The Abyss Looks Back: Europe’s Phenomenal Arrogance

Uncle Volodya says,

Uncle Volodya says, “Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”

Today marks a special treat for the readers here, because it is the occasion of Lyttenburgh’s writing debut. Lyttenburgh first appeared here just about this time in 2010, as Carpenter117. I don’t know anything about him, I’m afraid, other than that he is Russian-born and lives in Russia somewhere. Whatever else he chooses to reveal is up to him. As I’ve mentioned in discussion, his English has improved tremendously, although it was always good; I first noticed him elsewhere, on Julia Ioffe’s old blog at True/Slant, which was later absorbed by Forbes. Mark Adomanis was a regular at True/Slant, as well. There’s just something about Ioffe’s patronizing condescension that winds Russians up, I’m afraid.

Today’s post deals with a somewhat higher authority, which is also prone to smug condescension far out of proportion to its own claim to authority – the European Council on Foreign Relations. They appeared in the pillory here not very long ago, as I recall, and I strongly agree that their demonstrated performance suggests decades, if not generations, of dedicated and enthusiastic inbreeding.

What do Russians really think about the way the western allies view them? About their patronizing pseudosympathy? Their one-upmanship snubs, like who doesn’t get to sit at the popular kids’ table at the high-school cafeteria? The outright fabrications as it needles Russia through its popular press while its regulatory councils take their own press’s nattering for gospel?

Pull up a chair, and let’s hear. Lyttenburgh? The floor is yours.

On Europe’s Phenomenal Arrogance

A lot of august bodies have decided to share their thoughts on the current vis-à-vis between Russia and what is colloquially known as “the West”. Most of such “musings” inevitably touches the subject of the current situation in Ukraine, due to it’s being a “hotspot” in the bilateral relations. Most often we are graced by some strongly worded opinions from the veritable Legion of the Free and Independent Western press (), or it might be even a Deep and Thorough Analysis by this or that think-tank, NGO or research facility, sharing with the hoi-poloi of the world their convoluted (and, therefore, unquestionably true) findings on the nature of things they probably didn’t even have any previous personal contact with.

And then we have something… anomalous. And huge. I’m talking here about a report (well, “commentary”, to be precise) of the European Council on Foreign Relations, a rather self- explanatory name for an organization.

The Limits and Necessity of Europe’s Russia Sanctions

The picture below the title of the article shows Moscow’s Kremlin and the snow-covered streets of Moscow. Because –apparently! – it is always gloomy and snowy in Russia. How you gonna argue with such a paragon of Western objectivity on Russia’s portrayal as the Independence Day movie, where there is snow in Russia in July?!

You might say that I’m too nitpicky. Honestly, I’ll cease and desist the very moment the West stops this kind of petty manipulation of public perception of my country.

The article from the very beginning says what it’s about:

To get a clearer understanding of the situation it might be useful to start from the other end – not to ask if the sanctions work, but to first look at the nature of Europe’s problem with Russia and ask what it would take to fix it, or even whether it can be fixed by the West at all. That will allow us to see what role the sanctions can play in remedying the problem – and what the things that sanctions cannot accomplish are.

In short – this article is about judging Russia by the esteemed people of the EUrocracy, and determining – is it worthy of their “mercy”. The author asks her audience,

Do we want Russia to leave Donbas? Give back Crimea? Do we expect a regime change in Moscow? Or do we want Russia to start behaving “as a normal European country,” i.e. one that tries to base its influence on attraction rather than coercion?

with the straightest face possible. Suddenly, Russia became an object of EU decisions, as if Russia now is a member of the EU (it isn’t) or that the EU is some super strong, unified world power capable of really compelling Russia to do it’s bidding (again – nope).

Unfortunately, what follows is the author’s opinion on “the nature of our Russian problem”. The author had a mighty lot of predecessors willing to find a “final solution” for the “Russian problem”. This particular individual, elevated well above her station by the simple fact that she writes for the ECFR, does the most “professional” thing possible – goes full ad hominem not only against Russian president Vladimir Putin (KGB reference included), but to the Russian people as well. You see, for the author of this “commentary”, Russians are just “rent-seeking clients” mobilized against “enemy figures – real or imaginary”. The Russian system of education (in the Soviet era, second to none – now “thankfully” reformed by the West worshiping “democrats”) plus “the state-centric way history and international relations are taught at Russian schools and universities” has contributed to the fact that the EU is “having problems” with Russia.

As a person educated in Russia by the Russian system of education (including Higher Education) I can say that this kind of claim is inaccurate. In the Moscow State University (aka “Lomonosov’s”) our professors took a lot of effort to drive us to the “multi-vector approach” of the history and historiography, taught us of many existing schools of thoughts and research. No one indoctrinated gentle young souls into some Putin-worshiping cult. I can safely claim, from personal experience, that I was educated from a plethora of historical textbooks – including extremely “handshakable” ones, both in school (state run) and at the Uni. Still, I am who I am despite (and thanks) to everything that I’ve learned earlier. So, basically implying that the Russian state is “brainwashing” youngsters in the state-run higher education institutions is a big fat lie. One only need to look at MSU’s (of Lomonosov) Journalism department to see teeming masses of “handshakables” and “not-living-by-the-lie-ers” in the making.

But the article is actually right in one regard – it admits the vast abyss that exists now between the Western perception of the current situation and the Russian one. The author is even sufficiently capable to articulate it correctly:

What makes the current standoff so tense and dangerous is not the reach of Russia’s territorial ambitions, as many suggest, but vice versa – the limited nature of them, and its psychological implications. Moscow sees itself as having given up everything: it has left Central Europe, it has left the Baltic States, not to mention Cuba, Africa and the Middle East, but now the West seems intent on ‘taking’ the last little bit that was left – ‘brotherly’ Ukraine. Of course Moscow takes it emotionally and tries to fight back.

But then, as tradition dictates, the author allows her own ideological bias to distort the rest of the narrative in what might have become an honest attempt to look at the current problem from both sides’ perspective:

The countries in Russia’s neighbourhood – in what one can call the Eastern Partnership area – received their independence semi-accidentally in 1991, when it was promptly hijacked by corrupt elites. Now, their societies are starting to mature and demand better governance, rule of law and more say over their countries’ futures. This manifests in a bumpy, but inevitable evolutionary process that the EU did not launch and does not control, but cannot do anything other than support. Moscow, on the other hand, is fixated on the elites it can control – and therefore bound to resist it. The clash is systemic, and likely to manifest repeatedly as long as the fundamentals remain unchanged.

Calling the multitude of processes that in the end resulted in the dissolution of the USSR “a semi-accident” is an admission of one’s ignorance about the history of every single country of the so-called “Eastern Partnership area”. The author also fails to mention that “societies” (the author obviously likes this term as much as she despises the term “the people”) in some of these countries indeed have found an answer how to reach a “better governance, rule of law and more say over their countries’ futures”. One only has to look at Belarus, Armenia and Azerbaijan. And let’s not forget that Russia itself was “promptly hijacked by corrupt elites”. And what the EU “did not launch… but cannot do anything other than support” were the forces inimical to these governments, which managed, indeed, to bring better governance, rule of law (which was non-existent before) and more say over their countries’ futures (that’s it – they will have more say about it, not some “advisers” from Brussels or Washington).

And then the article lists all the reasons why the West won’t reach any agreement with Russia. The EU will continue to do what it pleases, not giving a damn about Russian concerns over “spheres of influence” because of “the OSCE charter, the principles of the Council of Europe, the founding documents of the EU and NATO and so forth”- even despite the fact that some members of Russia’s elite are indeed ready to strike a deal with them. This sort of sincerity is kinda refreshing, I must say. When a person speaking on behalf of the West freely admits that they don’t care about Russia’s opinion at all, that any real equal dialog is pointless, this sounds both arrogantly prideful and refreshingly new.

But the article also discusses some methods to “fix the Russian problem”! Once again, I’m reminded of some other high-ranking citizens of the “United Europe” of old, who had similar plans. But the new generation is much, much more merciful to the undeserving “lessers”:

Ideally, Europe would want to live next to a Russia that shares if not our values, then at least some of our interests, and uses attractiveness, rather than coercion to win allies and make itself influential. Some experts suggest that to achieve that, we need a regime change in Russia. This would be true if our Russia-problem was rooted solely in the personality of Putin and the nature of his regime – but this is probably not the case. Russia’s dominance-fixated mindset has survived multiple regime changes…

What is needed, therefore, is something much more complicated: Russia’s sincere and extensive rethink of the means and ends of its international behaviour. This is closer to an identity change, than to a regime change. And a lot trickier. While such things have happened in history, the circumstances that bring them about are generally unpredictable and tend to vary greatly – which means that this is not something that outsiders can easily bring about, and achieve a desired outcome.

One of the biggest reasons why Russians resisted so fiercely (and why the common people’s memory preserved it through generations) the many-faced West is because of its desire to “re-make” and “re-model” Russia into forms more suitable to the West. Numerous nomads from the East were up to the usual stuff – pillage, burning, slave taking. But they’ve never dictated to the Russians how they should rule themselves or how they must worship. Only the West did it and by doing it have forever earned the special degree of distrust – confirmed once again by this “commentary” of the EU institution, not intended to be read by Russian “savages” at all. While the author generously admits that “perhaps” Russia doesn’t warrant a “regime change” (which, you must understand, is sort of a norm for the Free and Democratic West – i.e. changing legally elected “regimes” for fun and profit) in Russia, she still argues for an “ideal” Russia without an independent foreign policy; she is arguing for Russia surrendering its security and economical concerns in the name of “appealing to Europe”. Oh, and she also dreams of a Russia which abandons any thoughts of allying itself with China because the EU are the good guys, and China is a “meanie”.

The article is a true hodge-podge of some brilliant epiphanies (for a typical westerner) – when, say, the author argues that the West’s blind support or Yeltsin in 1996 in face of the possible “communist revival” has been unwarranted and even harmful. But then, unfortunately, the author decides to touch upon the subject of Western sanctions, and here we might glimpse the true attitude of “what it’s all about” concerning them:

This implies a wider strategy that consists of boosting the security of the vulnerable EU and NATO members, defending the independence and sovereignty of the EaP countries, and keeping sanctions until the conditions for lifting them – implementations of the Minsk agreements or settlement of the Crimea issue – are fulfilled…

… It is good that the sanctions are linked to concrete demands – return of Crimea and fulfilment of the Minsk agreements. This provides a relatively clear conditionality that Europe needs to stick to. While the Crimea-related sanctions will probably remain in place for the foreseeable future, as a settlement of the issue is not on the horizon, the Minsk agreements are supposed to be implemented by the end of the year.

This is very notable, because in just a few paragraphs a person close to the EU analytical stuff (at least) admits that:

  1. Russia MUST “return” Crimea to Ukraine
  1. b) Russia will be held personally accountable for any failures in implementation of Minsk agreement.

And despite the fact that the author tries to distract us with all her flowery words about “one does not need to make sanctions a ‘barometer’ of Russian behaviour in Ukraine” (because, As Everybody Knows It  () – “Russia is waging a war on the territory in the territory of Ukraine, and about Zero percent of locals actual contribute to it”), while demanding that the EU’s policy “ must consist of a refusal to roll back sanctions before Ukraine has gained full control of its eastern border”. In short – the current Kiev government can do nothing regarding their responsibilities according to the Minsk-2 accord (with the blessing of the EU, it’s implied), but Russia must be held responsible for EVERYTHING. And be sanctioned appropriately, should it falter in its duties. After all, “sanctions should be a slow squeeze that gradually reduces Russia’s freedom of manoeuvre and thereby reminds it of its misdeeds and Europe’s displeasure.

The conclusion of the article, despite the absence of any bellicose terms, reads (at least for me) as a declaration of War against Russia:

Europe needs to be aware that our problem with Russia is long-term and multi-layered. It is clear that the sanctions are not a miracle cure to fix it all, but they need to be a small part of a bigger strategy. They are instrumental in restoring our credibility and possibly fixing a few near- or medium term goals. Getting that right, however, is important, as credibility is something Europe badly needs if it wants to influence processes in the future. Hence the necessity of sanctions – despite all their limits.

Actually, the majority of politically aware Russians won’t find anything “revelatory” in this article. It’s been a “Punchinello’s Secret” that the EU will always skew more on the side of regime in Kiev while reviewing the “fulfillment” of the Minsk-2 resolution. The Official EU (as opposed to its individual members) will always see Russia as an aggressor and the guilty party by default. While the talks about “possible cancellation of sanctions” remain a sort of tasty carrot for some people (especially for some too eager to sell Crimea for a batch of the “true” Italian Mozzarella cheese), the fact remains – the EU will renew its sanctions against Russian at the end of 2015, no matter what.

The sheer gall of claiming that “…Europe would want to live next to a Russia that shares if not our values, then at least some of our interests, and uses attractiveness, rather than coercion to win allies and make itself influential” is astonishing. Since when did the so-called “United Europe” abandon the use of “coercion to win allies and make itself influential”? What has happened to the collective memory of the Enlightened Western Public () (Totally Entitled to Its Own Opinion Even Without Knowing A Thing) about the events that preceded the bloody coup d’etat in Kiev on February 22, 2014?

