you have to be invited. By unanimous consent. Knock on the door all you like. Russia indicated it was interested in joining NATO, and was told not in your wildest dreams, not ever. Despite the arguments that it was a massive military power which, with its military weight thrown behind NATO, would have ensured the security of the North Atlantic area one hell of a lot more than Latvia, with its 1,250 soldiers, 3 tanks and zero aircraft. Not to mention Russia’s material wealth and bountiful resources. Latvia, welcome aboard – Russia, beat it.

It seems to me broadly apparent that the Baltic states were not admitted to NATO under any apprehension that they would contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area, and in fact Europe now wrings its hands day in and day out over what a liability they are, and how it is helpless to protect them unless it immediately embarks upon a massive rearmament program costing billions upon billions. That notwithstanding, NATO announced – apparently with a straight face – that it was satisfied the admission of Latvia would enhance the security of the North Atlantic area. I’d like to know how. That wasn’t a very sensible decision, was it? Whose idea was that?

Bill Cinton’s. In 1999, Johanna Granville – an Assistant Professor of Political Science at Clenmson University, wrote an article entitled, “The Many Paradoxes of NATO Enlargement“; it was a pros-and-cons piece which made clear, among other things, that on April 30th, 1998 the United States Senate ratified the Clinton Administration’s decision to enlarge NATO by a vote of 80 to 19. Please note this was not a vote by all the NATO states, but a vote by the U.S. Senate, and please further note it took place in 1999 and the Baltic States did not join NATO until 2003. In case it is not clear to even the least perceptive, the argument that NATO must admit states who are knocking at the door and is in no way hunting for new members is just one more lie in a veritable tapestry of lies.

Ms. Granville’s article points out, significantly, that deliberately antagonizing a nation which possesses a dangerous ability to project military power far beyond its own borders “violates a key strategic principle, which is that one should never take on more enemies than necessary at any given moment”. As if that were not enough, there were wide discrepancies between the polling conducted by the United States Information Agency (USIA) and national polls. A USIA poll found that 60% of the Czech Republic’s population supported NATO membership, while a Czech poll reported only 50.1%, well outside the margin of error, were supportive. Poland joined NATO near the end of 1997, but the USA was conducting polling of the electorate in 1996. This found that 83% supported membership in NATO. But support dropped off precipitously when specific questions – such as “Would you be willing to spend more money on the military in order to meet NATO standards” – were asked; in that instance, 74% said “No” compared to 16% “Yes”. And the Poles were the warriors of the bunch; in Hungary 87% said “No” to 9% “Yes”, and in the Czech Republic it was 84 to 11. It was abundantly clear that, just as in the more recent case of Ukraine, people wanted to join the European Union, not NATO, and their reasons were almost entirely motivated by a desire for economic stability and well-being.

The idea to expand NATO arose perhaps more from the threat of extinction than from the need to counter a significant, identifiable adversary. NATO planners realized that if they did not find some larger raison d’etre in this post-cold war era, they might lose their jobs; “expand or die” was the slogan. But NATO may very well expand and die.”

Russia’s role, consequently, is to play the threat, the bogeyman; perrennial whipping boy used by NATO to harangue its member states to spend more and more on defense budgets to buy more and more tanks and planes and artillery pieces. Russia will never be regarded as anything but an adversary by NATO because it is too big and powerful for NATO to control – and in the end, all NATO members serve the will of Washington and Brussels. Russia might even agree to do that, but the point is that Washington and Brussels could not force it if it did not agree to comply. The present feeble posturing over sanctions is a ringing testimony to that reality.

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403 Responses to Who You Gonna Believe – NATO, or Your Lyin’ Eyes?

  1. james says:

    mark… this is a very well written post of yours that covers a lot of ground. thanks.. i think you hit the nail on the head with your quote at the top “My father always told me that what’s wrong with lying is that it’s an admission of weakness. If you’re the strongest, you can afford to tell the truth.”
    K.J. Parker
    boy, there is a lot of truth in that..
    as for NATO, i think the whole reason for it’s existence at this point is to further the military industrial complex.. they will use any excuse they can to further their ambitions.. stripping away the lies and deception to cover up this basic fact is a lot of work and most people don’t get paid to do it.. the folks getting paid to lie, or deceive completely outnumber people like yourself who address the constant stream of lies and who are not paid to do it.. such is the present state of affairs on the late great planet earth.. thanks for your post here..

  2. Fern says:

    This belongs on the previous thread but sine we’ve got another great post up, I thought I’d put it here. A few threads back, someone (possibly PaulR) posted an article by Simon Ostrovsky about a visit of his to eastern Ukraine which included the comment that in the areas Mr Ostrovsky had visited, the EU was supplying the majority of aid. This puzzled me so I thought I’d do a bit of digging around.

    According to the European Commission for Aid and Crisis Management, the EU has pledged Euro 139 million for Ukraine and delivered 85 tonnes of relief supplies. It’s important to note that not all of this goes to eastern Ukraine – about half is allotted to the regions that are “not under the control of the government of Ukraine” with the balance going to Kiev.

    The UN delivered 62 metric tons of aid by February 2015. I thought I’d come across a reference saying it had delivered 94 metric tons of aid in total but I can’t now find it so we’ll say the UN contribution is between 62 and 94 metric tons.

    And what of Russia? According to EMERCOM, some 22,000 tonnes of aid and humanitarian supplies had been delivered to Donetsk and Lugansk by early March 2015.

    So, I can believe that Mr Ostrovsky stuck his head around a few warehouse doors and saw that the bulk of supplies were in EU-labelled packages but that’s a very different thing from establishing which country is actually providing the lion’s share of support for the war-ravaged east.

    • Moscow Exile says:

      There’s a Lithuanian (or Latvian) Russophobe called Masodonnas or something similar who bludgeons the Independent with his inanities and anti-Russian vitriol. Whenever the humanitarian aid convoys sent from Russia to the embattled zones of Eastern Ukraine are mentioned, he always insists that the big white wagons are really ferrying Russian troops into the war zones and taking back to Russia the fallen, who are secretly interred.

    • yalensis says:

      Thank you for researching that, Fern. This is a trenchant point.
      In summary: Donetsk/Luhansk receive 22,000 tonnes of aid from Russia.
      Donetsk/Luhansk receive approximately 45 tonnes of aid from the EU.

      Simon says: The EU is delivering the majority of aid to Donbass.
      Simon can’t do math. Unless the new definition of “majority” is .2%
      (that’s a 2 with a decimal point in front of it!)

      • yalensis says:

        P.S. – great posting, Mark.
        This is a great summary of all the NATO B.S.

        • marknesop says:

          Thanks, Yalensis. It’s little enough we can do considering the western media is a giant megaphone broadcasting horseshit 24 hours a day. Moscow Exile has pointed out before now their fondness for that they-were-scratching-at-the-door-so-we-had-to-let-them-in rubbish. In fact, NATO enlargement is a careful chess game to snap up territory surrounding Russia so as to put increasing pressure on it. You plainly do not have to be on the Atlantic to enhance North Atlantic security – Greece, Italy and Turkey are all NATO members without an inch of Atlantic frontage, while Turkey is not truly European; only Eastern Thrace is in Southeast Europe while the remainder is West Asia. If NATO took in everyone who begged for membership because they believed it would enhance their economic well-being then Nigeria, Somalia and Burkina Faso would all be members as well. Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania were all plainly taken with a view to controlling the Black Sea as well. If NATO had been able to get Ukraine and Georgia, it would have the Black Sea surrounded except for a small strip belonging to Russia.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            No matter what you say, you Kremlin apologist you, Porky and chums are going to hold a referendum to decide whether the Yukies wish that their so-called state join NATO.

            A democratic decision made by a free people, mind you, and most certainly not at the point of a Kalashnikov.

              • marknesop says:

                It is not even truly necessary for Porky to be alive to speak for Ukraine, apparently; they could just wheel his embalmed body out and put a microphone to his blue lips while they play a recording. I wouldn’t go so far as to say it doesn’t ever change, but it never makes any sense. He knows very well you can’t just vote to join NATO, and they’d really have a tough time with that “convinced that admission of Ukraine enhances the security of the North Atlantic area” knee-jerk speech. But look at the rest of it – “today, the postwar peace and system of agreements [is being] let down.” What the hell does that even mean? What war? World War II? what does a civil war in Ukraine have to do with that? What system of agreements? Is he so vague on international law that he does not want to name any particular set?

                A ceasefire agreement should involve people not shooting at one another; what an epiphany!! He’s just going through the motions.

    • marknesop says:

      I don’t think there is any doubt in the minds of most people that Russia is supplying a lot of aid to the east of Ukraine, or that it would likely collapse and have to give in to Kiev without that aid; after all, there have been denial of services efforts against it in addition to the military attacks against it. But for public consumption the western media must always announce that while there might be some actual aid in those white trucks, Russia will not allow Ukraine to inspect their cargoes and they are mostly bringing in infantry battalions and taking secret Ukrainian military equipment with them on the return trip. Russia cannot be seen to be doing anything good; this is an unrelenting assault on the Russian character that the west would not tolerate for five seconds were it directed against the Jews, for example – they are all sneaky and untrustworthy Moskali who take advantage of every relationship be it business or personal.

      Ostrovsky attempts to skew perception as well, and probably searched around in order to show supplies which came from the EU to demonstrate its humanity and soft-heartedness, just as his cameraman focused repeatedly on the portrait of Putin on Zakharchenko’s wall during the interview. News now is all spin of one kind or another, but most watchers look no further and do not trouble themselves to find out the true situation. And if they will not, they deserve to be misled and suffer whatever are the consequences of their incuriosity.

    • james says:

      interesting and worthwhile question fern.. it would be interesting to see some clear answers.. i think it will get buried like everything else.. so, one area of ukraine – the east – is being bombed to shit, while the rest of ukraine is not a part of a war zone directly… which part would any ordinary person think the relief ought to go to? where does one think the relief goes to? questions like this are good ones…

      • kat kan says:

        There was one good thing about the EU aid… some of it at least was going to towns and villages which had been recently “liberated” by Kiev. These are the worst off, as they are outside the areas the Russian aid gets to, yet may be just as destroyed. Additionally it takes Kiev several months to transfer these back to the list of Kiev-controlled areas that qualify for pensions etc. Other EU aid went to towns suffering a lot of “stress” from having to feed large numbers of displaced persons.

        But even for these areas, the EU aid would average out at equivalent one slice of bread pp one off, while Russian aid was providing a much larger number of people with full meals every day.

  3. Warren says:

    Pomerantsev senior being interviewed by Hromadske TV:

  4. Warren says:

    Notice how Vova opens the bottle of water and pours it into Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner’s glass? Who said chivalry was dead?

  5. yalensis says:

    Here is some more background on NATO expansion and the new cold war; and the role in this played by oligarchs such as Berezovsky.

    This is based on newly declassified documents from the Bill Clinton administration.
    Apparently Vladimir Gusinsky (Russian/Israeli banker and media magnate) had worked with Bill Clinton to broker the power change in the Kremlin.

    Lots of other interesting tidbits. Putin might never have come to power, had not Berezovsky hated Primakov so much.

    • kirill says:

      Putin had support elsewhere. After the March 1999 rape of Serbia there was basically a military coup in Russia. Yeltsin was left in his chair as an ornament until he “voluntarily” resigned in December. Putin wasn’t appointed as prime minister, he took over as the real leader. Dispatching the army to beat back the invasion of Dagestan by Wahabbi warlords was one of his first tasks. That these warlords felt enough bravery to invade Russia (and not just engage in terrorism or guerrilla attacks) tells me that they expected no serious response from Moscow.

      All the analysis I see of how Putin rose to power have missed the mark, including by very good analysts such as Paul Khlebnikov. Putin was maneuvering into place for years and he was not alone. There must have been a counter-revolution brewing during the 1990s as the country slid into the toilet. I think the army and intelligence services resisted the new order. They were smart and did not stage some cheesy coup like you see in banana republics, but they did not roll over and die under Yeltsin’s regime. By the late 1990s the situation for Russia was critical, there was the 1998 meltdown that exposed economic advice of the Harvard Boys as a total sham and direct threats to Russia’s security were becoming acute, including the invasion of Dagestan.

      The west can hate Putin all they want. It was Russia that gave them the middle finger when they wanted to turn it into a resource colony. The west is so full of hubris and anti-Russian bile it cannot grasp this. It thinks all it needs to do is get rid of Putin and Russia will become another Honduras. These retards need to put the crack pipe down.

    • james says:

      yalensis – i read that article possibly here at ks within the last week… good article with much insight that others would enjoy reading… – good comments kirill – especially the last line!

    • marknesop says:

      That’s very interesting; the first part is familiar, as if I had read it before, but the rest of the article contains a great deal that is completely new to me. On at least one point it is incorrect – there was no offer to Russia to join NATO, although that might just have been Berezovsky’s interpretation, and there never would be and never will be, for the reason I described; Russia is too big and powerful for the USA to control, and Washington is the heart of NATO and the rest of NATO exists only to serve an America-centric foreign policy. Other NATO states might resist Washington initiatives, but if Washington was insistent they could not stand against it. Russia could.

      Berezovsky is an enigma – how could a man maneuver so cleverly through the political rocks and shoals in Russia, yet appear in his court action against Abramovich to be so dull and stupid? It also answers a lot of questions why the west continued to support him fanatically after his exile even though he was clearly a crook to the marrow of his bones – however, it renders amazing that they did not grab for his offer when he was actually in a position to influence the balance of power in Russia! It’s not as if Washington is squeamish about supporting crooked or dictatorial leaders, after all, and nobody is more pragmatic than Washington where its foreign policy is concerned.

      • yalensis says:

        Really smart people can make really stupid mistakes sometimes.
        Or not even mistakes, but maybe just not notice something obvious that is staring them in the face.
        For example, King Oedipus was smart enough to solve the riddle of the Sphinx, yet he never caught onto the fact that he was banging his own mom.
        (despite all the clues)

        It’s called “hubris”, baby.

      • Jen says:

        In Russia in the 1990s, the situation there was in freefall chaos and Berezovsky and other oligarchs could make their own rules and put their own people into power. In his court case against Roman Abramovich, Berezovsky had to abide by the rules of an English court, the trial was conducted in a language not his own, and the judge was not swayed by his bluster or his background. By that time too, a number of countries, including a court in New York state, had warrants for his arrest so he was not such a darling by then.