But, despite all its flaws, I actually like these kinds of “anomalous articles” that sometimes grace the pages of the Free and Independent Western Press (). First of all – some admissions here signify that the so-called analysts in the West are not brain-dead and that they can still understand and articulate some basic things about Russia’s perspective, in the language probably accessible to the vast majority of their target audience. Second – the article is refreshingly honest about the West’s goals and objectives in the conflict with Russia.

Yes, there is some flowery prose here, but the core imperatives are hard to miss. And, yes, I’m using the term “the West” in rather broad definition here. Despite their best attempts to conceal this, it’s rather obvious for anyone with a functioning brain that the EU sanctions against Russia applied (as they claim) due to “the unlawful annexation of Crimea”, “support of militants in the Ukrainian East” or “Russia’s as yet unconfirmed (but we are counting on it anyway!) complicity in the downing of MH17” have nothing to do with any point of the Minsk-2 agreement. In fact, right after the signing of this treaty, the EU decided to prove to the Whole Civilized World that it didn’t bow down to Russia’s demands, and issued yet another batch of sanctions.

But for every Russian who will read this article (and believe me – there will be a fair amount of them), after they get the essence of it, they will realize that this is not some op-ed by the typically “handshakable” Western outlet, that this “commentary” had been published by the Powers That Be of the EU – and that everything written herein bodes nothing good for Russia in the foreseeable future, no matter what. Russians, being the citizens of Russia, tend to react very negatively to some Western countries’ decision to “deal” with them. And the reaction will follow. As it turned out, the Westerners of old (who also had some “long- term problems with Russia”) were truly… mortified by such manner of counter-reaction.

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1,341 Responses to The Abyss Looks Back: Europe’s Phenomenal Arrogance

  1. Moscow Exile says:

    From Fort Russ:

    BREAKING NEWS!

    Hollande and Merkel have made public statements in support of Putin’s proposal’s today to return to the Minsk II Agreement process on September 1st, next Tuesday. The European commitment to salvage Minsk II was reported by Reuters, AP, Tass, and other international news agencies around the world.

  2. yalensis says:

    In Siberia, there is a tribe of indigenous reindeer herders called Nenets.
    The Nenets are also known by the name Samoyeds, which is also the name of that big fluffy white dog, which pulls their sleds.
    The Nenets languages and dialects are said to be distantly related to Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian (=Ural-Altaic language branch).

    Anyhow, in preparation to start the school year on 1 September, this video shows how helicopters fly out thousands of kilometers in the tundra, to pick up just 300 Nenets children and deliver them to school, so that they can be sitting behind their desks, all dapper and eager to learn, at the start of the school year.

    The ideological point of the video is to show, how the Russian government curates the needs of even the smallest nationalities, which go to make up the Russian Federation.
    It’s a fair point, and the Nenets should probably be grateful that they ended up under Russian rule and never crossed the Bering Straight into the New World; otherwise, they probably would have been genocided by European colonists, or ended up on some nightmarish reservation with no hope for the future.

    [yalensis: doesn’t go into detail about the school aspect of things, but I am guessing the children must be boarded while at school? I can’t imagine that they have to commute by helicopter every day, but I’m not sure….]

  3. ThatJ says:

    Germany opens its gates: Berlin says all Syrian asylum-seekers are welcome to remain, as Britain is urged to make a ‘similar statement’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-opens-its-gates-berlin-says-all-syrian-asylumseekers-are-welcome-to-remain-as-britain-is-urged-to-make-a-similar-statement-10470062.html

    ThatJ: Strange, most of the articles in the Western media are wildly supportive of the invasion, whereas the readers are not. What gives? Does public opinion count at all? It seems that the more democratic a government claims to be, the less it represents the will of the people. Russia is more responsive to public opinion than her opponents are to their respective electorates, yet they call the Russian government authoritarian and deem its leader a “populist”, if not a despot. The most upvoted comments are…

    For the record, as seen just now in the Guardian, the Hungarian government have said that if anyone CUTS the new border fence, they will automatically be jailed for 4 years.

    Why is this not happening in Calais? Why are all the other countries able to defend their interests but NO ONE in authority will defend the interests of the United Kingdom!

    And

    Congratulations Germany… you have condemned Europe, and without a vote being cast.

    On the plus side, if this doesn’t get us out of the EU nothing will…

    Merkel and Hollande plan EU-wide response to escalating migration crisis

    Two leaders meet in Berlin after Macedonian forces allow migrants through border and up to Serbia, on their way to Hungary – first state in Schengen zone

    […]

    [In Hungary] cutting the fence – due to be completed in its first phase by the end of the month – will be punishable with up to four years in prison.

    […]

    Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European commission, said the failure to be more generous and sharing on the refugee issue created a Europe he did not want to live in.

    Germany’s social democrat leaders warned that public opinion would turn against the EU if Germany was left with more than one third of those seeking asylum in Europe, while many other countries, mostly in eastern Europe, admitted minimal numbers of refugees.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/24/angela-merkel-francois-hollande-eu-wide-response-escalating-migration-crisis

    ThatJ: Orban, Hungary’s honorable leader, knows how to deal with the invasion. But I’m afraid he’ll not be around forever. The next plan of the EU agenda (and US agenda for that matter, I’m most certain that Washington and Brussels are working together) will enter in action soon: demographically homogeneous countries in Central and Eastern Europe will be targeted. The US government uses religious organizations as middlemen — NGOs that cannot issue legal papers, so you know where the plan comes from — to bring foreigners to previously homogeneous cities. Regarding the Guardian article, even many a Guardianista is disconcerted:

    Global financial collapse will solve this problem. These economic migrants wont be so keen on the UK when we have 20% unemployment and no Welfare budget for them. Bring it on China.

    And

    Just shows the whole EU empire run is by these two. They have totally jointly fucked the whole EU after Greece fiasco.

    I am wondering, is a global crisis such a bad thing? I hope it comes — after Russia wins in Ukraine — so that the current rotten politicians paying obeyance to the Deep State are swept from power.

    • marknesop says:

      Yes, the population in Hungary is just mushrooming out of control. Oh, wait – it’s not. Hungary’s population reached a record low of 9.21 million in 1949. Right now, it’s at 9.86 million and dropping rapidly.

      I realize that just because you are losing population does not mean you need to throw the gates open and let everyone in. But you can see why the UK might be a little concerned.

      It’s just a guess on my part, but I think Orban might be more concerned about outflow than inflow, and a big honking fence is his way of getting a handle on the former, while concerns about the latter are just the smokescreen he uses to achieve it.

      I’m delighted, though, to hear that Juncker will be leaving Europe. Roll on the election to choose his successor, before he changes his mind.

      • ThatJ says:

        Ban the pill, the rubber and abortion, and fine any establishment selling/offering them.

        These things should be considered an environmental hazard somehow, considering their effects on the society that adopts them. Starting from North America and passing through Europe all the way to Japan, the birth rate is low, and this is creating imbalances in the ecosystem that are threatening our continuity, so it’s a serious matter.

        We are part of the ecosystem, if we ban x chemical from being used on food, if we ban x practice because it’s bad for the environment, then I don’t see why the pill, the rubber and abortion are still legal.

        I would make exception for abortion in four cases: 1) rape 2) threat to mother’s life 3) incest 4) serious congenital defect. On-demand abortion, regardless of the stage in the pregnancy, would be absolutely banned.

        Welcoming non-continentals will not solve Hungary’s birth rate problem.

      • Jen says:

        I’m inclined to agree with Mark that the fence Hungary is building around its border is designed more to keep its people from leaving in search of jobs and better lives. Keeping out refugees and illegal migrants appears to be a red herring that’s been exaggerated deliberately to mask the real reason for the fence-building. We see Estonia and Latvia, both under austerity rule and also wanting to ghettoise themselves, and they have problems with declining populations.

        It seems to me that the EU countries with the most nationalistic politics, and suffering from economic austerity policies imposed from outside, with the consequent shrinking of the economy, jobs and employment, cutbacks in social, educational and health services, and degrading infrastructure – because government spending and re-nationalising essential utitilies and public services are seen to be “Soviet”, “Russian” or “un-European” – are the ones facing dire demographic collapse as their young people vote with their feet, and the fence-building is an impulsive and crude reaction to stop emigration.

        Restrictions on birth control will not solve the demographic collapse; they can only paper over the real problem which is deep-seated.

        • ThatJ says:

          Restrictions on birth control will not solve the demographic collapse; they can only paper over the real problem which is deep-seated.

          It’s not deep-seated at all, there’s no lack of sex, but there are means to prevent its natural consequence (pregnancy) of occurring. I am sure that prohibiting the pill, the rubber and abortion would be enough to increase the fertility rate to above 2.11. Other advantages are less sexual debauchery and more young couples. Many young people today have multiple sexual partners ‘for fun’ and no commitment. This would greatly decrease with a ban on birth control, and investment & commitment would return to our societies.

          • yalensis says:

            Dear ThatJ:
            Once again, I urge you to do something constructive with your time.
            Assuming that you yourself are not engaging in “sexual debachery” (god! I hope not!), then that obviously leaves you lots of free time to draft legislation.

            Hence, here is your new homework assignment:
            Draft some legislation and present it to your candidate, Donald Trump.
            The legislation will include: Banning all forms of birth control, condoms, abortions, etc.
            Once he becomes President, Trump will want to present this legislation to Congress.

            Oh, wait, I just remembered: America is a multi-racial society, and you only care about WHITE fertility.

            Okay, so here is a modification to the proposed law:
            Every American citizen MUST submit a DNA sample to the government.
            If it is determined that are *cough cough* not exactly white, then they ARE allowed to use birth control. Nay, ENCOURAGED to use birth control. Perhaps even forcibly sterilized.

            However, if they are of Nordic stock, then they must reproduce like bunnies. So, no condoms or pills. Heck, the government should even FORCE them into breeding camps, whether they like it or not.

            Now please get to work drafting that law!

          • Jen says:

            No, the real problem is lack of government spending in education, health and welfare services, other forms of support for families, and lack of government investment in essential infrastructure (like utilities and transport) and all the other foundations for a functioning modern industrial society that enables democracy to exist. This is due to governments having been hijacked by individuals and institutions pushing an essentially anti-modern ideology in which entire societies are to be pushed back into ignorance and illiteracy, and adherence to religions and belief systems that support repression, mass ignorance and poverty so that small elites can grab resources that rightfully belong to communities and derive power from theft and enslaving others.

            I do not see that birth control has led to more so-called sexual debauchery. Sexual debauchery existed for centuries before the Pill and other modern forms of birth control existed. Some of the worst examples have occurred within the Christian Church, especially in some of the more conservative groups that exhibit cult-like characteristics in isolating members from their wider communities and enforcing a double standard in forcing women and young people to submit to repressive sexual mores while older married men could pursue affairs, marry several women at once or indulge in serial marriages to progressively younger women. In Roman Catholic countries, it was not unusual for priests to rape nuns and for nuns to kill and bury unwanted babies born as a result of such rape.

            Japan has a low fertility rate in part because the government there has pursued policies that are hostile towards women and many women in that country either prefer to stay single or leave Japan altogether and marry foreign men. Japan was also very slow to approve the use of the Pill (legalised only in 1999), yet quick to approve Viagra for public sale when it first appeared. Yet birth rates in Japan began declining in the 1970s and have done so since. The high cost of living and the fact that people live in small dwellings in overcrowded dormitory suburbs of major cities (especially Tokyo), necessitating long hours of commuter travel, restrict people’s ability to have more than one child.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#/media/File:Bdrates_of_Japan_since_1950.svg

    • yalensis says:

      demographically homogeneous countries in Central and Eastern Europe will be targeted. (…)

      Dear ThatJ:
      This one sentence shows your COMPLETE AND TOTAL IGNORANCE of European geography and history.
      There is not one single nation in Central or Eastern Europe which is “demographically homogeneous”. Each nation is a patchwork quilt of different ethnic groups, religions, and languages.

      In fact, name one single nation in in Europe in general which is “demographically homogeneous”. But particularly in Central and Eastern Europe.
      It just ain’t so!

      • ThatJ says:

        In fact, name one single nation in in Europe in general which is “demographically homogeneous”. But particularly in Central and Eastern Europe.

        The Baltics, Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Belarus, etc.

        They may not be ethnically homogeneous, but they are racially homogeneous, except for the Gypsies. By your standard, Germany of 200 years ago (or its component states) was not demographically homogeneous because there were Franks, Saxons, Swabians, etc.

        You suffer from the same mentality that affects liberasts. Let me quote myself:

        Not all immigrants are created equal. I recall a comment I read in the Guardian a long time ago. A correspondent decried the immigration of Muslims into Britain, but he himself was an Englishman living in Scotland. He was attacked, for he too, the readers reminded him, was an immigrant. I think this bizarre attitude which is so pervasive among Guardianistas and fellow travellers is a byproduct of internationalism and lofty living; degrees of commonality are all but ignored.

        An ethnic Pole who might happen to live in Belarus is not the same as, say, a Bantu or a Saudi.

        • yalensis says:

          Dear ThatJ:

          Well, of course, if you are allowed to make up your own definitions (as to what defines, say, demographics), then you can say anything and prove anything.

          Hence, you define “demographically homogeneous” as = to “racially homogeneous”, and then since you also allow yourself to define what is a race, and what is a compatible race (= people whom YOU like and feel comfortable with), then it all works out for you just perfectly. Although somewhat solipsistic and definitely not scientific.
          But no matter, that’s just you spouting b.s. anyhow.

          • Fern says:

            I hesitate to step into this debate but I’ll just put the tip of a shoe in to make this point. London is one of, if not the, most diverse cities on the planet which has absorbed wave after wave of immigration. Poles and other east Europeans are relative latecomers and I’ve observed that attitudes to their non-white fellow citizens tend to range from uncomfortable to outright racist. In fact, a former work colleague of mine, a third generation Brit from an Asian background, was told to ‘get back to where he came from’ by a Polish guy who pranged his car. What would be the fate of any migrants allocated to these countries and what kind of forces are going to be stirred up there by the presence of migrants?

            • yalensis says:

              Dear Fern:

              Yep. Moving migrants into countries like Poland and Latvia definitely is NOT a good idea.
              They wouldn’t even be safe there, and it is dubious that nationalist governments would protect them from local pogroms.

            • Jen says:

              The difference is that London, founded as a port city by the Romans, later the seat of government for Roman Britain, and continuing as a port city and city of administration even after the Romans left the British Isles, has attracted immigrants, industry, jobs, the prospect of wealth and people in an endless series of positive feedback loops. The important thing though is that for such loops to continue, the bedrock has to be continuously nourished by governments: governments have to provide the political stability for the institutions and networks that enable people to trust in one another, trust that the other party will deliver goods and services or pay for them, trust that the systems and institutions that exist today will exist tomorrow and this time next year and in a decade.

              The EU cannot simply dump migrants in poor countries with rundown or degraded infrastructure and transport networks, where industry and employment prospects are poor, governments are discredited because they pursue policies that have the opposite result to what they promise, and as a result people turn to populist parties that beat the nationalist drum and encourage scapegoating of minorities as the solution to all their problems; and expect that the mere presence of minorities will suddenly turn their new host societies 180 degrees in another, better direction. The legacy of Communism may also mean that most eastern European governments are averse to pursuing policies that would preserve what is left of public welfare which would enable different groups of people to live and work together.

              • Moscow Exile says:

                London existed as a British Celtic tribal capital before the Romans made Brythonic southern Britain a Roman imperial province. After Rome at the beginning of the 5th century CE abandoned its province Britannia, the Romanised city of Londinium fell into ruin as Germanic tribes began to settle in even greater numbers in the former Britannia: they had already begun to settle in what is now East Anglia before the Romans left, 4th century precursors of illegal immigrants, perhaps.

                The Angles, Saxons, Frisians and Jutes avoided abandoned Roman settlements. Perhaps they had a dislike for all Romans; feared them, thought them wicked, degenerate, immoral – I know not what. A common myth amongst believers in the Old Religions at the time was that Christians offered blood sacrifices to their god and practised cannibalism:

                Take this, all of you, and eat of it: for this is my body … Take this, all of you, and drink from it … for this is the chalice of my blood

                Accipiter et manducate ex hoc omnes : hoc est enim corpus meum … accipite et bibite ex eo omnes : hic ast enim calix sanguinis mei.

                Christianity was the state religion of the Roman Empire by the time the “Anglo-Saxons” began to arrive in Britannia and those pagans did not like what they heard of it …

                The seven Old English kingdoms each had their turn as top dog, the last being Wessex. Kong Offa was the first to call himself king of the English and his capital was not London: Mercia is now the English midlands and its capital was Tamworth.

                King Alfred the Great of Wessex had his capital at Winchester, and the administrative centre of England was only moved fom Winchester to London as late as 886, when it was recorded in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle that London was “refounded”. Before Alfred’s decision to move his capital to London, there had existed for about 300 years an English settlement near the ruins of Londinium known as Lundenwic(pronounciation: loondoonwich).

                Perhaps the English were loath to build their main city on the deep, wide and tidal Thames because of the Viking threat and it is notable that Alfred’s only moved his capital to London after the English had finally come to terms with the Danes.

                • bolasete says:

                  which does bring up the possibility that we should consider imperialism not as an anglo pursuit but a german one. and looking to the east it was little german princess sophie who copped the crimea for the rooskies!

                • Moscow Exile says:

                  Those Germanic tribes that moved westwards in the 5th CE were not on an imperial mission: this movement of those who eventually became known as the English was all part and parcel of what German historians label as “die Völkerwanderung” – “The Wandering of the Peoples”. These Germanic tribes were pushed eastwards by Slavs, who earlier had been pushed out of their original territories by Germaic tribes moving east. This domino-effect of peoples moving westwards across Europe was triggered off by the westwards movements of ferocious Asian nomads: the Huns and others of their ilk.

                  Those Asiatic barbarians again!

                  Is there no stopping them?

                • Cortes says:

                  Probably the English were afraid the eastern branch of the Celts might come calling to claim their inheritance…

                  http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/mysterious-celtic-mummies-of-the-gobi

        • ThatJ says:

          @yalensis

          I don’t make any definitions. Similarities and differences are easily observed by the naked eye, but if you want something more scientific, you can always rely on genetics. “Ethnicity” can be considered a modern substitute for “tribe” anyhow, and closely related peoples did wage wars against each other in the past (and today). There was a motley of Germanic tribes in the past, many of whom are today just “Germans”, “Dutch”, “Danes”, &c.

          From Darwin Revisited:

          The following observations in The Origin regarding the nature of evolutionary competition provide valuable clues as to why civil wars occur, why the French make jokes about the Belgians, the Norwegians dislike the Swedes and the British go to war against the Germans. Darwin wrote that ‘the competition will generally be most severe between those forms which are most nearly related to each other in habits, constitution, and structure’ (1968: 165).

          ***

          This one is big. It shows Russians being more related to Poles than to Ukrainians, though I’m not privvy to the methodology.

          • yalensis says:

            Dear ThatJ:
            Well, obviously, all this is must be leading to some proposed legislation, no?
            Clearly, your idea is that “demographic homogeneity” (defined as racial closeness, defined by DNA percentages) should be the determiner of immigration.
            So, based on the Hungarian example… well, I don’t actually see Hungarians up there in your chart, Huns speak a Ural-Altaic language, but their DNA probably doesn’t match (much, any more) their original origins or language…. I stipulate that they are probably close to German DNA, but anyhow, my question is, what is your CUT-OFF number for allowing immigration?

            For example, here is some draft legislation which you can work on:
            “Any individual wishing to live in County X must match the following DNA patterns with deviation allowed only up to .1%…” [.2% ? .3% ? etc.]

            In other words, if you are going to determine immigration and everything else by race and DNA, then you need to get very specific, very scientific about your metrics. “Visual observation with the naked eye” won’t cut it, it’s too subjective, because the “naked eye” of each immigration official might be different from the “naked eye” of the next guy over. If you’re going to determine everything by race, then you need to have real numbers. So you better sit down and think this through, draft your proposed legislation, etc.

            Oh, and while you’re at it, can you please get your own DNA tested and post the results here? I would be interested to see what your personal percentage deviation is from the average chimpanzee.

          • Jen says:

            Jeez, I thought Norwegians disliked the Swedes because (a) Norway was given to Sweden as a colony in 1814 as compensation for losing Finland to Russia (b) Sweden collaborated with Germany during WW2, and (c) Swedish heavy metal bands are crap compared to Norwegian heavy metal bands but get more attention outside Scandinavia.

            • marknesop says:

              Hey, that’s true, you know. Yngwie Malmsteen is a Swede, and he’s just a big fat slug who looks like Roseanne Barr coming off a hamburger binge, and every song he plays is just an extended lead solo from beginning to end. Sure, he’s amazingly talented and there’s nobody in the world who can play that particular style as well as he can – but mister, get over yourself. Put some vocals in between the solos, at least.

          • ThatJ says:

            @Jen

            Swedish heavy metal bands are crap compared to Norwegian heavy metal bands but get more attention outside Scandinavia.

            Dimmu Borgir – Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse [ Oslo, Norway 2011 ] From TV

            • Jen says:

              That Dimmu Borgir collaboration with the symphony is so lame. These days, the Norwegians don’t do heavy metal all that well. Out of all the northern European countries, the Finns do it the best, and out of all the western European countries, across the main genres (doom, death, black) the Finns still do it best.

              Reverend Bizarre – one of the great Finnish bands!

          • marknesop says:

            Looks very scientific. You can always tell the real scientists – they’re the ones who devise a method to see which modern human groups are closest to chimpanzees in habits, constitution and structure. Coincidentally, studies done by white people pretty consistently place white Europeans at the opposite end of the scale from chimpanzees. Funny about that. Wait – I think you dropped your hood.

            • ThatJ says:

              One of the persons responsible for that research, as can be seen in the image, is Roychoudhury, which is an Indian surname. Search Homo Erectus on Google Images. And then search Neanderthal.

              I agree with the skeptics who say that the “Out of Africa” theory which postulates that “modern humans” have “common origins” in a not-so-distant past is bollocks.

              The third image (linked) is from 23andme, a reputable genetic testing company.

              • Jen says:

                The genetic differences as expressed in fractions of percentages and quoted in the Nei and Roychoudhury study are quite small and all they really tell you is that genetic distance more or less corresponds to geographic distance. Also if we are not privy to the methodology used and the size of the population samples tested, then we don’t know if what the scientists did can be considered valid.

            • yalensis says:

              That chart of DNA variations comes from this site, probably another ThatJ favorite. If I were doing a study and running the numbers, I would probably want to get a second opinion, before using a dodgy site like that. Or at least have them show their methodology.

              Still, skimming the site, doesn’t look quite as awful as the mpcdot.com site, which basically just screams “n-word n-word!” in everybody’s face.

              I suppose you could call it the difference between high-brow and low-brow racism. (sort of like the difference between ThatJ and an actual chimpanzee)..

        • Oddlots says:

          “An ethnic Pole who might happen to live in Belarus is not the same as, say, a Bantu or a Saudi.”

          Well that might more sense if both Poles and Belarusians didn’t happen to live in the killing fields of Eastern Europe. For groups that are apparently kith and kin by your telling Europeans certainly don’t seem to get along too well do they? (I particularly appreciate you calling out the Gypsies as the outliers. Very classy.)

          I hardly think that the introduction of, say, some “Bantus” or “Saudis” – Saudis (WTF?) would change the situation except for the better by your lights. The – cough – homogeneous population could take a pause from hating each other and find common cause in hating the visible to the “naked eye” outsider.

          Is Europe running out of gypsies to beat up. I was not aware.

          Classic that you’d post this shite on a comment thread to an article entitled: The Abyss Looks Back: Europe’s Phenomenal Arrogance.

          The supreme irony is well laid out here:

          “BERLIN – For many centuries, Europe was a continent plagued by wars, famines, and poverty. Millions of Europeans were driven to emigrate by economic and social deprivation. They sailed across the Atlantic to North and South America, and to places as far away as Australia, to escape misery and seek a better life for themselves and their children.

          All of them were, in the parlance of the current immigration and refugee debate, “economic migrants.” During the twentieth century, racial persecution, political oppression, and the ravages of two world wars became the predominant causes of flight.”

          Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/eu-migration-crisis-by-joschka-fischer-2015-08#eJlopGhOz5xGFMwd.99

          My parents were “economic migrants” just like Tony Abbot’s. And like Tony’s, their transition was so seamless – thanks to preferential treatment for British subjects – that they reflexively think of themselves as indigenous, like Tony Abbot.

          That’s privilege don’t you think? If my parents could move back and forth from Britain to Canada about three times in the 60s based on job prospects why on earth should, say, a Jamaican family, as a Commonwealth citizen, not do the same moving back and forth between Jamaica and Britain?

          Face-palm: ahhh fuck, I keep forgetting you are a bat-shit-crazy racist.

          Because they’re – to the naked eye – black!

          The difference between being a democrat and a fascist is actually, I think, quite simple. The anti-fascist stance is that we are “all in the same boat”, as Gertrude Stein suggested. In contrast fascists are all about perceived superiority and dominance.

          You are a vile human being.

          • ThatJ says:

            Joschka Fischer is a Green party politician. The German Greens are the scummiest people that can possibly exist in a democracy, if we can call what they get away with “democratic”.

            All those countries that you mentioned were European dominions. You don’t make the connection, do you? I’m not saying whether it was right or not, but that’s how the world operated until recently, and it wasn’t only us who did it.