        • james says:

          it is really too bad he couldn’t use the ace in the hole that gusinsky had… “Gusinsky told the four Spanish policemen who came to arrest him at his home in the luxury Atlantic resort of Sotogrande: “You are making a big mistake. You don’t know who I am, I’m a friend of Bill Clinton’s.” On 22 December Gusinsky was again released, after bail of 1 billion pesetas ($5.5 million) was lodged.” now, how is that for avoiding the consequences of your bullshite (illegal acts)?

          hey – umm… i am friends with bill clinton, lol.. worked for monica or did it? geez.. sorry my mind is slipping here.. things could be worse.. i can’t believe how outrageous the legal system is every time i see it being bought out by some person who is otherwise typically guilty, but never have to live by the same rules the rest of us do…

      • ucgsblog says:

        He wasn’t that powerful. Had the military/intelligence services not demanded Yeltsin’s and Primakov’s resignation, Putin might never have come to power. Berezovsky was ruthless, and that’s why he made it so far, but if you’re going to be that ruthless, you’re going to run into someone more powerful than you, and you’re going to lose. Sharon Tennison also explains why Putin was chosen: he was the only guy they could find who didn’t take bribes, and was in the elite circle.

  6. et Al says:

    Quite grim indeed Mark! NATO and its cheerleaders are partaking in enormous FUD and mud slinging. It was quite hilarious to read NATO’s response to Russia’s claim that NATO was training/active troops (Blackwater/Academi) in the war zone as ‘ridiculous’ a day after NATO accused Russia of training NAF in air defense. It the exceptional Holier Than Thou attitude that how dare Russia accuse NATO of anything unless it is approved by Washington?

    Still, a lot of noise don’t mean much. Even the planned increases in defense spending by EU states is not all what it seems, NATO’s strategy to terrify Europe’s populations (hence the amping up of the ‘Aggressive Russia’ meme), so much that they will not protest spending significant amounts on weapons rather than on jobs or the basic economy even while a good part of the EU economy is still in the toilet. The backdrop is that once signed on to turkeys like the F-35, that’s a 35 year contract with the US and helps cement NATO further. One of the arguments made for the F-35 in Belgium an the Netherlands is that they are needed to take over the nuclear strike role from the F-16 (apparently both Be & NL have a single squadron each dedicated to the role) and of course to carry the new ‘upgraded’ B-61 nuclear weapons that will be given a stand-off capability.

    Keeping American nukes in Europe is central to maintaining NATO and cementing dependence on Washington for defense. France has the full nuclear triad and could do the job, but a) they wouldn’t want to pay for it either politically or economically; b) who would trust them?; c) they love the luxury of complaining about the US; d) and independent European nuclear deterrent would effectively spell the end of NATO and signal the rise of a European army – Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg have signed a joint air policing agreement “..the agreement, that ratifies that the signing countries will rotate the air policing duties,..

    Benelux starts joint Air Policing operations

    Washington not only wishes Europe to continue to depend on it for defense (whilst paying the 2% GDP), but also energy.

    What was that about putting all your eggs in one basket?

    • et Al says:

      I forgot to add, that with Sweden getting closer to NATO (would they dare a public vote?) and pressure on Finland, it would be logical for the US if they join to place nukes in both those countries, not simply returning them to their original storage countries. It’s not a question right now, but returning nukes to Europe, whether old or new countries (Poland) and will be highly politically toxic unless the Americans and the PPNN have done a brilliant job of terrifying populations in to submission.

      As others have pointed out too, Germany is the key but under Merkel, she seems to be playing the waiting game, hoping things will calm down without her having to do anything, i.e. make any risky decisions. All that is apparent is that the Washington is singing from a completely different hymn sheet. It takes Merkel’s passivity as a sign that Germany will not stand up to the US, so why shouldn’t Washington push relations to breaking point if it ultimately means Europe is bonded to the US for another 50 years? I wouldn’t count on the French apart from their particular strand of nationalism that celebrates saying ‘Up yours and damn the consequences’ to bigger powers ‘Le Grand Geste’, as it is known. Pulling out of NATO would be one option, though I could more imagine Sarkozy as President (who had France join in the first place) doing it rather than Hollande.

      • marknesop says:

        I believe le Pen would do it, and her support is currently running fairly high, while there is unlikely to be much happen between now and the French elections which will calm things down and let the French fall back into restive grumbling.

      • Jen says:

        The Swedish government probably conducts regular polling, either publicly or through a private agency, to monitor the level of public support for and against NATO membership, and only if opinion is at least 66% in favour of Sweden joining NATO (the magic two-thirds support) in most parts of the country would the government consider the next step of holding a referendum. The issue may be a contentious one because it involves giving up a nearly 300-year-old tradition of “neutrality”, and I should think most Swedes would not want US bases or nuclear weapons on their soil. But I am only guessing here.

        • et Al says:

          Thanks for that Jen! From what I’ve heard, the Swedes themselves consider the sacrosanct ‘neutrality’ as more a concept rather than letter of the law, as serious as how the Norwegians (so I am told) take their Nobel Prize Committee with a truckload of salt.

          Apparently during the Cold War when Sweden was ‘neutral’, NATO just happened to have been given a map of where all the mines were laid in Swedish harbors…. Plus without the USA, Sweden wouldn’t be able to sell its JAS-39 Gripens and new Gripen-E abroad for its American jet engine… and going backwards, they used Rolls Royces for for the JA.AJ-37 Viggen, J-35 Drakken & J29 Tunnan…

    • marknesop says:

      Well said, and I agree with your analysis; there are a lot of useful fundamentals in there, and I did not cover the American nukes in Europe aspect at all. This helps greatly to flesh out the picture.

  7. et Al says:

    In other news, Russia is cutting $15b equivalent from their space program*. On the one hand it is quite annoying the way Moscow announces its grandoise plans but suffers endless changes, yet on the other they are cutting their cloth to fit (and taking up space development with Brazil who just dropped the Ukrainianss **), unlike the USA which squeals like a stuck pig the moment a few billions are trimmed from its gigantic crackling of pork that is its military industrial complex.

    On the recent dustup by a Su-27 v. a RC-135U over the Baltic from the pro-US perspective released for PR purposes, knowing it will be picked up:

    The Aviationist: Close encounters with Russian Su-27s as seen by a former RC-135 aircraft commander

    Close encounters with Russian Su-27s as seen by a former RC-135 aircraft commander

    “What passes for dangerous and provocative today was ho-hum to recon crews of my generation” former RC-135 commander says…

    …Few days ago, a former RC-135 aircraft commander who flew the S, U, V, W, and X models, sent us an email and gave his point of view about the “U-Boat” intercept.
    Here’s what he explained to us:

    “About the RC-135U intercept last week, the absence of a transponder signal is a non-issue. Having flown many of these missions, we used the concept of “see and avoid” where the pilot flying is responsible for avoiding all traffic conflicts, much like a VFR flight plan without flight following.

    Given that the intercept took place in VMC there is simply no merit in the Russian accusations that the U-Boat was flying without an active transponder and therefore a dangerous risk.

    The close proximity is equally moot.

    Prior to the end of the Cold War interceptors from a variety of nations managed to get into tight formation with RC-135s and EP-3s. Smaller airplanes like MiG-21s made it easy. The challenge with the larger airplanes like the Su-27 and MiG-31 is the sheer size of the interceptor as it moves in front of any portion of the intercepted plane.

    At least the Su-27 pilot has excellent all-around visibility to see where the back end of his own airplane is as he maneuvers adjacent to the RC-135.

    The U-Boat crew took video of the intercept, which has not been released but shows the precise extent of how close the FLANKER really was. Recent movies taken by a PRC aircraft that was intercepted by a JASDF F-15CJ suggests that the Eagle was very close—until the camera zooms out and shows the Eagle was 70-100 feet away from the wingtip….

    Finally, although the number of Russian reactions to Western recon flights has been increasing recently, for 15-20 years (certainly from 1992 through 2010) there were almost no reactions on a regular basis. As such, what passes for dangerous and provocative today was ho-hum to recon crews of my generation (although we weren’t shot at like the early fliers from 1950-1960).”
    ####

    Remember kids, Russia has expanded west and NATO has not expanded east. Or is that the other way round? The Pork Pie News Networks will let you know…

    Meanwhile, here’s a short pice by Zvezda tv on what Russian pilots get up to:

    Video provides behind the scenes look at the Russian Su-27 Flanker operations in the Baltic area

    * http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150422/1021219121.html
    ** http://sputniknews.com/science/20150424/1021326429.html

  8. Jen says:

    From NATO’s FAQ page at http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/faq.htm:

    “… Q: What are the conditions for joining NATO? Which countries are eligible?
    A: NATO has an open door policy with regard to enlargement. Any European country in a position to further the principles of the Washington Treaty and contribute to security in the Euro-Atlantic area can become a member of the Alliance at the invitation of the North Atlantic Council.

    Countries aspiring for NATO membership are also expected to meet certain political, economic and military goals in order to ensure that they will become contributors to Alliance security as well as beneficiaries of it.

    NATO’s Membership Action Plan (MAP) is designed to assist aspirant partner countries in their preparations by providing a framework which enables NATO to channel assistance and practical support to them on all aspects of NATO membership …”

    According to NATO’s own information, countries can be invited to join which in itself might suggest that invited countries have the option of declining the invitation. Yet there seems to be pressure on Sweden from within its own elites and from outside to join NATO and the recent episode with the elusive Russian submarine that was supposedly lurking near Stockholm and which turned out to be a white boat might be one indicator of such pressure. And once Sweden joins, Finland would be under pressure to join as well, in spite of the very real possibility that by joining NATO, both countries risk being drawn into a war that would be fought on their territories and which would not serve their interests at all.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/20/guardian-view-on-sweden-defence-nato-inevitable

  9. Warren says:

    Champagne Tastes On Beer Incomes: Tax Declarations In Ukraine Suggest Enduring Corruption

    http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-tax-declarations-discrepencies-corruption/26969701.html

    • james says:

      putins media… that tells one all they need to know right there… who refers to usa media as the corporations media? i wish they would as it would be a lot more accurate then ‘putins media’ is here..

      • et al says:

        Maybe it works in Russia’s favor. By confirming Washington’s delusions of grandeur and all the clichés about Moscow, much of the the sturm und drang is being wasted on things that will get Washington no result and maybe damage itself in the process, i.e. if they are dumb enough to ban RT – now what would that tell the rest of the world about US ‘Free Dumb of Speech’, Life and Libertango* for all?

        Is Ms. Wahl a Kremlin Stooge (TM)?

        * For some reason I have Grace Jones in my head. I don’t want her to get out!

        • Warren says:

          It just had to be done, who could forget this dance between Harrison Ford and Emmanuelle Seigner in the classic 1988 film Frantic?

          • james says:

            et al… maybe it does work in russias favour… anyone who thinks this thru can see the propaganda right from the get go.. whether they want to swallow it, or distance themselves from it – depends on whether they think things out or not..

            warren “Without RT, she would be a nobody.”

            she still is a nobody, but a useful ( and how much do they pay her for this?) tool for anyone who wants to further a hostile viewpoint towards all things russian., beginning with putin on down..

      • Warren says:

        No one has employed her since her stunt at RT, Wahl’s 15 minutes of fame has come to an end.

        Without RT, she would be a nobody.

    • kirill says:

      This smells of the Iraq incubator atrocity fraud. This clown was clearly a plant.

    • ucgsblog says:

      “I look cute, and I am ready to testify against Putin, please, can I haz job?”
      “Sorry Liz, the good jobs are taken by people with connections, welcome to reality!”

      • Warren says:

        Liz has made herself real popular with the alternative media now:

        • ucgsblog says:

          Alternative media for her from now on. Media doesn’t like it when you betray other media, unless you’re 100% factually right, because then they get more viewers. Sure, they’ll give her air time to bash Putin, but that’s it, because if you betrayed once, what’s to stop you from doing that again?

  10. I read news about Russia being ready to grant Greece $2-4 billion as a pre-payment for the new pipeline called Turkish Stream. Hopefully Russia knows what its doing. Greece is one of the last countries I would do this kind of a deal. They will probably just take the money and then succumb under Western pressure, cancel the project and keep the Russian money without paying it back.

    Russia already made this mistake with Yanukovich’s Ukraine. They would be dumb to do it again.

    • james says:

      hard to know without knowing the nature of the deal.. is the 2-4 bil being provided via the gas? if so, russia does have the option of shutting it off to them as well! i don’t know enough to comment, but it is interesting conjecture on your part..

    • marknesop says:

      They have little choice, because Washington and Brussels will be pulling out all the stops to prevent Greece from becoming a delivery point for Russian gas – they want to force Russia to keep using Ukraine so that it has to subsidize Ukraine’s recovery and not allow it to collapse.

      • kirill says:

        Well, then, the EU is going to discover that it has no access to about 60% of the gas supply it purchased from Russia come 2017.

  11. Warren says:

    Azov Battalion are now mimicking ISIS in crucifying and immolating their victims:

    • Jen says:

      No surprise, ISIS and Azov Battalion are probably swapping tactics courtesy of their trainers. By itself, execution by crucifixion does not mean much but in the context of what we know about where the Kiev regime gets its support from and where ISIS get their support from, it is likely the same people are training both sets of scum. Where these trainers are from, that they would mock an essential belief of Christianity (Jesus dying on the cross to save the world from sin), is another question.

      • yalensis says:

        Unless the video is a fake (possible), and IF Azov actually are crucifying people, then this crucifixion raises, once again, the issue of the Galina Pyshniak story. Which was also about a crucifixion. Allegedly performed by similar actors (=fascist militias), on a 3-year-old boy.

        Recall that Galina, a native of Western Ukraine, had married a Donbass resident, this was her second marrige, they moved to Slavyansk and were raising a family.
        When war broke out, Galina’s husband joined the Separatist (then Federalist) militia. Galina and her children remained in Slavyansk.

        When Strelkov and his men retreated from Slavyansk, they left the town open and undefended; Ukrainian forces/militias moved in and occupied the town. Galina, who later fled to Russia, reported that she was an eye-witness of a startling atrocity, whereby the occupiers, on taking the town, carried out several punitive actions against the pro-separatist residents. Including crucifying a baby to a (political) poster board, and dragging the baby’s mother behind a tank.

        Western media and Russian Fifth Columnists ridiculed Galina’s story, they claimed that it was fake; and yet they have never offered any proof or decisive refutation of Galina’s story.

        Either (1) Galina’s story is a valid eye-witness account of something that actually happened; or (2) Galina is lying.
        There is really no third option.