            And this fucker, Joschka Fischer, touches a hot button which I knew he and his ilk are prone to do: accuse Russia of being aggressive, which, to his surprise, doesn’t strike a chord with Europeans as much as the threat of demographic dispossession and extinction do:

            And yet many Europeans feel threatened once again, not by Russia, which is aggressively pushing outward against its neighbors, but by refugees and immigrants – the poorest of the poor. While hundreds of boat people have drowned in the Mediterranean Sea this summer, voices have emerged in almost every corner of Europe, 26 years after the fall of the Iron Curtain, calling for isolation, mass deportations, and the construction of new walls and fences. Throughout Europe, xenophobia and open racism are running rampant, and nationalist, even far-right parties are gaining ground.

            Well, guess what Fischer, I would gladly welcome Russian “invaders” because I favor demographic integrity over territorial integrity.

            • yalensis says:

              Dear ThatJ:
              Well, I wish you COULD get to experience a Russian invasion.
              No, it will never happen, unfortunately, Russians are too peace-loving for that, but it would be funny if it did.

              You’d probably be locked up pretty fast, because the Russian government has laws about hate speech. You wouldn’t be able to spout off so much under Russian authority.

              Oh, and by the way, you never did respond to my proposal that you draft some anti-immigrant legislation for Europe. It’s easy to spout off, harder to do some actual work.
              So, here is your homework assignment:

              Draft some actual racist legislation, as if you were proposing it to the EU, and as if people like you were actually in power in the EU and were receptive to your ideas. (i.e., a utopian scenario, from your POV).

              Use actual numbers, like quotas, DNA percentages, etc.
              Example:
              “Germany will only allow X migrants annually, and only if their DNA pattern is within Y% of the following pattern (etc.) Every person requesting an immigrant visa must provide a DNA sample so that it can be checked against that pattern.”
              (etc.)

              You can use that chart you have of DNA percentages, and how different each group is from chimpanzees. For these purposes, we’ll just temporarily stipulate that the chart is correct, although for the final draft, we would want to check those numbers.

              Go get ’em, tiger!

          • ThatJ says:

            Oh, and by the way, in that leftist site there’s a column by this man of dubious reputation:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutherland

            Project Syndicate has a leftist bent, but the big names featured there are, as far as money is concerned, capitalists. I think that the intent of the website is to capture a leftist audience solely based on social and cultural critiques, i.e. the “culture of critique” that Kevin MacDonald has written about. Sutherland is known to lobby for open borders:

            Sutherland is chairman of Goldman Sachs International and is a major player in the Bilderberg group. He is particularly loathsome character who, as “UN special representative on migration,” has been a strong advocate for the dissolution of all traces of European national identity based on a common peoplehood and a common culture

            See: EU should ‘undermine national homogeneity’ says UN migration chief

            And: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/07/globalists-and-neocons-two-potent-forces-opposing-the-assad-government-in-syria/

            Fischer is a hypocrite. The Greens are the first to oppose population growth in the West because of environmental concerns, saying that Westerners pollute the world and all that nonsense, but then they say we are having too few children and thus we must welcome immigrants. It’s a catch-22 situation. Weimar Germany would be considered a fascist country compared to what these madmen propose.

          • yalensis says:

            “Darwin wrote that ‘the competition will generally be most severe between those forms which are most nearly related to each other in habits, constitution, and structure’”

            If Darwin was right about that, then it sort of craps all over ThatJ’s nationalist agenda in any case. His “vision” (if one could call it that) is to see all the “white nations” of Europe getting along like best friends and joining hands to keep out the bugaboos.

            But you don’t even even need to read Darwin, to see that the fascist “nationalists” NEVER CAN get along with each other. Polish nationalists hate Ukrainian Banderites; Russian nationalists hate Polish nationalists; the French hate the Germans; etc etc.

            ThatJ is trying to tell them: “Forget all these differences, forget all the blood that ws spilled in the past, white-skinned people, unite!”

            Wait! Here, I just wrote a slogan for him:
            “White Nationalists of the world, unite in the Nationalist Internationale!”

            (ROFL-LOL!)

            • marknesop says:

              However, he has enjoyed marked success toward his goal, which is wrenching the discussion once again onto what he wants to talk about – welcome to ThatJ’s blog on Muzzie and other substandard groups’ Immigration and White-Land-for-the-White-Man issues. If I could open a private chat room and put the both of you in it so you could bash one another, I would. As I have said more times than I care to count, he only has to utter the magic words “Kevin MacDonald”, and suddenly everyone wants to discuss genetics. Fine; let group opinion prevail. When you’re done the race wars, someone wake me.

            • Moscow Exile says:

              Well Hitler got round this nationalist conundrum by saying that all the European nations had a common enemy – you know who: der ewige Jude!

              Figures!

              Those Nazis got so tied up in knots over the convolutions of their racist theory, that when the Japanese became part of the Axis – and the Japanese are most definitely not “”white Europeans”, not to mention “Aryans” – then Himmler set up a research programme to prove that the Sons of Nippon were a lost Germanic tribe.

              A case of searching for “evidence” to support one’s dogmas.

        • ThatJ says:

          @Oddlots

          The ignored human side of Tony Abbott:

          That’s his policy. Of course it’s a half-measure, but much better than what is being done in Europe’s case. Indeed, Europe is doing the inverse: individual countries send their navy ships to pick up the invaders as soon as they are found within few kilometers from North Africa’s shores. Instead of returning them, we bring them right home.

          • Jen says:

            The vast majority of people who enter Australia illegally do so by plane and the highest numbers of illegal migrants are students or long-term residents who originally came from the US and Britain and overstay their visas. Some of these people have been here for decades.
            http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/more-than-62000-people-living-illegally-in-australia-20141226-12dxod.html

            As for Tony Abbott, his approval ratings are so low that he may not even last his first term as Prime Minister, let alone have a shot at a second term. His popularity in his own party has never been rock solid and he is only Prime Minister simply because he got one or two extra votes in an internal party leadership poll over Malcolm Turnbull, whom many people don’t like because while he is 200 million IQ points ahead of Abbott, he does come across as Lord Snooty.

  4. et Al says:

    Independent: Inside rebel-held Ukraine, where a small pocket of nationalists hope of a life without Russian interference
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/inside-rebelheld-ukraine-where-a-small-pocket-of-nationalists-hope-of-a-life-without-russian-interference-10475513.html

    Five miles inside rebel-held Ukraine, 40 worshippers are attending mass. At this distance from the front, the rumble of war is barely audible but the scars of recent conflict are all too visible. Stray timber planks hang, partly dislodged, from the chapel and the ground outside it as well as the nearby blocks of flats are pitted with the holes made by mortar shrapnel….

    …The open expression of Ukrainian nationalism – and, by implication, for the government in Kiev – can be dangerous in the pro-Russian separatist “people’s republics”. The Greek Catholic church, officially tolerated alongside the pro-Russian Moscow Orthodox church, is considered pro-Ukrainian, and thus a target for repression. For the most actively pro-Ukrainian of the parishioners, it is but one more risk in a life increasingly ruled by fear, repression and violence…
    ###

    Blah, blah, blah! Try being someone with ‘separatist’ views in western Ukraine. Lustration, invasions by Right Sektor thugs in the businesses or anyone suspected of such views and quite often because they simply can and then all the evidence uploaded to youtube by the Ukrainian nazis themselves. But hey, let us not get things out of perspective. The ones in the west deserve it, the ones in the east don’t.

    I’ve also noticed that the Independent is starting to syndicate stories from the US. Whether is goes as far as the Guardian, we’ll see…

    • marknesop says:

      “We naturally want to get the political environment back to a state where sanctions can be lifted,” Merkel said Thursday in a speech in Vienna. “We have so many international problems to tackle that it would be desirable to return to constructive cooperation” with Russia, she said.”

      Eat it, Merkel. Solve your own problems – they’re not Russia’s problems any more. You’ll know when they are.

      • Fern says:

        This, in a nutshell, is why the EU, in its present form, needs to be dissolved and then revert to being merely a trade organisation. The intellectual calibre of its so-called leaders is not very high and they simply don’t have the smarts to get themselves out of the messes, cock-ups and disasters they get themselves into. Europe and the world is very lucky there are cool heads in the Kremlin – were the Russian political elite mirror images of their European counterparts, we’d be at war by now.

        • marknesop says:

          You should run, Fern – you can see further into a brick wall than Dave when you’re dead drunk, and you could run circles around the current crop of political faceaches. Just because the entire political class in Europe is a write-off does not mean everyone in Europe is stupid. There’s probably a lot more opposition than you think – it’s just that the options are hammerhead A or hammerhead B.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          It has been mentioned by several observers already, that the West does not realize how lucky it is that Putin is President of Russia. I suspect that there are some in the corridors of power here (Siloviki -“hardliners” perhaps) who would have had the Ukropie banjaxed in Donetsk and Lugansk provinces from the very start.

          See: Are the Kremlin Hardliners Winning?

          No doubt such action would have pleased those who so often see “Russians” thrown under buses in those Ukrainian provinces.

          The above linked article is from the New York based Institute of Modern Russia, a totally neutral organization devoted to freedom and democracy and “Mom’s apple pie”, whose president is Pavel Khodorkovsky, no less, son of “Russia’s Nelson Mandela”.

          A Soros foundation I should imagine.

          Linked in that IM Russia article is this New York Times beaut:

          Russia’s Move Into Ukraine Said to Be Born in Shadows

          The day after he returned from the Winter Olympics, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia gathered the 12 members of his national security council for a crisis meeting to manage a political implosion in Ukraine that, by all accounts, had surprised Russia’s political and military elite and, above all, infuriated Mr. Putin himself.

          One prominent member of the council, Valentina I. Matviyenko, chairwoman of the upper house of Parliament, emerged from the meeting declaring that it was impossible that Russia would invade Crimea, yet a couple of days later Russian troops were streaming into the peninsula.”

          Russian troops were streaming into the peninsula?

          Is that or is that not a bare faced lie?

          Perish the thought!

          • Cortes says:

            The “reportedly ” and “seemingly ” bits were vain attempts to achieve the impossible: polish a turd. Make up any old cack and swirl it around and it remains cack.

  5. Moscow Exile says:

    Remember Sackoshit’s bloody awfully fitting suit that he wore in Odessa the other day?

    Well apparently, some suspect he was wearing his trousers back to front.

    Саакашвили вышел на люди в брюках, надетых задом напередКомментарии

    Zoya Kazanzhi, former advisor to the erstwhile Odessa Governor Igor Palitsa, has shared this photo, which, according to her, “made her evening”. The picture shows the current head of the Odessa region, Mikhail Saakashvili, dressed in trousers that inevitably drew attention to themselves: Kazanzhi has suggested that the ex-President of Georgia presented himself before the people “with his trousers on back-to-front”.

    “This shot made my evening: to the left, the mayor of Odessa is standing next to the Governor. The impression is that the mayor is going to lose consciousness, and the Governor is wearing his trousers back-to-front. What funny fellows!. Only the cop keeps silent”, wrote the former assistant to Igor Palitsa in her Facebook page.

    • marknesop says:

      No; impossible. Well, certainly not accidentally – I could see it if they were like track pants or something, but there’s no way you could go to zip up and not notice the zipper was behind you. Maybe he’s put on so much weight that he had to cut the waistband or something.

      Still, looking at the photo – and I feel a little sorry for Saakashvili, it must be tough not having an excuse not to eat everything you like, such as you can’t afford it – it definitely does look like he has the seat in front, doesn’t it? The contours are just all wrong for the front.

      What a maroon.

      • Jen says:

        You can kind of imagine the mayor of Odessa standing a little behind Saakashvili, holding his head in embarrassment because he sees the zipper starting to descend by itself and maybe a little red tie emerging (I mean a real little red tie emerging, I’m not talking figuratively). Saakashvili, more and more a creepy overgrown chipmunk, looks as if he’s just stuffed someone’s notebook down his trouser front. (Maybe he’s reverting to his original animal genotype because the Dr Moreau experiment is wearing off.) The Police Academy guy looks as if he’s got something stuffed up his end.

        • Moscow Exile says:

          Yeah, perhaps wearing them back to front is a regular habit of the Georgian half-wit, brought about by his having once caught his widger in a fly-zipper and being too dumb to realize that a button-fly would prevent such an unfortunate incident from happening again.

          The wannabe Police Academy arse-hole has got a hard-on as he fantasizes himself as wearing a Waffen-SS uniform.

          • yalensis says:

            Is it possible that Saak’s balls are just SO HUGE that they drag down the very fabric of his trousers?

            • Jen says:

              Naah, below the waist he’s built back to front. That must be why the mayor is covering his eyes … he sees the fly at the back undone, and a weenie sticking out.

          • marknesop says:

            I thought everyone looked quite sharp except for him. Even Porko knows enough to dress so as to minimize his cattle-car displacement.

      • Cortes says:

        He should have consulted these guys:

        http://www.atailoredsuit.com/mens-trousers.html

      • Moscow Exile says:

        Maybe a pissed up slut of the day/week pulled them onto the drunken retard when he was still in bed that morning before packing him off to the rally and he was too arse-holed to notice?

        • marknesop says:

          He certainly dressed as if he meant to give that impression. See any “Dynamic, energetic, preppy graduate of Columbia” there, folks? He looked like he had been pulled through a hedge backwards, as my second wife liked to say.

  6. yalensis says:

    Valentina Lisitsa has found a clever way to fight against KLM.
    Based upon only one complaint against her, KLM banned her music recordings from their in-flight entertainment classical musical channel.

    In response, Valentina has collected a series of complaints about the airline showing the in-flight movie “American Sniper”. If KLM do NOT ban this odious movie (which they probably will not), then they will have proved themselves to be holding to a double standard, politically. Which this will illustrate to the world.

    In addition, the Dutch will prove to the world that they still coddle Nazis. Just as they did during WWII, when their fealty to Nazi Germany forced Anne Frank and her family into hiding.

    One could even say, that the Dutch were responsible for the death of this talented young girl, Anne Frank. And that now they are just repeating their own history, by backing the Ukrainian Nazis and persecuting Valentina Lisitsa. Who is now subjected to death threats from some very scary and ignorant people.

    • kirill says:

      I don’t understand the Dutch hate for Russia. It is in some ways worse than the British hate. Neither of these countries has any cause for such sentiment.

    • marknesop says:

      I think Poroshenko is simply such a dolt that he doesn’t bother to check anything. We’ve all been burnt once or twice by sloppy research, but smart people learn from it. Poroshenko is the epitome of the “I’ve got plenty of money; why should I read?” type

  7. ThatJ says:

    Where is Neo When We Need Him

    Paul Craig Roberts

    In The Matrix in which Americans live, nothing is ever their fault. For example, the current decline in the US stock market is not because years of excessive liquidity supplied by the Federal Reserve have created a bubble so overblown that a mere six stocks, some of which have no earnings commensurate with their price, accounted for more than all of the gain in market capitalization in the S&P 500 prior to the current disruption.

    In our Matrix existence, the stock market decline is not due to corporations using their profits, and even taking out loans, to repurchase their shares, thus creating an artificial demand for their equity shares.

    The decline is not due to the latest monthly reporting of durable goods orders falling on a year-to-year basis for the sixth consecutive month.

    The stock market decline is not due to a weak economy in which after a decade of alleged economic recovery, new and existing home sales are still down by 63% and 23% from the peak in July 2005.

    The stock market decline is not due to the collapse in real median family income and, thereby, consumer demand, resulting from two decades of offshoring middle class jobs and partially replacing them with minimum wage part-time Walmart jobs without benefits that do not provide sufficient income to form a household.

    No, none of these facts can be blamed. The decline in the US stock market is the fault of China.

    Full article: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/08/26/neo-need-paul-craig-roberts/

  8. Warren says:

  9. ThatJ says:

    What Race Were the Greeks and Romans?

    Recent films about ancient Greece such as Troy, Helen of Troy, and 300, have used actors who are of Anglo-Saxon or Celtic ancestry (e.g. Brad Pitt, Gerard Butler). Recent films about ancient Rome, such as Gladiator and HBO’s series Rome, have done the same (e.g. Russell Crowe). Were the directors right, from an historical point of view? Were the ancient Greeks and Romans of North European stock?

    http://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/

    • marknesop says:

      I’ll take Chimpanzees for 300, Alex.

      • Cortes says:

        Didn’t a Gibbon tell us all we need to know about the Romans?

        • Moscow Exile says:

          Only about the decline and fall of their empire.

          A Roman told us about our Teutonic forebears though, albeit some think he over-egged the pudding as regards their mores so as to shame his kinfolk over what he perceived as their degeneracy.

    • yalensis says:

      ha ha!
      After 1000 words of commentary and speculation, one of the commenters just cuts through the crap by suggesting they test ancient DNA. Of which there is an abundance (probably in museums).

      • Jen says:

        I should think that modern Greeks are actually more blonde than they were in ancient times because about 1,400 years ago the entire mainland of Greece (including the Peloponnesian peninsula) was overrun by Slavs – something that modern Greeks don’t like to talk about much. Therefore many Greeks have some Slav ancestry and the ones who can claim not to are ones from the islands, because the Slavs who came had no knowledge of sailing.

        • Cortes says:

          Robert Graves’s works contain many references to sacred prostitution in Greek societies which appear to be oblique clues to the ruling classes seeking ways to improve the gene pool. Captains of vessels from distant parts for example enjoyed congress with the temple prostitutes who were daughters of the rulers.No doubt Graves’s references were nonsense and intelligent rulers inbred like the Pharaohs.

          • Jen says:

            Also if the Greeks portrayed their gods with blonde hair and fair skin, that does not necessarily mean a hearkening back to a past history of domination by an elite with lighter hair and skin colouring. The blonde hair could simply be a way of demonstrating that the gods are other than human, and that their appearance indicates their divine nature. If Zeus was god of the sky, then naturally all his children should have blonde or red hair to indicate their celestial status and origin. The blondeness also indicates their fiery essence, and that they are not of the earth, in the same way that haloes and having wings denote the fiery or spiritual nature of angels in Christian mythology.

            Other cultures portrayed their gods with several heads and arms or green or blue skin but no-one says such imagery means that once upon a time such cultures were ruled by Cthulhu-like beings.

    • ThatJ says:

      @Moscow Exile

      A Roman told us about our Teutonic forebears though, albeit some think he over-egged the pudding as regards their mores so as to shame his kinfolk over what he perceived as their degeneracy.

      Would this Roman be the historian and senator Tacitus?

      ***

      [I]n Chapter 7, Tacitus describes their government and leadership as somewhat merit-based and egalitarian, with leadership by example rather than authority and that punishments are carried out by the priests. He mentions (Ch. 8) that the opinions of women are given respect. In Chapter 9, Tacitus describes a form of folk assembly rather similar to the public Things recorded in later Germanic sources: in these public deliberations, the final decision rests with the men of the tribe as a whole.

      He also records (Ch. 19, “Sanctity of marriage”) that adultery is detested and very rare, and that an adulterous woman is shaved of her hair and exiled by the community regardless of her beauty. To limit childbearing or to kill children (abortion) is considered criminal. “In Germany good morals (customs) are worth more than good laws.”

      http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Germania_%28Tacitus%29

      ***

      Tacitus’ views certainly cannot be applied to modern Germans. Oriental morals are now dominant, thanks to decades of American occupation and re-education. The US and its entertainment industry are to a large extent in Oriental hands, and due to the sheer power of the US and its institutions (let’s face it, the US is an imperial country), this culture has unfortunately pervaded Germany (among other countries), affecting especially the Western Germans, but the Eastern Germans are getting there, too. This disparity reflects the relative lack of political correctness in Eastern Germany, where nationalist demonstrations against genocide are more common. Western Germany has been thoroughly corrupted with Oriental influences.

      The ‘degeneracy’ of the Romans, as lamented by Tacitus, has been combated in Germany before Hitler was even born:

      ***

      [T]he earliest Europeans tended toward simplicity in dress and appearance. Adornments were used solely to signify caste or heroic deeds, or were amulets or talismans. In ancient Greece, jewels were never worn for everyday use, but reserved for special occasions and public appearances. In Rome, also, jewelry was thought to have a spiritual power. Western fashion often was used to display rank, as in Roman patricians’ purple sash and red shoes. The Mediterranean cultures, influenced by the East, were the first to become extravagant in dress and makeup. By the time this influence spread to northern Europe, it had been Christianized, and makeup did not appear again in northern Europe until the fourteenth century, after which followed a long period of its association with immorality.

      […]

      Long before the Third Reich, Germans battled the French on the field of fashion; it was a battle between the Aphrodisian culture that had made its way to France, and the Demetrian placement of woman as a wife and mother. As early as the 1600s, German satirical picture sheets were distributed that showed the “Latin morals, manners, customs, and vanity” of the French as threatening Nordic culture in Germany. In the twentieth century, Paris was the height of high fashion, and as tensions between the two countries increased, the French increased their derogatory characterizations of German women for not being stereotypically Aphrodisian. In 1914, a Parisian comic book presented Germans as “a nation of fat, unrefined, badly dressed clowns.” And in 1917, a French depiction of “Virtuous Germania” shows her as “a fat, large-breasted, mean-looking woman, with a severe scowl on her chubby face.”

      Source:

      Nazi Fashion Wars
      Part 1: http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/01/nazi-fashion-wars-part-1/
      Part 2: http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/02/nazi-fashion-wars-the-evolian-revolt-against-aphroditism-in-the-third-reich-part-2/

      ***

      Regarding the impact of Oriental influence in the US, you can read this partial letter penned by H.P. Lovecraft in 1933. It’s about New York City, which the author describes as having been lost to the “cultural fabric” of the United States, but of course today the problem is worse, it’s national — and thus international, because of America’s preeminence in the Western world, as I noted previously.

      • Moscow Exile says:

        You should read what the 10th century Arab traveller Ahmad ibn Fadlan wrote about the Rus’!

        They are the filthiest of God’s creatures. They have no modesty in defecation and urination, nor do they wash after pollution, nor do they wash their hands after eating. Thus they are like wild asses. When they have come from their land and anchored on, or ties up at the shore of the Volga, which is a great river, they build big houses of wood on the shore, each holding ten to twenty persons more or less…

        It wasn’t all so dire a description, though:

        I have seen the Rus’ as they came on their merchant journeys and encamped by the Itil. I have never seen more perfect physical specimens, tall as date palms, blond and ruddy; they wear neither tunics nor kaftans, but the men wear a garment which covers one side of the body and leaves a hand free. Each man has an axe, a sword, and a knife, and keeps each by him at all times. Each woman wears on either breast a box of iron, silver, copper, or gold; the value of the box indicates the wealth of the husband. Each box has a ring from which depends a knife. The women wear neck-rings of gold and silver. Their most prized ornaments are green glass beads. They string them as necklaces for their women.

        The Remarkable Account of Ibn Fadlan

  10. ThatJ says:

    French Intellectual Finds Anti-Semitic “Zombie Catholicism” Behind Paris “Charlie Hebdo” Marches for Secularism

    As you may have noticed, Europe is currently under siege from huge numbers of Middle Easterners and Africans, the parents of the next generation of car-be-que youths and kosher supermarket shooter-uppers, trying to move in. But that’s not the real problem, the real problem is that some natives, whose ancestors thought of Europe as “Christendom,” are not happy about this.

    From The Guardian, an article about the new bestselling book Who Is Charlie? by French historian Emmanuel Todd, an expert on how family structures historically varied across Christendom, in which he sniffs out hereditary blood guilt even among pro-Charlie Hebdo demonstrators in favor of secularism.

    […]

    Todd’s central argument is that there are fundamentally two Frances. There is a “central” France, including Paris and Marseille and the Mediterranean, where there is equality on the family level and a deep-rooted attachment to secular values of the French revolution and the republic.

    I.e., the Good French.

    Then there is a France of the periphery, for example, the west or cities such as Lyon, which has stayed true to the old Catholic bedrock, where people may no longer be practising Catholics, but they’re still infused with all the social conservatism of that Catholicism, its hierarchies and inequality.

    I.e., the Bad French.

    Full article, highly recommended: http://www.unz.com/isteve/french-jewish-intellectual-finds-anti-semitic-zombie-catholicism-behind-paris-marches-for-secularism/

    The murdered white reporter used the words “swinging” and “field”, and as NYT notes:

    But in the twisted mind of Virginia gunman Vester Lee Flanagan II, they were pure racism — and saying them became a death sentence for Alison Parker.

    Read the article for the rest…

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/victim-wasnt-racist-so-she-didnt-deserve-to-be-murdered/

    This is what an enthusiastic crowd sounds like:

  11. ThatJ says:

    Kiev reorganizes 22 military brigades in Donbas, plans to create 12 more

    “Legislatively the strength of Ukraine’s army has been set at 250,000. In the east of Ukraine the required defense groups have been deployed. The 22 existing brigades have been reorganized and twelve new brigades are about to be formed. Under state defense contracts the army has received more than 1,300 pieces of military equipment,” Kushnir said. The Defense Ministry has created a center for development and material support for the Ukrainian armed forces.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/816409

    Gee, I wonder why the junta would do that!

    • marknesop says:

      I wonder where they think they are going to get the manpower to make the military half again as large as it is now? Considering, you know, that the last mobilizations wave came up short by 40%, and they have been having increasing trouble filling their quotas. What is the intent here – that Ukraine is just going to be a mailed fist for NATO, and that NATO will pay it mercenary wages to keep it grinding along? Where is the enterprise that fills the tax coffers going to come from if so much of the country’s young manhood is in the army?

  12. Warren says:

  13. Warren says:

    • marknesop says:

      “Ukrainian troops who entered the city found themselves surrounded by pro-Russian insurgents…”

      Which was particularly evil considering they had just come in their embroidered shirts to bring gifts of bread and salt, and offers of a lasting peace. What?? That’s not what happened? The Ukrainian troops were attacking?? Well, then, I have to ask what they expected.