        If the video shown above is not a fake, then I would say it corroborates Galina’s story indirectly. In the sense that it shows, that the private battalions are using this trick of crucifying their enemies. Whatever that might mean to them, symbolically.

        • yalensis says:

          Also can be considered corroborative evidence:
          Retired Polish General Waldemar Skrzypczak, who recounted the following:

          The UPA murdered my uncle. They nailed him with forks to a barn door. For what I know, he was dying maybe for three days. Their savagery was beyond imagination. And Nazi Germany didn’t invent the things the Ukrainians did to us. They hacked people with axes,” he added.

          To be sure, this murder happened 70 years ago.
          But that really doesn’t matter.
          Today’s Banderites are the direct descendants of those people, and regard them as their role models.

          • james says:

            if ukraine or the west can keep azoz or upa type actions out of the mainstream msm – fine.. but it doesn’t look like they will be able to and based on the article from helmer regarding poland – doesn’t look like poland is swallowing the story line neo-con central has to offer either.. the western msm is unwilling to examine these connections.. at what point do they re-consider? isis/azoz connections work towards this.. i hope more see this..

        • Fern says:

          yalensis, I’m not sure I’d agree that the only options for Galina’s story are either an eye-witness account of something that actually happened or a blatant lie. There have been lots of ghastly sights endured by eastern Ukrainians – friends, relatives, neighbours doing normal stuff like shopping, going to school, to work, taking the kids out, who’ve been ripped apart by shells and bombs during the daily round and the common task. It’s not unusual for people who’ve had traumatic experiences to conflate actual events with remembered horrors gleaned from other sources at other times – books, movies, news bulletins from other wars in other places, stories from childhood of Nazi and Banderite butchery told by elders, seen in history books and so on. So I’d add a third option to your list – Galina genuinely believes she witnessed this murder and is not lying in the sense of deliberately peddling a falsehood.

          As for myself, I’m not sure whether I think this actually happened.

          • yalensis says:

            Dear Fern:
            These are all good points, but I simply don’t have the impression that Galina is THAT traumatized, that she is actually imagining things or conflating events. She has been through traumatic events, to be sure. She speaks with a somewhat flat affect, only emotion leaking out at one crucial point of her story. If she were an actor, she should get an Oscar for this performance. She seems calm and rational, she tells her story with attention to details. (Which is what a liar would do, if she were lying.)

            Here is the vid again, Galina telling her story. I watched it about 10 times, and I still think that she is telling an accurate eye-witness account. Everything else about her back-story was checked and vetted by reporters; in other words, she is exactly who she says she is, her name, address, birthplace, husband, children, etc. – all check out. In any court, this housewife would be considered a reliable witness. People were convicted at the Hague for much less evidence that her testimony.

            Not that it shouldn’t be doubted or double-checked. I just try to correct people who always add the moniker “which was debunked, of course”, every time they mention her story.
            But it has NOT actually been debunked, as far as I know. Doubt is one thing, debunk is another.

            • marknesop says:

              I don’t think this is a fake, and I believe this or something like it actually happened. They did something so terrible to the people of Slavyansk that they were thoroughly cowed afterward, and nobody would say a word against the regime. You might get something out of them once Ukraine is partitioned – which for the record I believe will happen, entirely due to the west’s incompetence and unforgivable stupidity – but not while they fear the Nazis will come around and give them another lesson.

              • yalensis says:

                Yes, I think so.
                The Odessa massacre is also indirect corroboration. It proves that Right Sektor M.O. is to stage elaborately cruel punishment rituals, to terrorize the many.
                Something bad went down in Slavyansk, I think the truth will come out at some point.

                • yalensis says:

                  P.S. – there is a natural resistance to believing that even bad people would do something that cruel to a baby.
                  Nobody wants it to be true, so the mind resists the notion.

                  In her interview, Galina says, “I have become a stone.” She rather mechanically, and without much emotional affect, recounts the story of the child’s murder. But then she almost breaks down for a moment when speaking about the child’s mother, “The mother became hysterical, she started screaming….” Galina almost tears up, and wipes her eyes.
                  The stone still has a few tears to shed.

                • marknesop says:

                  And the western media was quick to jump on her that she was a cynical fake, and that she had deliberately set out to pass along disgraceful misinformation. They’re always so brimming with moral outrage, but if it proves to have been completely true in every respect they never, never apologize. They just say lots of people believed it wasn’t true – largely as a result of their own disinformation, they don’t mention – and then say “I’m ready to move on”.

                • kirill says:

                  I don’t know why people are so reluctant to accept that atrocities happen in civil wars. They always have. There were real nasty cases in ex-Yugoslavia including axe murders of while families. Yet in Banderastan it is all about democratic goodness. This is obviously the propaganda narrative that NATO is peddling.

                • yalensis says:

                  Even Shariy, in his vid-report at the time, thought that Galina was lying. (And Shariy has reported a lot of Banderite atrocities, so he knows what they are capable of.)

                  Shariy’s reasoning was this:
                  Somewhat prior to Galina’s interview, like maybe a couple of weeks, there had been an earlier, separate, account of a crucifixion in a Ukrainian-occupied town.
                  From this Shariy deduced, that Galina had heard the other story on the grapevine, and either used it, or mingled with her own account.

                  From a logical point of view, I don’t know why Shariy didn’t come to a different possible conclusion:
                  That two separate crucifixions had taken place, in two separate towns?
                  That the Right Sektor were using this method in Donbass, when they occupied a town?

                  I mean, suppose the story had been, that Right Sektor were just picking somebody in each town to give a good beating to? Separate beatings in separate towns.
                  Everybody would believe that.
                  But because it is a crucifixion, that is considered too outlandish, and nobody wants to believe that such a thing is possible, not even once, let alone several times.

                • james says:

                  yalensis – The odessa massacre is definite collaboration in regards the nature of these people being quite capable of committing these types of acts, probably designed to instill as much fear as possible.. i agree with kirill 809pm comment down below…

    • marknesop says:

      Is that real, do you think?

      • Warren says:

        Maybe this is bait designed to discredit the Kiev junta’s opponents, like that satellite image of the Ukrainian fighter jet supposedly firing on MH17.

        Then again, Kiev’s fascist volunteer battalion have committed atrocities in the past.

        http://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604

        • yalensis says:

          Dear Warren:
          How can you know for sure that the satellite image of the Ukrainian fighter shooting down MH-17 is a fake?
          We had an extensive discussion of that here, on Mark’s blog.
          I posted lengthy excerpts from Evgeny Shultz blog, discussing this issue; and all the evidence for pros and cons, fake/not fake. There were a lot of technical points, and a big discussion of google maps, photographic angles, etc. After doing a huge research on this, Shultz trended towards the conclusion that the image was authentic. Albeit with a caveat which implied that, google would have had to helped to forgery one tiny quadrant of the map, as seen from space. That was a big “if” and maybe a bridge too far for many, including myself. But still, the technical discussion was quite voluminous, and I think the jury is still out.

          In conclusion:
          The image might be real, or it might be fake. The point is that we don’t really know for sure.
          Just like the crucifixion of a child by Banderites in Slavyansk. Did that really happen? Or was Galina (the eye-witness) lying through her teeth?

          My point is this:
          Western propaganda uses the method: “Truth by assertion and repetition”. In this instance, they getting everybody to repeat like parrots, “which is a fake, of course”, every time they allude to that satellite image.
          So it gets drilled into readers consciousness that a certain thing has been definitively debunked, even when it hasn’t, really.
          And then people don’t feel the need to go back to the original sources, read all the pros and cons, and form their own opinion. Because “everybody says” that the image was a fake, etc.

          I think for purposes of accuracy people should just refer to these types of incidents as “alleged”. For example, the “alleged satellite image”. Still makes it sound fishy, but only because the word “alleged” has acquired a fishy connotation in English. But still more accurate than just repeating like a parrot, “fake satellite image, fake satellite image – SQUAWK”.

          • yalensis says:

            And P.S. –
            the contra-assertion was, the alleged “satellite” image was actually a picture taken from a low-flying American drone, and then the picture leaked by somebody who had access to these photos.

            • kat kan says:

              That “satellite image” that turned up late last year? totally fake. It was on a Google Earth image and an old one at that, therefore not what it purported to be. QED..

              • yalensis says:

                No, actually, only one tiny tiny quadrant of the “satellite image” coincides with a quadrant from an earlier Google map. Shultz points out that even on a good day, google maps are always pieced together from various fragments. Like a mosaic. Supposedly, when you root around in Google-map archives, the images never look like a solid piece, and you can always see the seams. Unlike the “satellite image”, which appears to be seamless. No pixel seams showing at all.
                However, in this seamless fabric, supposedly dated July 17, 2014, one tile in the mosaic concides pixel for pixel with a quadrant of a google map from a couple of years earlier.

                Granted, this is enough to probably debunk the whole “satellite image” as a fake, with the implication that somebody patched together a rather clever photoshop image. However, Shultz countered with the following conspiracy theory: That, on the day the image was “leaked”, which I believe was sometime in October 2014, NSA may have asked Google to insert that tiny patch (the quadrant containing the corkscrew cloud) back-dated into THEIR map archives, in order to discredit the leaked image and make it look like a fake. Because sure enough, people like Brown Moses pawed through Google map archive images of Donetsk sky, and found that corkscrew cloud over Donetsk, like several years before MH-17, and trumpeted: “See! The shoot-down image was faked! It was patched together from old Google maps!”

                I realize this google-map theory sounds convoluted and ridiculous, but it doesn’t sound quite so ridiculous if you read Shultz’s whole argument, which is here.

                At the time, when I posted Shultz’s conspiracy theory, I had our beloved peter troll tell me I was an idiot, and he posted some twitter “proving” that the lens angle of the photo taken from the supposed drone was wrong (without actually sitting down to do the math himself); after which, not being able to do the math either, just because I can’t, I replied with something I found on wikipedia about fish-eye lenses, and how they distort the angle, or something like that…. Twas an interesting debate. I was somewhat outmatched, not knowing optics or math, but assisted by the fact that peter is too lazy and arrogant to post his equations and make them available for broader peer review.

                • kirill says:

                  While arguments about the relative scale of the objects are BS, the supposed recycling of a Google image is a more serious criticism but only if one assumes Google wouldn’t play ball with the NSA to modify their archives. Google plays ball with the NSA on everything else so why should it stop in the case of the MH17.

                • yalensis says:

                  Exactly. Which is why I think this particular “conspiracy theory” is plausible.
                  And by the way, not all so-called “conspiracy theories” are created equal.

                  Alien abduction? – nope, I don’t believe that happened.
                  Ghosts in the attic? – uh uh, I don’t believe in ghosts either.
                  NSA conspiring with Google to falsify a database? – PLAUSIBLE!

          • kirill says:

            Hear, hear!

            The US has been routinely bitching about Russian forces in Ukraine based on twitter posts and assorted other nonsense. But we are supposed to be super skeptical of anything that contradicts the line of BS from Washington. I saw this routinely at MP net, where posters would always question the authenticity of reports from the Donbas from the rebel side. As if anything coming out of the western MSM was credible and not just parroting of demented Kiev regime propaganda. And it was the “pro-Russian” posters that were engaged in this “until confirmed” reflex. In hindsight I can’t recall any reports from the rebels that stick out as being total fabrications or even ridiculous exaggerations. They don’t make up reports. Of course, they do not report details of their losses, but that is perfectly acceptable since NATO and it’s puppets don’t either.

          • marknesop says:

            I still think it’s a fake; the size comparisons between the aircraft make the fighter look pretty big and it is not an SU-25, which other evidence suggests it was. The more conflicting narratives get injected, the more people are tempted to throw up their hands and say, “I guess we’ll never know what happened!” which plays directly to the Ukies’ advantage.

          • Warren says:

            Yes, the Western media uses the techniques of lying through repetition and assertion. History has shown the propensity of the Western media to lie, distort and deny to advance the interests of their respective governments.

            Yes, I remember the discussion on this blog as to the authenticity of the satellite image of the Ukrainian fighter jet firing on MH17. Critics dismissed the satellite image as fake because the size of jet was disproportionate and the passenger plane was the wrong Boeing jumbo jet.

            If the satellite image was real, legitimate and authenticity beyond repute, then why did only 1 Russian media outlet Channel 1 publish those images? I think Channel 1 fell for the bait, this is common tactic the Ukrainian to disseminate fake images and stories only of them to debunk and discredit their opponents.

            Kiev’s Fake Picture Scam

            • kirill says:

              I wouldn’t be so quick. What we have here is the real world where even “in your face truth” needs to be presented by “respectable” pundits and analysts before it is accepted. The average schmuck can’t apply their own analysis and determine if it is fake or not. In my opinion all the arguments about proportional scaling are BS. It all depends on the f setting of the spy satellite camera and the cropping of the image. I posted pictures clearly showing the result of these two factors. You can dial in and out the background arbitrarily and it will look in focus.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_%28photography%29

              The spy satellites use adaptive optics so the focal length can be dialed.

        • marknesop says:

          The only thing which has changed about their situation, as I pointed out earlier, is their loose and tacit incorporation into the national armed forces, which is only a fig leaf as they continue to operate without impartial oversight and under the control of their own officers, while their freak figurehead, Dmytro Yarosh, continues to move higher in government and to increase his influence over national affairs. Western governments tolerate this although they never openly acknowledge that such influence even exists and rarely mention his name. They are therefore complicit in the Ukrainian junta’s outrages. What do they love to say? Silence implies consent.

      • et Al says:

        A) Where’s the rest of it? – World+Dog understands how the media/PR peeps edit footage to show what they want; b) why the low rez?; c) where are their Azov battalion patches?; d) his arms are bound to the cross with duct tape (don’t want to hurt his wrists?) and no visual evidence that a hammer and nails are used; d) “We are Azov Batallion” is meaningless; e); shouldn’t there be a big of a wood pire at the base of the cross rather than; f) they can’t even light a fire properly; g) it looks like he’s wearing the same combat trousers (relevant?); h) he’s wearing a blue and white Russian military vest (which could have been put on him for propaganda purposes as the Ukropy think this makes you Russian).

        On the other hand, a) the man sounds like he is suffering and there is a sound of ‘hammering’; b) he does get whacked in the genitals by the long fire stick (towards the end); c); being incompetent doesn’t mean they aren’t evil; d) duct tape is convenient – just like how plastic cable ties are used by police, military etc. widely; e) the low rez footage could simply be because they use a basic phone with no GPS (harder to track & batteries last much, much longer than a smart phone); f) however unlikely, we know that animals like these do record themselves doing stuff (as we have seen from photos and videos from Washington’s wars)

        It seems to tick most of the bs boxes in that it purports to show us what we want to see, what we do see is a very poor quality, edited and truncated video.