      It’s astonishing how infrequently such “massacres” take place when you don’t use a military attack as a negotiating tool, and instead see if you can do a deal that more or less satisfies everyone. And if I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard that outrageous lie that the easterners agreed to a humanitarian corridor for the retreating Ukrops and then fired on them when they were defenseless, I could buy a large pizza with everything on it. To the very best of my knowledge that did not happen, and Kiev used the myth as a part-offset for their murderous losses.

  14. yalensis says:

    The purges cannibalistically eat their own:
    Saakashvili announced 2 days ago that he was initiating a thorough purge of the Odessa police force, whom he called a “criminal syndicate”.
    Then yesterday the Odessa Chief of Police was fired and arrested: a guy named Oleg Makukha.
    A guy whom Saakashvili himself appointed not more than 2 months ago!

    Makukha is charged with the following:
    (1) Receiving $23,000 worth of bribes,
    (2) Providing “krysha” for unlawful businesses; and
    (3) Secretly keeping Russian flags and insignia in his home.

    The latter which proves, according to Saakashvili, that Makukha was just waiting for the Russian tanks to arrive, after which he would whip out the Russian flags and switch sides.

    • marknesop says:

      That’s Ukie-style! I just pointed out yesterday on the Kyiv Post that everyone who starts to notice something smelly about the Yatsenyuk government, after they are appointed as a shiny new corruption fighter, is straightaway accused of corruption himself and unceremoniously fired. And the moonies who admire Kiev’s uncompromising anti-corruption stance dutifully applaud and say to one another what a stellar anti-corruptionist Yatsenyuk is, he just cuts them off at the knees, just like that.

      Gordienko, appointed to fight corruption, promptly reported that Yatsenyuk’s government appeared to have misappropriated 7.5 Billion hryvnia. Shokin, the most recent fire-ee, said that his office had commenced a criminal investigation based on the charges, which was probably the kiss of unemployment for him right there. Gordienko was sacked, and the charges seemed to disappear. Then came Bilous, another stellar corruption fighter, in the tax office. Although Yats loved his work for the first 6 months, he suddenly announced he was firing Bilous and his whole department. Corruption, you know. So sad. He couldn’t have been too corrupt, though, or perhaps just corrupt enough, because he was re-appointed to head the State Property Fund. And now Shokin is on his way out with a comet-trail of corruption behind him, just after Yatsenyuk was in the limelight for a shady deal to privatize Odessa Port facilities. I wonder how long it will be before the SBU burst into his office and find him counting a suitcase full of stolen money, while a pair of plane tickets sit prominently on the table beside the suitcase. He was about to blow town, boss! Good thing you had a funny feeling about him.

      In Makukha’s case, the Russian flags and so forth are necessary only to draw a line between criminal behavior and Russians. Of course he was corrupt – he’s a closet Putinist! Crude, but effective if your audience is dozy.

      • Jen says:

        Funny that new appointees are taking their work too seriously, and it doesn’t take them very long to do much before they’re already on Yatsenyuk’s own trail of corruption which must be why they get fired before their probation period is up.

  15. yalensis says:

    On the war front:
    Becoming clearer why Merkel and the others are suddenly saying “Let’s give peace a chance”.
    It was ’cause they tried war, and blew it. (once again).
    Recall how, a week ago, Ukie army had amassed 90K soldiers along the front to attack Donbass, and everybody was predicting that 24 August would be the big day.

    Cassad has this piece in which he discusses how the Ukies did actually attack, but suffered still another stinging military defeat.

    Here is the gist of it:
    On the night of 26-27 August, the Ukrainian army went to battle near Volnovakha. The result was serious losses (for the Ukrainians).
    Soldiers of the 40th Battalion left their positions en masse and simply fled the battlefield near the town of Starognatovka – Belaya Kamenka.
    Not omitting to leave their weapons and technology behind, as per the rules of the genre.
    One of the ATO soldiers tweeted about the loss of an entire artillery unit, the 19th.
    Government censorship immediately kicked in, and tried to squelch all accounts of the lost battles and the fleeing from the battlefield, and so on, but word still got out.

    Cassad goes on to show screenshots of the tweets.

    There are other accounts, besides Cassad, that the Ukrainians attempted to penetrate Seps front lines a couple of days back, and were rebuffed at every point.
    Hence, Merkel is talking peace and the necessity of Minsk.
    File under “Nice try but no cigar, Merkel!”

    • Patient Observer says:

      If it were not for people dying, the ATO would make the Keystone Cops look like Spetsnaz. On the other hand (assuming that the story is accurate) the soldiers who fled en masse are voting with their feet in the finest tradition of true democracy. Can anyone blame them for valuing their lives (and their brother citizens on the other side) more than following orders from a preposterous and illegal leadership in Kiev?

      Not to assign supernatural abilities to the Russian government but perhaps they understood the psychology on the ground and knew it would be just a matter of time before the Ukrainian boots on the ground had enough. Very Sun Tzu.

      So what is Plan B (WARNING – pure speculation)? A major false flag equal to or greater than the shoot down of a civilian airliner such as a “dirty bomb” in Odessa? An assassination of Poroshenko blamed on Russia (killing two birds with one stone)? Would NATO then have the pretext to introduce enough force to keep the pot boiling but not too much to provide an all-out war with Russia?

      Absent a winning strategy, would the goal simply be to maintain a war of attrition against Russia as part of the overall economic and political attack hoping for some black swan hail-Mary miracle?

    • marknesop says:

      I doubt that means “Give Peace a Chance”. It more likely means don’t throw away the army on a murderous frontal assault which it is apparent has little chance of succeeding. Preserve it for another effort, another day. Merkel loves peace only in her own country.

  16. yalensis says:

    On the medical front:
    This piece from KP is the first of a 2-part series on Russian medicine and the fight against cancer.

    In early diagnosis and treatment of various types of cancer, Russia lags behind many advanced countries, and especially Israel. This article interviews Israeli oncologist Vilmos Mermershtein [not sure of the correct spelling of his name in English]. Mermershtein is convinced that the reason for Israeli success in this area, is primarily in early diagnosis and prevention.

    [yalensis: Recall that Russian singer Kobzon has to go to Germany to get properly treated for his prostate cancer. This is obviously an area in which Russian medicine needs to improve.]

  17. yalensis says:

    On the fitness front:

    This video shows Putin and Medvedev working out together in the gym, in Sochi.
    Afterwards they had a breakfast of barbecue, made from specifically Russian (not imported) meat.

  18. Warren says:

    • Rublev says:

      It is quite interesting that the footage only shows them retreating from the simulated enemy and shooting at it from static positions.

      • Pavlo Svolochenko says:

        That’s the kind of war they always expected to fight in Europe – a desperate rear-guard action.

        Only now they’re all rear and no guard.

  19. Cortes says:

    Most Balkan countries get name checked in this piece but not everyone’s favourite organ harvesters. Nasty Serbs blah blah

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/30/balkans-now-centre-of-europes-people-smuggling-web

  20. Moscow Exile says:

    Ушедшая в ополчение участница «Дома-2» позвала Собчак на Донбасс

    Person who participated in “The House-2” and who has gone to join the separatist fighters has called Sobchak out.

    [“House-2” is a TV show hosted by Sobchak. It’s a fly-on-the-wall, who’s-going-to-shag-whom voyeur show that puts young people under one roof and allows voyeurs to observe their antics – ME]

    Natalia Khim, who took part in the TV series “The House-2” on TNT, has moved to the Donbass to fight in the ranks of the militia. Now the former participant of “The House-2” is the Deputy Chairman of the public organization “The Donbass People’s Will”, is at the front and has already come under fire from a Ukrainian sniper.

    According to her 25 August “Vkontakte” social network page, live from a Donbass studio Natalia Khim invited Ksenia Sobchak to the Donbass and is still waiting for a reply from her.

    Natalia Khim: “Ksyusha, my dear! For four months I lived with you under one roof. I know a lot about you. You knew what you were up to when you started this mess. Take a look now at what you and others like you have done. You are welcome to pay us a visit. I’ll ask Zakharchenko to make it so that you are never touched. Just come and see how people live here; go to the front. The lads and the children will appreciate which ones you consider to be bastards. Come on, take a ride down here.”

    Natalia gained the reputation of being a tough nut on “The House-2” and was the first woman on the show who offered a man out to fight.

    • et Al says:

      It’s been unofficial since at least 1990 and the first Gulf War.

      In Greneda, US Marines pointed their M-16s at journalists arriving at the beach independently by boat.

      Panama was when the US military started to get the corporate media fully onboard.

      GW1 was the perfect press pool system. If even one journalist put something out without checking with the military censor first, the whole group and their associate channels would be threatened with losing all access to US military operations and sent home.

      There were already cases of independent journalists being ‘accidentally’ hit or nearly bombed in northern Iraq in 2003.

      Why, coz ‘journalists were the reason that the US lost the Vietnam war…’

    • marknesop says:

      I see: it’s called The Law of War Manual, but it’s “not directive in nature”. All sorts of room for leeway, not intended to inhibit journalists in the legitimate discharge of their duties, bla bla. Uh huh.

  21. et Al says:

    Irish Times: Vast natural-gas field discovered off Egyptian coast
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-resources/vast-natural-gas-field-discovered-off-egyptian-coast-1.2334114

    Italian energy group Eni said on Sunday it had discovered potentially one of the world’s largest natural-gas fields off the Egyptian coast, predicting the find could help meet Egypt’s gas needs for decades to come.

    “According to the well and geophysical data available, the field could hold a potential of 30 trillion cubic feet of lean gas in place,” Eni said in a statement.

    It said the discovery well was located off Egypt’s Mediterranean coastline at a depth of 1,450 metres (4,757ft) with the prospective Zohr field covering an area of about 100sq km (60sqm).

    “Zohr is the largest gas discovery ever made in Egypt and in the Mediterranean sea and could become one of the world’s largest natural-gas finds,” it said, adding that it had full concession rights to the area….
    ####

    Cool! The EU can buy reliable gas from Egypt instead of ‘unreliable’ Russia and build a pipeline to the Ukraine. Problem solved!

  22. ThatJ says:

    Poroshenko: Ukrainian constitution would not include possibility of giving special status to particular cities

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/poroshenko-ukrainian-constitution-would-not-include-possibility-of-giving-special-status-to-particular-cities-396789.html

    ThatJ: Remember, in Porky’s own words Minsk-2 is null and void, so when the UAF is defeated again and more cities are lost to the rebels, there’s recorded proof that the president didn’t adhere to the treaty, so there is no reason for Berlin, Washington and France to condemn the rebels while keeping mum about Porky’s in-your-face renunciation of the treaty. He says that Minsk-2 is the only way forward one day and then says he won’t adopt it on the other day. Watch the video:

    [Source: a post by user “auslander”, from RuDefence.]

    Mr. Putin has made it patently clear that Novorossiya will not lose, will not be defeated, and de facto it’s obvious that US will do the same for 404. We are quietly being advised to get things in order, the next round of sanctions will bite, no doubt, effect on EU and others be damned.

    EU will continue to take it in the skivvies simply because they have no other option and precisely zero backbone to boot. Byelorus will be the next target, them and Gruzya (again). I don’t know what the red line is for Mockba but I know there is one. Whatever happens, the next outbreak of real fighting up north will bring a condition very close to outright war between US and RF although technically the war has started, just not shooting. Yet.

  23. Warren says:

    Published on 28 Aug 2015
    TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=15832

    The “Chinese dragon” of the last two decades may be faltering but it is still hailed by many as an economic miracle. Far from a great advance for Chinese workers, however, it is the direct result of a consolidation of power in the hands of a small clique of powerful families, families that have actively collaborated with Western financial oligarchs.

  24. ThatJ says:

    Scott Walker says building Canada border wall is a ‘legitimate issue’

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/30/scott-walker-canada-border-wall-immigration-terrorists

    ThatJ: I think he’s trying to be “equal” here: if a wall is to be built in the southern border, then for the sake of equality we must also build it in our northern border. This reminds me of pseudo-humanitarian NGOs which complain that the police in southern US tend to racially profile Hispanics when searching for illegals. It’s a waste of resources looking for all ethnic groups with the same rigor, when Hispanics are known to comprise the bulk of illegals. The US added some 54 million Hispanics to its population in the last few decades. There’s an estimate of 20 million illegal aliens + progeny in the US. Canada is more or less equal to the US in its ethnic composition, indeed it’s better than the US, percentage wise. If Canada had a direct border with Mexico, the country would have been overrun long ago.

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  28. Jen says:

    Contender for funniest headline of 2015 (courtesy of Moon of Alabama):
    “China may be trying to hide its submarines in the South China Sea”
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article25186678.html

    Further down in the article:
    ” … “The South China Sea would be a good place to hide Chinese submarines,” said Carl Thayer, a U.S.-born security specialist who has taught at the University of New South Wales and other Australian institutions …”

    I fear for the future performance of the Royal Australian Navy if Thayer represents the cream of US military academia.

    • et Al says:

      …China has a growing fleet of nuclear submarines armed with ballistic missiles. The expansion of its claim on the South China Sea may be intended to create a deep-water sanctuary – known in military parlance as a “bastion” – where its submarine fleet could avoid detection…
      ####

      So the US doesn’t even want China to have control of its own waters, let alone venture out. The United States Geographical Survey has already sent out catamarans to map the South China sea seabed in high resolution that has led to some standoffs. Not only that, the US has been deploying underwater UAV’s to spy on China; one, fitted in to a torpedo was recovered by a Chinese fishing vessel not so long ago.*

      In other news, China is building their version of SOSUS, the underwater network of microphones deployed around the North Atlantic to keep an ear out for Soviet submarines.** You can be sure too that the US is trying to plant remote listening devices well within Chinese territorial waters.

      When the US says this “Isn’t about China”, then you have to wonder about this:

      Asia Times Online: US next-gen bomber capable of staying above China for over an hour, says report
      http://atimes.com/2015/08/us-next-gen-bomber-capable-of-staying-above-china-for-over-an-hour-report/

      ####
      The source is Forbes (!), but it looks exactly like the kind of specifications the US would salivate over.

      So, it’s quite simple. The US is needed in south east Asia to guarantee freedom of movement through the South China sea as China cannot be trusted to do, even though it is more in China’s economic and political interest and in their own back yard. That China seeks to push back the US from dominating the area is painted as a Chinese threat to the rest of south east Asia and a means to sign on more nations to take part in the US’ unofficial containment of China, a deflection of the actual realities and practicalities. The New Silk Road is China’s means to mitigate being strangled by a US strategy that they will copy and paste from what was done to Japan in the 1930s.***

      The funny thing about the above analysis is that neither the author nor the dude in the comments seem to consider the possibility that China would regard any such operation as full on war, however limited the US would claim it to be. China isn’t part of any strategic nuclear arms agreements and are beefing up their capability. The loonies like the author seem to think that ‘limited war’ on the US’ terms is the answer. This makes them dangerous people.

      All in all, If only China would just be the sweatshop of the West and not get so uppity. Just like Russia should be a good, compliant consumer market and adopt western values wholesale. If I were to only watch, read and listen to the Pork Pie News Networks, I would be under the impression that it is all about human rights…

      * http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/what-is-this-mysterious-underwater-robot-that-a-chine-1725865223

      ** http://warisboring.com/articles/china-has-begun-listening-for-american-submarines/

      *** http://warisboring.com/articles/step-by-step-heres-how-to-defeat-china-in-a-war/

      • marknesop says:

        China holds the key to gutting the USA economically. The USA is probably still the bigger economy of the two by a marginal amount, but it is hugely overextended. And a lot of that debt belongs to China.

  29. Cortes says:

    Thayer but for the grace of God goes the UK…

    Oh, wait…

    😫

  30. Fern says:

    The Notoriously Aggressive Treaty Organisation has issued a statement saying it was wrong of some think-tank to equate NATO and Russian military drills:

    ”NATO military exercises are intended to enhance security and stability in Europe. All NATO military activities are proportionate, defensive, and fully in line with our international commitments.

    Today’s report by the European Leadership Network misleadingly puts NATO and Russian exercises on par. In fact, the Russian Ministry of Defence has announced over 4000 exercises for this year, which is over 10 times more than what NATO and Allies have planned in the same timeframe.
    The scale and scope of Russia’s exercises are increasing tensions, rather than helping to de-escalate them. Russia is deliberately avoiding military transparency and predictability.  It has deliberately circumvented the requirements for notification and observation of exercises under the OSCE Vienna Document and has made routine use of the “exception” for large-scale, no-notice “snap” exercises. These exercises are part of a more aggressive Russian military doctrine, dangerous political rhetoric, increased military deployments and the illegal and illegitimate annexation of Crimea.”
      

    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_122048.htm

    The Vienna Document of 2011 stipulates that any state that is a signatory to the Document – which, interestingly, includes Ukraine – should give at least 42 days’ notice of military activities involving more than a certain number of troops, tanks and artillery. There is one exception stated in Clause 41:-

    Notifiable military activities carried out without advance notice to the troops involved are exceptions to the requirement for prior notification to be made 42 days in advance.
    Notification of such activities, above the agreed thresholds, will be given at the time the troops involved commence such activities.

    Russia has upset NATO by holding military exercises at very short notice by calling them snap tests of readiness. Which is probably a bit naughty of them. But would Russia be behaving this way if it did not have an aggressive military alliance determined to place itself bang next to its borders?

    • marknesop says:

      So embarrassing; when Frog-Rasmussen told everyone who was listening just a little more than a year ago, “We suspend our practical cooperation with Russia in all areas“, he forgot to tell NATO! I see – it’s all just a big misunderstanding! You see, Jens, and the rest of your lot, Frog-Rasmussen gave Russia official notice that it did not have to tell you fuck-all about anything, by my reckoning. Bit much to expect that Russia should have to inform NATO of all exercises it expects to hold when NATO has announced there is no longer any cooperation – in any areas – between the two of you, don’t you think?

      Anything else that should be filed under ” I like your approach – now, let’s see your departure”?

      All NATO military activities are proportionate, defensive, and fully in line with our international commitments“. Good thing I wasn’t eating a gobstopper when I read that; I might have choked to death. I thought immediately of the defensive proportionate invasion of Iraq, without a UN resolution and without waiting for the UN inspectors to finish their mission, on a pretext they later airily admitted was completely cooked up.

  31. Fern says:

    Second NATO-related post of the evening. Given how distressed the Notoriously Aggressive Treaty Organisation is about Russia’s alleged violation of the ‘spirit’ of the Vienna Document 2011 on confidence and security-building measures, you’d expect NATO to regard holding to the ‘spirit’ of agreements as sacrosanct. So how do the Notoriously Aggressive ones fare in that regard? Well, they have a document on their website called “NATO and Russia: Setting the Record Straight”. It’s laid out in the format of ‘claims’ made by Russia ‘refuted’ by NATO facts. This is what they have to say about NATO’s eternal expansion:-

    Claim: NATO leaders promised at the time of German reunification that the Alliance would not expand to the East
    Fact: No such promise was ever made, and Russia has never produced any evidence to back up its claim.
    Every formal decision which NATO takes is adopted by consensus and recorded in writing. There is no written record of any such decision having been taken by the Alliance: therefore, no such promise can have been made.
    Moreover, at the time of the alleged promise, the Warsaw Pact still existed. Its members did not agree on its dissolution until 1991. Therefore, it is not plausible to suggest that the idea of their accession to NATO was on the agenda in 1989.
    This was confirmed by former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev himself. This is what Mr Gorbachev said on 15 October 2014 in an interview with Rossiiskaya Gazeta and Russia Beyond The Headlines:
    “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either.”

    What Gorbachev actually said in the interview referred to is somewhat different:

    RBTH: One of the key issues that has arisen in connection with the events in Ukraine is NATO expansion into the East. Do you get the feeling that your Western partners lied to you when they were developing their future plans in Eastern Europe? Why didn’t you insist that the promises made to you – particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East – be legally encoded? I will quote Baker: “NATO will not move one inch further east.”
    M.G.: The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.
    Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled. The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been observed all these years. So don’t portray Gorbachev and the then-Soviet authorities as naïve people who were wrapped around the West’s finger. If there was naïveté, it was later, when the issue arose. Russia at first did not object.

    The decision for the U.S. and its allies to expand NATO into the east was decisively made in 1993. I called this a big mistake from the very beginning. It was definitely a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made to us in 1990. With regards to Germany, they were legally enshrined and are being observed.”

    It seems pretty obvious to me that if Russia objected to NATO military structures being expanded to what was then East Germany, it’s a given that Russia would object to them being moved ever further east. Is it conceivable that Russia would have said, ‘hey, we’re not happy with NATO military structures in East Germany but Georgia’s fine’?

    • marknesop says:

      Yes, I had the same argument at the Kyiv Post not two weeks ago with an individual who quoted the same reference to me – it seems to be the one the west is going to fixate on. And I made much the same response as you have here: whatever statements and assurances could he have been referring to if there was not any of either? None of the eager defenders of NATO ever reads any further than where he says nobody ever brought it up.

      Never mind – the west insists now on besmirching any claim it ever had to honour or to being a trusted partner in any agreement. The west plainly thinks it is dealing with ignorant savages, as it thought of the First Nations people with whom it made treaty after treaty and broke them all, saying the agreement never committed them to anything. Russia indicated it has their number when it took the trouble to set up bonds for Ukraine that would be immune to arguments that they don’t have to be paid back, and indicates daily that the days of handshake agreements between the two principals are at an end. Any agreement in future with the west will need to be spelled out in excruciating legalese, signed and witnessed as to legality and the west will be lucky if it does not require a guarantor as well.

      • Erika says:

        I would argue that Russia has been doing this before the Ukrainian fiasco. Considering the deal it had with France regarding the Mistral. Russia could have played hardball and won

        • marknesop says:

          Yes, you’re probably right. The writing was on the wall before Ukraine that the west would stab Russia in the back given the opportunity. In fact, if I had to pick a moment, it would be the American adoption of the Magnitsky Act because Washington knew very well it would have to retire the Jackson-Vanik amendment when Russia joined the WTO. All WTO members must grant all other WTO members Permanent Normal Trade Relations (PNTR), but the Jackson-Vanik Amendment gave the USA such a useful stick to beat Russia with that it needed something to replace it.

  32. et Al says:

    More semi-deluded rantings from ‘Director’ of the European Council on Foreign Relations:

    EU Observer: EU needs to step up its game in Ukraine
    https://euobserver.com/opinion/130040

    By Fredrik Wesslau

    The situation in Ukraine looks increasingly grim. The war in Donbas has intensified. And Moscow shows no sign of ending its support for its proxy rebels or withdrawing troops and heavy weapons from eastern Ukraine.

    The EU’s relations with Russia and its eastern neighbours are on the agenda when EU foreign ministers and the high representative gather in Luxembourg on 4-5 September for their post-summer Gymnich.

    This discussion comes not a day too soon. The EU needs to urgently step up its game in Ukraine – or risk losing it. Here’s what it needs to do….
    ####

    There’s a glimmer of recognition of a few of the realities on the ground but only by distant association. He’s recently been appointed Director of the ECFR (24th August) , up in his ivory tower directing others to spend huge amounts of money to bail out Kiev as if it was as available as water. Quite heartening really! Check out his twitter feed and laugh at his boyish, young looks and hair! Even Asshole Assland likes him!

    Here’s more on Free dick:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrik_Wesslau

    Fredrik Wesslau is a diplomat specialized in conflict resolution and post-conflict stabilisation. Originally from Sweden, he has worked for the United Nations, European Union, and Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe on the conflicts such as Kosovo, Georgia, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Sudan/South Sudan. He is currently working as a team leader and political adviser to the EU counter-piracy mission, EUCAP Nestor.[1]

    Before that, he was adviser to the EUSR for Sudan and South Sudan, Rosalind Marsden, on the peace negotiations between the two countries following the South’s independence in 2011.[2] He has also worked as Political Adviser to the EUSR for the South Caucasus 2008–2010[3] and as Special Adviser to the UN SRSG for Kosovo, Joachim Rücker, in the run-up to Kosovo’s Declaration of Independence in 2008. Wesslau started his career as a journalist, writing mainly for International Herald Tribune.[4]

    In May 2013, his book – The Political Adviser’s Handbook – was published.[5] The Handbook is a field manual for political advisers and political affairs officers working on conflict resolution and crisis management. It is being used in key international institutions such as UN DPA, UN DPKO, UNDP, NATO, OSCE, EEAS, and CMPD/CPCC, as well as several foreign ministries and universities.[6]

    Wesslau holds two Masters degrees from Sciences Po Paris and the School of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University, and an undergraduate degree in international relations from the London School of Economics.[7]
    ###

    I think he’s part of the campaign to beef up the EU’s ‘anti-propganda’ aimed at Russia.

    New York’s Crimes: Opinion To the Top of Europe

    July 16, 2010

    ““He doesn’t do a lot of sports, does he?” asked Elena, our Russian mountain guide, pointing at me. It was not a very promising start for someone hoping to climb to the peak of Mount Elbrus.

    I had accepted a last-minute invitation to join three other amateurs set on climbing the mountain. The thought of conquering Europe’s highest peak was irresistible, even though the guide wasn’t far off the truth with her question.

    While Elbrus is not considered a technically difficult climb, the elevation and unpredictable weather make it a challenge. At the peak, 5,642 meters up, air contains only about half the oxygen available at sea level. Normal functions such as walking can become extremely laborious.

    After spending a few days acclimatizing ourselves, we settled into our base camp on Elbrus’s southern slope at 3,750 meters. The camp consisted of nine cylindrical huts made from an old Russian pipeline and painted in the colors of the Russian flag. The accommodation and food was basic, though this didn’t seem to bother the mice.

    The view from the base camp made up for the no-frills lodging. The Caucasus Mountains stretched out before us to the south….