        By whom, it’s hard to say as for the Ukropy side they have a history of bestial behavior and might think this is clever psychological warfare and I certainly don’t think that Cyber-Berkut are above psychological warfare/dirty trickery either and I’m kind of surprised that the Ukropy nazi batallions are still filming ‘evidence’ like this when they have been schools to STFU about their love of Hitler & hate of the jews/moskal etc. When was the last time one of these soldiers was interviewed by the PPNN and spoke freely? Exactly. So on the on hand they have been very disciplined on keeping quiet, yet on the other we have this. It could of course be ‘old news’ before the clamp down. Cyber Berkut may well have a trove of digital bestiality that they release in a drip-drip method which would mean that they are media savvy.

        Either way, when you cut to the root of it, the PPNN use opponents of Kiev’s reporting of ‘crucifixion’ to ridicule, demean and dismiss any views or alternate views. Just based on this, the video seems highly suspicious.

        But what would I know, I’m only an amateur!

        • yalensis says:

          Internet people are pointing to 2:35 minutes in.
          There is close-up of his hand.
          Not sure, but it looks like the nail really is going through his hand. Assuming it’s a very long nail, because the head of it is quite far up from the hand.
          Looks like they duct-taped his wrists first, to stabilize them.

          Internet people who claim to be experts in crucifixion are saying:
          The nails are technically unnecessary, the duct-tape would have held him up, especially since the cross was built with a foot-rest.

          Nails hammered through palms could be just to “follow the rules of the genre”, as Ilf/Petrov might say.
          Although, again, it is probably a fake, with some Hollywood special effects, to make it look like the nail is through the palm of his hand. Again, the nail, if real, is very long one, more like a spike.

          The part that really doesn’t look fake, is the fire at the end. Looks like it really does consume his feet. If this is Hollywood special effect, then he would have to be a special stunt-man wearing a fire suit, otherwise too dangerous to attempt.

          • et Al says:

            I couldn’t really tell from the video about the nails, but it sounded like it. The fire is real, but stops with the flames licking his feet. Apart from the initial intensity of the flame we know nothing about it being sustained. Everything else is speculation.

            What’s the point of filming it if you cut it off then? That leads to the question of if the video is longer, who did cut it off?

            I can’ help it but I still wear my skeptical hat. Going from simples, this is Azov having ‘fun’, i.e. a bit of light torture and the fire was put out. Then, he really was barbecued. Then it is part of the propaganda war from both sides. If you know something about viral marketing, this seems to tick the boxes too, i.e. release something in the wild until it creates a buzz in the hope that the media picks it up. By whom and to what ends are still the questions.

          • Jen says:

            If nails or spikes actually were hammered through the victim’s palms, shouldn’t there have been a lot of blood coming out?

            The film does look iffy but what then would be the purpose of making such a film? Who is the intended audience, who made the film and why did those people make it? Is this to discredit the Azov Battalion and, by implication, discredit and isolate Ihor Kolomoisky as well?

            • yalensis says:

              Dear Jen:
              To the issue of “not much blood on the palm of the hand”:

              Internet people are saying that if you pound the nail in just the right spot through the center of the palm and avoid veins, then there will be not much blood; or the nail itself will act as a tampon to keep the blood from flowing out.
              I have NO idea if that is true or not, and I have no desire to find out, through experimentation.
              Also: Azov monkeys are such morons that they cannot build a proper fire; and yet they can pierce flesh with surgical precision. (?)

              • Jen says:

                Thanks Yalensis, that would sound right. The Azov men could have punctured the fleshy part of the hand between the thumb and the index finger close to the centre of the palm. They could have used a nail gun as well.

                • yalensis says:

                  Yeah. Having said that, though, I personally think the vid is a fake.
                  I don’t know how they did that fire trick at the end. The “victim” doesn’t have his feet tied (that part is okay with me), but wouldn’t a normal person instinctively try to lift their feet up away from the fire? Instead of just hanging there and letting it lick around his feet?
                  (Other people point out that real butchers would have taken the guy’s boots off first – why waste a good pair of boots?)

                  My personal theory: Azov was messing around and decided to make this fake video. Maybe their American trainers taught them how to fake this type of vid, based on their Isis experience. (Some of what Isis does is real, and some of it is fake.)

                  So that anti-fascist people would believe it and raise a stink. Then Azov can reveal that it was faked and laugh at the people who believed it.
                  Then, next time they do something horrendous and film it, and people believe it, they can say people are gullible. Like a cry-wolf triple-bluff type thing.
                  But I don’t know for sure. How could I know?
                  I just know that if my feet were still free, I’d probably try to draw them up to my knees to get them out of the fire.

                • marknesop says:

                  The wood the cross is made from is probably soaked in kerosene, or at least the lower part of it; there does not appear to be any other fuel piled up around it, but the fire accelerates very rapidly. The guy with his feet in the fire would probably not notice much heat right away, his boots would protect him for a while, and they cut off the film before his clothing caught so you don’t know if that ever happened. I meant to go back and watch it again to see if they had been so careless as to have an extinguisher lying around that was caught by the camera, but I never got around to it. You wouldn’t need an extinguisher if you intended to let him burn to a crisp.

                  It appears to have been made entirely to point the viewer to a certain conclusion, and every gesture is heavy with meaning; not at all like the kind of production when people do not know they are being observed, and are happily talking about painting the garage next weekend while they’re nailing some poor mook to a board. I think the nailing of the hands is fake, too; they made a point of showing them doing it, although you can’t see it, and the hands after, but if they wanted to demonstrate brutality the cameraman would have taken a couple of steps to film it or had the nailer do it from the other side so he didn’t block the shot.

                  I’m sure there was a reason for it but it looks like a fake. Too late, anyway; for better or worse a few sources have picked it up and are publicizing it as just what they have engineered it to look like.

                • Jen says:

                  Well that sounds just like that story about the Google satellite image of the Yukie fighter jet attacking Flight MH17 being a patch-up job to fool people searching for evidence of fighter jet attack.

                  Another possibility is that Azov Battalion is being set up by other parties for vilification with a view to ultimately discrediting and isolating Ihor Kolomoisky. In that crucifixion video, the battalion’s identifying badges are not too clear. Recall recent news that the Ukrainian army is trying to put Azov Battalion fighters into positions and situations where they would be vulnerable to attack by Donbass forces, and even urging the rebels to attack these fighters. So far the Donbass fighters have refused to fire because they know what the consequences might be.

        • marknesop says:

          I suspect it is a fake because everything up to the point the guy actually catches fire could be faked. And we don’t see that, as the video comes to its end just as the fire reaches him. Anyone wishing to record the action for their own ghoulish pleasure would surely want to capture him burning. The hammering of nails into his hands looks convincing because of his muffled noises, but I think the duct tape is to take the weight because the nails would not. The “We are Azov Battalion” does sound totally gratuitous.

    • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

      It may or may not be real, but the chances of that being a military prisoner, as opposed to some unfortunate grabbed at random off the street, are slim.

      • Tim Owen says:

        Squinting a little bit, these are people who lionize the scum that indeed did do similarly horrific acts during the Second World War, as the Polish general helpfully pointed out recently. Then there’s the Kherson and Odessa pogroms, the clear evidence of torture of NAF prisoners, deliberate targeting of purely civil infrastructure, reports of widespread use of rape etc., calls for the deliberate targeting of journalists and that criminalize dissent, targeted assassinations (lauded by the head of the security services – if I recall his position correctly – as a typically “Ukrainian” way of dealing with security challenges. Plus it’s what they’ve sworn to do in the platforms of the organizations whose members make up the backbone of the Naz Guard (and before that, the backbone of Maidan’s “Defense”, a “defense” that included bestial acts against police.)

        It’s best to remember all that when viewing this video. Fake or not, the Ukrainian far-right has proved itself ENTIRELY capable, even pre-disposed to such enraging barbarity.

    • kirill says:

      This is likely a ploy to provoke rebels into retaliation, probably advised by some Doctor Deathsquad like Negroponte, who is now likely retired. When the rebels off some Banderite vermin the western media will go into a hysterical frenzy of demonization. Just like it did during the alleged shelling of Mariupol by the rebels. This very same media systematically ignores the day in and day out shelling of civilians by the Kiev regime forces since the start of the “ATO” and includes the “ceasefire” periods.

  12. Warren says:

    More thoughts and opinions from Mr Taras Kuzio:

    • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

      The whole western media runs the Ukrainian line, and they’re still losing the information war.

      What does that say about the Ukrainian cause?

        • james says:

          i am not sure ukraine is losing the info war.. i would like that to be true… this taras kuzio guy is an interesting character study.. “Taras Kuzio is a Toronto-based leading international expert on contemporary Ukrainian and post-communist politics…” from what appears to be his website and this off wikipedia – “Dr. Taras Kuzio (born 1958 in Halifax, West Yorkshire, UK) is an academic and expert in Ukrainian political, economic and security affairs. He has written articles on contemporary Ukrainian issues.” and further down “In June 1998 he was appointed director of the NATO Information and Documentation Center in Kyiv, Ukraine.”

          definitely an appropriate study given the thread title and content here… – “who you gonna believe” is right! is this bozo getting paid by the canuck diaspora, nato, or harper and neo con central directly?

          • Jen says:

            There are three rules of how to use propaganda in the information war and these are: repetition, repetition and repetition.

            You repeat something often enough through as many different channels as you can and eventually people will believe it.

    • marknesop says:

      I stopped listening when he bleated about the weakness of the Ukrainian PR response, that it was losing against RT which has a bigger budget than the BBC. If there is a bigger crybaby crackpot in Canada than Taras Kuzio, I honestly don’t know who it would be. The BBC budget last year topped £5 Billion for the first time. That’d be 385.8 Billion rubles at today’s exchange rate. RT’s actual budget is about 15.38 Billion rubles, and that does not even outspend the BBC’s World Service alone.

      Western news services are losing ground to RT because they broadcast transparent shite and repeatedly get caught in lies, while Professor Loopy overlooks a huge advantage gifted to Ukie “PR response” – western networks simply repeat it without bothering to validate or investigate any of it to see if it is the truth.

      I also tired quickly of his description of this one and that one as “Russophile”, while he would not for a moment consider himself as a “Russophobe”.

  13. Warren says:

    • kirill says:

      This is what Ukraine needs. The locals have to realize that they were sold swamp land in Florida and have to fight for their rights. Sending in Russian forces to “save” them would only entrench the Banderites more. Bandera-tards cannot provide for Ukraine’s economic well being. They are only good at turning things to crap. They are their own worst enemies and they will alienate the vast majority of Ukrainians.

    • marknesop says:

      They’re slowly getting the message. Too late now, though. They join the Hungarians and the Kurds in having had faith in American promises if they would only rise up and overthrow their leaders. You can only forgive the USA so many times for not thinking things through, and they would pay a far heavier price for their fuckery if it were Americans getting hurt by it.

  14. Warren says:

    Published on 24 Apr 2015
    Ukraine’s is a complex and a multilevel tragedy – as the economy continues to collapse, the Kiev leadership is hell-bent on destroying civil liberties and eliminating dissent. All awhile Washington and its European allies remain largely silent. And the lack of credible Western media coverage is part of the problem. CrossTalking with James Jatras, Mark Sleboda and Domitilla Sagramoso.

  15. Fern says:

    Mark, another terrific post. I think NATO can best be described as an organisation ever in search of a raison d’être. It should have gone the way of the Warsaw Pact in the 1990’s to be replaced by new security arrangements that included Russia. Instead, the Clinton administration threw it a lifeline in the shape of ‘relevancy’ in the Balkan wars as the anti-Serb Hammer of the Righteous and it has served as the air-force of whichever factions the US believes will best advance its geopolitical and economic agendas in various subsequent conflicts.

    I believe it was General Breedlove himself who really publicised this phrase ‘hybrid war’ which, as you point out, is incapable of concise definition and therefore means anything we damn well want it to mean. The same speech introduced the truly insane idea that ‘cyber attacks’ – responsibility for which often lies in the eyes of the beholder – might be the basis for an invocation of Article 5 of the NATO Charter – an attack on one is an attack on all. You gotta love the ingenuity Breedlove brings to guaranteeing himself and his successors job security.

    I’d like to mention another aspect of NATO’s ever expanding brief that I don’t think has been discussed so far – that of ‘energy security’. it was at the 2008 Bucharest Summit when NATO awarded itself ‘a dedicated mandate’ to work in the field of energy security. How that’s played out is best illustrated by this quote from Fogh-of-War Rasmussen, speaking in March 2014:-

    “We must make energy diversification a strategic transatlantic priority and reduce Europe’s dependency on Russian energy.

    NATO summarises its energy agenda thus:

    As most NATO member states depend on energy imports from regions outside the Alliance, they have a vested interest in the security of energy infrastructure in the producing or transit countries……..

    I don’t think it’s inconceivable that NATO will seek to insert itself into the EU/Gazprom dispute. Stationing NATO forces inside Ukraine to ‘guarantee security of energy infrastructure’ in a key transit country is entirely in keeping with the mandate it has given itself. More of NATO’s self-serving crap can be found here:-

    http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2014/NATO-Energy-security-running-on-empty/NATO-energy-security-agenda/EN/index.htm

    • marknesop says:

      Thanks, Fern! I learned a lot writing it. As usual, your response is among the most intriguing, and it’s true I did not touch on energy security just as I did not bring up the importance to the USA of maintaining the American nook-yoo-lar deterrent in Europe. NATO truly has many fingers in many pies.

      Yours is an interesting hypothesis, and I mentioned earlier that Washington and Brussels are desperate to keep Ukraine as a transit country because it virtually guarantees Russia will not let it collapse. Consequently the pressure on Greece to brush off Russian overtures to make it the EU’s gas delivery point will be perhaps more intense than anything we have ever seen. It remains to be seen what they can now offer Greece to entice it – or will it be all stick and no carrot? They will be working on Turkey as well, and anyone who lies along the routes Russia must use to make its plan a reality. But if it manages to fulfill its plan to eliminate Ukraine as a transit country, they’re hooped. Everybody who is anybody in energy has told the world the only way Europe can replace Russian gas is top stop using gas. The USA cannot do it with cheap LNG, the Southern Gas Corridor is just a make-believe dream that will not deliver anything like the needed amounts even if it is built (and so far all the labour has been tongue work), and what did Roger Waters tell us? Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way. More accurately, doing Sweet Fanny Adams but talk the problem to death until the time is gone, the song is over – and then panicking – is the English way. The Brussels way, comes to that. So they will to and fro about magical cloud-cuckoo solutions that will free Europe from Russian gas – encouraged the whole time by Washington, who has nothing to lose – until they are looking down the barrel of huge multinational shortages, with winter coming on.

      Then Washington will begin to whisper in their ear that there is nothing for it but to take what they must have by force.

    • et Al says:

      That’s an extremely good point that you highlight along with NATO’s mission to seek acceptance from its current position of limbo.

      There’s a problem of course with what they want. The Chinese curse of “May you receive what you wish for” is exactly NATO’s problem. Expanding their role means expanding the chances that they will be drawn in to conflict, much the same as taking in eastern Europe and particularly the Baltic states (and the cyber attacks you mention).

      Technically, yes, NATO will intervene, but yet again we have what is written and what actually happens. No-one seriously believes that NATO will launch a war against Russia over the Baltics, not even the Baltics themselves – but that is a total distraction as the real question in that case is that is Russia even interested in doing such a thing. the answer is a resounding ‘No’ but it is useful for Russia to press on that emotive nerve whenever they see fit and to wind up neighboring NATO states. It is very good psychological warfare.

      This is all quite a long way of me saying that NATO suffers from Mission, Creep! What does that tell us about NATO? For all their bluster and dick waving, they are actually in disarray and on the defensive, being offensive being considered their best line of defense. But that doesn’t undermine the underlying facts that NATO simply isn’t fit for purpose militarily or politically. That is also what they are trying to hide from the European public (who are currently being ground in to the economic dust) until NATO comes up with a proper plan.

      Either way, something has got to break. When, where and initially by whom are the questions, but when it comes it’ll be at least a political biggie. So far this year is shaping up pretty well as when it should happen and lead to a cascade of further consequences.

      Now that I’ve said it, it probably won’t happen this year!

      Most of the rest of the world has go on and done what they needed to do since 1989, but the West has sat on its fat, soggy ass lording it over everything in the absence of any opposition, strength through joy (!) and been busy trying to impose its values around the world. It hid the corruption and weakness fairly well until it was unavoidably exposed by the 2008 financial crisis, even though Western failures in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. were already evident. Europe as we know it is at a cross roads of either going down with the US (via TTIP/NATO etc.) or asserting some independence. How bad does the US have to make it for the EU to tell Washington to fk off?

    • Tim Owen says:

      Agree with both Fern – a cracking great piece of sharp and withering analysis Mark – and with Mark: that observation about NATO’s claiming a role re. its member’s energy security is completely new to me. Nice find.

      • marknesop says:

        Thanks much, Tim!

      • Jen says:

        The irony is that the more NATO expands and tries to take on new roles beyond its original remit, the more it becomes hostage to new members’ demands (as we are seeing with the Baltics) and ends up degenerating into a de facto mercenary army for hire.

        At some point in the near future we can expect NATO forces to be fighting UN peacekeeping forces in some particularly unlucky country and that country nowhere near the North Atlantic.

  16. Fern says:

    As an example of making lemonade when life has given you nothing but lemons, I don’t think this snippet from the US’s former man-in-Moscow, Michael McFaul can be bettered:-

    ”McFaul added that for Crimea to ever become part of Ukraine again, it would need to undergo successful economic and political reforms, as well as defeat corruption.

    Yeah, Crimea had better shape-up if it ever aspires to rejoin successful, prosperous, western-leaning, forward-thinking, corruption-free Ukraine.

    However, what’s really interesting is McFaul’s insistence that Ukrainians are responsible for the consequences of their ‘revolution’ – could this possibly be a sign that the US is tiring of its latest client?

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150424/1021349316.html

    • marknesop says:

      Perhaps he was just stung by those demo signs outside the U.S. Embassy – “Thanks for Poverty”. Let’s recall, once more – because I have mentioned it ever so many times since it is my strongest argument that this disaster was all foreseeable by anyone who wanted to look – that by far the greatest number of Ukrainians who aspired for their country to join the EU said so because they believed it would give them a big economic boost; they could have cared less about “democracy”, it was back there in the dust somewhere. A full 42% said “Yes, because it strengthens the economy” against only 14% who said “Yes, because it strengthens democracy” tied with the 14% who said “No, because it is not in the National interest”. Also – interestingly – at the time that survey was taken (Summer 2013, not long before the Maidan idiocy kicked off), double the number of Ukrainians, 20% against 10%, reckoned relations between Russia and Ukraine were “Friendly” as compared to the same relations between Ukraine and the EU. Another 34% said “Cooperative” for Russia, once again well above the EU’s rating of 24%, while only 2% said “Antagonistic” for Russia and 1% for the EU.

      That graph would make me nervous if I were in the Ukrainian junta, because the only thing that stands between the angry manifestation of those sentiments – which are unlikely to have changed much and now have the additional impetus of betrayal behind them – and that junta government being run out of town on a rail is Right Sector and the hard boys in the volunteer battalions, the western-Ukrainian extremists.

      • et Al says:

        Food before freedom? Who would have thunk it? Russians are clearly fools for believing this false choice too, so we are told by the Kreakly…

        • yalensis says:

          Erst kommt das Fressen, dann kommt die Moral!”

          (Or, in the case of Kreakles, other way around: “First comes amoral behavior, and then we decide where to have dinner tonight.”)

    • yalensis says:

      ”McFaul added that for Crimea to ever become part of Ukraine again, it would need to undergo successful economic and political reforms, as well as defeat corruption.

      That’s the same thing Ike said (from his jail cell) to Tina when she left him:
      “That b**** better shape up and get straight before she come crawling back to me!”

      • Tim Owen says:

        You can even translate English to sense. Nice.

      • marknesop says:

        Although I would not credit McFaul with the other-worldly cleverness his devotees claimed he possessed when he was tapped to be Ambassador to the Russian Federation, this is fairly clever as it presupposes a desire on Crimea’s part to return to Ukraine, which may soothe hurt feelings on the western side – there’s nothing like the knowledge, even if it is purely imaginary, that “they rue the day they done what they done” to perk up westerners in a permanent state of high dudgeon over Russia’s impertinent ways.

        Some days I wonder if Washington knows it has gone too far, and is trying to draw back from the abyss. But then the very next day it doubles down with something even more incredible. Its determination to start a war seems to affirm there is no wiggle room left for it.

  17. Pavlo Svolochenko says:

    Gennady Yanayev was a Christian?

  18. Warren says:

    Ukrainian Army Rebuilds, With Allies’ Help

    Published 24 April 2015

    The Ukrainian armed forces have had a baptism of fire in battles with Russian-backed separatists over the last year. But they have been unable to hold on to large swathes of territory, and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says they need to be rebuilt from scratch. This week, U.S. trainers began training the Ukrainian National Guard. British and Georgian forces are also running training operations. (RFE/RL’s Ukrainian Service)

    http://www.rferl.org/media/video/us-ukraine-training-package/26976053.html

  19. et Al says:

    Oil news x2.

    Neuters: Analysis – Venezuela may have missed $24 billion in oil revenue in 2014
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/24/uk-venezuela-oil-revenue-analysis-idUKKBN0NF28A20150424

    Venezuela, struggling to pay for essential items such as food and medicine amid strict foreign currency controls, may have failed to collect about a third of its potential oil revenue in 2014, a Reuters analysis suggests.

    The OPEC member nation likely realized just over $50 billion (32.95 billion pounds) in oil revenue in 2014, according to an analysis of publicly available data and estimates based upon past performances of Venezuela’s oil sector….

    …China has loaned Venezuela more than $50 billion since 2007, to be repaid with crude oil and product shipments. Nearly half of that amount has been paid off, including about $14.5 billion worth of oil last year, according to the Reuters analysis.

    Venezuela and China agreed to change the terms for its debt repayment starting in the fourth quarter of last year, implying fewer barrels were being sent to pay off its debt to Beijing.

    However, the renegotiated deal with China late last year and adjustments to its barter and/or relaxed credit agreements with Cuba and other Caribbean nations create uncertainty as to how much money Venezuela has been finally collecting in recent months.

    The government said in 2013 it received $9.6 billion back from the China Development bank, which was added to its coffers. This money represented the difference between the negotiated price on the oil and the real market price paid by China. PDVSA has not yet released its audited 2014 financial results that contain this figure, making a definitive calculation impossible….
    ####

    China saving Venezeula must stick in Washington’s craw! In their own back yard too!

    Neuters: Analysis – Petrobras overhaul calls for much more than corruption clean-up
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/24/uk-brazil-petrobras-analysis-idUKKBN0NF22N20150424

    Petrobras’ decision to take a massive $17 billion (11.20 billion pound) write-down to account for overvalued assets and corruption-related costs is only the start of a broad overhaul needed to revive Brazil’s troubled state-owned oil company.

    While many have focussed on the $2.1 billion, or 12 percent of the write-down, related to money siphoned off in a price-fixing, bribery and political-kickback scheme – Brazil’s biggest-ever corruption scandal – it is the remaining $15 billion that calls for greater attention.

    Those write-offs reflect bad investment decisions, flawed execution, political interference and falling oil prices, Petroleo Brasileiro SA (PETR4.SA) acknowledged when it released audited 2014 results on Wednesday…
    ####

    With a little help from their friends (Russia & China) to get Petrobras back on even keel (as we have seen with China in Venzuela above), the current problems should be resolvable. I’m sure Washington would like to propose their own solution…

  20. et Al says:

    Neuters: Exclusive – China plans greater yuan convertibility inside and outside FTZs
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/24/uk-china-economy-capital-account-exclusi-idUKKBN0NF11D20150424

    China plans to take a giant step towards making the yuan more convertible by extending a pilot scheme allowing the currency to be traded with few restrictions to all its free trade zones, before taking the scheme nationwide later this year.

    The liberalisation, revealed to Reuters on Friday by three sources with knowledge of the plan, underlines China’s ambition to transform the yuan into a major global currency.

    “Once this is done, this will be a big step forward in opening China’s capital account,” said one of the sources, who all declined to be named as they were not authorised to speak to the media.

    The timing would aid Beijing’s campaign this year to persuade the International Monetary Fund to include the yuan in its currency basket.

    Under the pilot scheme, firms in the Shanghai free trade zone (FTZ) can move the yuan and other foreign currencies in and out of China for capital account transactions. That lets them raise money overseas and bring the funds back to China for real investment – a practice that is otherwise banned in China….
    ####

    A shoe drops…

    • marknesop says:

      The west will try to stop it, because it does not want any major currency it cannot manage, but China has the USA between a rock and a hard place now. China holds a huge amount of American debt, and U.S. investors have billions in China as well.

  21. et Al says:

    Zeit via ArsTechnica: NSA spied on EU politicians and companies with help from German intelligence
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/24/nsa-spied-on-eu-politicians-and-companies-with-help-from-german-intelligence/

    Spies failed to check properly what was being passed across to the US.

    Germany’s intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), has been helping the NSA spy on European politicians and companies for years, according to the German news magazine Der Spiegel. The NSA has been sending lists of “selectors”—identifying telephone numbers, e-mail and IP addresses—to the BND, which then provides related information that it holds in its surveillance databases. According to the German newspaper Die Zeit, the NSA sent selector lists several times a day, and altogether 800,000 selectors have been requested…

    …However, the BND did not inform the German Chancellor’s office, which only found out about the misuse of the selector request system in March 2015. Instead, the BND simply asked the NSA to make requests that were fully covered by the anti-terrorism agreement between the two countries. According to Die Zeit, this was because the BND was worried that the NSA might curtail the flow of its own intelligence data to the German secret services if the selector scheme became embroiled in controversy…

  22. yalensis says:

    Meanwhile, on the SBU front:
    Ukrainian SBU took down that notorious Mirotvorets (=”Peacekeeper”) website, which was basically a rat-fink stoolie site to generate hit-list for nazi death squads.

    If you go to the site now you get a message that says (in Russian):
    Информация блога сайта временно недоступна.
    “The information from this blog site is temporarily inaccessible.”

    The good news is:
    They left their email address up LYS-2-SBU at googleMail

    lyst2sbu@gmail.com

    Just in case you still feel the need to denounce one of your neighbours, or some journalist, as a separatist.

    • marknesop says:

      Apropos of nothing, simply because this is your most recent comment so you will hopefully see it, an interesting article by one of my followers on Karl Marx Updated. I’m afraid I probably know a lot less about him than I should, but on a quick read it is the author’s contention that the Scandinavian free-market society is an ideal mix of Marxism and capitalism. I thought you would be intrigued.

      • yalensis says:

        Thanks, Mark, that’s an interesting piece.
        The writer makes an interesting point about Marx’s expression “commodity fetishism”. Original German word was “Verdinglichung”, or “reification”, “making something into a thing”, which sounds less Freudian (and less perverted) in the original German. When you use a word like “fetishism”, which is a wrong translation, it makes it sound like people are crazy or sexually deviant; like maybe they have sex with the things that they buy in the store. (which, actually, I think some people do take it to an extreme with their iPhones… just sayin’)

        Anyhow, I think over the years the New Left mis-used this expression, to make it sound like Marx was anti-materialistic; opposed to producing commodities and goods. So that they (New Left and Greens, and that type of movement) could plea for the “simple life”, maybe it is better to live on a farm and/or consume less commodities.
        In America, the hippy movement took this to an extreme and thought it would be great to live out on the street, selling flowers, like bums. Then some of them became Manson followers and started killing people. IMHO that is what this “pastoral” philosophy leads to ultimately – mass murder.
        (allude to Khmer Rouge).

        Meanwhile, as far as I know Marx hated farm life, he was a city guy, and he was not at all opposed to commodities. Far from it. As a materialist who didn’t believe in an afterlife; he believed it was best to make this one life on Earth as good as possible for most people. And to live a good life, one needs goods and services. The only thing that bugged Marx, was that workers got “alienated” (by which he meant, “had no ownership or stake in”) from the very goods that they helped to create.
        In conclusion, I think that is what he meant by “Verdinglichung”.