    …Fredrik Wesslau is a political adviser to the European Union’s special representative for the South Caucasus.
    ####

    I wonder if he is a fan of supporting jihadism in the Caucasus?

    • marknesop says:

      “The war in Donbas has intensified. And Moscow shows no sign of ending its support for its proxy rebels or withdrawing troops and heavy weapons from eastern Ukraine.”

      The war in Donbas has intensified because and only because the Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) are attacking it. The alternative is to submit. Something entirely ignored by all the western media is that the Donbas has shown no inclination to extend its territory beyond what it initially declared to be its own independent free zone which would not obey Kiev’s dictates. Since then many towns, including Mariupol and Slavyansk, have been wrested from it by military conquest and remain “liberated” only by the presence of the punishment battalions and units of the state military. I imagine Novorossiya would like to have those back, but again; since the beginning of military hostilities the Donbas has not attempted to attack Kiev’s forces so long as they remain on their own land and do not interfere with the Donbas.

      By way of contrast, Kiev’s forces surround the Donbas, shell it without letup directly into civilian-occupied cities, and maintain constant pressure on it. Without support, Ukraine would storm over it and free people would be made to bow their heads in surrender and accept the will of the conqueror. When has the west ever supported that, except when it is doing it itself? Never, provided it is not in the west’s interests that such an initiative succeed. Therefore, the west presses for a Ukrainian victory because such an outcome will advance western goals, and for no other reason at all.

      What follows is an excerpt from Farnaz Fassihi’s “Waiting for an Ordinary Day: The Unraveling of Life in Iraq”; Ms. Fassihi was a reporter in Iraq during the second Gulf War for The Wall Street Journal. She was born in Iran.

      “The Kurds’ land, stretching over mountains and rivers in northern Iraq, was spared from a ground invasion by American troops and a much-dreaded intervention by Turkish forces. Kurdish hatred for Saddam runs deep. An ethnic group of roughly five million, the Kurds were brutally persecuted under Saddam’s regime for seeking independence and autonomy from the central government in Baghdad. One of Saddam’s most notorious, well-documented atrocities was gassing the Kurdish village of Hallabjah in 1988 – instantly murdering five thousand innocent residents, many of them children and elderly. Over seventeen months, Saddam’s helicopters sprayed poison gas across more than two hundred towns and villages across northern Iraq in a ruthless sweep that destroyed livestock, farms and agriculture. As part of Saddam’s cease-fire agreement with coalition forces, a “no-fly zone” was established in the north to protect the Kurds against the regime, and an autonomous Kurdish zone came into existence and flourished.”

      Isn’t that sweet? What’s different here? The eastern Ukrainians are in the role of the Kurds. Their only crime is seeking independence and autonomy from the central government in Kiev. In return for it, the Kiev government proceeded against them with a military operation which shows no regard for property, children, the elderly or anyone who is not a combatant, and government figures have characterized them as “sub-humans and terrorists” for the temerity of firing back when they were shot at, and for winning and humiliating the state military. Not only has the west not established a no-fly zone to protect them from the regime, it refuses to refer to the government as a regime, defends and promotes its legitimacy, argues for supplying it with more weapons so that it may kill its own citizens more efficiently, and would beat the war drums in a second if Russia established a no-fly zone over eastern Ukraine (which lies well within its power to do) to protect civilians and discourage attack on them.

      What’s different? Interests. It was in the western interest for Saddam to be overthrown, and while he probably was a cruel leader, Iraq was infinitely more peaceful and prosperous under his rule than it is now, while the reasons for mounting a massive military operation against him were acknowledged to have been fabricated. In this instance, it is in the western interest that its hand-picked junta prevail and that the easterners be vanquished. Therefore the 180-degree role reversal from supporting the victim to supporting the aggressor causes no discomfort in the west whatsoever, at least not among its leadership. It’s all a matter of perception. And perception-shaping is the job of the press. Their only job, come to think about it.

    • Lyttenburgh says:

      Ugh. This “opinion” piece and the “commentary” that I’ve dissected in my original post looks like two peas in the pod. Same phrases, same ideas, same “suggestions”. Only this time we have person a tier higher than some run off the mill Estonian Russophobe.

      New-speak of this article is fascinating:

      1) Increase support for Ukraine reform. Translation – pour more money into the botomless and corruption ridden pit that is the Ukraine now. Really – Lil’ Rabbit Senya only now earned his first billion! What, you want it to be his last?!

      2) Robust security arrangements. Translation: Send Blue Helmets Now! Don’t ask the people of the “separatists occupied territories” if they want any foreigners here – just do it! ‘Mocracy Firetruck Yeah!

      3) Implementation of Minsk agreement. Transaltion: I doesnt matter that the supposed “constitutional reform” won’t fulfill anythingin granting Donbass any autonomy. Mor important – not to allow any elections in these dastardly occupied “People Republics” to happened. Because elections are not democratic. And the EU is all for democracy!

      4) Ready to extend sanctions. Translation: No matter what you will/won’t do – we are upping sanctions against Moscow.

      5) Keep Crimea on the agenda. Translation: We are pig headed morons.

      6) Keep Crimea on the agenda. I will just provide one quote, and then you can compare it to the one I gave in my original post. See if you can notice some… similarities:

      It is a problem that originates in Moscow and in the decision to use force to annex territory and destabilise a country because it exercised its sovereign right to determine its political orientation. This amounts to a substantial challenge to core principles underpinning the European security order.

      The EU should not expect Russia to change its posture for the foreseeable future. A confrontational relationship with the EU and US suits the Kremlin and fits its narrative about how the West is pushing for regime change in Moscow. It also provides a convenient excuse for the failure to modernise Russia’s economy and be a relevant part of globalisation.

      Considerable staying power will be needed to deal with Russia’s revisionism.

      The best way to do this is to stay true to basic principles, push back when these principles are violated, and, in particular, reject the notion of spheres of influence. It also means that the EU should prioritise its support – both political and material – to the eastern neighbours that are serious about EU integration.

    • Drutten says:

      This stuff has been going on for quite a while. Subcontractors at it again, using illegal aliens with fake documents (thus breaking the law in the first place) and then not paying them either (which said contractors can get away with rather easily as the workers are not inclined to expose themselves), attempting to bribe the authorities to “overlook” things and so on and so forth. There have been heaps of arrests, deportations, legal proceedings against contractors etc already, and more to come:
      http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/08/06/145/
      http://www.fontanka.ru/2015/08/07/071/

    • marknesop says:

      I imagine much of it is spin, as the identical accusations were hurled at all the construction for the Olympics. There probably is some truth in it, but to the extent that prevails on construction sites worldwide. For example, the complaint that fire extinguishers are not provided in their quarters, a clear safety violation, probably stems from it being forbidden for them to cook on hotplates or stoves in their quarters, but they do it anyway and then bitch that Russia did not anticipate the danger. That’s just an example. Perhaps there was an arrangement that they would be paid when the job is finished – I can see how a busybody or two could cause half the crew to quit if they were being paid every two weeks and were up to date, and then the contractors would be caught in an endless cycle of hiring and training new workers.

  33. Warren says:

    Ukraine crisis: Kiev clashes over autonomy deal for east

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34105925

    • PaulR says:

      Ignorant article. It says, ‘Clashes have erupted between protesters and police in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, as MPs gave their initial backing to reforms for greater autonomy in the disputed east of the country. … During a noisy session of Ukraine’s parliament, MPs voted to approve more powers in areas of Donetsk and Luhansk under control of pro-Russian rebels.’ This isn’t what the parliament did. It approved constitutional reforms to decentralize powers generally, not specifically to Donetsk and Lugansk. The only reference to those provinces is that the details of self-government in those parts currently not under government control will be determined by a separate law. This isn’t quite the same thing.

      • Warren says:

      • Fern says:

        What you say is correct, Paul, but I doubt the grenade-throwing mob outside the Rada is objecting to the possibility of decentralising powers to, say, Lviv.

      • Warren says:

        Any form of decentralisation sets a dangerous precedent as far as Ukrainian nationalists are concerned. The fact that new decentralisation law makes a distinction with regards areas not under Kiev’s control inevitably will provoke anger and suspicion from Ukrainian nationalists.

        Why does areas outside of Kiev’s control need a “separate law” is the question many Ukrainian nationalists will ask. This decentralisation law is a de facto recognition to the rebels of Donetsk and Luhansk. A “separate law” will be a de jure recognition of the rebels of Donetsk and Luhansk.

        Ukrainian nationalists subscribe to the Arabian proverb regarding the Camel’s nose.

      • marknesop says:

        That’s correct: as per the zealots at Euromaidan Press (sponsored by Radio Liberty, I was both unsurprised and interested to see);

        “During the presentation of the bill in Verkhovna Rada, President Poroshenko stressed that the proposed draft amendments to the Constitution on decentralization do not envision a special status for certain regions of the Donbas.

        “There is no hint of federalization in the draft bill. The draft bill does not envision and cannot envision the possibility of a special status for the Donbas. The proposed amendment only provides for the possibility of a specific procedure for implementing local self-government in several districts of the Donbas, which is to be regulated by a separate law,” he said, adding that Verkhovna Rada has twice voted to adopt this separate law.”

        However, in the very next paragraph we see what is the probable cause of the fuss – and, unsurprisingly, it would not appeal to Svoboda, who perceive the country is being traded away piecemeal. Who should be at the bottom of it? Of course – Victoria “Noodles” Nuland.

        “However, in the revised draft, which the president submitted to parliament on Thursday, July 16, provisions regulating the special status of several Donbas districts were moved from the Transitional Provisions of the Law on Amendments to the Constitution to the Transitional Provisions of the Constitution, therefore into the body of the Constitution itself. According to the online publication Ukrayinska Pravda, Poroshenko decided to submit these amendments to the Constitution after meeting with Victoria Nuland, the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, on July 15.”

        Although there can be no argument that the Poroshenko government is sovereign – it is plainly a puppet of Washington – Porky is still trying to have his cake and eat it, too. That kind of governance inevitably results in pleasing no one. As it has.

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  34. Moscow Exile says:

    Lying by omission – again:

    Следователи: двух крымских татар в Севастополе убил гражданин Украины

    [Investigators: two Crimean Tatars in Sevastopol killed by a Ukraine citizen]

    Translation of above in Fort Russ:

    Two Crimean Tatars were murdered by a Ukrainian citizen

    Comment by translator:

    This revelation regarding the murder of two young Crimean Tatars by a Ukrainian citizen is more important than what might immediately meet the eye. Although it is known that the murder was a result of drunken aggression, the implications are much deeper. Firstly, Ukraine’s selective reporting of this event (omitting the fact that the murderer was a Ukrainian citizen) demonstrates the extent to which Ukraine is desperate to portray the less-than-ideal situation of Crimean Tatars as a result of Russian “annexation.” The murder of two men occurred nearly 10 days ago, yet the Ukrainian government has not even addressed the fact that one of its citizens is guilty of the brutal murder of two representatives of an historically persecuted national minority. Instead, if anything gets reported, it’s likely that the crime will be propagandized as a “symptom of the state of Crimean society under Russian imperialism,” or, at best, the claim could be made that the Ukrainian state would deal with such an issue IF ONLY the peninsula were still under its “rightful” jurisdiction.

  35. Warren says:

  36. Fern says:

    In today’s ‘no sh*t, Sherlock’ news, Angela Merkel has announced that relations between NATO and Russia remain ‘unsatisfactory’. Ms Merkel’s lament is couched in terms of one abandoned – ‘you don’t phone, you don’t write’ – for wholly inexplicable reasons.

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150831/1026393353.html

  37. Warren says:

    Ex-Army head: PM is to blame for rise of ISIS: Damning accusation by Chief of Staff in explosive new Cameron biography

    General Sir David Richards launches attack on Cameron’s Libya record
    Said PM was too interested in pursuing a ‘Notting Hill liberal agenda’
    Revelations come in an explosive new biography by Sir Anthony Seldon
    Book provides dramatic account of behind-the-scenes rows in Cameron’s Government

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3215566/Ex-Army-head-PM-blame-rise-ISIS-Damning-accusation-Chief-Staff-explosive-new-Cameron-biography.html#ixzz3kOauBnPi
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  39. et Al says:

    Thanks to Jen for reminding me to look up Moon of Alabama again. I usually do once a week or so, but haven’t done so for a few weeks.

    MoA: The Wars In Syria And Iraq Are Also Water Wars – More Will Come
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/08/the-wars-in-syria-and-iraq-are-water-wars-more-will-come.html

    ####
    A very interesting piece feat. Foreign Affairs. Read it at the link!

    Is it beyond Turkey to use water as a weapon? Not with Erdogan and Davutoglu in charge….

    • Jen says:

      I have posted in the comments forum there but as it’s now buried quite deep, I repost my comment:
      “Who constructs these dams that the Erdogan government is using as a weapon against Iraq and Syria? One of these construction companies couldn’t possibly be … a company owned directly or indirectly by Çalık Holding AŞ whose CEO is Erdogan’s son-in-law?”

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