        • Jen says:

          Marx certainly was a city-based fella but not necessarily by choice. He was hounded out of Prussia, Belgium and France and ended up living in London where he, his wife Jenny and their brood of 7 kids (of whom only 3, all girls, survived to adulthood) lived in genteel poverty supported in part by Engels. One of the Marx daughters who made it out of childhood, Jenny Laura, married the French anarchist Paul Lafargue who wrote the manifesto “The Right to be Lazy” which criticises the, er, fetishisation of work as an end in itself and suggests that work as a value in itself serves to enslave workers to capitalists. Ironically the couple committed suicide in 1911 when they decided that, due to encroaching old age, they would not be able to work for socialism any more.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Marx

          • yalensis says:

            Sad story about Jenny Laura.
            From the photo, she looks really cute, though.

            I haven’t read much about the Lafargues. Were they actually “anarchists”, though, or were they communists? (There is a huge difference!)
            According to wiki, Lafargue’s suicide note ended with the words:
            I die with the supreme joy of knowing that at some future time, the cause to which I have been devoted for forty-five years will triumph. Long live Communism! Long Live the Second International.

            Also, wiki says that Lenin spoke at their funeral in Paris and told Krupskaya: “”If one cannot work for the Party any longer, one must be able to look truth in the face and die like the Lafargues.”

            If the Lafargues had been anarchists, then dubious that Lenin would have spoken at their funeral. (Because Lenin did not approve of anarchists.)

            • Jen says:

              The Lafargues were socialist but whether they were Marxist or Communist depended on who was talking or writing about them and at what point in their lives. Paul Lafargue was probably anarchist when young and when he wrote “The Right to be Lazy”, because that tome is as much critical about socialist beliefs about the value of work as it is about conservative and religious beliefs on work, but as he aged he gave up anarchism.
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Lafargue

  23. Terje says:

    Finnish media holding Sanoma has closed a deal to sell a third of its Russian business daily Vedomosti to Demyan Kudryavtsev, the former director-general of Kommersant Publishing House, a source at Vedomosti confirmed today.Sanoma will also sell its full stake in English-language newspaper The Moscow Times to Kudryavtsev, along with a number of other media titles produced by its publishing house United Press.
    The money for the stake in Vedomosti, which is marked at around $6 million, came from a pool of private investors, headed by Kudryavtsev. Kudryavtsev met with number of potential investors, including financial and industrial groups, but none of Russia’s most prominent businessmen were willing to participate in the purchase, Kommersant reported.
    https://calvertjournal.com/news/show/4008/sanoma-closes-deal-to-sell-stake-in-vedomosti-as-law-limiting-media-foreign
    It would be interesting to know where he got the financial backing for this purchase. Kudryavtsev was a business associate of Boris Berezovsky and a loud critic of the Russian government , so don’t expect any change in the editorial line.

    • kirill says:

      But I am told by the western media that Putin runs the media in Russia. I am confused. Please someone at NATO HQ, save me from my confusion. Some trolls need to be removed.

  24. et Al says:

    Some more stuff on what was previously posted by one of us:

    The Intercept: Five Disturbing Things You Didn’t Know About Forensic “Science”
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/24/badforensics/

    Last week, The Washington Post revealed that in 268 trials dating back to 1972, 26 out of 28 examiners within the FBI Laboratory’s microscopic hair comparison unit “overstated forensic matches in a way that favored prosecutors in more than 95 percent” of the cases. These included cases where 14 people have since been either executed or died in prison.

    The hair analysis review — the largest-ever post-conviction review of questionable forensic evidence by the FBI — has been ongoing since 2012. The review is a joint effort by the FBI, Innocence Project and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. The preliminary results announced last week represent just a small percentage of the nearly 3,000 criminal cases in which the FBI hair examiners may have provided analysis. Of the 329 DNA exonerations to date, 74 involved flawed hair evidence analysis…

    …In a landmark 2009 report, the National Academy of Sciences concluded that, aside from DNA, there was little, if any, meaningful scientific underpinning to many of the forensic disciplines. “With the exception of nuclear DNA analysis … no forensic method has been rigorously shown to have the capacity to consistently, and with a high degree of certainty, demonstrate a connection between evidence and a specific individual or source,” reads the report….
    ###

    That uncomfortable feeling you were having whilst reading the piece above was your bowel moving…

    • yalensis says:

      Are you telling me, they have known since 2009 that most forensic science is bogus?
      How disappointing. Sherlock Holmes would be devastated, he was the detective who invented methods of identifying murderers by hair fibers and cigarette butts.
      Thank goodness DNA is still valid, though. Otherwise, criminals could strut around with complete impunity.

      • marknesop says:

        Oh, fingerprints are still pretty good, and analysts would acknowledge in court when they did not have enough points of comparison to make a solid case. But if they have a clear enough print, they can make a pretty convincing case that it was you who did it and not somebody else. Not that they’ve never made mistakes – American authorities made a colossal mistake in 2004 when they arrested Dr. Brandon Mayfield in Oregon for terrorist train bombings in Spain. It didn’t matter that his wife said they hadn’t been out of the country in ten years. It didn’t matter that the Spanish National Police (SNP) said there was no match whatsoever and continued their investigation as if Mayfield had never been arrested; the FBI was sure. Then they had to let him go, and I don’t think they made a friend there. Or inspired a great deal of confidence among Mayfield’s friends, acquaintances and patients. Or anyone who was paying attention, really.

        Fingerprint analysis is hard. It’s harder if you’re stupid.

        • Jen says:

          The KS Australians among us may recall that in the 1980s, when Lindy Chamberlain was on trial for supposedly murdering her 3-week-old baby daughter Azaria at Uluru / Ayers Rock, forensic experts claimed that blood found in the Chamberlain family car was foetal blood and that the baby’s jumpsuit had been cut with scissors. On this and other “evidence”, Lindy Chamberlain was found guilty of murder (and then sentenced to life in prison) and her husband guilty as an accessory to murder. It was only a few years later, when a drunk English tourist fell off Uluru, that the baby’s jacket was found (near the dead tourist’s body where it landed) and the jacket itself was close to a dingo’s den. This helped to overturn the Chamberlain’s sentences in 1988 and Lindy was released from jail. The splatter found in the family car was later determined to have come from a compound sprayed in it at the time of its manufacture.

          • yalensis says:

            I like to think, that with today’s technology, they would know right away that the compound was something other than blood.
            This is why technology is GOOD THING.

            • Jen says:

              Ah but it also depends on the “experts” interpreting the results correctly and not interpreting them in such a way as to fit their own pre-existing beliefs. Some of the evidence in the first trial that was used to convict the Chamberlains had come from a forensic lab worker who was convinced that the Chamberlains really did kill the child and the worker interpreted the results obtained from DNA testing in ways that agreed with her beliefs. The technology could still be good but the information it yields might mean nothing unless it is measured and interpreted properly.

            • marknesop says:

              Technology is a good thing only for so long as it is understood to be a servant, and a helper toward reaching a rapid and accurate conclusion. As soon as you start thinking it is infallible and its results cannot be wrong, you might as well be worshiping a stone or a tree. Man cannot possibly take into account every outside influence or vagary when designing a product, and consequently every system is prone to error or yielding erroneous results.

              I often reminded, when people say “technology”, of a case a read about once and which I’m sure I have mentioned here at least once before. The authorities apprehended some ne’er-do-well for a particular act, of which they were sure he was guilty. But he would not confess. So they told him they were going to give him a lie-detector test. They put an aluminum collander on his head, attached to a wire which ran to the back of the office photocopier. The latter had a sheet already in it which read “He’s Lying”. They would ask him a question, and then press the “print” button. The culprit confessed.

              You’d have to be pretty stupid to fall for that, but as The Refreshments warned us, the world is full of stupid people. And then you have to factor in the occasions when the people who know better say that the technology indicates a certain conclusion just because they want a certain result, and assume nobody will ever check.

              When you think about it, we’re really a species that should not result in too many angels, or in heaven needing to expand due to overcrowding. Most of us are pretty much bastards.

    • marknesop says:

      Why in hell not? They are about to take a vote to impose themselves upon NATO whether it wants them or doesn’t, it’s a very small step from there to “legalizing” the use of mercenaries, which should cause no conflict even though the United Nations says it’s illegal. Because Ukraine founded the United Nations, right around the same time it was digging the Panama Canal and building Hoover Dam.

      just as long as they understand that such a legalization of using mercenaries opens the door to the east using Spetsnaz.

  25. Tim Owen says:

    OT mostly but not in the very broadest picture: update on Grexit from Yves Smith…

    “Greece has engaged in a game of brinksmanship for months, but it looks as if the wheels are about to come off. It’s too easy to second-guess outcomes, but cooler heads had suggested that if a Grexit looked to be inevitable, the Eurozone could take measures to ameliorate the pain. The relations between the two sides are so sour that this sort of conscience-assuaging sop seems inconceivable, unless Merkel insists on it as a statesman-like gesture.

    Greece was almost certain to continue to face harsh times, but the likely outcome looks to be particularly difficult. I wish the long-suffering Greek people the best of luck. They need it.”

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/04/greece-talking-eurogroup-hit-complete-breakdown.html

    Smith is by no means hostile to the Greek position or to Varoufakis. Quite the contrary. But she is realistic about the yawning gap between the logically impossible but deeply held prejudices of Northern Europe and the rational approach of modest reformers such as Varoufakis. (Take that Karl!)

    Of course from the narrow view of the Ukraine conflict the joke is that the supposed battle over the “civilizational choice” is happening at a time when European values as evinced in economic policy have never looked more utterly ill-informed and destructive. Only mouth-breathers like Ukrainian nationalists and long past-due-date cold warriors like Applebaum could possibly be touting the EU train at this juncture.

    But the takeaway really is that if Yves Smith is saying the problems are insurmountable I would take notice.

  26. Moscow Exile says:

    Selling the family silver?

    Feb 27, 2015: Ukraine crisis seen softening political ground for foreign farm land sales

    President Petro Poroshenko, elected last May after protests ousted previous Russian-backed leader Viktor Yanukovich, had considered lifting restrictions on land sales during “long discussions” with World Bank officials, Strubenhoff said.

    But Kiev backed off the move as it feared a backlash from rural communities, he said.

    Ukraine’s Ministry of Agriculture was unable to immediately respond to requests for comment.

    Agricultural land investment in Ukraine

    Ukraine’s agricultural land cannot be purchased, but lease agreements for agricultural land enable as much freedom for performing farming operations as ownership while also providing a primary right of purchase in case of the agricultural land sale moratorium lift and given that pai holders would be willing to sell off their property.

    31.03.15: President Poroshenko initiates discussion on introduction of market for land in Ukraine – Administration

    “The president said the introduction of a land market was one of the most important issues as regards reforms the rural sector.”

    26 April, 2015: Порошенко лишит украинцев земли

    Poroshenko is to deprive Ukrainians of their land

    There has to be land reforms and the selling of their independence in return for the gift of democracy

    ..представитель администрации президента заявил о прогнозе снятия моратория на продажу земли с 2016 года, обещая, что рынок земли в Украине появится “очень быстро”…

    …. a spokesperson for the presidential administration said that a lifting of a moratorium on the sale of land had been forecast for 2016, promising the quick appearance of a land market in the Ukraine.

    Talking of promises, I wonder if Porky has sold his chocolate factories yet?

    He promised he would do so if he was elected president.

    And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    Revelation 6:8

  27. Warren says:

    Book «Neonazis & Euromaidan» is available for download

    published by admin on 03.07.2014 в 15:00

    The book “Neonazis & Euromaidan: From Democracy to Dictatorship” about the role of extreme-right groups in Euromaidan became available for download.

    http://www.cis-emo.net/en/news/book-neonazis-euromaidan-became-available-download

  28. Warren says:

    Putin-backed bikers begin controversial ride to Berlin

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32470726

    • marknesop says:

      The Poles actually have no legal grounds at all to bar their entry. “You make me nervous” is hardly an excuse, especially since large deployments of American troops do not make them nervous. Get over it, you big girls’ blouses.

      • Jen says:

        I wonder how scared the Poles would be if this dude were riding with the Night Wolves:

      • yalensis says:

        They could ban it on the grounds of “noise pollution”.

      • Jen says:

        Perhaps one way the Poles could prevent their entry would be to slap high tariffs on the importation of Harley Davidsons, on the grounds that they would ruin the local motorcycle-making industry (assuming that they have one).

        • james says:

          funny you mention that, as i was wondering what type of bike that was.. hd? looks like it.. think of the fantastic promo for hd with this… i imagine some corporate head at hd screaming in obama’s ear over the cancellation of this event! obviously he was over-ridden..

        • Moscow Exile says:

          Nowt wrong wi’ riding a Soviet bike, such as this Ural Cossack MT-9 “Dnepr” built in 1976 and customised to look like a Ural 650 from the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945:

          The Cossack MT-9 “Dnepr” would for some also be politically correct to ride as they were produced solely in Kiev from 1945 until 1979, hence “Dnepr” and not “Dnieper” – unless you want annoy chef Banderite grammar-Gestapo hag Farion.

          The gun in the above picture is a genuine Degtyaryov DP-28, by the way, and dates from 1944.

          Of course, if they really wanted to bug the Polacks, they could ride a genuine Moskal Ural motorcycle such as this one, made in the Ural Sverdlovsk province town of Irbit:

          The above is an Ural AR-15 in warpaint. Those wiley Soviets just copied a BMW and have basically produced the same machine for the past 70 years.

          Here’s a more peaceful looking Ural:

          Harley Davidsons are overrated, just like Coca-Cola and Big Macs.

          The iconic US motorcycle has forks made in Japan, fenders made in indonesia, wheels cast in Japan, electronics made in Mexico and elsewhere, but certainly not in the Land of the Free, and the Japanese showed HD how to cast an engine that didn’t leak oil.

          Old biker’s gags:

          There are those who ride Harleys, and there are those who ride faster bikes …

          and

          There are those who used to ride Harley’s and there are those who still do but wish they had never wasted their money.

          I used to ride a Norton.

          That firm folded up like the rest in 1980s de-industrialized Britain, although I believe Norton Motorcycles has been resurrected since I left Misty Albion’s shores.

          • Moscow Exile says:

            Forgot to mention above: the girl on the Ural looks like a typically Mongol-Tatar-Finno-Ugric subhuman.

            She would really, really bug those oh-so-civilized and sensitive Europeans if she chugged along Unter den Linden, Berlin, dressed up in that gear and, having passed through the Brandenburg gate, gave the former Reichstag building a cheery wave whilst shouting out “Za rodiny!

            • james says:

              i agree harley davidsons are way over-rated.. it wasn’t until they started adapting japanese technology found in the yamaha ,honda and suzuki bikes, that they started to prove more of a reliable bike.. prior to that, you had to be a mechanic to own one.. now it is a weird hobby/obsession of some baby boomers with a lot of disposable income and nothing better to do who aren’t interested in winnegabo type vehicles i guess..

              norton has a good rep among motorcycle enthusiasts. i used to own a honda, yamaha and suzuki at one point in time.. don’t have a bike now for the past 15 or so years..

  29. marknesop says:

    A moving tribute to Buzina from Dmitri Orlov at Club Orlov. He argues persuasively for Russia to continue to have patience with Ukraine and to avoid being patronizing – which, to my mind, Russia has done a pretty good job of holding thus far – because soon enough the disgraceful fascist regime will be swept aside, and Ukrainians and Russians will be brothers again, while the EU’s dreadfully damaging fumble will frighten the next generation off of closer ties.

    He has a good point and it is important for any possibility of a continuing relationship – with all of Ukraine or only some of it – to not openly rejoice in the country’s misery. Russia was absolutely right to believe Ukraine could not survive without Russian support, but it will not be helpful to let Ukrainians see that in too unsympathetic a fashion.

    Official Russia has done a good job of separating the Ukrainian government and its crimes from the Ukrainian people, and if the latter were paying attention they must know there were a couple of times last winter when it was touch and go whether they froze or Russia offered a helping hand for no thanks whatsoever.

    Still, though, for Orlov’s vision to come to pass reckons without the fascist bastions like Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk. In those cancerous tumors, Right Sector and fascism and Russia-hatred still enjoy quite a bit of support, so far as I know. What will become of them? Are they just going to lapse back into muttering for another century, after having become drunk on power for a couple of years when they were in the driver’s seat? I find it hard to imagine.

    • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

      Many will die, some in battle with the DNR, some on the gallows (does the DNR have the death penalty?), some by disease or hunger. Others will flee abroad, either to Canada (if I’m lucky) or to Australia (if you’re lucky), where they’ll give a boost to a diaspora culture that frankly passed its peak a long time ago (the paucity of Canadian, Australian and American Ukrainians fighting for the Ukraine proves this – even twenty years ago there would have been more, never mind in the 60s or 70s).

      Others will flip and become ardent Eurasianists.

      Just like last time – the only difference will be that, hopefully, the new authority will uproot this species of Ukrainianism permanently, as the communists did not.

      • marknesop says:

        I don’t know how that could be expected to happen, since tests for ideological purity and banning certain parties for not expressing ardently enough the values of the party in power, and making it illegal to express certain viewpoints aloud or in print are the hallmarks of the fascist dictatorship which is in power now. A democratic all-slavs-are-brothers dictatorship would be subject to complaints that it was no better. The western Ukrainians will have to be allowed to go on hating Russians – although hopefully they will all move to Poland when they realize their cause is lost – because you cannot deport people on the strength of their attitude if it breaks no laws. And as long as they remain in Ukraine they will seek to restore their cause to prominence and power.

        I think the best revenge would be the partition of Ukraine, so each could have their own “country”. Then the westerners could become incandescent with hatred if they wanted, could goose-step up and down their streets all day long and scream “Papers!!!” at strangers until nobody ever visited, but could be totally isolated from Russian commerce so that Russia did not have to support them as well as be hated by them. But that would be the opposite of the inclusive forgiveness Orlov calls for, and he’s probably right; at least that is the course Russia appears to be steering.

        • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

          The Russians are fully committed to Ukraine’s territorial integrity, no mistake.

          It will not be easy to root out the Banderite cult, nor to get millions of people bred to hate everything Russian to see themselves as Russians again, but what’s worth doing is seldom easy. Didn’t the ‘experts’ believe that Chechnya could never part of Russia again?

    • kirill says:

      Those “Russian journalists” were probably from the liberast yellow press. Their job is to serve NATO interests so they would not miss the chance to smear Russians by acting like scum. I hope the Ukrainians at the funeral realize this. They are, after all, the victims of yellow, NATO bootlick “journalism”.

  30. ucgsblog says:

    Nice article Mark! I’m surprised that you didn’t mention Matt constantly embarrassing Jen. Also, this is a great summary of Russia’s “Trade Wars”, i.e. Russia telling others to treat Russia like they want to be treated:

    “Denying Ukrainian industry access to its markets; yes, there was one that made me laugh out loud. After Yanukovych broaching the possibility of Ukraine striking some sort of trade deal which would allow it to be a bridge between the European Union and the Eurasian Union and being flatly told by Brussels “It’s us or them” – after volumes of information being made available that warned Russia was not going to be trapped into a position whereby it had to finance the birth of Ukraine as an exclusively European partner, after clear studies that showed not only Russia’s importance as a trade partner but the manifest unwillingness of the EU to buy more Ukrainian goods, it is now dastardly behavior on Russia’s part to close its markets to trade with a country whose government has identified Russia as its existential enemy, put together Maidan rah-rah beat poetry that insists the two countries cannot be allies and vowed to put up a wall along the entire common border. To approving noises from the USA, playing the part of the Roman audience in the stadium, watching gladiators tear each other to pieces for its amusement. Announced by a stuffed-shirt know-nothing from a U.S. think tank which apparently does not know or care that cutting off a civilian population from its water supply is a direct violation of international humanitarian law.”

  31. ucgsblog says:

    Quick question about Ukraine’s economy: is anyone besides the WB/IMF/EC investing in Ukraine? I can’t think of anyone major, and if that’s the case, then it attaches a permanent and growing debt to those institutions, since there will be a run on the Hryvna once their funding drops. So they cannot drop it. Good economics discussion on the matter: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/04/22/this-is-what-european-investors-get-for-investing-268-mln-in-ukraine/

    “Ukraine is becoming a case of throwing money down a rabbit hole.” If that’s how an investing expert start out – ouch!

    • james says:

      i imagine some corporations are ‘investing’ or hoping to reap/rape what ukraine has to offer.. monsanto is an obvious one.. the financial sector will be looking for an opportunity…good question and it would be interesting to know who specifically is..

      • ucgsblog says:

        Ahh yes, Monsanto. They’re following the Ukrainian economic model rather well.

        Kiev: “Russia is super mean in not giving us gas discounts!”
        Monsanto: “California is super mean in not giving us water discounts!”

        What a pair! And like Kiev’s unrealistic expectation, Monsanto is also threatening us with an increase in food prices and shortages of food, if they don’t get discounted water. Shortages of food. In California. I’m guessing being willfully ignorant is a requirement to get hired.

        • Jen says:

          Erm, how about Hunter Biden, he’s on the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings so he must think investing in oil wells in a chaotic war zone must have a pretty good profit outlook despite the risks. He’s sure not fazed about Poland’s failure to find quality shale oil and natural gas and the possibility that US fracking technology might not be suited for Ukrainian conditions.

    • marknesop says:

      For the remainder of 2015, the E.U. intends to borrow up to 6.5 billion euros for these two instruments, and it will turn to the capital markets for the money. If you’re an institutional investor looking for a tax write-off, this may be the place to go to fill in the capital loss fields in next year’s tax returns.

      He’s right when he characterizes it one of the saddest economic stories on the planet. But it’s sad for the ordinary Ukrainians, who are seeing the world crumble around them. Let’s remember that Maidan will only comfortably hold around 60,000 people, and even if you double that and say those crowds were all in surrounding streets, it’s only 120,00 in a country of more than 40 million, most of them bussed in from the west to make up the numbers, just like in the Orange Revolution. There is a variety of tricks that can be called upon to make a cause appear to have popular support, such as polling only in districts where you know it is popular, featuring fresh-faced young people calling for change, you’ve seen it all before. You still see it in the difference in how the economic crisis is perceived – some say straightforwardly that the government is merely skimming the money for itself, while some try on that optimistic boilerplate about Ukraine struggling for democracy through difficult times and trying to make reforms.

      Ukraine is not struggling for democracy; if anything, it is struggling to hold democracy down with a boot on its head while it drives a stake through its heart, and what reforms the government is making are transparently to increase and maintain its power over the electorate while it makes others which are even less popular as it continues to pander to its western extremists which are its power base.

      Investors traditionally expect that money poured into a country will have an immediate salutary effect, or at least arrest its power dive and show the beginnings of recovery. Ukraine continues to plummet, while the monkeys at the controls shunt the money into building up the military with a dream of re-taking the east, at which point everything will b e all right again. Since the west continues to support this fantasy, it must continue to dole out money, which is promptly wasted. The monster the west has created will need regular infusions of cash to keep staggering along because it is not making any money, only spending it. You certainly don’t need to have a PHD in economics to understand that.

  32. Moscow Exile says:

    Quick question about Ukraine’s economy: is anyone besides the WB/IMF/EC investing in Ukraine?

    Seems that some are in the business of encouraging chumps to do so:

    Invest in Ukraine

    Invest ’14 in Ukraine

    • ucgsblog says:

      What a shocker, the first link is selling chernozem.

      “Europe has built a new iron curtain on the Polish-Ukrainian border. While Ukraine lifted visa requirement for EU nationals back in 2005, most of the Ukrainians still have to go through humiliating procedure of visa application, interviewing and, yet, about 20% of the Ukrainians get refused their chance to visit Europe’s Schengen zone”

      Humiliating visa application…

      “Ukrainian consumers’ behaviour is changing to sustainable consumption despite the financial crisis. Without any marketing efforts, Ukrainians are going back to “grandma’s recipes” and village markets or bulk home deliveries for basic fruit and vegetables at prices below supermarkets’ bids.”

      Ahhh, but marketing efforts will cause Ukrainians to buy food with money they don’t have?

      “Mark Ukrainskyj, CFA ∙ Chairman of the Board, NYSSA… Number of participants: 100 persons.”

      That reads more like a comedy reel than a guide to investing.

  33. yalensis says:

    The Washington Post:
    Draft-dodgers and refuseniks are undermining Ukrainian war effort.

    • Fern says:

      The WP article is much more nuanced than its title suggests. It does, for example, acknowledge that people living in eastern areas ‘liberated’ by Kiev are deeply divided with many having sympathy for the separatists/federalists, that no-one understands what they are fighting for and why would you fight for a government that has declared Russia its existential enemy and yet the President of that government continues to benefit personally from continuing business ties with that enemy?

      • kirill says:

        This is the usual grudging admission of a few facts that undermine the NATO narrative. But overall it pushes the NATO narrative. Good propaganda uses the truth to bolster itself. The interesting thing is that there has been a drift towards admission of more facts compared to the brazen parroting of Kiev propaganda spew. Reality cannot be fobbed off in the long run.

        • astabada says:

          Good propaganda uses the truth to bolster itself.

          Precisely. Good propaganda does not rely exclusively on lies, because that would make people stop listening.
          The art of propaganda is to mix half lies and half truths.

          By mixing equal parts of news/noise and truth/lies, those in the public who do not know better, would still taste some truth, and keep swallowing the rest. Who wants to believe instead, can point to the bits of truth and say to the skeptics: “See, I am not eating shit, this is a whole hazelnut! Would one find whole hazelnuts if it were not Swiss chocolate?”

          This definition implies that the West is not doing good quality propaganda. As in every capitalist outfit, the corporate media are trying to sell the product “news” with less and less genuine high cost truth/relevant news, and mix in more and more lies/irrelevant stories. It is this fall of standards that opened a “market” for RT, russia-insider and the alternative media in general.

    • kirill says:

      Boo, hoo, hoo. The WP consigns to the memory hole the fact that over 50% of Ukrainians voted for the Party of Regions and Yanukovich. By definition they are not going to support the radical agenda of the Orangists. The purpose of such articles is to make it look like Ukraine is not in a state of civil war. That it is some few malcontents that are undermining the precious democratic achievement of the Maidan. In other words, this is yet another POS western media piece that pushes the NATO narrative. Namely, that the Maidan was some people power revolution instead of being part of a coup.

    • marknesop says:

      You can see why; the figure of 6,000 dead is certainly low-balled by a considerable amount, and I would suggest it is probably closer to 18-20,000. The UN kept it hovering around 2,500 virtually forever, then very grudgingly let it climb to its present level, but I am confident it is far higher. The west minimizes numbers of dead in conflicts in which it favours the state retaining control, and hugely exaggerates them when it has a regime-change effort underway.

  34. Fern says:

    Apologies if this has been posted before but since it’s NATO-related, it’s worth re=posting here. Earlier this month, Yatsenyuk announced Ukraine would be signing an agreement on military and technical co-operation with NATO because, after all, he and the government of Ukraine, like NATO and its members, are all about ‘global peace’.

    “The government is signing an agreement on cooperation in the field of support with NATO. It is an agreement on support between the Ukrainian Cabinet and NATO, which envisages the implementation of four trust projects with NATO, including military and technical cooperation, communications, new communications and information technologies,” Yatseniuk said at a government meeting on Wednesday.

    He said that Ukraine needed to rebuild its armed forces using the example of the strongest armies and associations which are fighting for global peace, and which adhere to NATO standards.
    “We are moving in this direction,” Yatseniuk added.

    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/259511.html

    Eric Draitser expertly dissects the self-serving BS:-

    “First of all is the completely laughable notion of “cooperation” and “support” with NATO. A global military force employing some of the most advanced weapons systems and battlefield tactics is not exactly in search of a partner as dilapidated, disheveled, corruption-ridden, and generally ineffective as the Ukrainian military. The phrasing is merely a rhetorical flourish designed to save face in front of the already deeply discouraged and humiliated people of Ukraine, while simultaneously obscuring the fact that its military will now be merely an annex of NATO. In other words, far from a “partnership,” Ukraine is entering into an agreement of submission and subservience.

    Second, one should be deeply skeptical of exactly what “technical cooperation” and “communications and information technologies” actually means. Deliberately ambiguous language aside, it seems that Kiev is publicly acknowledging the fact that their entire intelligence gathering and communications infrastructure will be a de facto arm of NATO. Intelligence, targeting capabilities, and more will be entirely dependent on NATO technology and NATO operatives; so much for Ukrainian ‘neutrality.’

    http://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine-partnering-nato-surprise-no-one/6067

    • james says:

      nulands man yats said…”the government of Ukraine, like NATO and its members, are all about ‘global peace’.” they have a funny way of showing it by throwing everything they have into a civil war to the east of where they are… actions, not words.. yats and poroshenkos actions speak much louder then all the sweet sounding, or tearful bullshit they want to let out of their head.. there ass is on their head for display basically…

  35. Warren says:

    Are Croats falling out of love with capitalism? What do these protesters want the government to do? Bail them out? Capitalism does not work that way, maybe the Croats want the security, stability and predictability of Tito’s communist regime?

    • Tim Owen says:

      Anyone in government who could allow a large number of households to denominate their mortgages in a foreign currency is absolutely mad. It’s tantamount to handing economic sovereignty over to currency traders. This kind of financial deregulation is tantamount to treason.

  36. yalensis says:

    This story and video show a fox making a sandwich.

    Backstory:
    It was 29 years ago today that Chernobyl nuclear plant blew up.
    Since that time, the whole area has become an “exclusion zone” in which people don’t live.
    As a result, wildlife has been allowed to flourish.
    The animals who live around Chernobyl have become extremely tame, they do not fear man.

    The video shows some people feeding a fox; the fox is so tame he almost eats out of their hands.
    They give him some slices of bread and sausage.
    The fox stacks the food up into a sandwich, to make the food more portable.
    Presumably he wants to take it all back to his den, but he doesn’t have hands.

  37. sinotibetan says:

    Thanks Mark for a very good article. I think this statement is one of the main reasons behind Western ‘Russophobia’:-

    “Russia will never be regarded as anything but an adversary by NATO because it is too big and powerful for NATO to control – and in the end, all NATO members serve the will of Washington and Brussels. ”

    Especially if Russia ‘freely’ offers her natural resources at rock bottom cheap price, then Russia would be ‘a most trusted and democratic ally’ even if the Russian people starve.

    Talking about double standards, here is an American ‘ally’ in action:-

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/26/us-yemen-security-strikes-idUSKBN0NH04C20150426

    Western media geopolitical ‘analyses’ are so predictable that they are beginning to bore me.

    sinotibetan

    • james says:

      i don’t read the language.. what does it say?

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Vladimir Vladimirovich, deprive me of my citizenship – please.

      • Warren says:

        She is asking Vladimir Putin to take her citizenship away.

        • james says:

          thanks warren and moscow exile.. it would be fun if he did it! she asked and he obliged like the gentleman he is!!!!! what a propagandist she is… she must be a hit in the west where they really like bullshit artists..

          • Jen says:

            Bit demure though isn’t she? Maybe if next time Putin submits to a televised Q&A session and Sobchak charges into the studio and takes a flying leap onto his desk right in front of the TV cameras, purple bikini line showing and all, the way the activist Josephine Witt did to Mario Draghi, and then whacking herself with a Cossack whip for emphasis, she may get her wish.

        • yalensis says:

          Which is risky, unless she already has something lined up, in terms of alternative citizenship.
          It’s like they say: “Never divorce your wife, unless you already have a new wife waiting in the wings.”
          In conclusion:
          Russian citizenship may not be the greatest thing in the world, but it certainly beats having no citizenship at all.

          The moral of the story:
          The one thing in this world you don’t want to be, is a stateless person without a passport.
          Allude to American classic work of literature, “The Man Without a Country” , the story of U.S. army lieutenant Philip Nolan. Nolan made a reckless wish, to be deprived of his citizenship.

          Then, like Old Confucius say, “Be careful what you wish for!”
          Nolan ends up in limbo, and slowly goes mad. In the end, having brainwashed himself into a stupor, he becomes a super-duper American patriot, but at this point there is absolutely nothing he can do about it.

  38. et Al says:

    investmentwatchblog.com via Silver for the People : Big day in Gold: Russia buys more; China may reveal; India buys too
    http://www.brotherjohnf.com/big-day-in-gold-russia-buys-more-china-may-reveal-india-buys-too/

    Russia Returns to Gold With Biggest Purchases in Six Months

    After a two-month hiatus, Russia’s appetite for buying gold is back.

    The nation increased foreign reserves of bullion to 39.8 million ounces, or about 1,238 metric tons, as of April 1, compared with 38.8 million ounces a month earlier, the central bank said on its website Monday. The 30-ton purchase was the most since September.

    Russia, the fifth-biggest holder of the metal, returned to buying gold after taking a break in January and February. The country, which bought gold through the last nine months of 2014, made the purchases to diversify foreign reserves and solve issues related to ruble liquidity, central bank Governor Elvira Nabiullina said in February…

    To be honest, at least one of you has already posted about Russia buying up gold, the only reason I posted this piece was so that I could follow up with this:

    • yalensis says:

      Another perennial favorite:

    • marknesop says:

      Ah, man…I loved those guys. An affinity for that era of Britpop or whatever you call it was an inheritance from my British ex – she was also a big fan of ABC in their heyday, and their singer, too, had a tremendous voice; remember “When Smokey Sings“?

      • Jen says:

        I don’t know “When Smokey Sings” but I remember ABC’s other songs “Poison Arrow” and “The Look of Love”, they were big hits in the early 1980s. Martin Fry was ABC’s lead singer. They were part of a scene known as New Romantics along with Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran, Ultravox (Midge Ure period), Kajagoogoo, A Flock of Seagulls (anyone remember the singer’s odd hairstyle?), Visage, Japan, Gary Numan, John Foxx, Heaven 17 (who revived Tina Turner’s career) and Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark. The Britpop label is usually reserved for British indiepop bands of the 1990s (Blur, Oasis, Pulp, Suede).

        Incidentally the father of Pulp singer Jarvis Cocker used to live in Sydney where he worked as a radio DJ for Triple J in the late 70s when it was on the AM radio band and was a local Sydney music station 2JJ playing hippie music. I think Mac Cocker died many years ago but not before he was reconciled with Jarvis (he had abandoned the family when Jarvis was very young) after Pulp became famous.

        A Flock of Seagulls performing “I Ran” for anyone who does not remember the singer’s odd hairstyle or who missed out (because you were born after 1989):

        • marknesop says:

          My best guess is that he was inspired by a lynx. Yes, I liked them, too, but only for that song; I don’t remember hearing anything else they did. I loved the ABC songs you mentioned, although I was never really a pop kind of guy, as well as Spandau Ballet – Tony Hadley also had a tremendous voice and was a very good singer on odd melodies where it would be easy for the singer to fall off pitch. I really liked their version of “Always Something There to Remind Me”. I liked Duran Duran, too – “Rio” was full of hit material, but after that they began to get too full of themselves. New Romantics, eh? I guess that fits as well as anything else. Better than a lot of the rubbish that’s on the radio today.

          • Jen says:

            Add Holly Johnson (Frankie Goes To Hollywood) singing “The Power of Love” to Martin Fry and Tony Hadley, and we’ve got the Holy Trinity of 80s British pop:

  39. et Al says:

    Asia Times Online: Is the U.S. losing its grip on foreign policy as China rises?
    http://atimes.com/2015/04/is-the-u-s-losing-its-grip-on-foreign-policy-as-china-rises/

    In recent months, the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama scored two modest international successes involving Cuba and Iran.

    The first was the decision to establish diplomatic ties with Cuba after a freeze that lasted over half a century. The second was the decision to come to an agreement with Iran on its nuclear program.

    In either case, the U.S. didn’t come up with ideal solutions. But it has grabbed some positive, short-term benefits that don’t exacerbate existing foreign policy worries. Washington fell short of its desired regime change in these two countries. …

    …The main beneficiary of globalization, of course, was China. The U.S. thought briefly that it could spread the gospel of globalization and dominate it at the same time. It believed it could lay out the rules of the new economic and financial game. Things didn’t go exactly as America wished, however, and one consequence of that was the Asian financial crisis of 1997. It followed a precedent, set in 1992, when a similar storm broke down EMS, a monetary pact in the European Union with a system of semi-fixed exchange rates between some European currencies….
    ####

    Read the rest at the link. It’s nice to see described in one piece how western speculators have sought to undermine/destroy competition to the US’ globalization in its image.

    The demise of the West as a uni-polar leader of the world was always inevitable, but its own actions have accelerated the decline, not to mention this coincides with current third industrial revolution which is just getting started and will be a great leveler and catapult the nimbler nations ahead.

    • marknesop says:

      I hope Graham is not going to drift into staged publicity stunts, as this appears to be when his cameraman intones “the door is closed, and Graham is inside…being assaulted over and over”. But he has a point – it is hard to imagine that any place which advertises itself as a museum and – presumably – is supported by public funds, is “private property” in the sense that if you are not registered for a guided tour you may not enter the building. I can see why they do not admit drunks or obvious homeless bums or people carrying weapons, but surely they must realize that barring people just because they do not like their ideology only causes suspicion that the museum has an agenda or something to hide, or both.

      Just there, Graham is acting a bit as if publicity is going to his head, although it was a good idea to try to get into the museum. But he should have let its curators or whoever they were say their piece rather than shouting them down, and picked at flaws in their logic quietly but firmly. Nazi or not, Bandera is a controversial historical figure and it is unsurprising there would be a museum dedicated to him. It just remains to be seen if that facility is glorifying his memory or is simply presenting facts and leaving the visitor to make up his/her mind.

      • Jen says:

        GP observes that the museum has been set up in a residential flat and that the other people sharing the apartment building are unaware that it exists. It is likely that this museum has not been accredited by the appropriate authorities (local government as well as the relevant arts authority). The question then arises as to who is funding this Stepan Bandera museum since some donors require that the museum must have accreditation from the Arts Council England or be working towards it before it can receive donations. To have such accreditation, the museum has to fill out an Eligibility Questionnaire and submit a study or plan (effectively a business plan) that includes, among other things, how many visitors it expects to receive, where and how its collection is housed, whether the premises are secure for the long-term running of the museum, issues of safety and access for visitors, how the museum’s location affects its neighbours and how sustainable the museum and its collection are if it is to attract donors (who are in effect investors).

        Click to access 3edb023b-f554-11e3-8be4-001999b209eb.pdf

        I can’t see that a museum dedicated to one particular person, especially a highly controversial figure like Bandera, could survive where it is. It would likely attract visitors sympathetic not just to Bandera and the OUN but to pro-Nazi supporters generally and the neighbours are likely to complain to the local council to have it shut down when they see the people who visit and any advertising on display, and hear the conversations (through walls in common). I suspect the museum is simply so-called to get around local planning rules and that it exists to distribute and/or sell propaganda pamphlets and books, and act as a forum for Bandera loyalists to meet, share news and plot terrorist acts.

        • marknesop says:

          Hopefully his report will cause it to be investigated and shut down. He owes them one for screwing up his initial “Save Donbass” effort, and his heart is obviously in the right place.

      • yalensis says:

        I think when the cameraman was saying, “Graham is inside … being assaulted over and over…” – I think that was supposed to be a joke. That dry, British humor.

    • yalensis says:

      This is brilliant.
      What I love most about Graham is just how much he enjoys his job!
      The man is crazy – but in a good way.

  40. Warren says:

    Putin accuses US of backing North Caucasus militants

    In a new documentary focusing on Vladimir Putin’s 15 years in power, the Russian president says communications intercepted in the early 2000s show direct contacts between North Caucasus separatists and the US secret services.

    “At one point our secret services simply detected direct contacts between militants from the North Caucasus and representatives of the United States secret services in Azerbaijan,” Putin said in the film, released by Rossiya 1 TV channel on Sunday.

    http://rt.com/news/253181-putin-interview-us-militants/

  41. Tim Owen says:

    I would have thought that a better approach would be to recreate the torchlit parades venerating him outside of this private museum (whatever that is.) I mean down to the Svoboda party banners and the lovelies bearing his portrait in the front. That would confuse the museum’s owners and certainly piss off the neighbours.

    Or maybe a projected slide show on an adjacent building of his statements interspersed with photos of the barbarity practiced by his followers.

    I think Graham Philips needs to study the “Yes Men.”

    Regardless Philips is right to want to make these people squirm.

    • marknesop says:

      “Regardless Philips is right to want to make these people squirm.”

      Oh, I agree. I just don’t think he did that here. He made them look like respectable people standing on their rights, while he just looked like a grandstanding hooligan, speaking louder than everyone else and trying to push his way in knowing full well he would be physically stopped. I would rather have seen him speak more calmly, let them have their say, and ask them specific questions about their understanding of Bandera’s role in historic events, who provides their funding and that sort of thing. He already had an advantage as soon as they said “Your reputation precedes you”, but he squandered it in overdone histrionics. Now we will not find out what these people’s links are to present-day Ukraine, who provides their funding, where any profit they realize goes and where their exhibits came from. All questions I would have liked to see answered.

      • Jen says:

        GP would have been better off sending his cameraman there alone, with a tiny camera and tape recorder pinned to and inside his shirt or jacket, pretending to be a history student at university studying Ukraine. The cameraman would have recorded all conversations and filmed whatever was inside the flat, and he and GP would have some idea of what the museum’s purpose might actually be.

        • marknesop says:

          True enough, but he might have found himself facing a lawsuit, depending on how the recorded material was used. It is generally illegal to record someone without their permission or knowledge unless it is done by the authorities, with a warrant, investigating a crime which is known or strongly suspected to have been committed.

          • Jen says:

            Fair enough, I hadn’t thought of the legality aspect, though GP could claim in the suit against him and his cameraman that without such illegal recording, the existence of the Bandera museum and its real purpose would still remain secret. If the recorded conversations were to show evidence of attempted recruitment of the cameraman for pro-Banderite purposes, then the museum could come under legislation relating to terrorism. Alternately the cameraman could ask if he could just record conversations and take away material for the purpose of historical research.

            • marknesop says:

              If such evidence were gathered by anyone other than a law-enforcement officer on an ordered surveillance, any defense lawyer worth a pinch of that would motion the judge to throw it out and he/she very probably would. At least that’s the way it is here.

              • Jen says:

                Yes I just did a quick check, the same applies in Australia under Federal and State privacy laws with respect to recording conversations without a warrant. Photos and videotaping are treated differently.

        • yalensis says:

          I thnk GP’s purpose was just to go in and bust these people. He is a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
          I wonder though, who was the girl with him? The one in fancy dress?
          She looked like an extra from one of those Doctor Who episodes that take place in Victorian London.
          She seems to be with Graham, maybe she is his girlfriend, or maybe she is an actress and he hired her to play a part and get into the museum, but I am not sure.
          At one point she tries to say something, in a thick Slavic accent; and Graham shushes her.
          (Well, we all know that he is not exactly a smooth Don Juan with the ladies…)

          • et Al says:

            The real question I want answered by GP is what happened to his beautiful Ukrainian lady ‘Katya’? Was it all over after she locked him out of the car on the Crimean peninsula or did he forget to give her the right cat food?

            I’m seeing a lot of missing cat posters at the mo. Ffs, if people like their pets so much, why can’t they shell out for GPS collars?

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